Language Overflow

Damkerng T.

15:34

I like his The Rock a lot more.

Maybe I'm like the old guy in the old theater in Transformers 4.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Who?

Trying to remember the film

Damkerng T.

The one who was nagging about sequel movies nowadays in the scene when Mark Wahlberg bought Optimus Prime.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Oh!

I still don't remember him.

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Poor old guy!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hmm, he was the one that sold the old truck (Optimus) to Cade?

Damkerng T.

15:41

There were two guys at the theater. I'm not very sure, but I think they were father and son.

The one who was nagging was the father.

(And the son was nagging about his father. :P)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Before the scene in which Cade's friend threw a baseball?

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Oh, yes. His character's name is Cade. (I wasn't sure about the spelling until now.)

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Exactly!

Wait, it was Cade who thew the ball at his friend.

An American football.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

And then the friend who threw the ball which hit himself.

Damkerng T.

Hmm... maybe there is a specific name of it.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Oh, he threw it back? I missed that part!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

He didn't. He threw the ball somewhere funny I don't remember.

Damkerng T.

15:44

In any case, saying 'an American football ball' is weird.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Ahh... I remember that he fell back on his bottom because he couldn't catch the ball.

Then Cade mentioned something about it was why his friend couldn't join the team. (When they were young, I presume.)

I feel like the movie was too long. When I feel that, there usually is something wrong with the script.

Or the storyboard.

Today I learned: the ball used in American football is called an American football.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. But in America, it's generally just a football :-)

Damkerng T.

@snailboat That makes sense!

Anonymous

And we call the other kind a soccer ball.

Damkerng T.

I guess that nobody would say an American football ball.

(I was smiling saying/typing it. :-)

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Be careful! Paracetamol is hepatotoxic. Brufen is a less scary choice :-)

Anonymous

15:53

@DamkerngT. Hehe! But I guess everyone would understand it... :-)

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Ah, I can't take Brufen.

Anonymous

Oh no!

Anonymous

You must have told me that once.

Damkerng T.

I'm allergic to brufen.

Anonymous

A-ha

Damkerng T.

15:54

Probably.

Anonymous

Paracetamol always makes me worry since it has such a narrow therapeutic margin and since it can be a lot worse if you're doing anything else that taxes your liver

Anonymous

So I always hope people who take it are careful :-)

Damkerng T.

nods -- Aspirins are also popular over here.

Though it's probably nothing any better than paracetamol.

Anonymous

Well, for most people it's significantly less dangerous

Anonymous

Although if you have a salicylate allergy, aspirin is out of the question!

Damkerng T.

15:57

It's complicated, how human bodies work!

Anonymous

Sure is.

Damkerng T.

I remember that in a novel by Michael Crichton, he wrote something along the lines, it's almost an impossible task to clean a human body without killing the human first. :P

Something I can only remember vaguely from The Andromeda Strain.

Anonymous

Ah, I haven't read that yet

Damkerng T.

@snailboat It's one of my favorite novels. Perhaps it's because it's the first of his novels that I've ever read.

And it wasn't too thick.

CopperKettle

16:13

2

Q: Is "It is less than 1 minute to print the paper" correct?

I know that we can write the sentence in the title as It takes less than 1 minute to print the paper. But is It is less than 1 minute to print the paper. also correct? What I want to emphasize is that it is very fast to print the paper.

grammar

To me the second sentence seemed passable.

Good evening all!

Anonymous

"It's less than one minute to print the paper" is possible in context.

Anonymous

When you see the sentence by itself, it sounds a little odd.

Anonymous

I think it sounds a little more odd if you accidentally uncontract it is.

Damkerng T.

I think it may sound less odd in the past tense.

(But that would change the intended meaning.)

Anonymous

What context could it appear in in the past tense?

Anonymous

16:17

I guess a similar context...

Damkerng T.

Like the OP is telling someone that they spent less than a minute to print that paper.

I'm not sure; I think it also sounds odd with takes (because of the the), but it could work in the narrative present.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

What the heck?

Anonymous

"It takes less than one minute to print the paper." seems fine to me.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

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Damkerng T.

So, maybe is works too.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

16:19

o.O

What's happening?

Damkerng T.

@snailboat As a future use of the simple present?

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M What?

What happened?

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. No, it's a statement in general about how long printing the paper takes.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'm seeing chat messages in the font SE uses for codes.

Anonymous

It's not located in time.

Anonymous

You mean for "code", not "codes"?

Damkerng T.

16:20

@snailboat Hmm... a general statement with the? -- trying to fit it in a context...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yeah.

I'm too amazed to use correct grammar now.

Anonymous

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CopperKettle

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Maybe there's something with your settings?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Damkerng T.

Aww!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

16:21

This is how I see it.

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Hey, that looks cool!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It's kinda cool though.

Yeah.

CopperKettle

@snailboat A nice coderaptor!

Anonymous

It looks as though you changed your default font.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I didn't do anything!

I blame @Dam.

Anonymous

16:22

I'd personally recommend they avoid the versions with be, since in general I think people will find them to be not as good.

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I wonder why you got that as the third button after the input box. :-)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

What third button?

Hey and MathJax works.

@snailboat How could I have done that? Assuming I have.

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M The one with the label ಠ_ಠ. :D

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

ಠ_ಠ

Well blame Porkchat for that.

Whoa, my internet seems faster now.

Damkerng T.

Oh! Porkchat... never tried it.

CopperKettle

16:31

"Dark theme - a light-on-dark theme with optional fixed-width font" - could be quite taxing for one's eyes

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

You can turn that off.

I wonder if you really installed porkchat.

CopperKettle

No.. The current chat seems okay.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It's not okay when someone posts an annoying GIF. . .

Give me a minute. ..

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Only GIF (animated?) or any kind of image?

I just realized that I don't understand the OP (Is "It is less than 1 minute to print the paper" correct?):

> What I want to emphasize is that it is very fast to print the paper.

They mean "a page" perhaps.

CopperKettle

"No one knows when her statue was erected at the center of that village, or who created it." - I wonder shouldn't it be in the center..

Damkerng T.

16:38

But less that a minute a page is very slow!

CopperKettle

@DamkerngT. Maybe they mean a scientific paper, which could number dozens of pages

Damkerng T.

@CopperKettle Could be. Which makes it even mind-boggling for me: "it is very fast to print the paper", what is really fast? The printer, perhaps.

CopperKettle

@DamkerngT. Maybe this it is a "job it", kinda like the "weather it" in "it is below 14C now".

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. Any kinda image.

It increases the image opacity unless you hover over.

Damkerng T.

I feel like the it in the twp example sentences are dummy-its, but it's not a dummy-it in "it is very fast to print the paper".

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Ahhhh

Hmm... could be a dummy it.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

16:43

This is kinda cool, but I have to zoom in a lot for a vigorous look.

Damkerng T.

> Its strength is that it is very fast to implement, taking weeks where others might take overayear.

> Given a proper coloring with three colors, it is fast to verify that it is indeed a proper coloring.

Looks like a dummy-it.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

17:31

@DamkerngT. Define dummy-it.

Damkerng T.

Wikipedia may be helpful...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Bah, are you making me open a new tab?!

Damkerng T.

Dummy pronoun

A dummy pronoun, also called an expletive pronoun or pleonastic pronoun, is a pronoun used for syntax without adding further meaning. An example is the "it" in "it is raining". Dummy pronouns are used in many Germanic languages such as English. Pronoun-dropping languages such as Spanish, Portuguese, Chinese, and Turkish do not require dummy pronouns. A dummy pronoun is used when a particular verb argument (or preposition) is nonexistent (it could also be unknown, irrelevant, already understood, or otherwise "not to be spoken of directly"), but when a reference to the argument (a pronoun) is...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It is a dummy thingy, I get it it it it it.

Damkerng T.

:D

Basically, you use it because it's syntactically required, not because it really refers to anything.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

17:35

Hmm it.

Damkerng T.

It's the it that is the it.

Anonymous

"It's raining." "What's raining?" "Uh... the sky? I guess?"

Anonymous

A dummy is something that doesn't change the meaning of the sentence.

Anonymous

Dummy = meaningless

Anonymous

> 1. She likes snails.
> 2. She doesn't like snails.

Anonymous

17:37

In sentence 2, we need to add the dummy auxiliary do

Anonymous

Because we can negate do, but we can't negate like:

Anonymous

> 3. *She likes snails not.

Anonymous

> 4. *She likesn't snails.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat That's poetic!

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Right, it's archaic.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

17:39

Nah, that's wrong. It should be:

> Not she likes snails.

Or

> She no like snails.

Anonymous

Notice that sentences 1 and 2 carry the same meaning, apart from the negation. The verb do doesn't any add meaning.

Anonymous

It's there for a purely grammatical reason.

Anonymous

So we call it a dummy.

Anonymous

The same thing goes for dummy it:

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It's cold today?

Anonymous

17:40

> 5. [That it's a forgery] is clear.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It it it it it.

Anonymous

> 6. *＿＿ is clear [that it's a forgery].

Anonymous

> 7. It is clear [that it's a forgery].

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'm starting to hate this font.

Anonymous

In example 5 we have a subordinate clause in subject position.

Anonymous

17:41

In example 6, we move it out of subject position to the end of the sentence. This is called extraposition.

Anonymous

But example 6 is ungrammatical because it leaves us without an explicit subject in a finite matrix clause.

Anonymous

So we need to add dummy it as a subject.

Anonymous

That gives us example 7.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hmm, so

> It's a sickness.

Is the it dumb?

Anonymous

It is not a dummy pronoun.

Anonymous

17:42

It must refer to something in the discourse.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hmm.

Anonymous

It should be either anaphoric or deictic.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'm listening.

Anonymous

Come up with a context where you can say it's a sickness

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Well. . .

Can you tell me what anaphoric is, so I can confirm that what I have in mind is it?

Anonymous

17:48

Yes, in a minute

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

K.

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M The anaphoric use is for avoiding repetition.

John was here. Where is he now?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Oh.

No, what I had in mind was the diectic use.

I swear!

Damkerng T.

The diectic use would only be meaningful within its context.

"They met each other there last week."

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yes, that's what I had in mind.

Damkerng T.

17:52

If you don't know where, when, who said that, you have no idea what those pronouns refer to.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Oh no, wait. . .I did have the anaphoric thingy in mind.

Damkerng T.

Probably not the best way to define the two terms. Just something off the top of my head.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Nah, I'm familiar with their concepts, I just didn't know their names.

CopperKettle

"A long time ago, there lived a little girl. She had grown up, and it was said that she became a barmaid, kind and generous." - I wonder if the Past Perfect is okay here.

(from a lang-8 post)

She had grown up and became a barmaid, kind and generous. - this looks a bit better, without "it was said".

Anonymous

18:08

I'm back

Anonymous

Anaphoric = refers to something previously said

Anonymous

Deictic = refers to something in the surrounding context

Anonymous

When I say "I", I'm using deictic reference. I exist in the surrounding context, and I can assume the speaker knows I exist, even if I haven't previously mentioned myself.

Anonymous

But if I say "I like my pet snail. It's very cute!" The pronoun it is anaphoric, referring back to something I previously said, "my pet snail".

Anonymous

The term anaphoric is also used more generally to refer to something that will be said later, although the term cataphoric can be used for this

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

18:11

@CopperKettle In a story, I expect past simple way more.

Anonymous

Sometimes people call this backwards anaphora rather than cataphora

CopperKettle

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Me too, but I'd want to be able to explain why. (0:

Anonymous

She had grown up by... when, exactly? What point in time is the growing up anterior to?

Anonymous

> A long time ago, there lived a little girl. Years later, after she had grown up, it was said...

CopperKettle

@snailboat Well, maybe by the legal adult age of 18?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

18:12

@CopperKettle Because it's a series of events rather than a single sentence.

Anonymous

@CopperKettle Well, I'm not asking because I want you to answer, I'm asking because the sentence is missing that information.

CopperKettle

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Q: "She had grown up, and it was said that she became a barmaid, kind and generous." - is it awkard to use Past Perfect here?

From a lang-8 post I was proofreading: A long time ago, there lived a little girl. She had grown up, and it was said that she became a barmaid, kind and generous. I changed the bolded phrase to grew up, but could it be that the Past Perfect is possible here? If the PP is erroneous here, i...

past-tense past-perfect tense-agreement

Anonymous

So the reader doesn't know what the perfect is being used for.

CopperKettle

@snailboat Oh, so because there's no precise information on when exactly she became a grown-up, the sentence is awkward?

Anonymous

It's also odd that there's a leap forward in time with no indication of its passage.

Damkerng T.

18:13

Another possible way to fix it:

> A long time ago, there lived a little girl who had grown up to become ...

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. who grew up to

CopperKettle

@DamkerngT. yep, "who grew up to"

Anonymous

If you use the perfect in your sentence, it sounds like she was a little girl even after she grew up

Damkerng T.

Oh, yes.

Retrying...

> A long time ago, there lived a young girl who had grown up to become ...

CopperKettle

Could I say: ""It was said that she became a barmaid, kind and generous. She had grown up by that time."

Damkerng T.

18:16

Is grown up a verb or an adjective?

(in that sentence)

Anonymous

It's two words, it doesn't have a part of speech

CopperKettle

The verb grow + preposition up

Anonymous

Yeah.

Anonymous

Otherwise you'd say "She was grown up"

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'm still better off with simple past.

Anonymous

18:17

In the original sentence, I agree there's no justification for the perfect.

Damkerng T.

I concur.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

But user3169's answer says otherwise.

CopperKettle

"She had grown up, and it was said on 1 June 2015 that she became a barmaid, kind and generous." - voila! Now there is a precise time anchor.

Damkerng T.

Years later is sufficient, imho.

In a fable setting, I think several/many summers/years passed would work too.

CopperKettle

"She had grown up, and years later it was said that she became a barmaid"

Damkerng T.

18:23

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I'm not sure how I should understand their answer.

I think the time expression showing that some time had passed in the story flows better:

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. With ease of mind.

Damkerng T.

"Years later, she had grown up, and it was said that she became/had become a barmaid/the most beautiful barmaid in town."

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

On a more serious note, me neither.

@DamkerngT. Yeah this works.

Anonymous

I often want to suggest people simply ignore certain answers, but I'm afraid that might sometimes sound confrontational

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Copper @snail wants you to ignore the user3169's answer to your question.

Like that? ^

@Copper @snail wants you to ignore the user3169's answer to your question.

Anonymous

18:29

I'm fairly certain I said nothing of the sort!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Me too.

But it's fun.

CopperKettle

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M It's time you had grown up! (0:

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Nah, children have the best view of the world.

CopperKettle

George W. had been living for 11 years in the dusty, flat plains of Midland, the oil capital of West Texas, where he had grown up before heading east for his education.

"George W. Bush had grown up and headed east for education".

Damkerng T.

nods

The reference point was 11 years after his living in Midland.

CopperKettle

18:41

Yes, the reference point was in a sentence above the quoted ones..

Damkerng T.

I got a lot of JavaScript and page loading errors when I restarted my browser.

Solution: F5, F5, and some more F5s.

CopperKettle

@DamkerngT. Sorry to hear that! I reinstalled my system a month ago, fished out some trojans, and now everyithing is more or less even-keeled.

Damkerng T.

@CopperKettle Neat!

My problem is that I have too many tabs. :D

CopperKettle

@DamkerngT. I know! (0:

Damkerng T.

Current status: 1908 tabs, and 35 more windows

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

18:46

Tell me how to get rid of this font!!!!

Damkerng T.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Have you tried to restart your browser yet?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

So many tabs. . .Let me see if I have anything good here.

Anonymous

Disable it in your chat plugin.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It?

Anonymous

The optional fixed-width font you mentioned.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

18:51

Bah. . .I wonder how that was turned on.

Anonymous

一件落着！

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Not by default.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Not sure what that means, but Google Translate says "Disposition of the case". :-)

CopperKettle

@snailboat "an issue being settled", according to one dictionary (0:

Damkerng T.

@CopperKettle Makes sense!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

18:56

Case closed.

I think that was the meaning. ^

Damkerng T.

Come to think of it, I think I've run into it-- yes, "case closed".

CopperKettle

I also usually run mysterious foreign words by Google Picture Search, but this time nothing conclusive came up

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. Hehe that Google translate!

Damkerng T.

@CopperKettle Oh! Like some foreign words on a sign or something like that?

CopperKettle

@DamkerngT. Yes, on the web. (0:

Damkerng T.

18:58

Ahhhh

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@CopperKettle Oh, that's a good method, never thought of it.

CopperKettle

“ever-closer union” - I wonder if this means "a union closer than it is now" or "a union that grows (ever) closer and closer"

Damkerng T.

I like the latter better.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

No, it means it never have been this close.

The closest it can get.

There's nothing in motion or happening, so it's grew as close as it could not grows closer and closer.

CopperKettle

"the goal of “ever-closer union” in Europe" = the closest it can get? Hmm..

Damkerng T.

19:06

So, ever-closer means closer-than-ever?

In any case, closest ever is unambiguous.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M What do you think about The tax laws grow ever more complex?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. I'm almost sure about it, unless @snail enters in with her cape and surprises.

@DamkerngT. I don't think this is grammatical; if it is, it's very awkward.

Maybe

Damkerng T.

Frankly, I don't know what to think about ever-closer as an adjective.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

> The tax laws have grown more complex than ever.

Damkerng T.

It's something I've seen only recently.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M It's from a dictionary.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Maybe that's even?

Ever is so weird to my ears like that.

CopperKettle

19:11

ever -- "used before a comparative adjective or adverb for showing that something is growing or developing all the time"

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hmm, let me think.

I hate Macmillan.

Damkerng T.

:D

Poor Macmillan!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I still think I've seen ever-somethinger used in the sense I'm talking about a lot.

Damkerng T.

Could be a new pattern.

Old patterns: Xer-than-ever, Xest-ever, ever-Xing. New: ever-Xer.

Though we have something like evermore.

Anonymous

Ever closer = always getting closer and closer

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

19:18

Hmm.

At least I wasn't buzzed by @snail's language electric shock.

@Copper has buzzed me before that.

Mmmm honeydew.

CopperKettle

Mmm buckwheat kasha..

Damkerng T.

Honeydew makes me think of honey bear.

@CopperKettle Ah, buckwheat. Great food!

CopperKettle

(0:

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hmm. . .

(o:

(0:

(O:

Damkerng T.

:o)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

19:26

I think the first one is grammatical.

CopperKettle

Interesting question:

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Q: how to use "tense" in the following format?

A. This was the first place I ever worked. B. This was the first place I have ever worked. Do you feel any difference in meaning between these? Thanks in advance

tense

Damkerng T.

Agree with the answer.

CopperKettle

No difference in meaning?

Damkerng T.

Oh, I just got a new metaphor for ever/never with the past simple and the present perfect.

@CopperKettle In this one, no real difference.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@DamkerngT. Report soldier!

@CopperKettle Nah, I end up in a loop.

Damkerng T.

19:29

With the past simple, it's like an open interval (-1,0).

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Which means they're the same/

Damkerng T.

With the present perfect, it's like a closed interval (-1,0].

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

My eyes! Math everywhere!

Damkerng T.

(replace -1 with "some time before now")

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Hee

In the context of ever/never, the -1 may be replaced with "as far as I can remember".

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

ELU Q of the day:

5

Q: Noun for something that is randomly chosen?

Example: Since the murderer didn't know the victim, the detectives assumed the murder was a [...]. This is just an example, though, I'm not looking for a word for that kind of crime. Just a noun that means "something that is randomly chosen".

single-word-requests phrase-requests

Damkerng T.

19:34

"murder by number"? :P

CopperKettle

"a random act" seems nice (among those undervoted answers)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

The last one in interesting.

Damkerng T.

nods

Hmm... In Minority Report, they used the term "premeditated crime".

What's the opposite of "premeditated"? Spontaneous?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

A thought-provoking crime.

Damkerng T.

unplanned crime,spontaneous crime,unprepared crime,impromptu crime,unpremeditated crime: books.google.com/ngrams/…

I think I will go with unpremeditated.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

19:46

Whinge of the day:

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I often visit room number 17 in the chat - the famous JavaScript room, blessed with 10 million room owners. I have learned JavaScript there from a total n00b level to an intermediate one. And now, when some other users come to ask questions, and I can answer it, I help that guy. He says thank yo...

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Damkerng T.

> 10 million room owners.

Ahhh -- just saw the name

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

What?

Damkerng T.

What what?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

You ahhhed because you processed something using your circuits. What was that?

Did that user remind you of something?

Damkerng T.

Yes. He was here too.

I think he is around your age, maybe a few years older.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

19:51

Well, I got a bit emotional in The Periodic Table.

Damkerng T.

Aww...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

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Q: Number of atoms in NaCl

However, because the number of atoms of sodium and chlorine in table salt is not the same, but a cubic crystal salt is neutral?

inorganic-chemistry

This is the first question ever I saw that starts with however.

Damkerng T.

Maybe they were thinking of something else but didn't write it down.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

It's kinda funny though.

Damkerng T.

:-)

smiling in agreement

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

19:56

in The Periodic Table, 6 hours ago, by PH13

Abishek, Dhruv ... names are kind of IP

Read up from there.

I've grown an "Indian allergy".

Damkerng T.

Aww... not everyone is the same, though, but you sure know that.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Yes, I do.

That's why I still love talking to nice Indian dudes, like Fred and Man.

Damkerng T.

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A: What is the meaning of this sentence? "as having" is the confusing part

If it's the sentence structure that you're unfamiliar with, here's how to think of it: [The subject] understands [the object] as having [attributes] = [The subject] understands that [the object] has [attributes] If it's the content of the phrase that is the issue, PerryW successfully translat...

> In addition, children acutely understand their own moral behavior as having narrative meaning, and moral stories provide a blueprint for the internalization of moral behavior

> "This excerpt is a good example of "academese," the complicated and confusing language that most scholars use when they write."

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Can't agree more!

Damkerng T.

The question is, is this a good example or a bad example of "academese"?

I don't know.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

20:11

@DamkerngT. Missing indefinite article before narrative, I think.

@DamkerngT. I think it's a good enough example.

Damkerng T.

(Still can't find the original)

Anonymous

21:13

@DamkerngT. Not enough information.

Anonymous

Many sentences (or is this a sentence fragment?) appear at least somewhat opaque out of context, but work much better in the context where they originally appear

Anonymous

When someone writes an academic paper, they're probably taking into account their target audience (usually other academics), assuming that people are reading their words in the context they've created, and so on.

Anonymous

What is perfectly reasonable in an academic paper may not seem reasonable when presented in a vacuum.

Anonymous

So how can we judge it?

Anonymous

I can't.

Anonymous

21:16

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Not necessary.

Damkerng T.

22:11

@snailboat Agreed. I think I will at least need the whole article before thinking a bit more about the sentence.

Even then, I'm not sure if I will know enough necessary terminologies used in the paper/article.

Maybe it's common in the field to say "children acutely understand their own moral behavior as having narrative meaning" to mean that children understand their behavior as to they can see that their behavior has meaning in or related to the story.

Maybe "narrative meaning" has a specific meaning in the field.

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