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skullpatrol

12:00 AM

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userr2684291

@skullpatrol So a figurative take on read out loud?

skullpatrol

yup

userr2684291

12:11 AM

@skullpatrol Well, I took it to mean, more in a computer sense, something like, the study will become evaluated in the coming weeks. The study will read out [something]. Maybe even "[the results of which will] become readable", something like that.

I wonder whether you're right, lol.

skullpatrol

without more context that is my guess

userr2684291

@skullpatrol Thanks anyway.

skullpatrol

News flash:

in English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room, 19 mins ago, by Robusto

@skullpatrol Stacks of urns in Wuhan prompt new questions of coronavirus toll.

userr2684291

I don't wanna get pulled into that stuff.

I don't feel like I gain anything by reading news about this, except local stuff, whether stores work here or not, and such.

The news section on every news-offering website is already oversaturated with that crap. Clogged up, more like.

userr2684291

12:42 AM

theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/brazil-rio-gangs-coronavirus This is funny, though. So they call a megaphone a loudhailer in Britain.

CowperKettle

3:32 AM

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Q: Meaning of "to read out" in the clinical trial context - where did this usage originate, and am I right about its meaning?

I was reading an article about some candidate drugs for the COVID-19 infection, and came across a curious usage of read out: Studies for another drug, remdesivir from Gilead Sciences, are expected to read out in the coming weeks. Googling for clinical trial "to read out" brings up many ins...

AIQ

5:07 AM

Is "going forward" really this bad? Going forward, let's consign this inane phrase to history

CowperKettle

5:17 AM

IOWA
The state with 125%
vowel content.

Anonymous

6:00 AM

@AIQ Well, it's up to your own judgment. Lots of people get annoyed at specific phrases and want them to go away. There's a group of people who dislike going forward, and since they dislike it they notice again and again and get more annoyed each time they see it. I imagine most people don't really think about it, so it's probably not a big deal.

Anonymous

Language Log has a whole tag devoted to peeving.

Anonymous

@CowperKettle Hope everything's okay over there.

Anonymous

6:13 AM

@CowperKettle Oh, that's a great question!

Anonymous

But yeah, I think it's when the data is released for the (preliminary?) results of a trial, but before the actual study is published. I'm not really sure on the details, but it's not an uncommon phrase in that context.

Anonymous

I'll ask my friends who actually know stuff about things.

CowperKettle

8:52 AM

@snailcar The world is wonderful but unsafe

M.A.R.

12:11 PM

@CowperKettle what does it say?

CowperKettle

@M.A.R. The world is wonderful but unsafe

M.A.R.

@CowperKettle well, what's the relevance of the cheeto cat/Garfield?

CowperKettle

@M.A.R. I dunno

"Take care of your grannies!"

Anonymous

1:47 PM

@CowperKettle My friend says:

Anonymous

>
> The readout is essentially when the results of a clinical trial are made public. It can take a long time (in the case of my last company over a year) to get enough patients for a larger clinical trial to be able to show efficacy at a significant degree. So once you have enough patients that have gone through the treatment cycle (patients will all go through treatment cycles in their own time frames, you dont wait for everyone to go at once) you accumulate the data and comb through extensively and basically try and make the case for your drug if possible. When those final analyzed result…

Anonymous

Hope that helps :-)

CowperKettle

2:11 PM

Thank you!

You can post that as an answer

G Warner

Recent Examples on the Web: Noun
The search found 160 such studies with data readouts planned for this year.
— Adam Feuerstein, STAT, "As Covid-19 spreads, disruptions to clinical trial and drug development accelerate," 23 Mar. 2020

merriam-webster.com/dictionary/readout

M.A.R.

@CowperKettle -__-

G Warner

@CowperKettle :)

@CowperKettle Let me open my translator..

M.A.R.

2:26 PM

"The" is probably MUP in Russian

G Warner

2:41 PM

I dont use the translator as much as i used to. i just noticed some interesting changes

You can type MUP into russian side and a drop down multiple choice example is shown to choose from (according to what the letters look like to you

Cut and paste the originallly text still works though too

Мир прекрасен "The world is wonderful" Мир alone "Peace"

well my Latin is rusty but P is the letter R, as it is in russian too. "Mir" Мир

Mir prekrasen, no bezopasen, phonetic pronounciation

I'm bored... obviously

Waiting for the daily 'readout' of my 'Galactic Empire' game to finish...

userr2684291

3:21 PM

@GWarner Um, it says "no nebezopasen" = "but unsafe" (more literally, "but not-without-[being]-dangerous", i.e. "non-harmless").

The "e"s are probably read as "ye"s, and I don't know about the "o"s as they can sound like "ah"s.

CowperKettle

@GWarner MIR can mean "peace" or "world"

Before the reform of 1917, the MIR that means "world" was written differently: мiр, with an i - but in 1917 the letter i was abolished.

userr2684291

World peace = mir mir.

They formally abolished I. How symbolic.

@skullpatrol Looks like you were right. WOO WOO for you, pal!

skullpatrol

3:42 PM

15 hours ago, by skullpatrol

without more context that is my guess

userr2684291

You got it.

Buster. That's my new favorite word. I was watching that Geo Wizard guy (Brit) (playing GeoGuessr), and he said it a few times while he was "in" the US, presumably imitating the US idiom (= dialect).

skullpatrol

not to mention the boxer Buster Douglas who knocked out Mike Tyson

userr2684291

@skullpatrol I wonder if there's a folk etymology circling around about that.

In the meaning of "A person or thing that breaks, destroys, or overpowers something.", buster is short for broncobuster, "A cowboy who breaks in wild or half-tamed horses.", according to Lexico.

Prolly not. Haha. I mean, the verb bust already kinda means that (to break).

skullpatrol

3:57 PM

he broke the odds of a 42–1 underdog

userr2684291

Er, ofc I can't edit the above, but now it states something completely wrong.

Along with the meaning of... buster is short for... OK.

@skullpatrol Do you watch/follow boxing?

Do you think in recent times the matches are more boring than those before? I always get utterly bored, but perhaps it depends on each individual match.

skullpatrol

yup, mostly heavyweights

userr2684291

I always remember that guy... Valuev or something. He basically stood there like a rock and... that's it. Somehow he won. I don't know if he's even active anymore, but still.

skullpatrol

he was a moster

userr2684291

Damn, apparently he retired like 10 years ago. Have I been living under a rock or something.

Also, I remember Bob Sapp, when he kicked his opponent with his foot while he on the ground. Lol.

skullpatrol

4:08 PM

Wladimir Klitschko has dominated the division for 12 years

userr2684291

Oh, you know that joke, it's better to be hit by a train than by one of the Klitschkos. (Not much of a joke, but ya.) I believe he's some kinda politician now.

Well, he would be qualified, after all he'd been hit in the head a lot.

skullpatrol

Tyson Fury is trying to unify the heavyweight division now

userr2684291

@skullpatrol What do you mean by unify?

skullpatrol

there are 6 world champion belts he has two and Anthony Joshua has 4

userr2684291

@skullpatrol So he's trying to get them all?

Catch 'em all?

skullpatrol

4:19 PM

yup

userr2684291

Alright, thanks for the info.

Maybe I'll watch these two fight.

np pal

classic^

5:38 PM

@skullpatrol Yes, but ... quite controversial!!!

skullpatrol

a knockout is a knockout

2 hours ago, by skullpatrol

he broke the odds of a 42–1 underdog

AIQ

He was knocked down first, hadn't it been for the wrong count and the long count, Tyson would have won by knockout. The referee messed up.

skullpatrol

yeah, i remember...boxing is dirty that way

AIQ

@skullpatrol Do you a have a profile in MA SE?

skullpatrol

yup

M.A.R.

7:15 PM

@CowperKettle does MAR mean "world peace"?

@skullpatrol boxing is primitive. The real sports are the ones involving handing the ball over a net like a pair of civilized seals. Sips British tea while reading Jane Austen

AIQ

7:44 PM

@snailcar What is this kind of thing called: "Why do you want to do A? Why B? Or C?"

Do you know? This is where commonly understood parts of similar questions are dropped (but increasingly) ...

Is this kind of thing grammatical, to keep dropping more and more commonly understood parts of the introductory clause?

I am writing 3 questions like this, and I am not sure if this style is illegal ...

Just wrote a 12 line footnote.

M.A.R.

9:30 PM

@AIQ "Why [do you want to do] B?" is just common ellipsis and correct

Some people will shudder if you start your sentence with "or", however

Anonymous

9:46 PM

@Foogod Okay, yes you are right snowflake seems to be more offensive than triggered. However, "snowflake" in the dictionaries is just an insult (without any political connotation), and "triggered" does not exist in the dictionaries with the meaning that is being used here (i.e., with the political meaning). You can call someone a snowflake without it having any political implication/meaning (as per dictionaries). However, you can't use "triggered" in the context OP did without it having any political meaning. Having said all that, I agree with you on this - snowflake is indeed (cont.) — AIQ Mar 28 at 2:57

Anonymous

Hrm.

Anonymous

This is tough, because triggered has become very common among different groups of people with different patterns of usage.

Anonymous

Kids often use triggered without meaning anything political by it.

Anonymous

You could argue, and people have, that using triggered as a slang term like this is insensitive or shouldn't be done, but from the point of view of the some people using the term, I think it's often used without any pejorative meaning at all.

Anonymous

I think among kids it tends to be close in meaning to annoyed, but a bit stronger. That's my personal impression.

M.A.R.

9:49 PM

triggered

No really, I literally turned into a trigger

I'd post a selfie but that'd ruin the fun

Anonymous

Like, if I look through discord servers that are full of kids, the most common usage I see is "I'm so triggered!" They're not attacking anyone else and have no political meaning in mind, but they're strongly annoyed by something and want to express that.

Anonymous

Now, I tried looking through the Quora thread, and in context, I really would not expect anyone to use the word triggered. I'd expect at least somewhat professional conduct in that sort of space. But since I don't use Quora, that's just my impression from looking around for five minutes.

Anonymous

I honestly wouldn't have thought of anything political in that context, either. But you know, different people have different experiences, and whoever posted in that thread must have had interactions with different people using the term and formed their own impressions.

Anonymous

Snowflake, on the other hand, I think is always political and always an insult.

M.A.R.

@snailcar "Quora" and "professional" are two words not to be used in the proximity of one another, unless there's some negation

Anonymous

9:54 PM

@M.A.R. Haha, well. I stay away from Quora, so I don't really know these things.

Anonymous

But I just imagine someone writing triggered in a similar context on Stack Exchange, and it would definitely be capital-U Unwelcoming.

M.A.R.

I don't use it much either, but there are a lot of questions I google and a lot of bored folks on Quora

Anonymous

I really don't think it looks like an appropriate use of the term.

M.A.R.

Or paid, so I've heard. Quora pays people to ask.

Anonymous

"Why does Quora pay people to ask?" ← Can I be paid to ask this question?

M.A.R.

9:56 PM

I think someone already has

Anonymous

Can I be paid anyway? Money is nice.

M.A.R.

What you end up with is a lot of questions with very bad answers

Anonymous

Darn.

M.A.R.

@snailcar The new cryptocurrency is TP

You'd save 0.01 TP by making a homemade sanitizer

Anonymous

@M.A.R. It confused me for a while when people who aren't familiar with crypto started referring to cryptocurrencies as crypto.

M.A.R.

9:57 PM

Is that pleonastic? Too late in the night for me to know

@snailcar I just know it's an SE site that doesn't get much spam

Honestly, I never fully understood it.

It's like, people said let's make something and make it valuable, so we can buy it with money

Which is probably how money came by in the first place, but at least everyone agrees it's valuable

Can I buy a pizza with a bitcoin?

Anonymous

Well, if you let people make value from nothing, or from less than nothing, they'll definitely do that thing because they like value.

M.A.R.

So all the contribution to mother nature has been lots of CPUs that could have been put to better use, and a new wave of scam

People are weird.

Anonymous

I think a lot of Western society is based on the idea that you can get value from nothing, as long as someone else is left holding the bag in the end.

M.A.R.

A huge Ponzi scheme? Isn't everything.

Like, there was that chain where animals were selling bitcoin and the chain ended in an alligator or a killer whale or somesuch

2:31 a.m.

userr2684291

11:13 PM

@AIQ Perhaps there's a term for it, but I don't see a reason for one to exist. What's going on there is a gradual application of ellipsis.

Hmm... Perhaps "chained ellipsis". Yup. I'll email GKP right away.

Anonymous

Oh, the main reason you'd want to break down ellipsis into more and more specific types is that ellipsis is a very general term, and you can't really describe it in much detail without breaking it down into more specific phenomena.

userr2684291

Gotcha, but I don't think detailed is what's really sought here.

Anonymous

Yeah, I don't really know a specific answer to the question.

userr2684291

Leaving out words = ellipsis.

Anonymous

Yeah, the interesting question for linguists would be, when can you leave out words, and when can't you? I think it's kind of a messy topic to make sense of, though.

userr2684291

11:27 PM

I think the only thing we can deduce about it is that it's possible to do it whenever the rest of the clause/phrase is easily inferable.

Hm, that goes without saying. :)

But now regarding the specifics... yeah, I'll let linguists and serious English enthusiasts catalogue those.

Or maybe I should've said: it's always done when it's possible to infer the ellipted part, but not necessarily vice-versa.

userr2684291

11:51 PM

@M.A.R. Nothing is more powerful (or valuable) than an idea (or product, service) whose time has come. Nowadays your toaster (if I were talking to some buster I'd substitute something dirtier), is probably mining bitcoin along with some other cryptocurrencies for some bastard, and is a slave in a botnet. Maybe it's a few years old now, but it isn't any less relevant: google Mirai and Anna-senpai.

So, I did a project for uni (that tells you everything), and that was a while ago, where I customized a honeypot to capture Mirai-like botnet attacks (among other things), and sure enough they were all out there, preying on your printer and whatever Internet-of-Targets device you've got.

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