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Damkerng T.

13:17

Bangkok Symphony Orchestra-เขมรไทรโยค

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I could cry hearing this song.

(The song has its own Wikipedia page: th.wikipedia.org/wiki/…)

เขมรไทรโยค ระนาดเอก

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Same song, a different instrument.

CowperKettle

13:36

Narisara Nuwattiwong

Prince Narisara Nuwattiwong (Thai: นริศรานุวัดติวงศ์; rtgs: Naritsaranuwattiwong; 28 April 1863 – 10 March 1947), Prince Naris for short, né Chitcharoen (จิตรเจริญ), was a member of the royal family of Siam (now Thailand), minister, general and scholar. He was known for his artistic talents, and was a key figure in Thailand's industrial revolution during the reign of Rama V. == Early life == Prince Narisara Nuwattiwong was born on 28 April 1863 in Bangkok, Thailand. He was the son of Pannarai and King Rama IV (also known as King Mongkut). Prince Nuwattiwong was educated by Western missionaries...

Nice music!

Damkerng T.

Glad you like it!

Playing Thai songs with Western instruments is always a challenge because Thai's musical scale is very different from the standard one.

CowperKettle

> To indicate the possession of inanimate objects, give preference to "of" phrase not the apostrophe form.
e.g : "the roof of the house" is far much better than "the house's roof," which allots the house with human qualities. Inanimate objects cannot possess anything. Consequently, we say (and write) "the handle of the door" not "the door's handle". In the above examples the prepositional "of" phrase explains the connection between two inanimate objects.

multitran.ru/c/m.exe?a=4&MessNum=334054&l1=1&l2=2

A strange piece of advice.

Damkerng T.

It has some truths in it, I suppose.

CowperKettle

Yes? I should remember this then.

Damkerng T.

"the roof of the house" is far much better than "the house's roof" -- I agree with this.

But!

I think the trend is to simply use "the house roof" instead.

CowperKettle

13:46

nods

Damkerng T.

เฉลยปัญหาแฟนหนัง โหมโรง ๒

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Two musical scales together!

(Dad said, "Wait. Enough.", and then "Play it again.")

CowperKettle

14:04

Nice!

It reminded me of "dueling banjos"

Dueling Banjos (HD)

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Damkerng T.

Nice! The kid somehow looks familiar.

Hey, was that Charles Bronson?!

Usernew

@CowperKettle that's a great movie :O

@DamkerngT. nope

Damkerng T.

Oh, I see! It was Burt Reynolds!

CowperKettle

@Usernew You watched it? (Or should it be "Did you watch it"?)

or "Have you seen it?" O_o

Usernew

@CowperKettle Yes, I did. Oh the opening track was so haunting?

@DamkerngT. yup

@CowperKettle All?

Deliverance

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Q: "Did you watch this movie?" or "Have you watched this movie?"

What is the difference between Did you watch this movie? and Have you watched this movie?

CowperKettle

14:16

Oh, so I guessed right on the third attempt!

Usernew

:----D

Damkerng T.

Wait, Have you (ever) watched it? should be fine, too.

(So is the shortened version of it: You watched it?, I think.)

Usernew

"There's no honorable way to kill, no gentle way to destroy. There is nothing
good in war. Except its ending."
- Abraham Lincoln

same goes for the schools

Damkerng T.

Schools?

Usernew

@DamkerngT. yeah

CowperKettle

14:20

O_o

I gather you're still a young man, young man.

Usernew

Have you ever watched Donnie Darko? is correct

nope

23

I mean, young :D

yeah

CowperKettle

My thought is confirmed.

Usernew

"There's no honorable way to kill time, no gentle way to destroy the property. There is nothing good in school. Except its ending."
- Usernew

Damkerng T.

LOL

Usernew

@DamkerngT. yeah

"In the Soviet army it takes more courage to retreat than advance."
- Joseph Stalin

Never understood this until I watched the movie

Enemy at the gates

I love that quote! :D

CowperKettle

14:23

"Enemy at the gates" is a good movie, Stalin is a, well, criminal.

Usernew

@CowperKettle yeah, but I will rather vote for Stalin hundreds of thousands times over Hitler :(

Damkerng T.

Sun Tzu said, 是故百戰百勝，非善之善者也；不戰而屈人之兵，善之善者也。 (For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.)

CowperKettle

@Usernew Neither Stalin nor Hitler would care how you would vote. They were equal on that count.

Damkerng T.

In other words, the best kind of war is no war.

Usernew

@CowperKettle that's universal truth

"Death solves all problems - no man, no problem."
- Joseph Stalin

CowperKettle

14:25

But yes, Nazism was probably worse than Communism.

Usernew

@CowperKettle exactly!

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle If they still lived, maybe they would want a lot of votes.

CowperKettle

In Communism, there is no ideas about destroying whole nations.

Damkerng T.

@Usernew Not even himself? :P

Usernew

Five things I love about Hitler:

1. He is dead. 2. He is dead. 3. He is dead. 4. He is dead. 5. All of the above. :D

@DamkerngT. @_@ O_o

:D

CowperKettle

14:31

I listened to a couple of books about Hitler, and read my sister's big book about his regime's rise to power. He was just a usual guy. I mean there must be hundreds like him around right now.

Usernew

absolutely!

But Hitler had one thing: Power

Damkerng T.

IIRC, he was really good at making speech.

A very important skill.

Usernew

for a leader

CowperKettle

Yes, he impressed everyone at age 22 when he just stood up and started speaking.

Usernew

Even some of his quotes are great.

CowperKettle

14:34

Oh, that I don't know. I tried to read Mein Kampf, but it is a terrible bore.

Usernew

We don't say to the rich 'Give to the poor', we say 'German people, help each other'. Rich or poor, each one must help thinking, there's someone even poorer than I am, and I want to help them as a fellow countryman. - AH

that book should be burned :)

Student

I can give speech as well lol @CowperKettle

CowperKettle

@Student Okay, I'm all ears.

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle Better read The Cabbages of Doom! :P

Usernew

speech about what @Student ?

CowperKettle

14:36

@DamkerngT. Nah, I'd better read Chemguide, or Haskell, to find out what is so good in a language Snails loves.

Student

lol in front of my students @Usernew can you @DamkerngT.? lol

Usernew

@Student No! He's a robot!

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle Aww... Let's tempt you a bit :P

> “Call yourself a cabbage?!” bellowed Frankie Mack MacCabbage, Destroyer of a Variety of Candy and Cocoa-based Confectionery, at the cowering little cabbage in front of him. “I've seen a sprout with more stalk. I've seen cauliflowers that are less girlie than you. You're pathetic! You're not a vegetable, you're a fruit!”

CowperKettle

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Student

I should love that quote @Usernew :)

Usernew

14:38

:)

Deliverance If you haven't seen it, go watch it. @CowperKettle

Student

Where did you get that @DamkerngT.? :)

CowperKettle

And if you haven't watched it, go see it.

Usernew

from the cabbage book . @Student

Damkerng T.

@Student From a novel, The Cabbages of Doom. :-)

Usernew

@CowperKettle I have :D

@DamkerngT. is that comedy?

Bye all!

\o/

Damkerng T.

14:40

Yes, of sort. Also PG 14+.

Another passage ...

> The pitch of the engines changed slightly as one by one the cabbages flew by. Spike heard something over the roar of the engines that made his blood run cold in his veins: “Achtung! Achtung!”
“Oh no,” thought Spike, who was raised on old war movies. “Krauts.”

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. LOOOOL

I mean, that was great.

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

But I love this. Simple and short.

> “Nuts!” cursed Cyril the Squirrel.

I think he really meant, um, nuts. :P

Student

lol

Damkerng T.

Our weapons to fight against these cabbages are electrocuted cats, BTW. :P

Usernew

The Cabbage of doom reminded of two movies:

imdb.com/title/tt1612774

and imdb.com/title/tt0080391

Damkerng T.

14:45

LOL! "A homicidal car tire, discovering it has destructive psionic power, sets its sights on a desert town once a mysterious woman becomes its obsession. "

Usernew

latter one is maybe from the same universe

Damkerng T.

Quite possibly!

Usernew

:D hahaha! The first sequence of the movie, rubber, is too funny!

The tire tries to drink water, is shown breathing, stumbling when trying to walk/roll?

OMG

BYe all!

Damkerng T.

Bye! And thanks for two titles!

Student

Do we need to say "hi" and "bye" greetings here lol @DamkerngT. gently disappearing from this stage, me :)

Damkerng T.

14:54

@Student It's nice to say those greetings sometimes. :D

Not that nice as in being socially nice, but as in nice because it feels right in my heart. :D

CowperKettle

Bye, then!

Damkerng T.

Bye!

CowperKettle

15:10

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Q: "the police conspiracy" vs. "the police's conspiracy"

I am firmly convinced he is innocent and his accusation is the result of the police conspiracy. I am firmly convinced he is innocent and his accusation is the result of the police's conspiracy. Which sentence do you think is a better choice?

possessive attributive-nouns

I hope someone at least reads the new answer and votes on it, lest my bounty perish.

Damkerng T.

No answers have positive votes!

CowperKettle

15:25

Hi, @Færd, long time no see!

Færd

@Araucaria ... And as far as my knowledge in Modern Standard Arabic goes, conditional and interrogative clauses have different structures. So, there goes that one too. (Hey, my answer would've been better posted as a message like this one, since you had not ask about the languages that don't resemble English in this! But that's me for you; either talking too little or too much. :)

@CowperKettle Hey! :)

I'm often around.

Damkerng T.

@Færd I wonder if a case in Thai (which Araucaria helped figure out) works in Arabic too. I'd like to call it "bare yes-no interrogative clause".

Færd

@CowperKettle Clever idea to put up a bounty for that one.

CowperKettle

@Færd Yes, a tricky question.

Færd

@DamkerngT. Okay, what is it exactly?

Damkerng T.

15:29

E.g., รักหรือไม่รัก ฉันก็อยู่นี่แล้ว [love-or-not-love I-PARTICLE-be-here-PARTICLE] ~ Whether I love you or not, I'm here.

Færd

Although I may not have enough time right now for us to hash it out.

CowperKettle

Quoth the raven, "Nevermore!"

Damkerng T.

The part รักหรือไม่รัก can be used standalone, and it would be a question!

รักหรือไม่รัก [love-or-not-love] ~ Do you love me or not?

Færd

@DamkerngT. In Farsi doesn't work, one equivalent construction in Arabic doesn't work too.

Damkerng T.

I see.

Færd

15:31

There may be other ways to express that idea though, in Farsi or Arabic.

I must think more.

May be a good clue to find something. :)

Damkerng T.

:D

Færd

Bye for now guys. o/

Damkerng T.

See you around!

Araucaria

17:09

@Færd Thanks for your answers! I have a Farsi speaker who works at my language college. He gave me different data from you. He gave me the Persian for "If she's here, I can't see her" and "I don't know if she's here" (I think those were the sentences). Anyhow if she's here was the same in both sentences. I'll try and find the examples tomorrow. It would be good to know what you think! :-)

@johnchae I'll probably be around later. Ping me when you're here :)

Færd

17:44

@Araucaria It'd help tremendously if I had the Farsi sentences, but let me take a wild guess: they translated I don't know if she's here into نمیدانم اگر اینجاست, or equivalently اگر اینجاست نمیدانم, which is really a conditional sentence in which if she's here is falsely translated into a conditional phrase اگر اینجاست. We don't have that type of condirogative clauses in Farsi. :)

It's possible that they have given you another Farsi sentences though. But the above doesn't work.

A correct translation of I don't know if she's here is 1: نمیدانم که اینجاست یا نه, or less acceptably 2: نمیدانم که اینجا باشد, or much less acceptably 3: نمیدانم که اینجاست.

#2 can be said to have a clause (اینجا باشد) that can work as a protasis. If we translate If she's here I can't see here using that clause in #2, it becomes 3: اینجا باشد نمیدانم, which can be understood as a conditional.

Correction: . . . . . it becomes 4: اینجا باشد نمیدانم, which can be understood as a conditional.

But first: #2 sounds a bit funny and is not the best way to phrase that sentence, and second: #4 has an original form which differs from #4 only in that the original #4 has the if word and our #4 doesn't have the if.

@Araucaria Okay, I think we discovered something! We can mend #2 into a better Farsi sentence which still shares a clause with something like #4.

I don't know if she's here or not = نمی‌دانم این‌جا باشد یا نه

Araucaria

18:19

Can you give me a gloss in roman script?

Færd

Whether she's here or not I can't see her = این‌جا باشد یا نه نمی‌توانم ببینمش

I don't know whether she's here or not = نمی‌دانم این‌جا باشد یا نه

@Araucaria For which?

Araucaria

@Færd For your last two examples, if that's ok?

Færd

Please ignore my babbling above and stick to the last two.

You want a romanization or a word-to-word translation?

Araucaria

A romanisation please

Færd

The first: این‌جا (here) باشد ((whether) is) یا نه (or not) نمی‌توانم (I can't) ببینمش (see her).

The second: نمی‌دانم (I don't know) این‌جا (here) باشد ((whether) she is) یا نه (or not).

@Araucaria Sorry, Farsi is written left-to-right and English right-to-left, it causes a bit of confusion. I sorted the words from left to right in the romanizations.

My browser or chat.SE or whatever is not compatible with the correct ordering of mixed Farsi and English. Messes up the order of the words.

If I confused you, or you have other questions, please ask.

Araucaria

18:38

@Færd Thanks!

Færd

@Araucaria I'm going to edit my answer and sum it up there. You're welcome.

Araucaria

@Færd Nice one!

Færd

@Araucaria Haha I gave you translations! Sorry.

Typical me.

Araucaria

@Færd They're useful too!

@Færd I wouldn't mind a romanised version if you have time at some point :)

Færd

Will be okay if I include that in my to-be-updated answer?

Or here you want them?

@Araucaria Okay, in the answer.

Araucaria

18:47

@Færd Yes, that would be good. That way everyone can see it!

Færd

Yes.

Færd

20:05

@DamkerngT. That idea (barely) worked! : linguistics.stackexchange.com/a/17554/13156

Anonymous

23:18

@CowperKettle Haha!

Anonymous

23:46

Can a sea anemone see an enemy sea anemone?

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