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01:31
Is there a pure /t/ in AmE?
I'm pretty sure it is retained in some words?
Anonymous
Meaning what, [tʰ] or [t]?
05:55
Phrase of the day: is key. You don't always need the article the before key.
06:34
Hii . Good Morning!
First time i peeped into Lnaguage Overflow :D
@CrazyNinja Congrats!
@DamkerngT. morning!
Can you do me a favor ?
@CopperKettle ^
I'll be back later!
06:35
okay
@CopperKettle Hmm... I think I've seen that several years ago, though I think they are different teams.
Good morning, @CrazyNinja!
@DamkerngT. how are you? I think you are all good
You thought right. :-)
Word of the Day: apraxia
@DamkerngT. do you remember that I said my joining date of new workplace has extended by a month?
I've heard only aphasia, but the article above has apraxia. Now I know both.
@CrazyNinja Yes, I remember that.
06:38
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Q: HR wants to push my start date by a month

Crazy NinjaToday I got a phone call from HR of my new (future) workplace. I have already got my appointment letter from that company. It stated that my joining date as 1st of coming month. But today they called me and said my joining date has extended by a month. Their reason was there are bunch of new co...

So, just few minutes ago, they replied ! ^_^
And they asked me to come on my original date which we agreed!
Now I'm looking for a thanks giving reply to that email
So you're okay with the original agreement?
I'm sorry. I'm really busy with many other things.
YES !!!!
I understand :)
Oh, I see. They wanted to delay it, but they changed their mind.
Congrats!
yup. That is the power of Formal English
07:02
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07:22
Interesting information: in the last 11 months, I've looked up 7380 words in Macmillan (what a round number!) via this computer.
I think only maybe 25-33% of the words were new to me at the time I looked them up. Could be more, or fewer.
 
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12:28
@jimsug “Canadian” raising (and American, and Ulster) discussion spotted here and here. I’m thinking that this doesn’t happen in Antipodean English(es), but your diphthongs are so prone to massive shifts (per the stereotypical Roit, might!) that I’m not 100% positive.
 
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16:34
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16:46
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A: run on to more than one line -- I'm not sure I understand how "to" is used here

StoneyBTo does not mean "in the direction of"—that's toward. To designates a goal or destination, as in I'm going to London. In this case, the "destination" is the place where the line ends. Note, however, that this is more often written and spoken runs onto the next line. The difference is very sligh...

Hmm... I'm not sure if @StoneyB means that the sentence quoted by the OP should've been written run onto more than one line.
Personally, I read that sentence as run on up to more than one line.
(Where 'up' is added only for internalization. I think writing 'run on up to' could sound weird.)
17:48
This room is for learners of all languages, right?
Not quite. It's a room to discuss any language that others think interesting.
Also, the room owner is interested in language acquisition, and cats. :P
OK, is there a better room for general language learning?
:D good combo
Indeed!
Have you heard the language learning proposal at Area 51?
Welcome to LO!
@Numeri Yes. Though I wonder if we'll be able to assist you.
No, I'll check it out.
17:52
We can talk about English, English, English, Japanese, Arabic, Persian, and maybe Turkish.
And virtually all Romantic and Germanic languages, and Chinese, and Korean, and Vietnamese, and Thai, and more.
And Russian/
Oh, and of course, Russian!
How could I forget that?!
17:53
Oh, and Portuguese, and Russian.
:D Ok, here's my question, then: I really enjoy learning languages (or even just getting the feel of a language) by learning about the basics of its grammar first (word order, gender, cases, verbs, stuff like that). But my problem is that it's hard to find resources for this (a general overview of grammar, not mixed in with practice or vocab, or broken into "lessons"). The best one I've found so far was for spanish, at the beginning of a dictionary, or a certain app for german.
Sorry TC.
Does anyone know of a website or something that would have that kind of resource for multiple languages?
@Numeri First, what's your goal?
Linguistic knowledge, or fluency in speaking that language, or what?
:D It's mostly just to scratch the itch of curiosity when I want to learn a little about a language.
17:55
I think learning some grammar basics is a good idea, but wouldn't that be language specific?
Yes, hopefully it would be language specific :D
I take it that you're interested in Spanish and German?
I was just wondering if there is any collection of descriptions of languages' grammars similar to what I described.
@DamkerngT. No, when I'm actually trying to learn a language (Spanish right now), I have different things that work for me, but starting with grammar is best. What I'm looking for is something when I have a passing question about how a language's grammar works
(Could be hebrew, russian, portuguese, french, esperanto, etc.)
Hmm... I can't say that I know a good website for that.
Wikipedia's "grammar pages" usually describe some basic facts about a language's grammar
Russian grammar (Russian: грамматика русского языка; IPA: [ɡrɐˈmatʲɪkə ˈruskəvə jɪzɨˈka]; also русская грамматика; IPA: [ˈruskəjə ɡrɐˈmatʲɪkə]) encompasses: a highly inflexional morphology a syntax that, for the literary language, is the conscious fusion of three elements: a Church Slavonic inheritance; a Western European style; a polished vernacular foundation. The Russian language has preserved an Indo-European inflexional structure, although considerable adaption has taken place. The spoken language has been influenced by the literary one, but it continues to preserve some characteristic forms...
17:59
Yes, wikipedia's are good, but the actual quality/scope of the articles ranges so widely from language to language. I still do like to check that, though
Russian has also proven friendly to agglutinative compounds. As an extreme case: металлоломообеспечение [mʲɪtəlɐˌlomɐɐbʲɪˈsʲpʲetɕɪnʲjɪ] "provision of scrap iron"
Nice. (0:
@CopperKettle мета looks like meta. :-)
@DamkerngT. It's part of metall - металл (0:
I guessed as much. Still, it's fun to think of meta. Today is my meta day, perhaps. :P
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"Russian is null-subject language — it allows constructing sentences without subject"
Смеркалось. = 'It got dusky.'
Скучно. = 'I'm bored.'
18:05
Is that different than a language that drops subjects?
Dunno..
I'm out to lunch on that issue.
BTW, Wikipedia makes Thai an attractive language to learn because its grammar page is so short. :-)
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@DamkerngT. And there's no Russian page for it.
@CopperKettle Wow, its Chinese version is much longer!
@DamkerngT. China is closer to Thailand than the UK or the USA!
18:08
LOL
I like the Thai one because it's all just "Thai has no ... "
You almost think Thai has no grammar!
LOLROTF
18:09
A blessed language.
Or a really hard to understand one. I eat = you eat = we eat = he ate = they should have been eating yesterday :D
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"A peculiarity of Russian language is synonymic affixal reduplication, whereby a root may acquire two productive suffixes or prefixes, different, but of the same semantics, with the corresponding intensification of the meaning."
Wow. O_o
Yeah, some of those articles are a little difficult to swallow....
:D
@CopperKettle — Snailboat
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Using the synonymic affixal reduplication, снейлбоyтушечька
( two diminutive-generating suffixes)
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18:14
@CopperKettle I can confirm that снейлбоyтушечька is beyond Google Translate. :-)
snailboat-ush-ech-ka
I guess that Google Translate doesn't care much about grammar.
@DamkerngT. When it is, we humans will have been made obsolete. (0:
It's when Google (Translate) rules the earth!
18:18
Go the language, or Go the game?
The game, methinks!
Hmm... I'm not sure which one is the harder problem between chess and go.
I haven't played Go, so I'm not in a position to judge.
> Not that it matters: Go’s impossibly high branching factor and state space (the number of possible board configurations) render full-board alpha-beta searches all but useless, even after implementing clever refinements. Factor in the average length of a game — chess is around 40 turns, Go is 200 — and computer Go starts to look like a fool’s errand.
Ahh... 40 vs. 200.
But Go has only one type of piece, while chess has many.
I'm impressed at how Flickr magically sorts one's photos into "animals, nature, people, bicycles.." etc., so there are some real-life examples of AI
18:23
I was trying to look for the page I ran into a few weeks ago. It goes into another direction of language learning, listing the same basic phrases in many languages. It's kinda cute, imho. Sadly, I couldn't find it.
@CopperKettle nods -- That kinda thing is not that new, but it always looks cool.
Good night, @DamkerngT.!
Good night!
Night Cu Kettle.
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Oh, a nice pun!
18:53
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A: Does there exist an adjective which means "self-doubted"?

RathonyFirst of all, you need to be careful when you use compound adjectives such as "X + -ed", "X + -ful", or "X + -ing", etc. It is very confusing but it has to be understood from the verb usage, i.e. "intransitive"/"transitive" or "active"/"passive". You doubt about yourself, and you are not doubte...

Hmm... I think self-doubting or self-doubt in English is not quite the same thing as the OP's situational self-doubting. Maybe I read his idea wrong.
But when we don't trust ourselves, it doesn't mean that we lack confidence in ourselves.
Could be a cultural thing.
Similarly, in English, being confident doesn't mean that one is too proud.
I don't have exact words in English for สงสัยตัวเอง, ไม่ไว้ใจตัวเอง.
Rough translation: สงสัยตัวเอง ~ doubt/question oneself
ไม่ไว้ใจตัวเอง ~ do not trust oneself
Neither is quite the same thing as ไม่มั่นใจตัวเอง (unconfident).
19:22
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Q: The usage of ' all kinds '

aungWhat is the differences between ' all kinds of sports' and ' sports of all kind ' ? Explain me widely.I can't think it.

Thai parallel: กีฬาทุกประเภท, ทุกประเภทกีฬา
@DamkerngT. Can you explain him widely?
At least he didn't say "wildly".
I think I can't!
@DamkerngT. Also, lacks context.
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Q: Moderators' policy on bullying

ivanhoescottI would like to know the moderators' policy on bullying. It seems easy to bully a user. For it takes only 5 users who have sufficient reps to close a question.

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Q: Moderators' policy on zinging

user39720This is a response to Moderators’ policy on hectoring, a response itself to Moderators' policy on bullying. This post takes issue with zingers, or observations (usually witty, humorous, or exaggerated) about a post's flaws. If I asked a question titled "Question about the word Ecomony", some exa...

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Q: Moderators’ policy on hectoring

tchristWhat should we do about hectoring? A flurry of hectoring[1] comments has appeared both on the main ELU site and also here on ELU’s meta. I seek clarification on the following questions three: What is the SE policy — and in particular, our own moderators’ collective position — on hectoring? How...

Hehe
19:39
Hey @Dam did you upvote the first one? ಠ_ಠ
I didn't upvote anything.
Well it got an upboat from nowhere, so I thought our nice guy felt sad for them. :P
Had you seen it mentioned somewhere else before you posted it here?
No.
Riiiight, and it took you six days to come up with that rebuke. This is the last you'll hear from me. I'm sure that will come as a relief to you. Ciao! — Mari-Lou A Nov 9 '14 at 17:50
The fire burns.
Let sleeping dogs lie.
I chose to leave the meta posts here because I think discussions on bullying and such are also about language, as long as we're not part of them.
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Q: What is the name of the box which keeps software CD?

kittyI don't know its exact name or how do you call this box in English: The CDs inside the box are essential and required to be installed before the paid hardware can fully function. I don't own this box. I found it somewhere on the Internet. I came up with the question, so I typed in some keyword...

Hey, I've got a cheap one of that!
Oh, I misunderstood. Mine is not for DJs. It's just a good but cheap mixer.
19:49
It's interesting how lacking fluency in a language tends to give rise to alarming and defensive interpretations.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I think it depends on one's personality.
@DamkerngT. Of course, in implications and interactions, there are many factors at play. The mood the person was in and the situation is important.
Even the smell of the place is important! :)
Hah! (but true)
20:10
@DamkerngT. No really! Amygdala and temporal lobes are close to each other.
20:20
I think the meaning in this context was more like "if you put the effort into finding another job, you'll be OK" with a strong subtext of "not my problem, go away". (It has been quite a few years since I've watched that movie, but it was one of my favorites.) — Harry Johnston 19 hours ago
Oh, that matches my thought, actually.
Here is my guess (I haven't seen the movie) based on American football. If he were to say something longer: "You tried. You didn't succeed. You punt, and wait for your turn, hoping that your defense team will play well so you will get back to the field to play again soon." — Damkerng T. 2 hours ago
I missed his comment when I found the question.
Anonymous
20:59
I finally made the yakisoba I was talking about making the other day! :-)
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21:40
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