Language Overflow

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

8:28 AM

Hullo @puputeh24! Please visit ELL's Cabin for discussion.

Damkerng T.

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A: "All" vs. "All the"

The rule is the same as with any other use of the... 'All' makes no difference If you are talking about a specific group, you would use the: Pass me all the apples in the bowl If you are talking about apples as a 'thing' but not as individual apples, you would not use the: All apples a...

An interesting attempt to conceptualize the usage of the.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

\o

Damkerng T.

o/

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

How're you doing today?

Damkerng T.

lazily, I think. :-)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

8:41 AM

Aha, wait for it.

Damkerng T.

I've just noticed that the new search engine of SE chat doesn't work the way the old one did.

With the old one, you could type in singular, and the search would return all results, both singular and plural.

→ 32 messages moved to Title clean-up (Phase 1: Buzzword Hunt)

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in Title clean-up (Phase 1: Buzzword Hunt), 20 mins ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

So @Dam, may I ask you to move the messages in LO?

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M As you wish.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

9:23 AM

@DamkerngT. (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

12:23 PM

Wow, that's innovative!

Damkerng T.

12:33 PM

I'm sure I'm not gonna like it much, the way it is, but I can see its potential.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

12:44 PM

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Q: The problem with tags

The aim of Stackexchange of trying to deliver good answers to grammar questions is excellent, but nevertheless Stackexchange has still a lot to do. I have just read the post "Why is present perfect used in this sentence?" and given a comment. Then I looked at the posts with the tag "present perfe...

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@Dam I wonder what he's looking for.

Oww . . . I need to go to Kunf Fu class thingy . . . BB in two hours.

Damkerng T.

I think he has a point.

Have fun!

Damkerng T.

2:21 PM

Word of the Day (is it a word): paranoy

urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=paranoys

UD suggests that paranoy is a verb, meaning "to make someone paranoid by action or word".

If paranoy means what UD suggests, when it's used with oneself, it should have almost identical meaning to Thai's อย่าเก็บมาใส่ใจ.

Which is another not-easy-to-translate phrase. Usually, อย่าเก็บมาใส่ใจ is translated as "Don't care (that)." or "Don't pay attention (to that)." or "Don't worry about (what someone did or what happened)." but all these lose some sense of a new coined word นอย์ด which is derived from paranoid, but shortened to only the last syllable "noid".

And นอย์ด ("noid") is used as a verb.

(e.g. "Don't noid yourself.")

Anonymous

2:44 PM

I've never seen paranoy before. It sounds kind of like a blend of paranoid and annoy.

Damkerng T.

When the word นอย์ด became widely used, I guessed it was like "annoy" too, but as it turned out, it's more like using "paranoid" as a verb, like "extremely, and probably unreasonably worry about what happens".

But "paranoy" in English may be different. I'm not even sure if it's widely used.

tchrist

It's madey-uppy. Never heard it before.

Damkerng T.

3:01 PM

The difference between Google & Microsoft. http://t.co/RIdji3LzV8

Tweeted by ThBenkoe on September 5, 2015 at 6:19 PM

Very different...

tchrist

HSV would be more illuminating.

Damkerng T.

I guess that they probably use exactly the same set of hues.

tchrist

Microsoft's seem rotated a bit.

Their blue is towards cyan, their green towards chartreuse, their red towards scarlet.

tchrist

3:22 PM

          R G B    H    S      V
G blue    428554   136º  50.4% 52.2%
M blue    00A1F1   200º 100  % 94.5%

G green   34a853    52º  68.3% 64.3%
M green   7cbb00    80º 100.0% 73.3%

G yellow  fbbc05    45º  98.0% 98.4%
M yello   fbbb00    45º 100.0% 98.4%

G red     ea4335     5º  77.4% 91.8%
M red     fb5314    16º  92.0% 98.4%

Damkerng T.

Thanks!

Hmm... the blues and the greens aren't very close to those of the other set.

tchrist

Indeed.

Hello @Undo.

Undo

Hiya

Anonymous

I'm still not used to their 'e' :-(

Undo

Just saw a gallery room in the list and was kinda curious

tchrist

3:25 PM

heh

ELL seems to like galleries. Not sure what to make of that.

Damkerng T.

Oh, talking about the 'e', I think their fonts look very similar, almost identical.

tchrist

Sometimes I think different cultures have different color-phonemes, so to speak, buckets into which color-allophones fall.

Anonymous

They also change over time.

tchrist

Oh, are the Japanese finally learning green from blue? :)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Undo Hey!

The galleries have different purposes.

Undo

3:29 PM

Oy

Damkerng T.

@Undo If you like to talk about language and related stuff, this could be a room for you. ;-)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

This gallery was intended to avoid a conflict.

And it's a ch-blog™.

Anonymous

Yes, Japanese midori was historically a shade of ao, but in the last century midori came to be treated more as an independent color, although many fossilized uses of ao remain that confuse learners.

Damkerng T.

I haven't chblogged for a while.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

The other gallery is gallery to prevent random learners from coming and OT-ing it up.

@Undo ^

tchrist

3:30 PM

@snailboat Yeah, that's why I mentioned it.

Anonymous

I was just elaborating out of habit :-)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

K, whenever you guys are ready for boring searches and stuff, tell me.

tchrist

I dunno. All the gallery business feels a bit odd to me sometimes.

Damkerng T.

Its use hadn't crossed my mind until I realized its features.

I wonder if the Den still is a gallery room.

jimsug

The Den?

Damkerng T.

3:44 PM

It's a Meta.SE room.

jimsug

Ah

chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/721/shadows-den

That?

Damkerng T.

Yes!

They had to make it a gallery for a while.

tchrist

Oh, what was up?

Damkerng T.

I'm not sure, but I think it was similar to the reason why we have to keep flagging and deleting some questions on SE stacks.

tchrist

Notice how many pending access requests this room has. At least, I think that's what it means.

Undo

3:46 PM

@tchrist yep, that's what it means

tchrist

Is there some reason that those are still pending?

Nice colors.

Damkerng T.

@tchrist I don't know them, and I think those that I know aren't really interested in this room. They're just curious.

tchrist

Oh, isn't there a dismiss/deny option?

Damkerng T.

@tchrist There is, I think. But I think if they came back and really wanted to join this chat, they could use the main ELL room to say that.

tchrist

It just seems to be untidy to have all those unmarked.

Damkerng T.

3:54 PM

I don't want to make it too clear "who" I don't want to be in.

tchrist

I see.

Damkerng T.

I'm not a mod, and I don't want to kick anyone out of the room. So, I adopted this approach.

tchrist

It's your community. Just be careful of cliques.

Damkerng T.

nods

Let me try posting that color chart again.

tchrist

It’s interesting.

Damkerng T.

3:59 PM

(via 5550opinions.wordpress.com/2013/01/17/…. It seems like thelogocompany.net/blog made it.)

Indeed! Colors can communicate too.

And it has both Google's and Microsoft's logos on the chart.

I haven't noticed that Animal Planet's logo is green.

tchrist

They've basically divvied up the groupings into the 3 RGB primaries and the 3 CMY primaries.

Not quite.

Orange is in neither set.

And that's a pretty desaturated magenta.

They're probably trying for maximal perceptual distance.

And I think it is magenta that's more blue.

But I haven't checked.

Green, blue, violet, red, orange, yellow.

And grey and rainbow.

Damkerng T.

Come to think of it. I think I'm familiar with the "move messages" feature enough. (Just learned about it last month, iirc.) I think I could make it a public room. Earlier, I wished there would've been more mods around. (So passersby would think more carefully before they "roll" or unleashed their rage and such.)

room mode changed to Public: anyone may enter and talk

Probably not a good idea.

But what's done is done.

Now I may have to explain carefully every time when I have to.

Let's give it a try for a while and see how well it goes.

To find out what this room, Language Overflow, is all about: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/22243604#22243604

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

4:25 PM

@DamkerngT. Not sure if this is a good idea. Anyways.

Damkerng T.

I'll give it a try for a while.

If it makes most of us feel uncomfortable, I may turn it into a gallery once again.

But on second thought, this is the third try already. Hmm...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I may need to remind people to get OT talk back to Cabin more.

Damkerng T.

9 mins ago, by Damkerng T.

Now I may have to explain carefully every time when I have to.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@tchrist A train of flagging passed by. If you check their starboard, they're not as polite as other rooms I've met are. So the F-word appeared in a message, one of them started flagging, then the room split up into two "flagging is not cool" and "don't write a flaggable message" teams. An SE dev came in (only SE devs are mods there, as you know) and said "if you do this again, I'm gonna delete this room." The big Room Owner got angry, and kept it gallery for a while.

That's about it.

Damkerng T.

That's what happened at the Den?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

4:37 PM

Yep. Shadow Wizard is a nice and gentle guy, but some of the regulars there are kids almost my age. So they act chlidish sometimes.

Do I act childish sometimes? O.o

Damkerng T.

Childish in a silly way is okay, imo.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Then I'm always childish. ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ

Damkerng T.

:D

Anonymous

6:09 PM

@DamkerngT. Yeah. Well, you can just leave it public for now and address any problems as they come up. Making it gallery again is one way to do that, but you have other tools you can use. For example, kick-mute.

tchrist

Agree.

Anonymous

Kick-mute is remarkably ineffective in my experience, though.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Something that worries me is that as chat grows, there'll be more times when he's not around to kick.

Anonymous

But sometimes you can address problems with words without any need for special tools.

tchrist

I do not recall anyone ever being kicked out of ELU chat.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

6:11 PM

@snailboat That has proven to be wrong at least thrice on ELL. :\

Damkerng T.

@snailboat I had always thought that that would suffice.

Anonymous

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Emphasis on sometimes.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Well, let's see how this plays out.

Anonymous

I've already given up ownership of the ELL chat rooms.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Sitting around speculating what will happen will make me hallucinate, at least.

Anonymous

6:13 PM

If I have problems again, I'll probably just keep my distance.

Damkerng T.

Let's not paranoy ourselves.

I had a chance to use that word! :P

tchrist

Sufficient unto each day are the weevils thereof.

> It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till. What weather they shall have is not ours to rule.

Nice tip of the (pointy) hat to Lord Dunsany there.

Araucaria

10:59 PM

@StoneyB Just to let you know -if you're interested - that that question I've been boring everyone with now has a bounty on it.

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