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CowperKettle

03:21

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Q: Looking for a common term for "non-circular pipe"

In Russia, there's a special term for a pipe that is not circular in its section: "a profiled pipe" (профильная труба). There's even a Wikipedia page for it: профильная труба. Such pipes come in a wide variety of sizes and usually have an oval, square or rectangular section ("profile" in Russian)...

terminology

I wonder if I should also post this on ELL

Good morning all!

Yay! I cross posted it and got the first downvote

It does seem like it's about a real challenge faced by an English language learner. Yes, it's a fairly specific question, but we want specific questions here on ELL. — snail plane 45 secs ago

Yay!

It's a non-circular question!

> They think that he is trying to make Russia a strong country and guide (the?) Russians in right way.

Should there be "the" there? I think not.

Anonymous

03:42

@CowperKettle You could put the there. I'm more concerned about in right way, which is an ungrammatical phrase.

Anonymous

I do like that the, though.

CowperKettle

"in right way" is surely wrong

"guide the Russians the right way" or "rule the Russians the right way"

This is from a lang-8 text

lang-8.com/1444105/journals/…

> Barack Obama during the annual direct line with the Americans predicted the collapse of the ruble.

I would fix it as

> During an annual "Direct Line" call-in show..

or should it be the?

and probably a collapse of the ruble

no, probably the

CowperKettle

05:05

> "The authors demonstrate this by training a reservoir network to perform a novel problem solving task. They then compared the activity of neurons in the model with activity of neurons in the prefrontal cortex of a research primate that was trained to perform the same task. Remarkably, there were striking similarities in the activation of neurons in both the reservoir model and the primate."

sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160610173512.htm

CowperKettle

07:44

> A man who worked for six years as a Chinese teacher in one of Minsk's universities has been arrested for teaching a language he made up himself instead of Chinese.

Good morning, @V.V.!

V.V.

08:04

Morning!

Jester Tran

Excuse me, what language is this: youtube.com/watch?v=mboOyehHTGg

V.V.

Don't know for sure, but another site says "Mandarin "

Something like "top Mandarin songs"

Jester Tran

@V.V. Thanks! I listen to some mandarin to see if I can recognise any patterns

V.V.

Good luck!

CowperKettle

> Душа порой бывает так задета,
что можно только выть или орать;
я плюнул бы в ранимого эстета,
но зеркало придется вытирать.

LOL

I just love Guberman, never read this particular verse

CowperKettle

09:02

"I love poplar fluff. Despite the red and watery eyes, despite the stuffy nose and in spite of the fluff's proverbial ability to get everywhere. I love it not for the way it burns when you put a matchstick to it, not for the way it readily rolls into little balls in your hands, but for the reminiscence. The white flakes feathering behind your window look so much like snowflakes, and they envelop the lawns and the sidewalks in white smoke. Suddenly it's like winter all other again. Nature itself helps you last out the hot days, until the first wave of revivingly fresh air comes along.

all over again, probably

It is okay to use "you, yours" or is it better to say "one's"?

V.V.

Sure.

CowperKettle

It's my translation of a VK post by a friend

V.V.

One's sounds like a dictionary phrase

CowperKettle

Yes, I like "yours" better

V.V.

09:20

I didn't know It's "fluff "

CowperKettle

Neither did I!

I had to look it up

Damkerng T.

09:47

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A: past simple only or present perfect would be possible as well?

As I am too lazy to give long answers, lets be to the point:-) Present perfect can be used for talking about past events started and completed in past provided that you don't mention the exact time like: yesterday, two minutes ago, last year, when I was a child, etc. So you can say: I have boug...

> When a past time frame (a point of time in the past, or period of time which ended in the past) is specified for the event, explicitly or implicitly, the simple past is used rather than the present perfect.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Present_perfect

Hmm... that's perhaps why I avoid using Wikipedia pages when things go deep.

That sentence is okay, but I think some examples on the Wikipedia page can be misleading.

The way the sentence puts it, out of its own paragraph, sounds like we can't use the simple past for anything that "a past time frame" is not specified.

@AlanCarmack Would you provide authentic evidence that we are allowed to use past simple even when we are not refering to an exact time in past whether implicitly or explicitly? And I didn't say they are ungrammatical. Acording to context I added explenation on each of them and my idea. If my answer is realy misleading convince me to delete it. — Sina 2 hours ago

@Sina You also use it, too, right, intuitively. "And I didn't say they are ungrammatical." You didn't say "And I haven't said they are ungrammatical."

@CowperKettle Good afternoon!

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. Hi, Dam! Sawatdee Khrap!

Or what is the proper phrase for "afternoon"?

Damkerng T.

Sawasdee khrap!

CowperKettle

I bet there are droves of Russians around in Bangkok

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle We have those phrases for morning, afternoon, etc., but they're not commonly used.

@CowperKettle I think so!

Sina

Hi

Damkerng T.

10:02

Hi!

Sina

@DamkerngT. I was refering to the time I answered the question and I recieved the comment.

Damkerng T.

Right. You didn't specify an exact time for it, though.

Sina

The time is implicitly convayed between me and he/she.

Damkerng T.

Are you sure that it's implicitly conveyed, or conveyed successfully?

Sina

@DamkerngT. implicitly.

Damkerng T.

10:07

@Sina I didn't mean that. See, I wasn't able to convey my thought successfully either. Let me rephrase.

Sina

He/she commented they are not ungrammatical. As if I meant it in my answer.

Damkerng T.

Are you sure that it was implicitly conveyed, and/or that it was conveyed implicitly successfully?

Sina

II think so.

Damkerng T.

@Sina As a reader, I think you implied that.

Sina

I think so.

Damkerng T.

10:08

> So you can say:
I have bought a new cell phone.
But not
I bought a new cell phone. (As you are generally speaking about an event in past)

What does not in "But not" mean?

Sina

No.

Damkerng T.

So, you mean no, as in "do not use it", by your "But not", right?

Sina

He means ops question.

Damkerng T.

That, too. It's all related. Have another look at his comment:

I bought a new cell phone is fine, and the present perfect would not be ungrammatical in any of the OP's examples. — AlanCarmack 14 hours ago

Sina

@DamkerngT. Did you read my answer?

Damkerng T.

10:13

I tried to read it a couple times. I was surprised when I read your name, that you were the one who wrote it.

Sina

Why?

Damkerng T.

It still doesn't sound quite right, even when I try to read it as if it was written by a BrE speaker.

@Sina I'm not sure how you got such an idea, but you seem to have had that kind of idea before you found that Wikipedia page.

28 mins ago, by Damkerng T.

> When a past time frame (a point of time in the past, or period of time which ended in the past) is specified for the event, explicitly or implicitly, the simple past is used rather than the present perfect.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Present_perfect

Sina

Yes, you r right.

So?

Damkerng T.

So I kinda wonder from what or from whom you got that idea.

Sina

Grammar books I have studied

Damkerng T.

10:18

(which may sound like that sentence in Wikipedia, but it actually does not)

What books, if I may ask? -- Just name one that you think can explain this point the best for you.

Sina

And also in Touchstone books, and Passages IIRC.

Damkerng T.

Touchstone? looking for it on the web ...

Sina

It's the book I teach

Not a grammar book.

Damkerng T.

It makes me wonder how exactly the book explains this point.

Touchstone is a publisher, right?

Sina

You mean there is not such a thing in English?

No Cambridge is the publisher.

Damkerng T.

10:21

(I found Passages by Cambridge, but nothing in the book is about Touchstone.)

Sina

Touchstone is the name of a book.

Damkerng T.

@Sina I wouldn't say that there is no such thing, but I'm thinking that maybe the thing they explain and the thing you understand by reading the book are not the same.

Okay, so these are two series by Cambridge, I suppose. Passages and Touchstone.

At what level does the Touchstone series (or the Passages series) explain this point (using the simple past with a specified time)?

With some luck, I may be able to find the page on Google Books.

yesterday, by Sina

@snailplane I wanted to write "The"gh" was pronounced. .. "but I used present perfect. Which one is right?

I didn't think anything much when you mentioned that. But now after reading your answer, I think maybe you've got the wrong idea about the present perfect.

Sina

Which part?

I cannot find what I understand wrong?

Damkerng T.

It's hard to pinpoint which part when it's not much, and when it's probably all over.

Sina

To talk about past events when we don't specify the exact time we should use present perfect. This is wrong you believe?

Damkerng T.

10:33

@Sina Is that an exact quote from your book? "To talk about past events when we don't specify the exact time we should use present perfect."

Sina

I don't exactly remember the words.

Damkerng T.

That's okay. (That the words aren't exact.) For someone who wrote that, they can get away with it because of the should.

Also, I would assume that they explain it in a certain context, like a specific chapter or section for a specific point or something.

On its own, I'd say it's a bit misleading.

Sina

I teach all 4 books. So I don't remember in which one. But I guess in the 3rd or 4th

Damkerng T.

Passages or Touchstone?

Sina

Sorry. Touch

Damkerng T.

10:40

Thanks! Let's see if I have any luck!

Ah, Touchstone is like dialogues upon dialogues!

Grammar points are inserted between those dialogues. This makes it hard to hunt down the entry!

(Touchstone Level 3 Full Contact, page 14)

I guess it's not this page that gave you the idea, right?

(I posted it here because it seems relevant!)

Sina

@DamkerngT. sorry that is.

Damkerng T.

(page 101)

I don't like this kind of explanation because to the learner it looks like the book is saying "You have to use the present perfect with already, still, and yet". And that is not true.

Sina

@DamkerngT. the previous one is mentioning it. Did I get it wrong?

Damkerng T.

@Sina Oh! But the book didn't say what you think!

> Use the present perfect for indefinite times before now.
Use the simple past for specific events or times in the past.

That's all the book says.

(Which is potentially harmful already, IMHO.)

Sina

10:55

This is another one I could find.

Damkerng T.

Which sentence supports the idea that we can't (or shouldn't) use I bought a new cell phone.

Note to self: This is precisely why teaching a second language is hard. Everything a book states or a teacher says can be read or understood differently by the learner.

Sina

In touch book. There is a comparision between past and present perfect. There isn't?

Damkerng T.

@Sina I found page 14 (in Level 3). I don't know if there's any other points on other pages.

(Hey, @snailplane, I just used 'there's' with a plural subject myself!)

Sina

Use present perfect for indefinite times befote now. Use simple past for specific time or event in past.

Damkerng T.

BTW, neither of the two downvotes was mine.

Sina

11:02

Oh! I don't care about it at all.

I don't want to be mileading

Honestly

Damkerng T.

@Sina Yes. Hmm... Do you think it's the same as "To talk about past events when we don't specify the exact time we should use present perfect"?

@Sina Got it! -- It was just in case. (^_^)"

12 mins ago, by Damkerng T.

> Use the present perfect for indefinite times before now.
Use the simple past for specific events or times in the past.

There are three points that a learner can misunderstand the sentence, by my count. The most important one is probably "What's 'indefinite'?!"

Sina

Doesnt it mean that

Damkerng T.

IMHO, it's a bad way to explain this point, considering that it's only Level 3.

Sina

But doesn't the auther mean it?

Damkerng T.

(Why else a lot of learners can't use definite/indefinite articles correctly?!)

@Sina Yes, they seem to mean that, but what exactly do they mean?

Sina

11:07

I thought specific.

Damkerng T.

My quick tip: Every time you find "Use" or "We use" in a grammar book, read it as "You can use" or "We can use".

Sina

When you mention the time

Damkerng T.

^That's for everyone.

Sina

And we can ignore it?

Damkerng T.

A learner usually reads this kind of explanation in the reverse.

(This is not my best counter example, but anyway.) TEXT: "Use the present perfect for indefinite times before now." UNDERSTOOD: "If we have an indefinite time, we must use the present perfect."

They're sort of lookalikes, but they're not the same.

Sina

11:10

So we can use both tenses to refer to whether definite or indefinite time or event in past.

?

No difference?

We can chose ourselves?

With none to be better?

Damkerng T.

@Sina a) What do you mean by "definite or indefinite time or event in past"? (Note that this is a very fine point.); b) Depending on how you think of a) you could say that we can use either tense with either a definite or an indefinite time.

When point a) is not well-established, it's dangerous to reach to point b).

Sina

What about the wiki?

Damkerng T.

@Sina Same.

The fact that they say something about "explicitly or implicitly" complicates the issue even further.

In other words, IMO, this kind of text can't really help the learner (i.e., "someone who does not know"), but it's fine for someone who already knows what it is.

Sina

Explicitly means you mention like yesterday. Implicitly means it's known out of context.

Damkerng T.

What's wrong with I bought a new cell phone, then?

(I'd say "implicitly" should mean it's known or implied in the context, rather than "out of context".)

Sina

11:17

Sorry but I am still not convinced completely but I delete my mileading answer:) Thanks 4 the time you spent and your help.

Damkerng T.

No problem. I know we all need time to digest new information.

Note that I bought a new cell phone doesn't disagree with any of your grammar references, BTW.

Sina

11:33

@DamkerngT. 2. Is there a specific time mentioned?

The Simple Past is used when the time is CLEAR:
They met on Sunday.
My birthday was last week.
John started his business after he graduated.
(We know exactly when.)

The Present Perfect is used when the time is NOT SPECIFIC:
They have met already.
I have celebrated my 20th birthday.
John has started his business.
(We don't know exactly when.)

The same comparision

There is something about it.

Damkerng T.

@Sina But you agree that it's fine if it's implicit.

(I don't think of it that way, anyway.)

Sina

There should be a difference

Otherwise they may pointed that in the second case both are oke to be used.

Damkerng T.

@Sina That's even a stronger version of text that could be even more misleading when it's misunderstood. (It can be more misleading because it looks even more reputable.)

Sina

Do you disagree?

Damkerng T.

@Sina That's why this kind of explanation is bad, and why I suggest learners to read is in this kind of explanation as can be.

Or at least read is as is normally or is generally.

And try not to deduce anything from it.

Sina

11:37

I was referesioning my knowledge about present perfect and simple past. Here really-learn-english.com/simple-past-or-present-perfect.html

Damkerng T.

> Now let's examine a few tips that will help you determine which of the two tenses you should use.
1. Did it just happen or is it older information?
2. Is there a specific time mentioned?
...

Let's ignore the rest of it, because this is enough for me to demonstrate my point.

Under 1, they write "The Simple Past is used when giving OLDER information:" and "The Present Perfect is often used when giving RECENT news:" Under 2, they write "The Simple Past is used when the time is CLEAR:" and "The Present Perfect is used when the time is NOT SPECIFIC:"

Can we think of a condition that a condition in 1 is in conflict with a condition in 2?

If we can, then all this can be misleading.

Why? Because they write is.

(They're not wrong, BTW.)

Sina

We have different usages 4 present perfect. And you r listing them. Thank u anyway. Sorry 4 the bother. I should continue reading different sources to make sure I am wrong. This way I stop believing that.

Damkerng T.

nods

I made this for you is a good example to demonstrate the conflict between their point 1 and point 2.

It follows their point 1, but not point 2.

(And they have more points, even!)

(Which is why I think writing a good grammar book is very hard, though writing a grammar book is probably not that hard.)

> Sir Walter Elliot, of Kellynch Hall, in Somersetshire, was a man who, for his own amusement, never took up any book but the Baronetage; there he found occupation for an idle hour, and consolation in a distressed one; there his faculties were roused into admiration and respect, by contemplating the limited remnant of the earliest patents; there any unwelcome sensations, arising from domestic affairs changed naturally into pity and contempt as he turned over the almost endless creations of the last century; and there, if every other leaf were powerless, he could read his own history with an…

In none of these clauses, the time is CLEAR; nor is the time exactly SPECIFIC.

> "Quit Kellynch Hall." The hint was immediately taken up by Mr Shepherd, whose interest was involved in the reality of Sir Walter's retrenching, and who was perfectly persuaded that nothing would be done without a change of abode. "Since the idea had been started in the very quarter which ought to dictate, he had no scruple," he said, "in confessing his judgement to be entirely on that side. It did not appear to him that Sir Walter could materially alter his style of living in a house which had such a character of hospitality and ancient dignity to support. In any other place Sir Walter mi…

Damkerng T.

12:16

@Araucaria and Rathony, to be perfectly clear, I added the phrase "complement of 'mean'" in response to Araucaria's original comment. I always intended it and thought it was implied by my comparisons with the other verbs, but I have now made it explicit. — Silenus 26 mins ago

I think it could be funny to answer "What do you mean that it's wrong?" with "I mean that it's wrong that I think it's wrong." :-)

The syntactical point could be more obvious with just "I mean that it's wrong it's wrong."

Færd

The world of music would have been a better place if people didn't rush into releasing albums and giving concerts and expecting people to sit through their half-baked voices.
(Something like that goes for the world of education too, but I'd rather be vague about it for now)

Damkerng T.

@Færd But people do scream and shout in these concerts, too!

(Hopefully in a good way! :-)

Araucaria

12:35

@DamkerngT. @Færd Zackerly so.

Færd

@DamkerngT. Correspondingly, people learn something from half-baked lessons, but that doesn't justify everything.

Damkerng T.

Good afternoon!

Araucaria

@Færd Just left a note for you over on the dark side. I've put a bounty on that question, in case either you or @DamkerngT. or anyone else want to have a go :)

@DamkerngT. 'Ternoon!

Damkerng T.

@Færd True, that!

Færd

@Araucaria Okay! Thanks!

@Araucaria It's funny you should call EL&U the dark side. Is it because of its design and color? (an optimistic question!)

Araucaria

12:39

@Færd It's because people are less friendly to new users over there (and the grammar's not as good as it is over here)

@Færd But it's improved a bit over the last six months or so ...

Færd

I see! Or it's just because it's an older SE site.

@Araucaria There's a theory that all SE sites get crankier as the get older. :)

Damkerng T.

It was a good word hunting site, IMHO.

Don't know if it still is.

Færd

I see that you stay in the light and don't cross the boarder!

meaning you're not as active there as here.

Damkerng T.

@Færd I enjoyed my stay for a few months, IIRC. :-)

I still visit the site every once in a while.

Anonymous

EL&U was always cranky, I think.

Færd

12:55

Maybe it's the age of the users that matter. I have a feeling that the average age of the active users on EL&U is higher.

(Not to be taken serious. The cause is something else probably.)

Anonymous

I don't know. I'm cranky, but I'm trying not to be. :-)

Damkerng T.

@snailplane I think you're far from cranky!

Man_From_India

Good evening @DamkerngT and @snailplane

Damkerng T.

Good evening!

Man_From_India

Snail is too young to be cranky :-)

Araucaria

13:12

@snailplane Don't fancy writing a bounty answer for What do you mean that it's wrong over there do you?

@snailplane I think that there might be a dialect difference there. But I'm not really bothered about the that. I'd love to know what you think it's wrong is doing in what do you mean it's wrong?

Damkerng T.

I think this is okay, "I think it's wrong." "What do you mean, it's wrong?"

This is probably not as good, "I think it's wrong." "What do you mean that it's wrong?"

(But I think it can happen in real speech.)

Man_From_India

I really found that sentence confusing.

@DamkerngT. if it's like this, then I think that sentence is fine.

@Araucaria what does that sentence mean?

"by" in place of "that" could make it clearer I think.

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India nods

> "I'm Megan. I'm from Regina, Saskatchewan. I'm really psych to join the long and proud legacy of Viking among nigh."
"Hey, did you say v*rgina."
"Yes it's in Saskatchewan."
"Don't wax your v*rgina. - Okay Gooch."

> Barely Lethal (2015)

Wow, that's ... mean.

Araucaria

@Man_From_India Well, the speakers saying something like "I don't get why you're saying it's wrong". There seems to be something like a citation with the "it's wrong" bit - bit it can't be a citation at all. Why? ... because ...

Damkerng T.

If that can happen among native speakers (but from different dialects), I don't want to think much what can happen to non-native speakers.

Man_From_India

13:28

Yes I went through the question. Let's read the answers.

Damkerng T.

@Araucaria (Sorry about the interruption! Please continue.)

Araucaria

@Man_From_India ... If I say "I haven't finished the report" my boss will say something like What do you mean you haven't finished it?. He absolutely won't - and cannot say - "What do you mean I haven't finished it?" That would mean that he hadn't finished it. Notice that the NP the report has also been replaced by a pronoun it. It is not cited, although the information is repeated.

@DamkerngT. No probs. Have finished. Does that make sense?

Damkerng T.

@Araucaria nods -- Makes sense indeed.

Anonymous

That's actually a really good point. I think the question is trickier than I thought at first.

Man_From_India

@Araucaria yes it does.

Araucaria

13:40

@snailplane Yes, it's a little gnarlier than it looks at first ..

:)

I have no ideas though ...

Any interesting questions over here?

Damkerng T.

> YVONNE-ERVIN, -MOTH# Yes, please send someone to my house. My children are trying to kill me. 911 OPERATOR: OK, what do you mean that your children are trying to kill you? ERVIN# They've attacked me and my husband.

I wonder how the officer said that sentence.

Araucaria

@DamkerngT. There's all kinds of possibilities there, aren't there. Very difficult to tell what they're actually saying without any intonation ...

Damkerng T.

nods

Araucaria

nods

Damkerng T.

It's quite shocking, in any case.

Araucaria

13:49

@DamkerngT. Very shocking ...

Oh, got to go teach in a sec ...

Damkerng T.

See you soon!

Araucaria

(which is good, I like it)

See you! o/

Ciao all!

Sina

@DamkerngT. Thank you. You helped me a lot. I can never properly thank your time and effort for helping me:-)

Damkerng T.

It was my pleasure!

I'm glad that StoneyB found your question and chose to write an answer. :D

Sina

14:05

@DamkerngT. I am profoundly grateful to him!!!!

:D

Damkerng T.

:D

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Q: I wonder if this expression is good

We promise your level up We intended to use this expression to draw a particular crowd as an ads of an institute(or a cram school called "hakwon"). I'm asking this of you for a school assignment with my group in collage. Sure, there's a lot of items for this. The problem is I think it's a w...

sentence-construction expressions

Hmm... We promise your level up ...

Somewhat inept, probably.

But it's not wrong-wrong; even dangling modifiers aren't wrong, they're just stunningly inept.

TIPS

@DamkerngT. Haha who says life isn't an MMORPG?

Damkerng T.

@TIPS Hehe!

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Q: Do you say “2 Byte” or “2 Bytes”?

Do you say "2 Byte" or "2 Bytes"? Which one is correct? If both is possible, when to use what? The same question would come to my mind for my own language: German. So, there has to be a technical answer. I originally posted this question here: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/ But I was to...

word-choice adjectives singular-vs-plural numbers

Hah! I didn't think that it would be this hot!

But more importantly, ...

0

Q: Am I expected to delete my correct answer that was downvoted for not being the one selected?

I have a question about my English Language Learners Stack Exchange post: Do you say “2 Byte” or “2 Bytes”? Am I expected to delete my correct answer that was downvoted for not being the one selected by the OP?

support specific-question

I think we have some sort of guideline for that somewhere on our site.

CowperKettle

Evening, Muhammad!

TIPS

14:20

@CowperKettle \o

@DamkerngT. I AM THE GUIDELINE

Damkerng T.

@TIPS LOL

Man_From_India

14:52

Interestingly in COCA or in NOW corpus there is no such usage mentioned. Nor in OED. Neither in Longman, but there the closest one is like this -

> What do you mean, you've cancelled the trip?

> What do you mean by that?

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India This sentence was from COCA: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/30323384#30323384

Man_From_India

Ah now that is the problem I faced while searching. I searched for all nouns instead of you.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@CowperKettle That sounds amusing, is there a link to an article with more details?

Damkerng T.

Hello, @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇! Welcome to the room!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Someone in ELU chat called this room "the light side" and it made me wonder if I've been hanging around in the "dark side" or something.

Damkerng T.

15:02

Probably the "heavy side". :D

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I dunno about that. The chat here seems way more on topic and heavier than what we're used to :p

Damkerng T.

LOL

Nihilist_Frost

Guess what my mother spelled when I said "dwarves".

She wrote "dwafts"

Damkerng T.

Interesting!

CowperKettle

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It's a Russian joke

Nihilist_Frost

15:07

@DamkerngT. I can attribute it to her running into an irregular plural + struggles with /ɑɹ/

Damkerng T.

@Nihilist_Frost The missing /r/ is probably okay, considering that many English dialects are non-rhotic. The "fts" for "ves" is probably more problematic, but I can share that feeling, knowing that hearing the voiced /z/ is hard for people from around the place where I live.

TIPS

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Not when I'm chatting.

Damkerng T.

@Nihilist_Frost nods

TIPS

What's this stench of on-topicness? Let's wreck havoc

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@CowperKettle aw. No wonder my google search turned up nothing

TIPS

15:09

@CowperKettle What jokes do Russians have about Iranians?

What about chemicals?

Nihilist_Frost

@DamkerngT. I think she's trying to do "dwarfs"

Damkerng T.

@Nihilist_Frost nods

Man_From_India

Yes I'm convinced that such expressions are there. But they prevail in speech. Though there are also some written instances. @DamkerngT.

Nihilist_Frost

the T is probably from the transition to S

Man_From_India

(talking about *what do you mean that ...)

Damkerng T.

15:13

@Man_From_India Oh, in written examples, too? That's very exciting!

Nihilist_Frost

And then I hear my parents say "Somali(e)" to refer to Somalia

Man_From_India

Yes

Date: **1992 (Jul)**
Publication information: **Vol. 25, Iss. 4; pg. 58, 8 pgs**
Title: **Is There Love After Baby?**
Source - MAG: **Psychology Today **

> What does it mean that some couples are choosing to remain " child-free " because they fear that a child might threaten their well-established careers or disturb the intimacy of their marriage?

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India Thanks!

@Nihilist_Frost "Somali(e)" as in something sounds like "so-ma-lee"?

Nihilist_Frost

@DamkerngT. I'm referring to /somali/

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Man_From_India I'm not an expert, but I'm not sure this mean that is the same as the one in that problematic question

Damkerng T.

15:16

@Nihilist_Frost I see. Thanks for the clarification!

Nihilist_Frost

More of my parental non-native pronunciation:

Man_From_India

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Similar.

Nihilist_Frost

/latɛ̃/ for Latin

Araucaria

@Man_From_India That one you've got there is an extraposition :)

Man_From_India

Ahhh right

Damkerng T.

15:20

@Nihilist_Frost They must be very good at French!

Nihilist_Frost

wɔɹm for worm and waːm for warm

@DamkerngT. Nope!

Damkerng T.

Oh!

Man_From_India

@Araucaria Yes now I see the difference. Thanks.

Nihilist_Frost

couldn't get her to "vendredi" even after a thousand tries.

Araucaria

It means "What does [that some couples are choosing to remain " child-free " because they fear that a child might threaten their well-established careers or disturb the intimacy of their marriage] mean?" The verb mean means something like signify for everyone in that sentence ...

Man_From_India

15:21

right

Araucaria

@Man_From_India Welcome ... (I know you knew what I meant by extraposition, btw)

;)

Man_From_India

@Araucaria Your explanation was helpful, btw :-)

Araucaria

That's good to know :)

CowperKettle

@TIPS I never heard a Russian joke about Iranians

Student

Ouch @CowperKettle :D

@DamkerngT. How have you been? :D

Nihilist_Frost

15:24

I also sometimes make a laugh out of my dad saying Dairy Queen as /daɪɹi/ Queen

Damkerng T.

@Student Quite okay, thanks! How are you?

@Nihilist_Frost Hehe! I misread it when it was still new over here. too!

Student

me been a bit busy :) how is yours @DamkerngT.?

Damkerng T.

"What? Diary Queen? Strange." :P

@Student Quite a bit, actually.

Student

I am popping in and scrolling up :) trying to handle all texts lol @DamkerngT.

Nihilist_Frost

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Q: How to use 'There being"?

How to use the phrase 'There being' ? I've tried to use it in the following sentences: There being an exam tomorrow, I'm unable to go to market. There being a mysterious murder of the king, the kingdom is in a deep silence. There being a dispute over a topic of environment, the count...

usage

Damkerng T.

15:27

@Student :D

Nihilist_Frost

All those sentences sound bizarre.

Damkerng T.

Sound like something used to be more popular, for me.

Nihilist_Frost

"There being an exam tomorrow, I'm unable to go to market." would be, for me, "I can't go to the market tomorrow because there's an exam."

Damkerng T.

nods -- It sounds even odder probably because of exam and market.

Man_From_India

These are confusing. Because from context it's hard to guess.

**Date:** 2002
**Publication information:** New York : Pocket Books,
**Title:** The summerhouse /
**Author:** Deveraux, Jude.
**Source:** FIC: The summerhouse

Nihilist_Frost

15:31

"There being a mysterious murder of the king, the kingdom is in a deep silence." would be "The kingdom is in a deep silence since the mysterious assassination of the king." or something similar.

Man_From_India

> her teeth seemed to be a sign that she was about to start on an adventure. In front of her were three whole days that were hers and no one else's. Freedom. She hadn't been on a trip by herself since she'd gone to New York nineteen years ago. What was it going to be like to not have people asking, " Where's my tie? " " Where's my other shoe? "

> " Hon, could you call down and order me something to eat? " " Mom! What do you mean that you didn't bring my red shorts? How can I have any fun without those shorts. " For a moment Leslie closed her eyes and thought of three days of freedom; then a laugh escaped her. Startled, she opened her eyes to see the driver looking at her in the mirror, and he was smiling. " Glad to get away? " he asked. They were the only people in the van. " You can't imagine, " Leslie said with feeling. "

May be some previous lines were helpful.

Man_From_India

15:55

Interestingly there is no corresponding non-interrogative form I found of what do you mean that [clause]?

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India I think it'd sound very, very odd!

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. true.

CowperKettle

16:26

I wonder why it took so long for the police to arrive to the Pulse club. A whole two hours before it was stormed.

2016 Orlando nightclub shooting

On June 12, 2016, a mass shooting occurred at Pulse, a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, United States. At least 50 people were killed, including the gunman, and 53 others wounded, inside the nightclub. The assailant was identified as Omar Mir Seddique Mateen, a 29-year-old United States citizen of Afghan descent. The attack is the deadliest mass shooting in United States history, the deadliest incident of violence against LGBT people in U.S. history, and the deadliest terrorist attack on U.S. soil since the September 11 attacks of 2001. The attack was labeled by the Orlando chief of police and...

I don't understand the meaning here:

> Neurosurgeon Andrew Schwartz said: “We wanted to be able to use this easily without working hard, enjoying eating and bring that aspect of everyday life back to her.”

euronews.com/2012/12/20/…

> Due to the nature of the situation, officers said that they had to wait for three hours in order to have a full assessment of the incident, wait for armored vehicles, and ensure they had enough personnel.

Too bad..

@DamkerngT. - I see there's rain in Bangkok. I hope you're okay.

Damkerng T.

17:11

@CowperKettle It hasn't rained yet, but probably soon!

@CowperKettle It was another sad day indeed.

TIPS

17:47

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