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BTW, I'll admit that I can't figure out lots of lines in this song: youtube.com/watch?v=vVpF6kMOoAQ
Anonymous
00:22
@DamkerngT. Perfume's official fan club is named P.T.A. :-)
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. I can't watch that video in my region.
A-ha!
Aww
What about this one? youtube.com/watch?v=uIaKWGfc_k0
(I got interested in the song because of an interview I stumbled upon: youtube.com/…)
The band revealed that it was difficult to sing an English version of their song.
Hey, she said hair to mean "hair"!
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02:06
Off-topic, but kinda cute!
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Q: Why does the symbol for the multiplication operation change shape?

TheGreatDuckWhy does the "$\times$" used in arithmetic change to a "$\cdot$" as we progress through education? The symbol seems to only be ambiguous because of the variable $x$; however, we wouldn't have chosen the variable $x$ unless we were already removing $\times$ as the symbol for multiplication. So why...

Hi, @Don! Welcome to the room!
 
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08:54
@DamkerngT. Pitiful thing
It's obviously because, since you grow, you get bigger and things get smaller in comparison.
09:12
> - "Let me present my mechanic shaver. Just put your head in this hole, and it will shave your face."
- "But each person has unique face features!"
- "Well, in the beginning, yes".
10:12
I'm shamelessly advertising LO @Dam.
@JBL BTW, we have chatrooms you can clear your trivial doubts in. — TIPS 25 secs ago
10:29
0
Q: This sentence needs a look

Ardis Ell "O God ! Show some mercy and bring the rain." My question is, is this sentence correct? Also could we replace "rain" with "downpour", or are there any other suggestions?

is "bring the rain" okay?
@CowperKettle It's not okay, but it's not unokay either.
10:42
"bring rain"
"bring a rain"
@CowperKettle This is the best option.
Doesn't make the others wrong though.
@CowperKettle This works, but perhaps not what the OP's looking for.
They're praying, and in praying, you don't say enough to just one rain. :P
11:03
0
Q: Is "differs from sth to sth by sth" grammatical?

RORI The population differs from British to Americans by a change in the bottleneck. Can I use the verb "differ" this way? Can I say "X differs from A to B by C"? I want to say that Americans and British are different in the effective size by a change in the bottleneck.

Could someone tag with me and go help this OP?
@TIPS Tag! You're it!
@StoneyB (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Hullo Master Stoney
Yo, TIPS!
I started to answer that and then realized I had no idea what he was trying to say.
I still have problems grasping his sentence, yeah
Maybe they mean some kinda a population chart?
The shape of the chart might represent a bottleneck @Stoney, and they prolly mean the median age in America is different from the UK.
Are British and Americans populations suffering a "sharp decline"?
Or perhaps OP is referring to contrasting bottlenecks among British and American populations of some other species.
11:15
Africans, it seems.
Well, it is true that Europe in general is much older than Africa.
I dunno about America.
Germany's population is pretty. Old.
No the population size is different — RORI 16 secs ago
Another word I can't find a place for is "ancestry".
 
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12:29
I gave up on that question.
The OP's saying "I wanna say how B C D E F G H."
"Let me explain. I just wanted to say that B C D, E F G H."
"Let me explain once more. I wanted to say that B C D, E F, G H."
I can't still understand what they're trying to say.
12:40
@TIPS I suspect that the problem is only half inadequate English, and the other half is inadequate thinking--and you're too smart in both for this to make sense!
@StoneyB I think the main problem is using weapons they haven't mastered. I'm not sure they know what bottleneck means, actually.
Hullo @Mithlesh! Welcome to LO!
Anonymous
12:56
Good morning!
@snailplane Good morning! Belated congratulations on becoming a grand-snail!
Anonymous
Thank you! :-)
New user's info:
> By day: Drink Vodka, play Dotka. By night: Drink Vodka, play CSGO. After that: Sleep then start another day and repeat.
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Q: Which vs of which?

mmo2112Here is a sentence from the Examination: The science medicine, *which* progress has been rapid lately, is perhaps the most important of all sciences.. As I know, which clause can still + Object, so it's very nearly with of which. In that sentence (find an error), the answer: Which is wrong but no...

I'm about to visit a Big-Ass University Library-- any recommendations for something Completely Different (ie, non-TFG) on English linguistics? Something that will make me think about how English works in a different way?
When you said "ZFC doesn't come first", you could have also said "ZFC doesn't come first", and historically much of the mathematical foundations were put in place well after the many of the results they supported were generally accepted — Henry 31 mins ago
I read this comment 10 times trying to understand what's the difference between two quotes.
13:10
I'm trying to understand the meaning of
> This product is certified Kosher for Passover and Pareve
This product is: 1. certified as kosher for passover 2. certified as pareve
That's my guess
@CowperKettle That's my reading, too.
Oy vey ist mir! A tough article question:
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Q: "... is called Minkowski space" or "is called the Minkowski space" and WHY?

SergueiI met both constructions in quite respectable texts. Is it a matter of taste, or of a shade of meaning?

 
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14:42
Does anyone think the sentence in the question ungrammatical like there all answer said?
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Q: Using 'better' as an adverb before a gerund

ElleinvaI recently used the following headline in a document: Better Managing Your Health Means Better Managing Your Life My boss wrote back that "better managing" is not grammatically correct. She's wrong, isn't she? As I see it, Better = adverb, Managing = gerund (gerunds can be modified by adverbs ...

> Better managing your health means better managing your life.
Is this sentence really incorrect?
I am asking because I like the OP think better there is an adverb and it is modifying the verb - manage.
Anonymous
@Man_From_India It doesn't seem ungrammatical to me.
15:03
@snailplane ahh thanks for confirming my views.
Hi all
Hi @GforOevOerD
I don't know whether I should write gerund or infinitive after these verbs. I would appreciate anyone who could help me. "I suggested to go/going out for dinner and to see / seeing a movie.
This answer (of mine) may be helpful:
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A: I look forward to hearing from you or looking forward to hear from you?

Damkerng T.This is a very common mistake! So, don't worry. Here is the cure. Ask yourself which one makes more sense: "look forward to it" or "look forward to do it"? Chances are you know that "look forward to it" sounds more natural, because you've seen or you've heard others use it that way before. And,...

Anonymous
I like it better with -ing.
15:12
Good morning, @snailplane!
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A: "... is called Minkowski space" or "is called the Minkowski space" and WHY?

eijenI think this is a question of whether we consider (the) Minkowski space to be a strong proper name. According to Language Log here, here, and here (referring to The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language, pp. 517ff), there's a distinction in English between weak proper names and strong proper...

I guess Batman and Zod are weak proper nouns. :P
Anonymous
The Bat-Man? Surely not!
The Bat-Man?!
I thought only Man-Bat's got the hyphenation! :P
Anonymous
It used to be different.
Anonymous
I think.
Anonymous
15:16
Good morning :-)
BTW, I stumbled upon this passage yesterday:
> His foe had gone the way of Krypton, but Superman wasn’t sure he would ever forgive Zod for making the hero the instrument of his death. Anguish tore at Superman’s heart; he had always sought to save lives, not take them. Killing Zod took a terrible toll on him.
Huh?
Wait, where has the Zod gone?!
Please note that the quote above isn't verbatim. There was a slight typo in the original referring to Zod as "The Zod". I've corrected it. — Valorum 20 hours ago
Hah!
Anonymous
Ahh :-)
Hmm... I was thinking it's interesting that one moment they write ... ever forgive the Zod and then the next they write Killing Zod ...
Anonymous
I used to know someone whose name began Zhi. The next syllable sounds a lot like a Western name, so he picked that as his name to go by over here. But as a nickname, we added "the" (Zhi!)
Hah!
^The difference between just living and just being alive! :P
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A: Fear to speak in English

RouxOh, same there. I felt absolutely miserable about my accent and improvised speech during English lessons. A thing that have helped me to overcome the hesitation to some degree: I started coordinating guild raids in a MMORPG through a voice chat. Apparently, during the game you stop worrying abou...

Hey, I remember I've heard that technique from you before, @snailplane!
> ♫〜 Masho, masho man. I've got to be, a mushroom man! 〜♫
♫〜 Masho, masho man. I've got to be a mushroom! 〜♫
Humming that melody while having mushroom. :D
@TIPS Yay!
Zdorovo, @CowperKettle!
15:42
Zdorovenki buli, @DamkerngT.!
(It's in Ukrainian)
Since we've been aquiainted for a long time, I can also say "Zdorov buv!"
Which would imply "thou" as object, not "you".
Oh, okay!
Zdorovenki has the plural ending i, which implies the plural object pronoun "you"
I guess you could shorten sawasdee khrap down to just waddee as well. :-)
15:44
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buv rhymes with the fist syllable of "buffet", right?
I guess it rhymes with "move"
Ah, I just noticed that StoneyB was in the room. (He just left.)
@CowperKettle I see. Thanks!
Or should I say, a true yellow and blue Ukrainian.
That sounds like Boov (the name of an alien race) in this animation! youtube.com/…
15:49
@DamkerngT. Yes, like boov, but only with a short "u"
Got it!
Oh, the deluge of CGI cartoons.
@snailplane: Is it correct by the point of grammar?
@GforOevOerD Because we say "I'd like to suggest something", we would say "I'd like to suggest doing something" (rather than "I'd like to suggest to do something").
16:05
> "The brain waves we recorded reflect synchronized firing of large networks of neurons," said Prat. "We found that the larger the networks were in 'beta' frequencies [brain frequencies associated with language and memory], the faster our participants learned French."
@CowperKettle To put it another way: "We need beta frequencies to learn French," the researcher said.
nods
Just a single study, it's hard to tell.
There must be follow-ups to delve deeper
> Nearly 50 years of research have shown that various qEEG indices
extracted from eyes-closed resting-state EEG data are stable and
highly accurate predictors of performance on a variety of cognitive
tests (e.g., Doppelmayr, Klimesch, Stadler, Poellhuber, & Heine,
2002; Giannitrapani, 1969). More recently, research comparing
qEEG indices in monozygotic and dizygotic twins has shown that
qEEG profiles are highly heritable, and also correlate with indices
of brain structure such as grey and white matter volumes (Smit,
@CowperKettle I wanted to post a snarky remark on your posting too much poem, until I realized this isn't poem.
16:20
@TIPS Science stuff can sound poetic too!
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A: Fear to speak in English

Tomek BuszewskiI can understand your concerns, as I am also still trying to learn English. What I mainly do, is talk. Just talk to people, make mistakes, listen to their critique, get better ;-) I think the most important thing here it not to be afraid of getting corrected by someone. I also found that talk...

This answer is very spot on @Mithlesh. Do real talk, and don't fear anything.
Making mistakes is nature.
@Gfor welcome to LO!
> Consistent with previous research in the field of intelligence (Thatcher, North, & Biver, 2005), we also found that more lateralized distributions of alpha power was correlated with faster language learning. These results are also consistent with previous individual differences research showing that more lateral patterns of brain activation are correlated with increased linguistic skill in first language (L1) comprehenders (Prat et al., 2011).
> "This is vital brain function research that could enable the military to develop a more effective selection process of those who can learn languages quickly,"
I hear GATTACA!
> "There's more that goes into learning a new language than speed," said Prat. "You also have to factor in motivation, study habits and practice methods."
Speed? Is speed the bottom line?
I can't say much about language learning (or anything for that matter), but in my younger days, I saw many people who learned to play a new sport very fast, and then got stuck.
In Aesop's world, it's the Tortoise and the Hare!
(But in today's world, maybe speed is everything.)
(A slogan by a local mobile provider over here: Faster is better.)
(which struck me as odd, especially because in a way, one virtue around here is slower is better. :P)
18:06
4
Q: Pronunciation difference between "I walk to" and "I walked to"?

baudo2048In order to understand what I listen, I'm trying to catch differences between "I walk to" and "I walked to" but I can't catch any difference. How can I distinguish that sounds?

That makes me wonder how many verbs that end with the /k/ sound we have in English.
LOL
Try having Google Translate pronounce this for you: I asked Tim to do it.
It's funny!
Anonymous
Ack, pack, duck, luck, suck, muck, hack, shuck, strike, bike, hike, like, psych, trike, mic, peek, leak, bilk, milk, sulk, hulk, …
Anonymous
I typed up some off the top of my head.
That's quite a lot! Thanks!
Most of them would have -ed past forms.
Anonymous
18:21
Some strong verbs have preterites with final /k/, like strikestruck
Anonymous
shrink → shrunk
It's a bit strange for me because I think I've heard someone pronouncing asked with a schwa between /k/ and /t/ before (though it's not often), but I can't find any example right now!
Anonymous
I think that would be odd.
nods -- Maybe I just misheard it.
Hmm... I think he says, I've never losing my faith!
18:54
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Q: The "To Come" Infinitive

Jeremy MenicucciI'm in discussion with a friend of mine and we can't seem to come to an agreement. We're specifically discussing a passage in the King James Bible in Revelation 1:4, John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to ...

Hah! I didn't know that there was the word Asia in the Bible!
19:05
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A: Fear to speak in English

RouxOh, same there. I felt absolutely miserable about my accent and improvised speech during English lessons. A thing that have helped me to overcome the hesitation to some degree: I started coordinating guild raids in a MMORPG through a voice chat. Apparently, during the game you stop worrying abou...

Hmm... that answer's gotten 12 votes, but it's not that different from others!
Superstar effect?
> Cowen (2000) cites Rosen (1981) to argue that "the superstars effect is welfare-improving (consumers get better performances) even if it leads to raising income inequality," and adds that the "superstar phenomenon should not be overstressed. Indeed, fame is a positive-sum game, not a negative nor a zero-sum one."
I agree with the inequality part.
19:49
@DamkerngT. I only upvoted the next answer.
Actually, ELL is starting to look like Math.SE.
@TIPS Yay! (Don't know which one is "next", though.)
Broad, unclear, and crappy questions making it to HNQ.
@DamkerngT. Sorting by votes.
BTW how is you?
I wonder if the superstars effect is really welfare-improving.
@TIPS Me is well. :P
Considering the leading brands in IT, I'm really not sure if it is really welfare-improving.
19:52
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A: Is it wrong to downvote a question because the member is new, and does not understand how to ask their question?

TIPSIt's a popular misconception that downvotes are for punishing people. That's not correct. A downvote's only purpose is indicating post quality. You're rating the post, not the person. Thus, the user's participation has no relevance. However, since it's a new user, teaching finds more value. Wha...

@DamkerngT. What is this effect?
Trying to imitate superstars?
@TIPS BTW, shame, shame on those who downvote other people's answers as retaliation.
Superstar is a term used to refer to a celebrity who has great popular appeal and is widely known, prominent or successful in some field. Celebrities referred to as "superstars" may include individuals who work as actors, actresses, musicians, athletes, and other media-based professions. == Origin of term == Rajesh Khanna is referred as the first superstar of Indian Cinema. The origin of the term in the context of celebrity is uncertain, but a similar expression is attested in The Cricketers of My Time, a famous cricket book by John Nyren about the Hambledon Club. Writing in 1832, Nyre...
@DamkerngT. I know what superstar is, but what is "the superstar effect"?
Search for superstars effect on that page.
(I'm not sure about the name. I thought it should've been 'the superstar effect', but some sources use 'the superstars effect' for the same thing.)
Basically, it's illogical to assume that an actor worth 3 billion dollars can act a million times better than another actor who's worth 3 thousand dollars.
Well, I might sound extreme on this, but IMO any person in the world that has so much money they can't count have in some way been stealing the money from the poor, with or without knowing it.
nods
It's like we favor the world where the winners take all and the rest is left with nothing -- really nothing.
And we can even count the number of winners!
20:02
So I don't really care if Messi donated this much to that place or Gill Bates did this to them.
They still have money they don't deserve.
Well, I think it's better to be non-specific.
I'm not specific.
nods -- I understand your point anyway.
Well, as a not-jealous person, I don't think a lot of money makes me happy, really.
We use money as the medium (of exchanges), so it's more or less important, still.
But, yeah, I don't think just lots of money will make anyone happy. Comfortable, maybe.
20:05
Is a man whose world gets summarized to his family and the axe he uses to cut trees for wood not happier than someone with billions of dollars who can't even sleep because of the stock market?
Lumberjacks are happy!
@DamkerngT. For real?
@TIPS Yes, if they are in the same age group, the same social status, and they're close.
@DamkerngT. Ohlanore! Then I guess I can never use it.
@TIPS Well, maybe if you find a younger Thai and you've become close enough.
I don't know why, but status awareness is probably embedded in the Thai language.
I mean, native speakers don't even think about it, but they're sure aware of it.
I guess this is where learning to speak Thai like a native speaker is difficult, even though I think learning Thai is relatively easy.
20:24
@DamkerngT. You have easy grammar
Then to make up, you must have hard vocab.
We have multiple strata.
@DamkerngT. St-what?
Oh, plural of startum.
Dunno why that didn't occur to me.
Or layers, if you'd like.
20:38
Tell me more
Well, basically we have layers for rude, plain, polite, religious, and royal Thai.
A word is usually associated with a layer, though many are associated with a couple layers.
Sounds bureaucratic.
I like it.
LOL
The typical Thai in language schools would be at around the plain or polite layer.
Noted down
Must avoid language schools
So, lemme see. I guess the word for, say, "snail" in Thai is plain, right?
Are these layers for all parts of speech? If so, even for prepositions and articles?
E.g., a word for "foot" can be ตีน (rude), เท้า (plain), บาท or บาทา (polite -- a bit too polite, imo), or พระบาท in higher registers.
20:43
Aha. The longer it is, the more polite it will be.
@TIPS Hmm... I can think of หอย at the moment. I know there are more words for it, but I can't recall one right now.
@TIPS Nice observation.
Lemme guess. "lump" -> "foot" -> "very nice foot", "heavenly foot" -> "foot of the Gods"
@TIPS Thai has no articles. Some prepositions can be used in all registers, some are only for some registers or layers.
@TIPS Haha!
K, I gotta catch some zees. \o

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