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+1, in other words, a cupboard is a cabinet for kitchen-related use — nohat ♦ Nov 22 '10 at 23:29
Phew! There goes one of my worries.
 
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06:04
But "a bedside cabinet ".
Morning!
Good morning!
A translation question:
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Q: Phrase for a vocational college diploma

CowperKettleA vocational college diploma in Russia contains a sheet where some particular features of your education course are listed: date of enrollment, date of completion, what exams you took to enroll, etc. One line reads as "Production-work (professional) practice: ______" and looks like this: In...

06:22
It will be closed, I think.
There must be some official-looking phrase in English to the same effect
Sure.
Maybe someone will fire a comment or two over the transom, before the question is closed as proofreading. (0:
or "someone fires"?
Try to google "curriculum of vocational education ", something of the kind.
I cross-posted the question on lang-8 to be sure
07:16
Someone might fire, because you aren't sure.
I tried to read a bit, the system is different.
08:02
Yay! An answer from a person in San Diego (Insane Diego):
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A: Phrase for a vocational college diploma

RingoJust so you know, "industrial placement" is a British term -- I don't think it's used at all in the United States. I had to look it up, because I never heard it before. Americans use "corporate internship" or "paid internship" to signify paid work done during or after college. "In agreement with...

 
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A: Reported Speech

Damkerng T.Use "I'll tell my friends that I have started learning computers." (In other words, no need to change the tense because the reporting verb is for the future time.) Reported speech is also known as indirect speech, or as stated in Wikipedia, Indirect speech, also known as reported speech or...

Hmm... that's very long.
I hate it when it's long.
But I'm a bit lazy.
10:29
@snailplane Reminds me of the infringement cases (or the claims) in the music industry lately, too.
Thanks for sharing!
10:48
Okay, I get it. If I want to learn English grammar, I have to learn Latin first. :P
(Stumbled upon that via this note on a Wikipedia page: "Short Introduction to English Grammar, p. 107, condemning Richard Bentley's "corrections" of some of Milton's constructions. Ibid., pp. 127–128. Notes & Queries (OUP) in 1983 Vol. 30, Page 55-58 by Sailendra Kumar Sen, Robert Lowth :the first imagery critic of Shakespeare." -- Sina mentioned Robert Lowth yesterday.)
It's actually on page 108, BTW.
Also, that colon in the title Robert Lowth :the first imagery critic of Shakespeare is a bit strange. Maybe it's a typo, but it could as well be the original spelling. I haven't checked.
11:18
@DamkerngT., @snailplane, @TIPS, @CowperKettle, @StoneyB, @Færd Folkses, they finally got a good grammar question over on EL&U and promtly closed it. Any chance of some help reopening it? (or answering it? I have no idea what the answer is ...)
@Araucaria But what question is that?
OOoops. Sorry, @DamkerngT., @snailplane, @TIPS, @CowperKettle, @StoneyB, @Færd. Here's the question ...
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Q: What do you mean that it's wrong?

Eddie What do you mean that it's wrong? In the above sentence, is the 'that clause' an adverbial clause? or a complement? What is the syntactic function of the string (that) it's wrong.

Ah, I'd already upvoted that one.
@DamkerngT. It now needs a loving reopen vote too! :)
I have not enough rep points to do that. I upvoted your comment instead. ;-)
(Maybe I should try to answer questions on EL&U, too.)
11:36
@DamkerngT. Yes, you should!
:)
@Araucaria I upvoted the question, but I can't vote to reopen stuff.
Don't be mean with your talents. Share them around!
I guess if you edit the question and flesh it out a bit, it'll more possibly be reopened.
(Or it'll more likely to be reopened, or something like that)
@Færd You only need a few hundred rep more!
Seems a long way to go.
11:41
@Færd It'll get reopened alright. No worries. It's just a question of how long it takes and whether we lose the OP forever.
@Færd Will go in a flash! :-)
I'm lazier than you think, but thanks!
@Araucaria Try @Cerberus too. I guess s/he's quite sensitive about these matters.
12:11
Hi!
Hi!
Yes
I love to know its answer.
I mean the question you linked.
The answer to the closed question on EL&U?
Yes!
Me too.
12:21
I up voted. Do you think they reopen it?
41 mins ago, by Araucaria
@Færd It'll get reopened alright. No worries. It's just a question of how long it takes and whether we lose the OP forever.
So we should waite and see!
This is an old scenario. Happened quite a few times before.
I feel lazy when it comes to answering some questions.
Good for you! I feel too lazy to answer most questions!
12:26
@Færd Maybe, there is a genetics reason then:D
Could be!
I mean a genetic feature which as compatriots we share it:D
Got it. Was just joking though. Sometimes I feel like answering stuff, sometimes I don't.
@Færd I mainly don't like. Commenting is better.
It can be short.
No need to explain everything.
Some people find that fit for themselves. But it won't be as accessible to others as a good answer would be.
12:31
Of course no!
Answers are more easily searchable too.
Right!
BTW, can we delete our chatt here?
I mean generally.
I have no such option on my phone version.
I wish I had!
Generally no.
Oh! Right.
You can delete them immediately after posting them though, up to a couple minutes.
12:35
but not after a while past.
I don't remember exactly how much.
Got it. Thank you.
@Sina Right.
I don't have some options on my mobile version. Like edit options while answering a question or posting one. Or uploading a picture here. Is it the same on your phone? If you r using the phone version.
Oh! And one more. I don't have access to Ngram too.
Do you use the Stack Exchange app or use a browser?
I don't use the app. The browser version is quite handy and has all the features you mentioned.
12:42
Browser. Google didn't let me have the app.
Oh. So what's wrong with my browser.
Which browser do you use?
I use Chrome.
I'll be back in a minute.
I tried Chrome. Then I am using on my phone.
Both r the same.
This is what SE looks like on my phone, using Chrome.
This is an answer of mine on EL&U. You can see the edit option just above my avatar.
But I can't seem to find the upload button on mobile chat too.
@Færd oh not that. I mean when you r answering. Like link, boleface...
So SE's problem I guess.
Sorry I 've gotta go. My students r waiting. See you.
12:58
@Sina You can type in bold or italics using stars: two stars at each side of a word makes it boldface, and one star at each side makes it italic.
See you.
@Sina See this link for more info. You can use (some of?) the facilities on your phone too, when asking, answering, or chatting.
13:47
@Færd I left a message for them on EL&U chat ...
14:17
Evening!
This is my first time being in this chat using a phone :p
14:40
Good evening.
 
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@johnchae Yay!
16:30
Dam, we passed 70 from70 with flying colors!
@V.V. Congratulations
16:55
\o
@V.V. \o/
I'm getting a feeling noone missed me here. Cries in the corner
@TIPS Glad to see you here again!
@CowperKettle It takes more than a bunch of exams to kill me.
17:23
@Færd @DamkerngT., @Sina It got reopened a couple of hours ago. In case anyone wants to answer it!
@TIPS patting TIPS' back ...
@Araucaria Yay! (I guess I'm gonna pass this one. :)
@DamkerngT. Who's patting TIPS?
I thought just TIPS is back.
@TIPS Got any ideas about the grammar?
@Araucaria Me knowing grammar is like a shark knowing how to fly.
Or a fly sharking knowing. :P
When Knowing Flying Sharking -- coming soon to the theater near you
17:30
@DamkerngT. DOUBLE GERUNDS DETECTED -- PARSING ERROR 0XABUNCHOFNUMBERS
@DamkerngT. We don't have a theater near us. (┛◉Д◉)┛彡┻━┻
@TIPS Oh, sorry that was a misfire. It was meant for @DamkerngT.!
@TIPS That's ... that's ... that's ... went speechless
@Araucaria Oh!
@Araucaria I understand. You wanted to ping TIPSkerngT and I showed up in the autocomplete first.
yesterday, by Damkerng T.
If it was in my novel, I'd probably write it, What do you mean--that it's wrong?
I linked to the wrong comment : /
@DamkerngT. That's two sentences really though, imo
17:34
@Araucaria Don't think it hasn't happened to any of the chatters in this world.
Or any world.
@Araucaria nods -- Or a sentence embedded in another sentence.
I think your version's kind of "What do you mean? [Do you mean] that its wrong?"
@TIPS Hi!! Long time no 30.
OK that's a weird mix of txtspk and romanization.
@Araucaria Hmm... but I didn't mean that, obviously.
17:36
No
@TIPS What's up over there?
@Sina Roof, and lights
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Q: Proposal: tags for professional/specialty jargons

CodeswitcherFrom time to time we get a question that hinges on what is a term-of-art for some profession or craft. For instance, right now we have this fine question concerning an odd turn of phrase in medical research. StackExchange's tag system has an interesting property which might help us support this...

@TIPS seems perfect:D
@Færd Thank u a milion. Sorry I suddenly disappeared!!!
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Q: Excavator and Marshal badges are being awarded over and over

nicaelThe excavator has been awarded to... many users just some time ago. What a... bug? Certainly it is, too many unavailable posts :D Seems to affect Marshal and Excavator. Also looks like it's everywhere. SO's got a similar problem a couple of minutes before. Moreover, I can has THREE X mar...

I was awarded 5 Marshal badges on two sites. WHY DO THEY FIX THINGS?! D:
Misfire--I like the word.
17:44
@TIPS :D
@Araucaria Did u read the answer for the reopened question:((((
@Sina What question is in question?
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Q: What do you mean that it's wrong?

Eddie What do you mean that it's wrong? In the above sentence, is the that-clause an adverbial clause? Or a complement? What is the syntactic function of the string "(that) it's wrong"? Here are more real examples from COCA (with and without the that): OK, what do you mean that your children ...

@Sina Huh, I never had the audacity to answer stuff like that with so much speculation.
I only answer when I'm 90% sure about something.
It saves me a lot of downvotes, but also stops me from getting lotsa rep.
BTW you fasting?
@TIPS Yes! And truly and honestly enjoy it. I love Ramadan.
18:00
Well, last year I was a loony and I went biking and went to gym and stuff and challenging thirst itself in its purest form. I'm not that crazy this year and I honestly don't understand the fluff over fasting being hard because I don't feel a thing.
@TIPS I don't feel any difficulty too. I do my job too.
I feel God really helps.
Uh, @Dam, bizarre sentence of the day that needs analysis please.
Araucaria's is a good one.
@DamkerngT. Hmm, transliterating this sentence into Persian gives us a pretty easy sentence to analyze.
In Persian, a subordinate clause can be thought as playing a part of speech of the main clause.
In this case, an object @Dam.
Interesting but pretty useless in English. :/
18:16
@TIPS Oh, God accept your fasting and prayers. My mind was busy with the question. Forgot to say that!
@Sina Thanks, and yours too.
@TIPS You may find some of them on our main page. :P
@TIPS Thank you:)
@DamkerngT. Them? Parts of speech?
Looking for parts of speech
Some interesting sentences, I mean.
18:18
Looking for interesting sentences on OMP
18:37
I just realized it's been some time since I was the only person from middle East in this chat.
Feels overwhelmed
@TIPS Want us leave here! Then u may feel better?
If so, I would be the 1st:)
No, Uranium may not feel better
Meh news. It seems I still rule the review queues.
@TIPS Happy 4 u then!:)
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Q: Was Rorschach's Pagliacci joke a real joke?

GGMGIn Watchmen, Rorschach is reminded by The Comedian of a joke he heard once: “Heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says, "Treatment is sim...

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@TIPS Nasim Channel! R u whatching? I love these actors!
@Sina Nope, I'm studying
To a person like me, TV is close to banned.
I have a list of 20 or so 2016 movies I need to watch, and there's no time
@TIPS Oh! Sorry 2 interrupt.
Do not worry. They can wait 4 you!
I sure hope so
BTW, because of exams? Or work u don't have time.
I do my best not let u consentrate!; )
@Sina Konkur!
19:02
Oh! Do your best. I keep my fingers crossed for you! And I am sure you'll succeed as far as I knew you here!
@Sina \o/
\○/
19:28
Am busting my head and everything around o find the differences between prime, primary, and premier.
Maybe it's too late at night for thinking.
They're different!
I can't explain why for some reason.
You don't say!
@Færd I say!
I hear ya.
But I better go sleep now. yawns
@Færd Pretty sure this rude kitty is shouting, not yawning
19:55
@TIPS Look at its eyes. And tongue. And posture. ... How could you say that it's not yawning?!
Anyway... back to sleep.
20:07
@Færd Hi ! I wont let you sleep. I agree with Rathony. The actual sentence has been "what do you mean by saying that it's wrong?" And shortened to "What do you mean that it's wrong?" In this case our clause is acting as the object of our missing verb "saying". This is the only logical conclusion I could come to.
Honestly, yawning or not I wont like to face this lovely leopard or his/her beautiful awesome relatives;)
@TIPS still studying?
 
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Anonymous
21:31
I thought that EL&U question was fairly straightforward.
22:07
It's not quite straightforward to me. I mean, it seems grammatical in spoken English, but I don't know how to explain its syntax as something grammatical in written English.
(And I don't like the idea of explaining it as ellipsis much, though it probably works.)
BTW, good evening!
Anonymous
Oh, that's easy. It's not grammatical.
Anonymous
It's a syntactic blend of two grammatical constructions.
Anonymous
A syntactic blend isn't ungrammatical by definition, but I do reject this one.
Anonymous
Well, I would consider it non-standard, at any rate.
Anonymous
I'd put a little superscript exclamation point before it.
Anonymous
22:19
Since I don't consider it grammatical in standard English.
Anonymous
Now, if we could find speakers who robustly use that construction and, if asked about it afterwards, would consider it something they normally say rather than a speech error, then we could say it's definitely grammatical for some speakers, though I think I'd still consider it non-standard without evidence that it's grammatical for a large number of speakers.
Anonymous
But I do think it must be a syntactic blend, so I don't know that it needs analysis beyond that of the two source constructions.
22:33
@snailplane Hah!
Let's see. Would you think this question is ungrammatical as well? -- "He's tall." "What do you mean, tall?"
Anonymous
23:22
@DamkerngT. Hmm? No, that seems perfectly fine.
Anonymous
Tall there is echoed back to the first speaker. You can put imaginary quotation marks around it, if you like.
Anonymous
What do you mean, "tall"?
I guessed the speakers who said "What do you mean, that it's true?" would think of these questions as the same construction.
Anonymous
Well, it can't be unless the first speaker said that.
Anonymous
23:27
You mean that it's true? is grammatical, and so is What do you mean, "It's true"?
Hi!
Anonymous
But to get that in the second one, you'd need to blend the two.
Anonymous
Hello! :-)
Do you think "mean"'s definition is: to want or intend to express (a particular idea or meaning) here?
23:29
@snailplane Hmm... I think you're right!
So that clause is the adverbial clause of intention
Anonymous
Now, when people say blend in linguistics, they usually mean a word formation process, making a word from parts of two or more other words: smoke + fog = smog
Anonymous
So to distinguish this sort of blend, we say syntactic blend, to indicate that it's two syntactic constructions being blended rather than two morphemes or lexemes.
@snailplane like native+ speaker= nativer
Anonymous
@Sina Sure! That would also be a neologism.
23:32
It's mine,
Out of lazyness:D
Anonymous
It's relatively common online to see people talk about natives, but I personally wouldn't recommend that.
@snailplane you know we have adverbial clause of purpose, right?
Anonymous
I always use the whole phrase native speaker :-)
Anonymous
@Sina Sure, in traditional grammar.
@snailplane I mainly don't use it every where.
@snailplane so what about this clause after "mean"?
Anonymous
23:36
Hmm, I guess I can type my explanation again.
@snailplane I didn't see it.
Anonymous
Looks like I don't have to. Colin Fine's comments say the same thing.
Anonymous
> ① Speaker A: It's wrong.
> ​  Speaker B: What do you mean, "It's wrong?"
> ② Speaker A: It's wrong.
> ​  Speaker B: You mean that it's wrong?
> ③ Speaker A: It's wrong.
> ​  Speaker B: What do you mean that it's wrong? ← syntactic blend of ①+②
Anonymous
I would not accept Speaker B's response in ③ as being grammatical in Standard English.
Anonymous
At any rate, it certainly doesn't sound acceptable to me.
Anonymous
23:44
@DamkerngT. One time I mentioned in ELL chat that there was an annual summer festival where I grew up. Apparently, due to budget concerns, they stopped holding that festival some years back :-(
Anonymous
That makes me a little sad!
Anonymous
Of course, I don't live there anymore, so I wouldn't be able to attend anyway.
@snailplane Oh, no!
@snailplane So, you think it's a blend of 2 sentences.
23:59
> He endeavours to get the generall love and good will of his parish.
> --The Holy State (1818)

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