Language Overflow

Damkerng T.

12:00

> เกิดขึ้น => เกิด-ขึ้น ("kerd-kuhn") = [born-up]

> เมื่อเช้า => เมื่อ-เช้า ("muha-chaaw") = [when-morning]

Do they make sense as separate words?

I think they do.

Let's try my version:

> 7b. ไม่-มี-อะไร-ที่-แปลก-เกิด-ขึ้น-เมื่อ-เช้า-นี้
Maj mii araj tii plaek kerd-kuhn muha-chaaw nii
not-have-what-THII-strange-born-up-when-morning-this

So, it's not a real problem. It's just a choice.

I think they either do that because it's easier in English, or else maybe the researchers were influenced by English in their Thai.

(To the point that เกิดขึ้น and เมื่อเช้า have become indivisible.)

Which makes me think...

Can we learn L2 with an absolute zero impact on our L1?

(My guess: maybe we can, but it's also tough work, maybe as tough as becoming near-native in L2. Could be tougher, even.)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. Improbable for humans/molecules. Not tested on robots.

Hey I posted a bug report on meta.SE.

Damkerng T.

Oh! What bug?

Saw it. Haha!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

No repro OSX Yosemite Chrome 44.0.2403.89 — ᔕᖺᘎᕊ 22 secs ago

Worried

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Oh, it's reproducible here. FF 24.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. Comment!

Damkerng T.

12:13

I don't wanna tell people that my FF is old.

But I will dump my screenshot here.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. Why?

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Q: Chat notification sounds have become like icicles repeatedly driven through my ears

(Yes, I said "through my ears", not just "into my ears".) It looks like HTML5 <audio> elements are now used to produce notification sounds in chat. And good heavens have they become startlingly loud. Please lower the volume of these notifications — or do whatever it is that needs to be done to ...

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Well, hmm..., well, let's say that old FF is actually bad.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It's actually kinda funny.

Damkerng T.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. IE is a legend there.

Damkerng T.

12:14

You could simply say Firefox, or a version of Firefox.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. I betrayed you.

Damkerng T.

Argh! -- sobbing

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Turn off that sob!

Robot sob is very annoyingly loud.

@DamkerngT. Using Win OS?

Damkerng T.

The one I used to dump the screen shot is Win 8.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Mine is Win8 too.

Damkerng T.

12:18

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Maybe it happens only on Windows.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Can you see if you repro it on something else?

Repro'd on Ubuntu 14.04 on Firefox 39.0. — jimsug 22 secs ago

@Jimsug, the greath stalker.

Damkerng T.

Nice!

LOL

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Seriously though, thanks @Jims.

Damkerng T.

Let's see how it looks like on my XP.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Same on XP.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Same on an evil guy with his tongue out?

1

A: Badge "multiplier" a little bit misaligned on the profile page

Upon doing the inspect element on Kevin Montrose's profile: I found the HTML code: <li> <a href="/help/badges/37/populist?userid=130213" title="gold badge: Highest scoring answer that outscored an accepted answer with score of more than 10 by more than 2x" class="badge"><span class="ba...

This guy's always inspecting elements.

Damkerng T.

12:26

:-)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Gosh how easy is it to gain repz on meta.SE.

So far I've gained some 450 rep outta my meta.SE answer.

Also repro'd it on Chrome 43 & Opera under Windows 8.1 — Sergey Litvinov 59 secs ago

Haha it's turned into a repro/norepro war now.

BTW @Dam that answerer - HackerKarma - I love that guy. He's really polite.

Unlike a lot of meta.SE regs.

Damkerng T.

Hey, it looks fine on Safari 8.

(OS X Yosemite, BTW)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Then they call that poor browser crappy.

@DamkerngT. ಠ_ಠ

Damkerng T.

Apparently, the developer team uses Mac OS X!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

No problem @ᔕᖺᘎᕊ. Someone just told me they can't repro on safari on OS X Yosemite. Which is kinda confusing. — inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M 16 secs ago

Now the guy says they repro.

Damkerng T.

12:34

Eww... everything on Mac OS X looks crisp. Way too crisp!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It's your turn to say you can repro.

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M AHHH - I was looking in the wrong place! I can repro! +1 :).. I kind of ignored your scrrenshot! :/ — ᔕᖺᘎᕊ 5 mins ago

Hah!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Safari OSX yosemite blah blah blah?

Damkerng T.

Yup!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

12:53

Ah man!

We're half through the day and I haz four votes left on meta.SE.

Damkerng T.

0

Q: Meaning of 'fat'

Could the word 'fat' mean 'big'? Here is the example, which I think 'fat' seems to mean 'big'. It was a knothole in the roof. He cocked his head to one side, shut one eye and put the other one to the hole, like a 'possum looking down a jug; then he glanced up with his bright eyes, gave a win...

meaning

The more I read it, the more I think Mark Twain didn't talk about birds!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

15:49

I'm back!

Damkerng T.

16:28

I shouldn't've left sound notifications on in another room...

So, I turned it off...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. WHY? ಠ_ಠ

Damkerng T.

Huh, weird! I thought sound notifications are room specific.

Oh, it's all or nothing.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Dam BTW I left a good comment.

Interesting, as you might say alright:

Some English songs use a pretty weird language/slanguage, along with their weird intonations and/or dialectal pronunciations, and as if that wasn't enough already, the words are drown in a sea of onomatopoeia use/misuse. On one aspect, listening to any English is good for listening. I've never heard ignoring what is being said is bad in any ways. It's actually beneficial. After all of that self-thoughts, I conclude this question is unfortunately rightfully VTC'd as "primarily opinion-based". You might go to English Language Learners Chat and discuss it though. You'll be highly welcome there! — inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M 32 mins ago

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M nods -- That's why we made that room, right?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Huh?

How is that related to

1 min ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Dam BTW I left a good comment.

Damkerng T.

16:33

It wasn't. It wasn't?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

1 min ago, by Damkerng T.

It wasn't. It wasn't?

6 secs ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

1 min ago, by Damkerng T.

It wasn't. It wasn't?

just now, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

6 secs ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

1 min ago, by Damkerng T.

It wasn't. It wasn't?

5 secs ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

just now, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

6 secs ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

1 min ago, by Damkerng T.

It wasn't. It wasn't?

6 secs ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

5 secs ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

just now, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

6 secs ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

1 min ago, by Damkerng T.

It wasn't. It wasn't?

5 secs ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

6 secs ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

5 secs ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

just now, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

6 secs ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

1 min ago, by Damkerng T.

It wasn't. It wasn't?

Damkerng T.

Could you stop that, please.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

OK.

It was a fun loop.

Damkerng T.

Thank you!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Jets.

Damkerng T.

16:37

Huh? You invited one user and got another instead?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yep.

Interestingly, all three of us are Iranian.

Damkerng T.

Strange. :-)

Oh, I see. I guess that's how it works.

The sound notifications come with four options.

> none, when mentioned, visible room, all my rooms.

None and all are easy to understand.

I don't know what "when mentioned" mean...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. It means in the rooms you're in.

Damkerng T.

Well, doesn't that mean "all my rooms"?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. No, that's when they ping you in math.SE. You'll hear it with that option. If you had visited math.SE a month ago.

Damkerng T.

16:43

Hmm... what does that mean in plain English (with examples would be nice)?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It means your "all time rooms".

Damkerng T.

Okay, I think I should lead the asking...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

You may not be in them currently, but if you're pingable, you'll hear a ping.

Lemme check it though.

Damkerng T.

Hmm... doesn't that the same for "all my rooms"?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Wait . . .

I mixed them up.

Damkerng T.

16:51

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I think it's one of the mysterious features of SE. :-)

I just want something simple, but maybe it doesn't go well with the way SE chat room was designed.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Simple?

5 hours ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

You kidding me?

Damkerng T.

Yes. Or reasonable. Or logical.

Um... why Ultron?!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Huh?

Damkerng T.

The "You kidding me?" was about The Avengers Ultron, right?

I don't know how to relate Ultron to chat room sound notifications!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I posted it as an standalone message thingy. Not to type it again.

I'm eating jalapeno-flavored chips again.

Damkerng T.

16:57

Huh? Is that easier for you?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yep.

Damkerng T.

Enjoy the chips!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Tanks!

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Strange. I thought typing "You kidding me?" or having something to type "You kidding me?" for you would be easier than pasting a chat message.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'm typing with one hand.

Keyboard is wider than mousepad.

Damkerng T.

16:59

Oh! That was possible with mouse-only.

Note to self: What is the most natural one? 'Probably, it was blah blah blah.' or 'It probably was blah blah blah.' or 'It was probably blah blah blah.'

Damkerng T.

Oops! Today I read 'tii' as 'tu'. Now I just read 'Here' as 'Hehe'!

I think I should have new eyeglasses...

0

A: Effects of listening to English music on English listening skill

I highly doubt that it would have a negative effect on your listening skills. Even without listening attentively to the lyrics, you will most likely improve. However, listening to songs should not be the only thing you do to improve. As mentioned in the comments on your question, songs often cont...

> As mentioned in the comments on your question, songs often contain slang. They can also contain wrong stress patterns in order to fit into the music.

I wonder how often that is.

Because I assume (and as far as I can tell), it's not very often at all.

(Let's don't count English songs composed by non-native speakers.)

Actually, I think an English song composed by a non-native speaker can tell a lot about the level of English skills of the composer.

A lot of English songs over here sound quite forced.

Not every song, though. -- Which is why I think it's about English skills.

> [...]

> July 12, 1995

>

> MANAGER

> RITZ CARLTON HOTEL

> 160 East Pearson Street

> Chicago, Ill. 60611

>

> Dear Sir:

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

17:25

I see swear words there/

>

Damkerng T.

> I wanted to know if you possibly found a Prussian military sword that I think I may have left in your hotel restaurant the night of Saturday, July 7th? I was in your men's room when I loosened the sword to go to the restroom.

>

> I am with a traveling group and was in costume the night I used your restroom. When I was washing my hands I noticed that your paper towel rack was empty. With wet hands I went over to a stall to get some tissue (You hand dryer was not working!)

>

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hah!

Damkerng T.

> I had to loosen my trousers to use the facility. In doing so I loosened the sword (actually took it off) and somehow forgot to put it back on when I pulled my trousers up again. That's how I think the sword may be in your restroom.

>

> The sword is a standard size sword in a jewled (fake) encrusted sheath. The sheath is crushed velvet (also fake). It was on a sword belt , size 36. It has no value other than as part of a costume I wear.

>

> Please contact me at the following address:

> [...] Nancy

> [...]

> [...], CA 91360

>

> Thank you very much for your help in this matter, Ritz Carlton.

>

> P.S. You have great sea bass!

>

> August 14, 1995

>

> Mr. [...] Nancy

> [...]

> [...], CA 91360

>

> Dear Mr. Nancy:

>

> Yours is one of the most interesting requests I have ever received. Candidly, I can't imagine any family who has lost a loved one wanting to see a mannequin that resembles that person.

>

> Of course, we want to respond to our customers as positively as possible, but we definitely do not sell display materials while they are being used by the company. I see no reason why (when it comes time for a change of mannequins) that we wouldn't sell it to you at the same price we would get from our normal resources.

>

> If you should be interested in that, simply talk to our store manager there at Glendale, [...], and she will let you know when the time comes. Unfortunately, mannequins are used for a number of years before they are phased out.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> [...] Nordstrom

>

> BAN/ks

>

> cc: [...], Store Manager, Glendale

> [...], Corporate Display Manager

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

17:41

How are these related?

Damkerng T.

They are correspondence.

From this book:

amazon.com/Letters-Nut-Ted-L-Nancy/dp/0380973545

11 mins ago, by Damkerng T.

> The sword is a standard size sword in a jewled (fake) encrusted sheath. The sheath is crushed velvet (also fake). It was on a sword belt , size 36. It has no value other than as part of a costume I wear.

:-)

7 mins ago, by Damkerng T.

> Yours is one of the most interesting requests I have ever received. Candidly, I can't imagine any family who has lost a loved one wanting to see a mannequin that resembles that person.

LOL

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hah!

Hahaha!

Damkerng T.

> He's the proud owner of Charles, a 36-year-old cat who owes his longevity to a pet food company.

I think I could use that sometimes. :P

Damkerng T.

18:30

The more I read What Stumped the Blue Jays, the more I think it's not about birds.

It turns out I'm not alone.

>
Personality is a large characteristic that makes humans identity what it is. Twain talks about personality in the story by saying that jays will lie, steal, deceive, and betray. These negative personifications for the blue jays are directly reflected on humans and I believe that this is a direct insinuation on the people around Twain at the time. This could have been because this story took place post civil war, but only by about ten years, and there was still a lot of backstabbing and lying going on at that time.

>
The second reason of why the blue jays symbolize humans is because people have different ways of coping with difficult problems. Some swear at the problem, while others theorize about why the problem is happening, and finally others will search for a different approach to the problem. All of these different approaches, when working together, can solve any problem, even just a simple hole in the roof.

>
Twain exemplifies this by stating, “There must have been five thousand of them; and such another jawing and disputing and ripping and cussing, you never heard. Every jay in the whole lot put his eye to the hole and delivered a more chuckle-headed opinion about the mystery than the jay that went there before him”(Pg. 162). This quote shows when the problem of the hole was at its ultimate annoyance and how the different jays worked through the problem.

From: engl161234.blogspot.com/2014/05/…

All this should be obvious to most Americans, I think.

It would be more obvious for people who lived in that era.

Damkerng T.

18:52

0

Q: Does anyone know what this means?

Alongside the Queen, we were delighted to deliver a speech to the MPs. Does this mean A) We were delighted to deliver a speech to the MPs and the Queen. or B) The Queen and we were delighted to deliver a speech to the MPs. ?

clauses

A weird sentence.

Oh, wait. Maybe it's not weird. It's MPs, not PM.

What's weird is that "Alongside the queen, * were" is really rare.

It's not only rare. It's nil!

(All results are false positives.)

Note to self: Which is more natural between 'All results are false positive' and 'All results are false positives'?)

> Alongside my equally in-over-their-heads coworkers, I can only fumble about, trying to learn every aspect of this rapidly changing world and rebuilding the engine as I go.

Okay, I think it's probably okay.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. The latter.

The former is good with an a.

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Hmm... I think false positive can be used as adjective too.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

But that's not natural. Artificially synthesized.

Damkerng T.

I think it's like the choices between: I'm American and I'm an American.

Both are valid.

To the corpus!

Both are in use. Google Ngram suggests that "are false positives" is more common.

But!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

19:09

Tub!

Damkerng T.

I've just learned that we should not always trust the charts produced by Google Ngram.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Bah.

Damkerng T.

Hmm... where is that link!?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I trust them in this case because they prove me right.

Damkerng T.

Oh, you are one of them, those who would look until they found a result that agrees with them!?

(I guess not so few researchers are like that.)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

19:11

That personality ~~disease~~ trait was started by me.

Damkerng T.

LOL

Damkerng T.

19:33

Strange, are false [positive] . returns no results for "are false positive ." only for "are false positives ."

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Kisses his opinion

Damkerng T.

But!

There are some positive results in: https://www.google.com/search?q="are+false+positive"

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Dam are false positive is treating false positives as an adj, K, but it's a long adj. It's like saying "My thunder-strike-like-even-though-they're-sometimes-wrong ideas are very surprising-but-funny-enough-to-share." is natural.

Damkerng T.

I think the corpus and the search tools don't treat the hyphenated version differently.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

That isn't the point.

The long adj. version is always less natural.

Unless it's a meme or what.

Damkerng T.

19:38

Oh, you mean, when they write it as an adjective in the books?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Bingo.

Smart robot!

Damkerng T.

Nah, false-positive is not long, at least for me.

> One or more patch tests are false-positive (§ 3.12).

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

BTW we ran into an issue in chem.SE.

Damkerng T.

> --Unwanted Effects of Cosmetics and Drugs Used in Dermatology

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It seems fixed, but I want you to know it.

Damkerng T.

19:40

What was the issue?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. Is that natural?! You realize what that book is?

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M There are several authors of the book.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

in The Periodic Table, 34 mins ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

How does it exactly look in ChemSketch and in chem.SE?

Damkerng T.

(Though I doubted that myself too.)

Huh? What is this it?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. Are you kidding? That's pharmacology . . . Wait, even worse . . . dermatology! How in the world is it natural?

Damkerng T.

19:42

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Isn't it a context that we would expect the word false-positive appears?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. Their ChemSketch drawing get messed up when saved as .png or .jpeg.

Damkerng T.

Hah!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. My parents are more unnatural than you think.

Damkerng T.

Oh, like those JPG thing on Meta.SE!

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M LOL

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yeah.

Damkerng T.

19:45

peeking at MAR's recent Meta question...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Nothing much is going on there.

Damkerng T.

Huh? It's not on the first page!?

Oh! Actually it is...

Anonymous

20:19

@DamkerngT. The former is ungrammatical

Damkerng T.

@snailboat @inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M must be smiling now. :-)

Hello!

And thanks!

How many was it? The max. number of comments under a post?

10 hours ago, by snailboat

> add a comment | show 471 more comments

Found another one! ell.stackexchange.com/a/57706/3281

> add a comment | show 193 more comments

Damkerng T.

20:38

You can't augment what isn't there. So the writer misused "augment". — Brian Hitchcock Feb 3 at 12:06

I missed that comment the first time!

Good point.

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