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00:03

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Q: Observe os seguintes segmentos textuais

"Tu dissestes que ias ao inzame (por exame), mas não fostes. Na vez disso foste tarde. Escusas de estrabuchar (por estrebuchar) porque e gente vamos-se embora". 1. Identifique cinco factos linguísticos que representam desvio ema relação à consiste cada um deles. 2. Explique que o tipo sociolingui...

linguística

Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.

Damkerng T.

sociolinguistico?

Anonymous

Okay, now I'm using the new mobile interface. I'm not a big fan of icons. Is the send message icon a picture of a paper airplane?

Anonymous

I'm not sure where the menu thing that was in the corner went.

Anonymous

If the little thing at the top actually showed up, it would mean I could do things like starring messages. Improved functionality! That'd be nice. It doesn't show up, though, so all I can do is chat and marvel at the weird margins on this text.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat I think it is!

Anonymous

00:16

Ah, I got it to appear by tapping above the URL bar! Now it really feels like using an iPhone. Using an iPhone means constantly guessing at bizarre UI decisions. It's like you're constantly on a treasure hunt to figure out where the features have been hidden.

Damkerng T.

That sounds about right! Sometimes I feel a bit like that using these devices.

Anonymous

So I tap once above the URL bar to make the menu visible, but that makes the text input at the bottom disappear. If I double tap near the bottom, it comes back, unless a message is currently selected, in which case I have to unselect it to turn the blank at the bottom back into a text box.

Anonymous

Unfortunately, double tapping near the bottom tends to select a message.

Anonymous

So if I want to star something, I tap a message to select it, tap above the URL bar to make the menu appear, tap the star at the top, then double tap the bottom, check to see if it selected a message, and tap that message to unselect if so, then tap the text of again.

Anonymous

It seems that it's not actually broken like I thought it was, it's just treasure hunt style UI.

Damkerng T.

00:23

I have to fight with the soft keyboard several times to bring the message input box back.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Now I can reply to a message! :-)

Damkerng T.

Yay!

That's a good thing!

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. It mostly works!

Damkerng T.

(Though I think on iPad, using the full desktop interface is somewhat more convenient.)

Anonymous

Sometimes I seem to have to tap multiple times.

Damkerng T.

00:24

@snailboat I think the new mobile interface is quite promising, though it still needs some tuning here and there.

Anonymous

The whole tapping at the top and bottom is kind of awful, to be honest.

Anonymous

When the menu was visible at the top just now, I couldn't read your message because it was off the bottom of the chat and it wouldn't scroll any further. I had to double tap to swap out the menu for the input box to see it.

Damkerng T.

A problem with responsive web design is that most of them don't allow the user to pinch and zoom into the page, which sometimes is a big help.

Anonymous

The old UI was a lot better, except it didn't let you do stuff like starting or replying.

Anonymous

So basically, 0/5 for usability, 5/5 for added functionality.

Damkerng T.

00:27

LOL

Anonymous

I'll take the functionality since I can learn and adapt to the UI, but I can easily imagine people failing to guess what they need to do to make the menu or input box appear.

Damkerng T.

The menu is easier to guess, I think. More and more websites make over their UI to include that thumbdrop(TM) menu. (I don't know what it's called exactly, so I call it "thumbdrop". :-)

I don't actually like it much, but it's not that bad.

Anonymous

@snailboat Hey, it supports the super ping thingy.

Damkerng T.

I mean, the "thumbdrop" interface in general.

@snailboat Oh, neat!

Anonymous

If the menu were like on the mobile version of the main site, it'd be fine.

Anonymous

00:32

Sure, it uses an icon, and icons are bad, but it's relatively simple to figure out and use. You just have to be able to guess that there's a hidden menu you need to expose.

Anonymous

Icons are at least language-neutral, which is a positive thing.

Damkerng T.

nods -- It could be confusing sometimes, too. :D

Anonymous

No matter what languages you speak, you can be equally mystified by the paper airplane icon.

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Damkerng T.

LOL

Hmm... this line is interesting: The representation is effected as follows

Anonymous

It'd be nice if I could make the text input box appear without selecting a message. Sometimes I can, and sometimes I can't.

Anonymous

00:36

I think I'd need more context to understand that.

Damkerng T.

It's from the paper Spectral transformations for digital filters.

Anonymous

A-ha! A different kind of representation than I'd first guessed.

Damkerng T.

> The representation is effected as follows. If z^-1 is replaced by cos \omega T - j sin \omega T in a given pulse-transfer function, the amplitude characteristic can be earily evaluated.

(I think the "earily" is a typo!)

Anonymous

I'll have to upload a picture of these mystery icons later.

Damkerng T.

Oh, I didn't try to upload any picture via the new interface.

But I guess that the feature is included.

Anonymous

00:39

When you click the dot dot dot next to a room on the chat room listing, you get three icons.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Any idea where that feature is hidden?

Damkerng T.

I'll need to grab my iPad. :D

Anonymous

Wow, they really went icon crazy on this UI.

Anonymous

I can do any of seven icons to your message.

Damkerng T.

Oh, I think there is no way to upload an image in this UI!

Anonymous

00:45

Oh, I see. That's too bad! It'd be handy.

Damkerng T.

nods

Anonymous

Any idea what those three icons are on the chat room list?

Damkerng T.

I guess we'd have to switch to the full site interface to upload it.

Anonymous

When you click the dot dot dot, I mean.

Damkerng T.

I can guess two out of three.

2nd ~ transcript; 3rd ~ mark as favorite

Anonymous

00:46

Anonymous

And join room?

Damkerng T.

Ah, yes!

Anonymous

Reply, permalink, star, edit, delete, flag, pin, I assume.

Damkerng T.

nods -- the pin and star icons confused me for a while.

Anonymous

00:51

I'm not sure why they don't use a push pin as an icon for pinning.

Anonymous

I think I can get used to this interface.

Damkerng T.

nods -- I wish I wouldn't have to switch the soft keyboard on and off too often to access the input box.

Anonymous

Though I can't use tapping above the URL bar for its normal function, moving to the top of the page. I could do that with the old UI.

Anonymous

If there were an option to keep the menu visible at all times, or maybe both the menu and input box, I'd definitely use it.

Damkerng T.

01:10

Me too!

Or something that works in my old browser.

Daniel Rch.

Hi, I´m a novice in this stackExchange. I'm learning english mainly because I´m studying software development at College in Argentina.
I´m going to accumulate questions and tomorrow I will write it here
I don´t know if It understood
Bye.

Anonymous

Hello, @DanielRch.! Welcome to ELL chat! :-)

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. I've been pretty harsh on this new UI, but I think it's probably usable once you get used to it. I'm still trying to figure out how to avoid accidentally selecting messages when double tapping the bottom of the screen.

Anonymous

Of course, I only have the software keyboard.

Damkerng T.

@DanielRch. Welcome to the room! See you again soon!

Anonymous

01:21

@DamkerngT. So I don't have to figure out the same set of problems you do, I suppose.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat I can imagine that it may work well on real (smart)phones.

Anonymous

It clearly does have some issues at this point, though.

Damkerng T.

nods -- It looks promising, though.

Anonymous

I'm going to keep using it :-)

Damkerng T.

Yay!

Oh, we have exactly 999 starred messages. What a number!

Nihilist_Frost

01:35

can you think of some words that lack rhymes?

just for fun

I can think of breakfast, iron, cupboard, gridiron, bulb, wolf

orange too

V.V.

04:00

@IͶΔ, MAR, is that new you?

CopperKettle

04:40

("now we need to make this flag wave in the breeze somehow")

Jim Reynolds

05:11

I wrote an answer to @Cop 's question.

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A: Using indefinite articles before adjective: "Let's have a good breakfast"

Breakfast is both countable and uncountable, concrete and abstract. As a meal, it's countable just like meal. As the idea of a meal, the general notion, it's uncountable (just like "mealness"). noun A meal eaten in the morning, the first of the day: a breakfast of bacon and eggs ...

But suddenly I.feel I said nothing. I don't know why we

Say eat/have some breakfast but not some meal.

Because the noun sometimes presents it as countable and sometimes as mass seems circular.

Oh. Someone's upvoted it. So it IS a good answer. Thanks, Mom!

V.V.

05:38

@CopperKettle, why didn't you ask about using articles with meals? A breakfast for two. Breakfast is an important meal. The breakfast is on the table.etc.

V.V.

05:53

It's a difficult question.

BTW, have breakfast and eat breakfast has different meanings of the word "breakfast "(meal and food)IMHO.

Have, I meant.

lekon chekon