Language Overflow

Anonymous

16:03

I'm afraid the Korean proposal won't hit 200 users in time at this rate.

Anonymous

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Korean Language

Proposed Q&A site for linguists, teachers and students of the Korean language.

Currently in commitment.

Jim Reynolds

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Q: Meaning of "{Someone's} got jokes ..."

The following appears as an example sentence in this entry on UrbanDictionary.com: Timmy's got jokes if he thinks I'm going to sell him my $3000 rims for $500 bucks! I need additional help in understanding what's mean by got jokes in this context.

The sentence in question comes from an UrbanDictionary entry.

So, perhaps it is a "particular style in language" or is used among a "particular group"

So it's idiomatic?

Yet, it's slang, perhaps, so not idiomatic.

Am I right?

Damkerng T.

I don't think it is, at least outside the group. It's not an idiom either.

Jim Reynolds

Ha. Right ... but that it's inside a group would seem to make it idiomatic!

Damkerng T.

Could be!

Jim Reynolds

16:11

American Heritage Dictionary "idiomatic": 4. Peculiar to or characteristic of the style or manner of a particular group or people.

O.O

Collapses to floor and has a seizure.

Damkerng T.

LOL

Jim Reynolds

The world must be made an orderly place, Dam.

We can't rest until these things are resolved.

I'm preparing a petition to the International Court of Justice at The Hague, The Netherlands.

Damkerng T.

On this idiomatic thing?

Jim Reynolds

Yes, indeed!

And a letter of complaint to the US Library of Congress.

A petition to Scotland Yard.

Somebody somewhere has to take responsibility?

Damkerng T.

Probably MI6. :P

Word of the Day: chupacabra

Anonymous

16:28

Tubacabra!

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Oh, in Japanese!?

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. In a cartoon! :-)

Anonymous

It's the name of a tuba.

CopperKettle

@snailboat Nice. I never heard of "aestivation"

Damkerng T.

Ah!

Anonymous

16:29

@CopperKettle It's the opposite of hibernation. (Warning! Poorly defined 'opposite' alert!)

CopperKettle

@DamkerngT. I remember this word, it's used on the web a lot.

@snailboat Yes, in response to high temperature. Curious.

The economies of East Asia have entered into a state of aestivation.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. → youtube.com/watch?v=-0D2rOpz-FE#t=56s

CopperKettle

Some SF movie script writers should employ an aestivation-based hybernation scheme for astronauts. That would introduce laymen to this phenomenon.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Haha!

CopperKettle

@snailboat To the contrary, I sometimes write an answer to wrap it around a poetry quote. Some show-off gene, probably. (0:

Good evening, @Arrowfar!

user116848

16:41

Hey :)

CopperKettle

Yam (vegetable)

Yam is the common name for some plant species in the genus Dioscorea (family Dioscoreaceae) that form edible tubers. These are perennial herbaceous vines cultivated for the consumption of their starchy tubers in Africa, Asia, Latin America, the Caribbean and Oceania. There are many cultivars of yam. Although some varieties of sweet potato (Ipomoea batatas) are also called yam in parts of the United States and Canada, sweet potato is not part of the family Dioscoreaceae but belongs in the unrelated morning glory family Convolvulaceae. == Description == Yams are monocots, related to lilies...

I never tasted it. (0:

Anonymous

@CopperKettle They're labeled 'sweet potato' at the store here.

CopperKettle

@snailboat I remember the word from novels like Gone with the Wind. (0:

Novels set in the US.

@DamkerngT. I wonder if you had drafting lessons at school.

In Russia, there's a course of drafting at school.

Damkerng T.

@CopperKettle I really had

CopperKettle

Or "technical drawing"?

Damkerng T.

16:46

Yes, technical drawing.

CopperKettle

I remember that fellow pupils really hated it, cause it was not really creative. (0:

I gave a collection of my drawings to a friend who was a year younger, so that he could turn them in to the teacher and get grades.

I had been making duplicates with no signatures. (0:

Damkerng T.

@CopperKettle Indeed. It was a good exercise for our brains, though. They gave us two sides of the object (or the building/structure/etc.) and we had to draw the third.

CopperKettle

Yes, a three-dimentional drawing.

Damkerng T.

@CopperKettle Oh, no!

Exactly!

user116848

I was pretty good at drawing in school but then lost the habit. Haven't drawn in ages now.

user116848

16:49

It is fun.

Anonymous

It's fun, though, isn't it? :-)

Anonymous

You could probably pick it back up if you wanted to.

user116848

Of course :)

Anonymous

It's like falling off a bike.

user116848

Or like driving a car.

CopperKettle

16:50

My uncle was a decorator and designer, so I guess I inherited a gene for it, but I haven't used it much. (0:

Damkerng T.

@CopperKettle A-ha! It runs in the family.

user116848

@CopperKettle Do you have any drawings with you now? Upload a pic here if you want.

user116848

:)

user116848

I have some but they are in other computer I think.

CopperKettle

@Arrowfar I have my sister's, but I won't upload. They are all on paper. (0:

user116848

16:52

Oh cool.

user116848

Mine too. Well most of 'em.

user116848

I'll take pictures with camera someday.

CopperKettle

She has left a lot of crayons and brushes and leaves of white paper and inks and stuff here.

@Arrowfar Okay! (0:

user116848

heh

CopperKettle

@DamkerngT. Yes, but he had a real talent, I guess. He even made clothes(?) for himself.

Damkerng T.

16:55

Cool!

I've never been good at garment stuff myself.

CopperKettle

In the Soviet times, there were no good clothes in the stores, but still people could not make it all by themselves. It's quite complicated, I guess.

Some people set up undercover cloth-making teams, like an undercover business.

Some of them got into jail for that.

BBL!

user116848

Bai.

Nihilist_Frost

From Wikipedia:

For example, the sound /ʌ/, normally written u, is spelled with an o in son, love, come, etc., due to Norman spelling conventions which prohibited writing u before v, m, n due to the graphical confusion that would result. (v, u, n were identically written with two minims in Norman handwriting; w was written as two u letters; m was written with three minims, hence mm looked like vun, nvu, uvu, etc.) Similarly, spelling conventions also prohibited final v.

thus we got stuff like mother, wolf, son, ton, love, shove, honey

Nihilist_Frost

17:36

google.ca/…

LOL

those 1990 French reforms are coming in full force

google.ca/…

Anonymous

17:57

The problem with assuming people mean what they say is I'm so often wrong.

Anonymous

I have to Cooperate and guess at what people meant to say.

Anonymous

@Nihilist_Frost Interesting!

Damkerng T.

@snailboat That could make language fascinating and a cause of headaches at the same time.

spending some cycles trying to understand what I just said... -- sometimes it's even confusing trying to understand ourselves. :-)

Anonymous

18:29

てんこ盛り

てんこ盛り（天こ盛り、てんこもり）とは、食器などに食べ物をうず高く（盛り上がって高く）盛ること。また、その様子、その盛ったもの。山盛り、てこもりと同義。転じて（よくプラスイメージの）ものが豊富にある様子を「〜がてんこ盛り」と言ったりする。食べ物を普通より多く盛ることは大盛りという。マンガで登場するご飯は茶碗や丼などの食器にこのような状態で盛られていることも多く見られ、一部では「マンガ（漫画）盛り」と呼ばれたりすることもある。デカ盛りも同義語として扱われることがある。 == 語源編集 == てんこ盛りの「てんこ」は元々漢字で「天骨（てんこつ）」と書く言葉が略されたもので、山頂や空の上の方を意味する方言として北陸から関西、中国、四国地方に見られる。また、「てっこ」や「てっきょ」などといった変化形は西日本だけではなく、群馬や福島でもみられる。そこから転じて「天骨盛り（てんこ盛り）」とは「山の頂点のようにうず高く盛り付けられている」という様子を意味するようになった。なお、現在では「天骨」という言葉は生まれつきの人となりや天性、生まれつきの才能や器用さやそれが備わっている様子を意味する。「天骨ない（てんこちない）」とは、「思いがけない」「とんでもない」という意味の近世語である。 == その他編集 == てんこ盛りに似た言葉に「天盛り」がある。これは酢の物、和え物、煮物などに...

Anonymous

Anonymous

What would you call this in English?

CopperKettle

Ice-cream?

Nihilist_Frost

some weird type of ice cream

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Tall soft cream, probably.

CopperKettle

18:31

> Tenkomori ( heaven this prime , Tenkomori) and is, tableware , such as in the food vortex high (high swells) Serve it.

Some style of serving food, I guess.

"Heaped-up food"

Damkerng T.

nods -- somehow that bowl of rice and the very tall ice-cream or whatever it's called are together on the same page.

@CopperKettle LOL -- Nice choice of words!

CopperKettle

Thanks! (0:

@DamkerngT. There could be another name.

"Food a la Pompadour"

Pompadour (hairstyle)

Pompadour refers to a hairstyle which is named for Madame de Pompadour (1721–1764), mistress of King Louis XV. Although there are numerous variations of the style for both men, women, and children, the basic concept is hair swept upwards from the face and worn high over the forehead, and sometimes upswept around the sides and back as well. After its initial popularity among fashionable women in the 18th century, the style was revived as part of the Gibson Girl look in the 1890s and continued to be in vogue until World War I. The style was in vogue for women once again in the 1940s. The men's version...

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

CopperKettle

(0:

And it has the r sound, so loved by the Japanese!

Ponopaduro (0:

bjb568

@snailboat Now I'm hungry.

Anonymous

18:38

@CopperKettle Pompadōru (or pompadūru)

Anonymous

How to make a Pompadourポンパドール編[Reupload]

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Anonymous

She says it at the beginning of the video

CopperKettle

@snailboat Nice! (0:

Anonymous

In general, you should use /u/ as an epenthetic vowel in Japanese, except after /t/ and /d/, in which case you should use /o/.

CopperKettle

I always imagine the Japanese half-barking words out. But she said it so softly.

Anonymous

18:40

@CopperKettle Really? That's interesting.

CopperKettle

@snailboat Maybe due to all these movies in which Japanese military men give commands as if on the verge of heart attack

Copperu Kettoru

BBL!

user116848

@snailboat Wow, can you eat all of that?! :-)

Anonymous

@Arrowfar Um, I imagine it would kill me halfway through if I tried!

user116848

heh!

Anonymous

Fortunately, I'm not going to try :-)

Anonymous

18:50

Looks terrifying.

user116848

Yeah that's a lot of ice cream. Maybe for like three four peeps :-)

CopperKettle

user116848

A baloon?

CopperKettle

I'm reading up on chemistry, and it turns out Mendeleev flew alone in this aerostat, in order to observe a sun eclipse in 1887

user116848

ah cool.

CopperKettle

18:52

The aerostat failed to fly two persons, and he actually asked the officer who knew how to manage the aerostat to step out of the wicket

He flew for several hours, because the mechanism for letting hydrogen off malfunctioned, and he had to fix it.

Covered 100 kilometers, landed near a village. (0:

Nihilist_Frost

Would Arrowfar be アローファー ?

user116848

Hello Nihilist.

Nihilist_Frost

hey @Arrowfar

@CopperKettle Japanese loans English words non-rhotically

e.g. oke (as in karaoke) from "orchestra"

CopperKettle

nods

Nihilist_Frost

ɒ and ɔ would become "o" when loaned in

Jim Reynolds

19:00

@Cop.I don't want to say I dislike @IͶΔ, but if I found myself on a jetliner with him, I'd also ask him to step off "for just a moment".

Nihilist_Frost

θ and ð would loan into "s" and "z"

Jim Reynolds

@snailboat Heart-attack-in-a-cone?

Damkerng T.

19:18

@JimReynolds It's probably "Attack of the cone". :P

Anonymous

Both seem apt!

Anonymous

@Nihilist_Frost Probably.

V.V.

19:35

Hi!

Anonymous

Hello! :-)

V.V.

I have a phrase "over a social beaker".Just want to be sure I understand it correctly (have to translate )Over a glass of something?

Anonymous

Oh, I haven't heard that phrase before.

Anonymous

It does sound like it would mean what you're saying.

V.V.

That's my favourite P.G.Wodehouse.

Jim Reynolds

19:45

Do you mean to break the ice?

Oops. I saw breaker! haha

V.V.

Jim, can't get you.

Jim Reynolds

You wrote over a social beaker.

Anonymous

@V.V. He misread beaker as breaker and took a guess :-)

V.V.

Exactly

Thanks

Jim Reynolds

That! Haha. We broke the ice into a social beaker and then broke the ice!

I was wondering why snailboat replied as she did!

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Q: Present perfect with since: starting and ending times of a finished past event?

I started reading at 9:00AM and finished at 10:00AM. The time is now 11:00 AM. Which is correct to say? I have read the book since 9:00 AM. I have read the book since 10:00 AM. I had read the book since 9:00 AM. I had read the book since 10:00 AM.

tense time

Anonymous

19:51

It's pretty difficult to force since into that sort of sentence.

Anonymous

Since 9:00AM, I've spent half my time in the state of currently reading the book and the rest in the state of having finished it.

Jim Reynolds

@Catija Would you like to edit the point I made in my my answer into yours? Then we'll have a more complete answer and I'll delete mine.

Anonymous

See? That worked terribly. :-)

V.V.

Can I say

Jim Reynolds

:-)

I had always read from 9 to 10, and I still read from 9 to 10 all that languid summer of 2007, when the bees bumbled in the briar and the coes cudded in their copses of corn.

Earthquake here now. Moderate!

Anonymous

20:02

@JimReynolds Eep!

V.V.

It's the same person who was eating breakfast from 7 o'clock till 7.40.

Jim Reynolds

We can safely assume. Yes.

V.V.

And his ninth or tenth variant

Jim Reynolds

Something like that.

CopperKettle

@JimReynolds coes?

Jim Reynolds

20:09

A company of cows.

CopperKettle

Ah. You meant kine. (0:

Jim Reynolds

What's kine?

CopperKettle

> All round me were tokens of a divided empire. The old grass and the new grass were striving together. In the low wet swales the verdure peeped out in vivid green; beyond, on the mountains, lay light patches of snow, strangely relieved against their russet sides; all the humped hills looked like brindled kine in the shivers.

"Kine" is plural of "cow".

Jim Reynolds

:-)

Is it long I like kite?

CopperKettle

It must be.

> The woods were strewn with dry dead boughs, snapped off by the riotous winds of March, while the young trees skirting the woods were just beginning to show the first yellowish tinge of the nascent spray.

Jim Reynolds

20:13

@V.V. Is it a he?

Both of those are lovely, Cop!

The woods were strewn with dry dead boughs, snapped off by kines of riotous cows.

V.V.

I think so. He appears once a week, but today he changed the words.

Anonymous

@CopperKettle Kine was the plural of cow. Today, the plural is cows, and kine is archaic.

CopperKettle

@snailboat But it should be revived.

By welkin, it should.

Anonymous

No argument there :-)

V.V.

20:31

"in fine"– is this expression often used?

Anonymous

I don't understand.

V.V.

All that you had to do was to write articles and send them to different papers, and the editors sent them back by return of post. In fine, a game closely resembling Ping-pong, only easie

In fine -in a word?

Or "say"

Catija

@JimReynolds You're more than welcome to, if you like. You know a lot more about the grammar terminology than I do, so I trust you to edit if you want.

Anonymous

@V.V. Oh! I see. That has mostly disappeared from the language.

Anonymous

corpus.byu.edu/coha/?c=coha&q=44948335

V.V.

20:48

I thought it was unusual. Never met it before. Thanks a lot, @snailboat.Good night!

Damkerng T.

It was from the early 1900s.

Oh, it's in dictionaries!

collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/in-fine

Anonymous

Good night, V.V.!

Damkerng T.

Something I found while I was searching for "In fine"...

> In substance, it did a superb job of analyzing the text and offered a number of trenchant insights. It was clearly A-level work. There was only one problem: It markedly exceeded the quality of any other assignment the student had submitted all semester.

> The instructor suspected foul play. She used several plagiarism-detection programs to determine if the student had cut and pasted text from another source, but each of these searches turned up nothing. So she decided to confront the student. She asked him point blank, "Did you write this, or did someone else write it for you?" The student immediately confessed. He had purchased the custom-written paper from an online essay-writing service.

> theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/write-my-essay-please/…

That also reminds me of a movie I recently watched: Big Eyes.

> "This is what it comes to, huh? You're the only living soul I can tell my secret to. I painted every single one of them. Every big eye. Me. And no one would ever know but you." -- Her dog's staring back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xD9uTlh5hI

BTW, talking about dogs...

This dog's voice is special!

Talking husky puppy

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Catija

21:13

This guy showed up on M&TV... do any of you know of resources that might work for him?

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Q: Unscripted English audio /video file

I'm not sure if my question is related to this topic or not. But I need an English audio /video file of about 10 minutes or more. The file should be without any text. I mean its text should be no text on the net. Can you please help me to find one The topic is not important. It can be a lecture...

short-films

Damkerng T.

@Catija There are plenty of such clips on YouTube.

Catija

@DamkerngT. Yeah, that's what I recommended in a comment.

Damkerng T.

nods

Anonymous

I don't have anything better to recommend, really.

Catija

OK. Hopefully he can find something good, then. :)

Damkerng T.

21:16

However, the difficulty level (for transcription) can vary a lot from one clip to another.

If he's a beginner, I'd recommend news first.

If he's an absolute beginner, VOA might be a good start.

If he's an intermediate beginner, BBC or NPR would be fine.

(I found that it's hard to listen to some clips on VOA, personally, because they purposely speak very, very slowly.)

An example from NPR, npr.org/sections/monkeysee/2016/02/05/465705818/…

Oh, he said that the text shouldn't be on the web.

I guess we can make it trickier by finding a clip that has transcription on the web, but the transcription is incorrect. :P

(If it's almost correct, but not quite, we can see almost right away whether the student can hear the words or not.)

Anonymous

The Snail: store.dontcrack.com/product_info.php?products_id=2242

Anonymous

Looks exciting, huh? :-)

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Yours?

Anonymous

Oh, no.

Anonymous

I just thought I'd share the link :-)

Damkerng T.

21:30

Aww... I was hoping the answer might be yes. :D

I mean, Snail Sound System sounds quite nice!

learningenglish.voanews.com/content/…

I remember that most VOA Learning English audio clips were slower than that!

(It's still slow anyway, but not ridiculously slow like some clips I gave to my nephew.)

@snailboat From their about page:

> DontCrac[k] as been created to become a bridge between customers and developers. The idea is to provide full services for developers, letting them do what they do best : Releasing great Software!

"as been"!

Nihilist_Frost

22:30

And one of theym... cam in to an hows and axed for mete and specyally he axyd after eggys, and the goode wyf answerde that she could speke no Frenshe. And the marchaunt was angry, for he also coude speke no Frenshe, but wolde have hadde egges; and she understode hym not.

And thenne at laste a-nother sayd that he wolde have eyren. Then the good wyf sayd that she understod hym wel. Loo, what sholde a man in thyse dayes now wryte, egges, or eyren? Certaynly it is hard to playse every man, by-cause of dyversite and chaunge of langage.

~William Caxton, Prologue to Eneydos

tchrist

23:00

Axe not lest ye be axed.

Nihilist_Frost

23:11

@tchrist a false friend.

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