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4:52 AM
 
5:49 AM
I'm lost in the maze!
 
6:02 AM
in ELL's Cabin, 7 hours ago, by jimsug
Yeah, they're called.... interlinear glosses?
in ELL's Cabin, 7 hours ago, by snailboat
See also: https://www.eva.mpg.de/lingua/resources/glossing-rules.php
 
6:26 AM
Whoa... a short phrase such as upon which we rang changes every day is so unique.
I got curious because of this comment:
Not in American English! As per the page you linked, the idiom "ring the changes" means to make more interesting in the British and Australian use. In American English, "to ring the changes" means to go through all possible permutations of something (which is what change ringing, in the original sense referring to bells, literally means) with an implication of obsessing/reveling over details. Though I don't think it pertains in this example, the AmEng sense can be used to imply that which is so described is tedious and the variations meaningless. And the source text in question is AmEng. — Codeswitcher 1 hour ago
 
7:12 AM
> Can I use request/demand/require this was?
It's easy, right? once we know that it should be "way".
> Can I use "request/demand/require" this way?
But it took me three times before I realized that!
 
I really parsed his original version wrong then.
How do you type an s for a y anyhow?
 
@tchrist I don't know. Somehow it clicked the third time.
 
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Q: Is "I'm writing to request the username "log" be released." correct?

ErnestThis sentence left me thinking: I'm writing to request the username "log" be released. Is this sentence grammatically correct, or is it missing something?

I wondered whether those might be the same question.
 
Could be. Though the text in the question body looks better on ELU.
I'll admit that my typos could be far worse than typing was for way.
 
7:32 AM
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Q: make root beer in the toilet

Cookie MonsterFrom the movie Jurassic World (2015). Two boys wandered off into a restricted area for tourists to take a closer look at other dinosaur species that live in the park. While they're out there, their aunt, who's the president of the park, is ringing alarm bells at the control room to find them. He...

Sociolinguistics!
 
7:52 AM
TIL, Hermès is pronounced /ɛərˈmɛz/.
(Actually, it sounds more like /ɛrˈmɛz/ to me, on The Insider.)
 
8:50 AM
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Q: "As" and "That"

starun008 Such boys will be rewarded by the principal as obtain good marks. Such was the condition that/as was the treatment. (Both are correct) I like the same perfume as she (likes). I shall buy the same perfume that my friend bought. I am confused here where to use that and as. I mean why it uses "as...

> Such boys will be rewarded by the principal as obtain good marks.
I think it doesn't sound very natural.
 
9:13 AM
Agreed
 
9:33 AM
Yay!
Hello, @jimsug
 
Hey there.
It's been a slow day.
 
Definitely.
I think it's usually slow on Sat and Sun.
 
Yeah.
 
9:52 AM
Anybody home?
 
Yush
 
Okay, Jimsug... want to know what Enya sings here in this song
2:26 to 2:40
 
Yup. BTW, you know that this is not the main ELL room, right? @MaulikV
 
It's not just humming .... she (and chorus) sing something
 
9:54 AM
I know
 
Good, good. :D
 
Oh wait
I see, between the verses. Hmm
 
I know lyrics sites
yes
 
Let me hear it too...
 
first I thought that there's nothing..but I see her lipsing
one of my FAVV songs
something like ".... here are they...." "here we are...."
not sure!
 
9:56 AM
I think she doesn't say anything. A sort of humming or hymn.
I don't think her lips match the song.
 
I think she's just vocalising, to be honest.
 
but check her lips
 
That's normal in music videos.
 
oh...
ree raa re re ... ree raa re re...
 
Yeah, it does sound like what you suggest, but... hmm.
yeah
Even if it's more like the Japanese taps.
 
9:57 AM
Her lips move.... so I thought she's singing
 
Hehe! I thought of Japanese /r/ too. :D
 
I love this song...
used in the Epic Split of Volvo ad
 
It's a very nice song.
 
awesome it is
 
PS, the beta label has come off the site :)
 
9:59 AM
Enya always sounds mystique.
 
true...
 
Oh! Neat!
 
I know... the 'beta' thing
check the number of 'views'
 
@MaulikV By the way, you may be interested in the McGurk effect.
 
what's taht?
Oh I see
 
10:00 AM
Oooh, does it work on non-native speakers as well as it does on native speakers?
 
@jimsug I think it could. It happens to me too, but not every time.
 
Hey, it seems interesting Damkerng
Wiki has a lot to offer there!
 
Yep! When the video tells you one thing and the audio tells you another.
 
Jimsug, are you American?
 
Jimsug is from another continent! :-)
 
10:02 AM
Australian :)
 
Oh I see... but we all are acquainted with American accent... now see there
Van Damme's accent
He speaks like Arnold Schwarzenegger!
 
I think so. Even in Europe, English learners tend to learn American English.
 
But Van's accent is not American
is it?
 
Everyone has their own accent.
@jimsug In Australia, do people use a comma before the last and or or in a list?
 
@DamkerngT. This is true, but it's more like everyone's copying an old VHS... every time you copy it, it distorts it slightly.
@DamkerngT. It depends on who you ask, or which style guide they're using, etc.
 
10:05 AM
Indeed!
@jimsug I asked that because of this question:
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Q: A possibly erroneous use of "or" in a complex sentence

CopperKettleJust to make sure: isn't this an erroneous use of or? For example, the transfer of antibiotic resistance genes to a pathogen has the potential to compromise human or animal therapy (Bennett et al., 2004), transfer of a viral gene to a non-homologous virus may result in an emerging disease (F...

I really, really want to have a comma before that or.
 
> The water, coffee or tea?
Hmm, I think I'm inclined to put a comma there as well... but I wouldn't correct it if it were absent.
 
nods
 
If you listen to the music video, it sounds a lot more like ra ri ra ra than words, I think.
 
Welcome!
 
10:13 AM
@jimsug I first thought that only. But then when the second time the 'ra ri ra' comes, she starts moving her lips
And I got led away by McGurk Effects :)
@jimsug to me, it has only two choices: 1) water; 2) coffee or tea!
 
But then, the statement is ungrammatical, isn't it?
 
BTW, in that McGurk clip, there is no /b/ sound for me, actually, not even once.
 
really?
what do you hear? /p/?
 
It's because the way he pronounces it moves away from the normal /b/ enough, to fall into another phoneme in my first language.
It's an unaspirated /p/.
 
10:17 AM
Yeah, I thought so.
I can hear it, but English doesn't have an unaspirated /p/ in that context.
 
nods
 
Hmm, let me listen to McGurk.
BTW I'm not sure which keyword we should start cleaning first. "correct", "gramma" or "difference"?
 
there's FA and PA
tested for the effect
 
I think his intention was English /ba/ vs. /va/.
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Titles, you mean?
 
10:20 AM
Yeah.
 
No, your both lips touch when you say 'PA' but when the lower lip touches teeth, it's 'FA' but here...in both the cases, it's PA
this is amazing!
:)
 
I believe that most native speakers will hear it as "ba".
Don't use your first language ear.
 
Yeah. It's difficult to even hear that it's not aspirated
 
How did you know this effect? Damkerng?
 
Why is the guy calling Baba?
 
10:23 AM
Because I can hear English.
And during my listening practice, I ran into it.
I didn't really pay attention to it, but snailboat mentioned it again at some point.
I can't remember when.
 
I see
 
Look at the comments. Facepalm
 
Such things occurring once... and I never forget it... never ever!
 
On YouTube, right?
 
"Youtube commenters are inherently sheep" - My observation says.
 
10:25 AM
I think they don't filter anything.
 
no they dont
they can't actually
 
nods
 
Ever since typing in 'other languages' has been made possible
it's difficult to keep a watch
on anything that flows in
I can spell the worst word of Hindi in English... and bots cannot detect it
 
Well this is what so-called freedom does to humans.
Do we really want to be free?
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M fully agree
 
10:27 AM
How philosophical.
It's not freedom, it's more... equality.
 
During the riots ...recently... the Internet was shut down ACROSS THE STATE
 
@jimsug Remind me to remind you next time to slap me when I got this philosophical again.
 
can you believe that?
 
Well, I say equality, but I mean less inequality, as more of the world gets connected.
@MaulikV Yeah, I heard/read about that.
 
10:28 AM
In India, it's getting from bad to worst
social media...and media itself
 
Governments surprise me all the time. I've stopped not believing the news about what they do or have done.
 
Recently, a girl posted a picture of a guy who was just looking at her...and she claimed that he abused her...and molested...
the pic went viral...and there was a great outrage across the nation
finally... the probe proved that he did nothing... and there was backfire to the girl
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I've stopped watching local/national news for past 4 months!
 
Vsauce is still as awesome as it gets.
 
seems to be interesting.. bookmarked!
 
@MaulikV You should totally watch all of the Vsauce and Vsauce3's videos if you want to look at everything around you in a nerdy way.
 
10:34 AM
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M done!
 
You watched all of them? O.o
 
no no... done...means bookmarked
subscribed!
done was for 'bookmarked' from the previous sentence!
 
I thought bookmarked would mean that you'd already bookmarked it.
 
Ugh, finally have an SEDE query that works on all eligible moderator candidates: data.stackexchange.com/law/query/363044/…
 
When you replied to my last message, it implied that you were talking about what I was talking about, which wasn't bookmarking.
 
10:36 AM
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M This is the problem with asynchronous communication.
 
The beginning of it.
 
Isn't our chat interface charming?
 
All previous queries worked only on a specific userid, or iterated over a range of set of userids.
@DamkerngT. I think mine looks different :3
 
@DamkerngT. I think Prince Charming was defeated in Shrek 3.
 
10:38 AM
Oh! That's really different!
 
oh... dark dark
 
@jimsug userscript?
 
Hmm, it must be Fredley's.
I'm not in the mood of clicking github links today.
 
So, are we going to have it here? on ELL as well?
 
10:39 AM
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M It's based off Fredley's Chrome extension, yes.
 
customized?
 
@MaulikV No, that's something I've installed in my browser.
 
Ah, okay!
 
@jimsug No, Fredley's Chrome extension is based off these scripts.
 
It makes things confusing when sending screenshots of things.
 
10:40 AM
@MaulikV Take a look at StackApps.
Hmm, does chat one-box Stackapps? [Stackapps]
 
Okai!
 
Nope.
@jimsug Every once in a while I try the dark theme and freak out in fear and turn it back.
 
Really?
 
Oh well, law people must be shabby.
 
Well, time for teaching...now.. taking some seminar... bbye!
 
10:41 AM
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Nah, it doesn't work.
 
@jimsug In real world.
 
Heh.
I find it easier on the eyes.
 
@jimsug It is.
 
@jimsug It is.
 
squinting... is that me?
 
10:43 AM
But not everyday is Halloween.
@DamkerngT. That's a deadly disease knows as squintenorrhea.
 
Does anyone here use an Android device?
 
I used to.
 
@jimsug I do.
Not now, but I do.
 
Do you use the Google Survey Rewards apps?
 
Nope.
(Advice may be broken due to Google's hatred towards Iranian IPs)
 
10:55 AM
Ah, well then.
Ah.
 
11:13 AM
Native speakers break this rule frequently when speaking. Native speakers who break this rule in writing are liable to not do as well on the SAT as those who follow it. — Brian Hitchcock 2 hours ago
Very good point!
 
 
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12:20 PM
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A: Is the verb wrong in "There is twenty horses"?

Victor BazarovIt is an error by pure grammatical rules. Recently (probably within a few decades), the tendency to use "there is" as an idiom regardless of the number of the following noun phrase can be observed in the speech (and writing in media and nowadays on FB and the likes) by the members of the public ...

This is a good answer, but I don't know if it's accurate.
 
 
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1:35 PM
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Q: what does the bold part mean?

nimaThe play was dated as early as the 490’s B.C., in any event, well before Aeschylus’ play The Persians of 472 B.C. Then, in l952, a fragment of papyrus found at Oxyrhynchus was published stating the official circumstances and results of a dramatic contest. Would you please show me in a dictionar...

This is very close to asking, what does 'and' mean?
(Or 'or', or 'I', etc.)
How can we develop the sense of language in learners?
I guess TEFLs would know some part of the answer.
Metalinguistic awareness refers to the ability to objectify language as a process as well as an artifact. The concept of metalinguistic awareness is helpful to explaining the execution and transfer of linguistic knowledge across languages (e.g. code switching as well as translation among bilinguals). Metalinguistics can be classified as the ability to consciously reflect on the nature of language, by using the following skills: an awareness that language has a potential greater than that of simple symbols (it goes beyond the meaning) an awareness that words are separable from their referents (meaning...
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Does Persian have a similar word to then (in the meaning "after that")?
 
Yes.
بعد.
(Literally, it means "after", not "after that" though)
Also سپس.
@Dam this one is closer to what you're looking for.
 
Thanks!
 
 
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6:15 PM
The two main methods are using "We" and using the passive voice. Another possible method is to refer to your team in the third person (along with other terms such as "the researchers", "the team", and so on). — Damkerng T. 2 mins ago
I think that's about it.
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A: How to use "no" and "not"?

ultrasawbladeA is wrong, but B and C are OK. B and C mean the same thing. Not is an adverb and can modify a verb or other modifier. It cannot modify a non-proper noun (but can modify a proper noun or pronoun - e.g. "not him", "not them", "not James", etc.) No is a determiner - it falls into the same categ...

Of 'not' and 'no'...
I think the poster was tripped up by the context.
 
 
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Anonymous
8:21 PM
@MaulikV A classic demonstration of integrated sensory processing! Speakers use information not only from listening but from seeing as well, because it's more efficient to do so.
 
Anonymous
We all start out able to distinguish the sounds of every language, no matter what language our parents speak.
 
Anonymous
But we gradually learn how to process the relevant information more and more efficiently, until we've become specialized in listening to our native languages.
 
Anonymous
At that point, we've trained ourselves to discard irrelevant information and practiced taking in all the relevant information we can.
 
Anonymous
So learning another language becomes more difficult, not because we can't hear the contrasts in other languages, but because we've practiced not hearing them. We've become specialists in our native languages.
 
Anonymous
Not just in terms of phonetics and phonology, but in terms of lexicon.
 
Anonymous
8:24 PM
Not everyone integrates visual information in listening.
 
Anonymous
Our abilities to listen develop organically and are different for everyone.
 
Anonymous
But the McGurk effect does work for most native speakers of English.
 
Anonymous
It does not work for my housemate, who is legally blind but has an exceptionally good ear for phonetics.
 
8:45 PM
@snailboat That's Chomsky's fault: “One way to test the adequacy of a grammar proposed for L is to determine whether or not the sequences that it generates are actually grammatical, i.e., acceptable to a native speaker (Syntactic Structures, 1957).”
 
Anonymous
@StoneyB But if you read it in context, part of the point of that work was to distinguish acceptability and grammaticality.
 
Anonymous
He writes: "...the notion 'grammatical' cannot be identified with 'meaningful' or 'significant' in any semantic sense."
 
Anonymous
Hence, colorless green ideas.
 
@snailboat Oh, yah. But nobody quotes that part. An author's reputation rests on what people remember him saying.
 
Anonymous
In Aspects (1965) he started using the term "acceptability" in contrast to "grammaticality" to make it clearer.
 
8:50 PM
I prolly have an even more restricted sense of grammar than you: in my day grammar did not include syntax, just morphology. People used to say things like "English has practically no grammar."
 
Anonymous
A lot of generative linguists include phonology in grammar.
 
Anonymous
It's the "phonological component" of grammar.
 
(Don't tell anybody, but when I was in high school phonology didn't exist. Just "spelling".)
 
Anonymous
Hah.
 
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