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12:01 AM
@userr2684291 I see after so long your username is still userrXXXXX, lol.
 
12:12 AM
@JasperLoy Yes, it has matured handsomely (unlike its bearer).
 
@JasperLoy one error I noticed. Can you please point out other errors?
 
1:08 AM
@Man_From_India I don't know what to say. My grammar is bad, so I don't wanna give you the wrong answer. =) But I will just rewrite the whole thing.
I am not even sure what the sentence means actually.
 
Hi! By any chance, is someone here and awake who knows Hindi and could translate two short English sentences into it for me?
 
Thanks. That bit is also fine. It goes with my assumption that the sentence is wrong :-) thank you.
@RainerVerteidiger I don't know much Hindi, but I can try.
 
@Man_From_India Telugu would also work, but I'm just going to assume that that's unlikely :P
So the first sentence is "There's a lot to read inside [the gift wrap] already, so not much info needed here. Enjoy!"
 
Hehe I am a Bengali. So you know how bad my Hindi is. But I think I can make you understand with my wrong Hindi.
 
Just very basic words and grammar will do - I'm German, so it's not like anyone would expect me to be able to produce any Hindi at all ;-)
 
1:14 AM
@RainerVerteidiger "under parneka bahut kuch hai, isiliye Zara information yaha par zaruri nahi. Enjoy".
 
Oh seriously, you just say "enjoy"? :-D
 
@RainerVerteidiger There is always google translate for a first go at translating anything.
 
@JasperLoy unfortunately in the case of Hindi I've learned that people instantly recognize it as coming out of Google Translate.
But I'll feed what @Man_From_India gave me into Google Translate to see if it can convert it into Devanagari.
 
@RainerVerteidiger Aha! That means it must be quite bad.
 
@RainerVerteidiger I really don't know what the translated form of "enjoy" here, neither in hindi nor in my mother tongue, Bengali.
 
1:16 AM
@JasperLoy Well, it can't be worse than Arabic (which I study and can actually say something about). In the case of Arabic it is often what I would call "dangerously" wrong.
@Man_From_India that's alright, I know about Hinglish ;-)
 
Thanks :-)
 
@Man_From_India Is Bengali written in Devanagari or do you guys have your own script?
 
That Zara should be zada
 
Hmm well, you had Tagore, so you MUST have your own script.
 
বাংলা
Is this devnagari script?
 
1:17 AM
I thiiiiiiiink so
Wait
No, the shapes are not quite right
So Google Translate gave me "अंडर परनेका बहुत कुछ है, इसीलिए ज़ादा इनफार्मेशन यहाँ पर ज़रूरी नहीं. एन्जॉय" from your sentence.
I'll just go with that and see how much laughter that'll cause :-P
The second sentence would be:

"So soft. Not anything you were expecting? Open and see!"
(Soft is referring to a piece of clothing here)
 
Yes. That is hindi script. And the one I wrote is bengali. I am really not sure what devnagari script is. All I know it's a rich script :-)
 
I write Chinese characters. =)
 
"not anything you were expecting"? Any context?
 
Devanagari is the script used to write the Hindi or Hindustani language in the country of India. The virtually same language is called Urdu in the country of Pakistan. It's a little stupid and confusing, but ... well ... shrug
@Man_From_India Hmm .... the important thing was the question mark at the end. The context is that the receiver of that gift is very likely expecting a gift that feels hard to the touch. But they're getting a piece of clothing, which feels soft to the touch. Hence, "not what you were expecting?"
 
There is visible difference in hindi text and urdu text. If both are devnagari text, then I guess visual difference is not enough to tell that what is devnagari and what is not :)
 
1:22 AM
(Oh ... I meant to say: "is called Urdu in Pakistan AND written in modified Arabic script instead)
nono
both are the same language
but two very different scripts
also Sanskrit is written in Devanagari script
ooooooooh you wrote "Baanlaa" earlier, didn't you? :)
 
Urdu is used in some parts of india too. Muslims here uses it. Though they use hindi and other languages too based on location.
 
@JasperLoy buddy of mine got himself a teacher for chinese [who he then moved on to marry, but that's another story] and reads it now. he bursts into laughter whenever he sees a westerner with a "chinese" tattoo
 
My phone's autocorrect is sometime hard to tackle.
 
@Man_From_India know the problem, man! know it sooo well :(
 
Hehe
By the way, how you got interested in hindi?
 
1:26 AM
indian girlfriend ;)
well, also, my hippie mom spent some time in what was Bombay back then
 
Ah ha I was expecting the same. Trust me. Based on some of your msgs.
 
and my dad went on a trip to/in goa, but that was probably the norm back then
 
I ha i wish I had a German girlfriend :P
@RainerVerteidiger and it is Mumbai now :-)
 
hmm and also i love reading Rabindranat Tagore
 
Great. So you know bengali too. Great.
 
1:29 AM
@Man_From_India there's enough german girls who can be dazzled by yoga, ayurveda and stuff like that. my neighborhood has a german yoga teacher with three kids from two indian men. bit sad that neither of these relationships has worked out :(
@Man_From_India omg no! i just read english translations of his writings. i only know ABOUT bengali :P
"So soft. Not anything you were expecting? Open and see!"

If this is too difficult to translate I can try to rephrase...
 
@RainerVerteidiger yoga is great. And Ayurveda too. I got the experience myself. I have a friend in your neighborhood. But not my girlfriend :)
 
Just start hanging out at the Goethe Institute in Kolkata, and sooner or later there'll be a German girl taking note of you :)
 
@RainerVerteidiger literal translation: "bahut naram. Socha bhi nahi aisa? Kholo or dekho."
 
Literal will work quite well for this! Dhanyavad @Man_From_India!
 
@RainerVerteidiger Goethe institute? You mean German?
 
1:34 AM
बहुत नरम. सोचा भी नहीं ऐसा? खोलो और देखो.

... according to Google Translate.
@Man_From_India yeah, they're institutes for promoting the study of german language around the world
 
I can read the text a little :-)
 
and they usually serve as a kind of marriage institutes too as an unofficial, secondary function
 
@RainerVerteidiger don't know any german institute in kolkata. But I know there is british institute.
 
okay, i have to copy the hindi text to postcards now by hand. that'll take a while. daunting task lol
 
@RainerVerteidiger hehe
Nods
 
I am sure you are sending a soft dress to your girlfriend, probably for Christmas.
I actually am from kolkata :-)
 
hhhhhh if you must know it's a শাড়ি ... all of hers are in india, so she's getting one for germany, too
 
How can bengalis don't know about saree? :P
 
i didn't know how to write in english so i copied the word off the bengali wikipedia
 
You see I am alive only because of yoga and Ayurveda. There is no cure in current medical practice.
 
1:39 AM
^^
 
@RainerVerteidiger :-)
 
@Man_From_India that sounds like you suffer from something horrible?
 
Not any more. I was. Now doctors won't believe me. They think it's a miracle.
I actually am fitter and more well than I was before my AS was detected and I started suffering :-)
 
The body has immense self-healing ability. I've always believed in that. And with Yoga and Ayurverda it might be that they help the body engage that self-healing.
 
It destroyed my career and many things. But I am by stroke of luck started another career, not so great and glamorous neither lucrative. But I can manage :-)
 
1:43 AM
Oh! AS! Damn, so sorry to hear about that. But then it also makes a LOT of sense that both Yoga and Ayurveda would help with that. You'd be surprised by the way - some physicians in Germany have started to recommend and incorporate these two into their therapies.
 
I now tell everyone to practice yoga and meditation. But it has to be proper. The selection of teacher is a key.
 
Hmmm tell me about it...
Been trying to start doing Yoga for years.
Usually I do, like, a 2 week course, or follow a teacher on YouTube for a week or so.
And then my spirits go down again and I stop.
Stupid depressions I guess...
 
Correct. I will give you my example.
Here I got admission to a yoga instructor. She seems to know a lot. But my condition was not improving by any means. I contacted her not when my AS was detected, pr when the suffering got intense. I contacted her when I started to feel slight pain initially.
How I got a teacher and Ayurveda doctor. He is completely different.
He is tough and he will touch you and you will feel the pain is gone. I don't know how.
 
Wow
Sounds like he's a good fit for you
You know, it's perhaps not always necessary to know the reason for something
 
The pain returns though. But I have been doing it for last 7 months. And no pain and you know I am a lot better.
 
1:50 AM
But modernity (and consequently modern medicine) seems to feel a requirement towards such an all-understanding
 
My condition was so worse that my limbs and joints started to collect and hold fluids. Now it is removed without any medicine or invasion.
 
I don't know a lot about AS. What I do know is that it's a form of arthritis. And Ayurvedic massages seem to work for arthritis and rheuma patients in cases where "western" school medicine fails to come up with a remedy. There's some studies ongoing as to why that is, but so far noone really knows.
 
When I ask him how. He just smiles. He says it's my hard work and regorious routine and diet.
Auto immuno disease.
 
See!
Auto immune: as in: the body hurting itself -
And then the opposite: the body healing itself
I'm not at all surprised that Yoga and Ayurveda are helping you :)
 
Wow nice !
By the way Rainer, it's nice talking to you. I think I am talking to you for the first time.
 
2:00 AM
And you!
And yes, I was never in a StackExchange chat room before ... only came here looking for some Hindi help.
I've been studying the letters for a while now, but still haven't learned all of them, so not advanced to words or grammar yet.
Tried learning some Telugu but gave up because of the difficulty of the script.
Wow. Finally finished copying the Hindi letters onto the postcards.
Thank you again @Man_From_India, ধন্যবাদ!
Also all the best to you! Stay healthy and live long and prosper!
 
2:16 AM
@RainerVerteidiger thank you. Do come here sometimes :-)
 
 
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7:26 AM
@snailboat I HATE Christmas movies
Hey @Rainer, welcome to the chat!
FINALLY, some breathing here that didn't involve me
 
 
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12:13 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Maybe try watching 'The polar express' which is an animation.
 
1:11 PM
@JasperLoy I don't hate all Christmas movies, it's just they usually find fables or the light mood of Christmas a reason to be dumb or lame
 
1:29 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Hm.
Home Alone and its sequels are hands down the best movies ever made.
 
Home Alone is good.
Its sequels, not so much
 
@JasperLoy omg that film was ahead of its time when it comes to quality. That is what I believe. It's so long ago :-) I just love that movie.
 
I don't want 10 hours of Home Alone, if the kid wanted to play around with the criminally insane, they could have made a TV show in the first place
@Man_From_India ? Don't you mean the 2004 one?
My point being that the sequels brought nothing but lamer reactions from the criminals and lamer jokes
 
One might argue the sequels are better than the original.
 
Why would one want to argue though?
Peace! Olives! No arguments on Christmas
Only watching Jim Carrey
 
1:36 PM
I didn't know that it had a sequel.
By the way, I just received this news. So horrible.
 
I don't know what arguments those people would use, however. I'm just saying it's possible that some people might argue that, hahah.
 
The Independent: Indonesia tsunami - live updates: At least 222 people killed as rescuers struggle to reach disaster survivors.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/indonesia-tsunami-live-latest-update-krakatoa-volcano-eruption-death-toll-injured-missing-sunda-a8696766.html
 
@Man_From_India Indonesia? I know :(
 
@Man_From_India Were you referring to the Bollywood version?
 
:'(
@userr2684291 oh I thought he was talking about the sequal of the polar express.
 
1:39 PM
Oh
No I was just baffled when you said it was ahead of its time
Because well, lots of older, more awesome movies, by even the same people that made it
 
1:55 PM
From what I've gathered, no one quite saw the tsunami coming. It all happened too quickly, during the night, and the volcano, along with the eruption which triggered the slide, which in turn caused the tsunami, was a mere 2 minutes away from the place it struck.
Or something like that. So, quick and unexpected. It's terrible but I think the government is to blame for letting the people stay that close to a place which the tsunami could strike at any moment. A similar, but less catastrophic thing happens here, where they let people build houses in areas where rivers regularly flood.
 
 
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3:22 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with a link in answer, pattern-matching website in answer, potentially bad ns for domain in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (160): Formally say "thank you for taking the time and effort in doing something" by Muhammad Sabir Rajab on ell.SE
 
 
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4:24 PM
> To me, the definition of real love, is from whom I have inherited the power to produce gametes and to whom I will pass on them to create a live soul.
I think the sentence is incorrect for three main reasons.
1. The subject and the object is not properly matched. Like because of the rest of the sentence, the object should describe the subject, not the origin, which is the case here.
2. After "is" there should have a "from". But even if it is included the sentence has other problems.
3. The "from whom ..." Part is an open interrogative and that should not come there in this sentence. Well, if you ask me, an open interrogative could still be okay if another "from" was added.
These are just my thoughts. Please correct me if I am wrong. And also please tell if I am right :-)
 
Anonymous
5:13 PM
Otorhinolaryngology is a transparent compound and so isn’t especially hard to understand, but English speakers tend to say ear–nose–throat or ENT anyway.
 
Anonymous
Just shorter and easier to remember and say, I guess :-)
 
@snailboat how are you doing?
 
There was once I went to see ENT doctor and he inserted a tube into my nose to look inside, made me very uncomfortable.
 
5:29 PM
Once I went to the ENT clinic and underwent an operation on my sinuses just behind the nose.
It was probably the most stupid medical decision I made in my whole life.
 
6:14 PM
Word of the midnight: multiplex family (a family in which a person diagnosed with a complex genetic disorder has a 1st- or 2nd-degree relative with the same diagnosis)
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6:48 PM
We say the same thing but we reverse the order of the last two for some reason (ear–throat–nose)... and I hadn't noticed that until you said it. I think it's because the literal translation doesn't sound that good to us, haha. That is, the stress is a bit off.
In fact, ear–throat–nose sounds better to me in English as well.
But I concede that it's easier to pronounce the normal version.
 
7:45 PM
hi everyone. how are all of you doing?
 
7:58 PM
@raleigh Hello!
 
8:57 PM
@CowperKettle Why?
Aw yiss, I keep finishing my books before the self-imposed harsh deadlines
Maybe I can actually take a break for my birthday
Dec 26
 
Anonymous
9:46 PM
@CowperKettle Why's that?
 
Anonymous
@RainerVerteidiger I've found that to be true of most languages.
 
10:00 PM
It seems that Japanese is the most difficult language to learn for the native English speaker, yet you are a moderator on both these sites @snailboat, lol.
You can see from the table there that Japanese is in the last category, and it is also the only one in that category with an asterisk.
 

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