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@CowperKettle I think they might both be okay?
I guess maintenance of cell line banks is not wrong, though.
@snailplane I think that "maintaining" better befits a chapter in a book where the scientist shares his experience of "maintaining cell banks"
I have been asking questions about" being+past participle" and passive construction
My document is a Regulations document, so "maintenance" might fit better, because the chapter is an instruction.
@yubrajsharma Good evening! Feel free to post your questions
@CowperKettle Good evening !!!!! From where ?
17:04
@CowperKettle To me, maintaining would be a chapter telling me how to do something, and maintenance would be a list of rules for a process I might already be familiar with
@ColleenV Thank you! Good evening, Colleen!
and Howdy, btw ;)
Good noon, Texan!
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Anonymous
Can I get a "good 10am" for us Californians? :-)
Anonymous
Which admittedly might just be me.
17:06
@snailplane Good 10 am, dear Snails!
High Noon is a 1952 American Western film produced by Stanley Kramer, directed by Fred Zinnemann and starring Gary Cooper. In nearly real time, the film tells the story of a town marshal forced to face a gang of killers by himself. The screenplay was written by Carl Foreman. The film, nominated for seven, including Best Picture, won four Academy Awards (Actor, Editing, Music-Score, Music-Song) and four Golden Globe Awards (Actor, Supporting Actress, Score, Cinematography-Black and White). The award-winning score was written by Russian-born composer Dimitri Tiomkin. In 1989, High Noon was selected...
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Anonymous
@CowperKettle Top of the 22:06 to ye, Kettle o' Cowper!
I don't know why java mobile doesn't support chat in this website!!!! Now I'm using Android
Anonymous
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A: What is the origin of the phrase "Top of the morning to you"?

WaggersThe phrase is Irish in origin but now very rarely used in Ireland (except as a sterotypical "Irishism"). It simply means "the best of the morning to you" - perhaps from the idea of unhomogenised milk, where the cream rises to the top. An appropriate response might be a simple "thank you" although...

Anonymous
17:08
> Terrible attempts at Irish accents, dancing a jig and leprechaun costumes are entirely optional while saying this.
Anonymous
Is my family being Irish enough of an excuse to use this phrase? :-)
Anonymous
Because for some reason I really like saying it.
@CowperKettle We're going to have a high noon reenactment if some of my coworkers don't get their shit together
@ColleenV what do you think ? Isn't this website mobile friendly?
@snailplane Hi
I don't have much trouble with it, but I'm not a good typist on my mobile
17:11
What sort of beast do we have here: Just ask him has he received the payment.
@ColleenV great!
@snailplane Don't tell anyone, but I wasn't born in Texas and I still use howdy. shhhh
It asks for a comma, but otherwise, how can we characterize it and comment on its grammaticality?
But java doesn't support good !!!!
There is someplace to report problems with the chat application.
17:13
@CowperKettle Or maybe it will be more like OK Corral
Anonymous
Well, I prefer high noon, but I guess that'd be OK.
@ColleenV (0:
I hope it won't be Stalingrad
I'm unsure if I'm a white hat or black hat in this scenario
I'm a grey hat
but I'm getting really fed up and there's going to be a lot of yelling soon
17:15
And I'm bored Colleen. BORED.
I wanna DO something.
No good can come of a bored grey hat
A chat event. A tag mass-editing. Drama. Anything
@snailplane I like Top of the morning, too!, though it's not my personal phrase.
@ColleenV (ノ`´)ノ ~┻━┻ ~
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Oh, well, I don't really say it seriously myself. Just for fun :-)
17:16
go find some posts that only have the sentences tag and fix them :)
@M.A.R. Make two statements, one true and one false, and we will guess which is which.
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Q: Sentence structure for requesting a question to other person

OscarWhich one would be correct, please a) Just ask him if he has received the payment b) Just ask him has he received the payment c) Just ask him whether he has received the payment

@ColleenV And replace it with what? I need everyone to help me redesign this tagging thing.
The thing is, if I start fixing a tag, I'll break something else.
Another bad tag will show up.
Anonymous
@JimReynolds The following statement is true. The preceding statement is false.
Break the other thing first!
O.O
17:17
But if we make a list of tags that should go, Colleen, and even better, delete them first, I'm all up for getting my ELL Copy Editor badge.
This statement is sometimes false and sometimes true.
Ah, a new bounty!
Do you know Russell's Paradox?
Anonymous
@M.A.R. We shouldn't just remove tags by hand. There's no use to that. We can retag questions, though.
It's described in several common versions. I like the teacup one.
@JimReynolds I know Paradox's Russel.
17:19
We need to burninate sentences, but I'm a newb and need to figure out how
@snailplane We can burn a lot of tags, then sit and tag the untagged.
@JimReynolds I can't say that I not know or know or partially know.
Anonymous
@M.A.R. That's not ideal, though.
[grammar] is STILL being applied to questions, people.
@snailplane So we just sit and do nothing?
17:20
@M.A.R. Still is the most commonly used tag, I think.
Anonymous
@M.A.R. Well, that's your proposed plan of action. I never suggested anything of the sort.
It goes like this. You are familiar with the idea of a set. A set is a collection or group that contains elements or members.
Anonymous
Like I said, retag.
Some sets are members of themselves.
Here is a question which hasn't got attention
17:20
@snailplane So a retagging event? If it's not organized we'll wreck havoc.
For example, the set of all non-teacups.
Anonymous
If you need to stop the tag from being applied to new questions in the meantime, blacklist it.
@JimReynolds A-ha! Is this about one of our questions today?
@snailplane If only I could.
Anonymous
But don't just remove the tag from questions before looking at them.
17:21
No. It is related to snailplane's paradox.
@DamkerngT. Nah, that's just Jim.
I suppose that's a paradox.
Can you see how the set of all non-teacups is a member of itself?
You're a paradox.
Anonymous
Jim is trying to prevent me from taking credit for my completely original logic bomb.
Being arrested: formation of passive participle clause
meaning sentence-construction
How the following first sentence is formed into passive participle clause:
1. After being arrested, he was taken to the police station.
2. After having been arrested,he was taken to the police station.
I know 'after having+past participle' refers to the completed action before the action of main clause but I don't know about 'after being+past participle'. I think the first with 'being+p.p' is an example of passive participle clause. For example:
17:22
I'm trying to move on from attempting to process it!
But I do like those things. Maybe not at 1:22am, this am.
Unfortunately I have to get back to work and inform some people they are incompetent, but in a way that doesn't make them cry. Thanks for making me smile on my break
and giving me something else to think about
teary-eyed is ok though?
Unfortunately It Got no answers
17:24
@ColleenV I did?
I guess thinking about it is better than not thinking about it.
This chat is really random today.
@snailplane hi
Or maybe we're just having too many conversations at the same time.
I guess it's the latter. :D
17:25
@M.A.R. so do I think
@yubrajsharma 'After having been arrested' doesn't make much sense to me.
@yubrajsharma If no one answers your question in here, it's because no one wants to.
2 hours ago, by M.A.R.
@JimReynolds Thou shalt not be meanth
Sometimes people answer. Sometimes they don't.
Or blunth
17:26
I am trying to be helpful.
> To maintain cell viability and prevent the cells from contamination, the cell banks are stored in liquid nitrogen vapors at the correct ultra-low temperature. (would this mean theye are stored at exactly the same temperature? I want the meaning to be "at the temperature befitting this specific cell bank)
Not everyone knows chatroom decorum like me.
@yubrajsharma So you don't have Wren and Martin's, I suppose?
@JimReynolds I don't know how people consider my questions
Well, people are talking to you now.
But the purpose of this room is not to answer every question that people ask.
17:29
@JimReynolds I would have to have patience to get answers !!!
@DamkerngT. What? Book ?
@DamkerngT. What kind of book ?
I thought it's very popular and virtually all students in India must be using or have used it.
Hey, now available on Kindle! Why did I buy its paper version!?!
Anonymous
I'm sorry, I do want to help, I just feel a bit weary at the moment.
@DamkerngT. Oh I don't have this book! !!
Anonymous
So I thought a bit of light-hearted chat might be in order :-)
Anonymous
@yubrajsharma Please don't post more questions yet. Wait to see how your current questions are received by the community.
17:33
> 273. Participles sometimes contain an implied meaning, which can be more fully
expressed by changing the participial phrase into a clause of: (a) time, (b) cause, (c)
concession, or (d) condition. [See 269.]
Anonymous
And please try not to duplicate your own questions.
@snailplane I was not going to post questions anymore !!!
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. I like paper better, but sometimes I like to have both :-)
> (a) Having done his lesson (= after he had done his lesson), he went out to play cricket. Walking along the street one day (= while I was walking along the street one day) I saw a dead cobra.
Anonymous
When we got Samuel Martin's (no relation) Reference Grammar of Japanese, I bought one copy for myself, and we bought another copy to send to get scanned so that we could have a PDF copy, too.
Anonymous
17:35
Scanning the book destroys it.
> (b) Being overpowered (= because he was overpowered), he surrendered. Running at top speed (= because he ran at top speed), he got out of breath.
Anonymous
So now I have a PDF and a paper copy, too.
> (c) Possessing all the advantages of education and wealth (= although he possessed all the advantages of education and wealth), he never made a name.
Anonymous
I prefer to read on paper, but I prefer to search on a computer. :-)
> (d) Following my advice (= if you follow my advice), you will gain your object. Seven were killed, including the guard (= if the guard is included).
Yay! Done!
17:37
Oh !!!! Being+past participle has a lot of usage,I couldn't understand but be confused
@snailplane Aww
Keep in mind that language is like water, so rigid rules may not cover every possible case, but textbook descriptions would usually be a good start.
@JimReynolds I still hope to get answers of my questions
@DamkerngT. Yeah you're correct! !!!
Why do you want to learn grammar rules?
@DamkerngT. Do I have to buy the book? Or I can download it on free?
> Our mutable tongue is like the sea,
Curled wave and shattering thunder-fit;
Dangle in strings of sand shall he
Who smoothes the ripples out of it.
17:41
@yubrajsharma I'm not sure about its ebook, but I gathered that it's pretty cheap in India.
It's more expensive to me because of the shipping cost, among other things.
Anonymous
You might ask for @Man_From_India's opinion about that book.
Anonymous
I think he has one he would be willing to share. :-)
@JimReynolds Just because I love English language
@CowperKettle See, dangling stuff is everywhere!
@DamkerngT.oh !!!
Anonymous
17:43
@DamkerngT. It's true! Join the Fellowship of the Predicative Adjunct!
Oops. Sleep emergency. I'm crashing. nighty-night!
Anonymous
@JimReynolds Rest well!
@snailplane Do I need a ring or something to join the fellowship?!
@DamkerngT. But he isn't online now !!!!
17:44
@JimReynolds Have a nice slumber. :D
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. While a common practice, members of the Fellowship do not need rings.
Yay! Well, I'm going to sign up!
I'll sign up first.
@yubrajsharma I think he'll come in soon, tomorrow.
@DamkerngT. Please tell him @Man_From_India about me !!
@yubrajsharma Okay, if I meet him first. :-)
@snailplane Haha!
@Man_From_India He must have slept!!!!
Good evening
> The cell banks are subject to periodic control at least once every 5 years, in compliance with the WHO recommendations. (Is this okay? Can "control" be used instead of inspection/monitoring)
@V.V. Good evening!
17:47
Privet!
Zdorovo!
@CowperKettle 'periodic control' sounds like jargon when it's not. So I would change it.
OOh! Mar!
OOOOOOOH
@M.A.R. But Russian translators will slip into "control" because it is called "periodic control" in Russian. If they will not use it, they will use a bevy of different words (inspection, test, monitoring), which means our translations will not be harmonized. So maybe "control" is marginally acceptable.
17:50
I like 'periodic inspection' more.
@M.A.R. this is the best event!
I use "periodic monitoring", because the WHO guideline seems to use it.
@V.V. What event?
Anonymous
@CowperKettle Oh, that's a really frustrating thing to me.
@CowperKettle THEN RISE AGAINST THE TIDE
17:50
But I like "periodic inspection" the best
Anonymous
When multiple translators translate the same thing in different ways, and people don't realize they refer to the same thing.
@snailplane Exactly
I'm now want to use "having" in the following sentence tell me if it's correct or not: write a sentence having the use of past tense.
Anonymous
It's a very frequent problem.
Anonymous
I mean, it's bad enough how many names something can have in one language. When you add in more languages, you get name soup :-)
Anonymous
17:51
@yubrajsharma Write a sentence using the past tense.
@snailplane The manager told that they think of setting up some kind of harmonization system, but that system would require a dedicated translator (or a dozen) who will use 0% of their time actually translating and 100% of the time harmonizing the terminology
I have asked many questions here having the use of "would"
Anonymous
@CowperKettle Now there's a fun job.
@snailplane (0:
What's about the second sentence?
I have asked many questions here having the use of "would"
@snailplane????
17:54
@yubrajsharma This pings? It shouldn't . . .
> I've asked a lot of questions (here) about the use/usage of would (here).
And there are lots of other possible variations.
@snailplane were my sentences wrong with" having"?
Anonymous
The problem is that you wouldn't say have the use, you'd say use.
@DamkerngT. I was wrong to use "having" ?
@yubrajsharma Why do you think it sounds good in any way?
Anonymous
17:56
@M.A.R. It did.
Anonymous
If have the use made sense, you could use having:
Anonymous
> Having the use of both legs at long last, he was no longer confined to the wheelchair.
@snailplane I couldn't understand why I was wrong to use "having"
Anonymous
It's not related to the use of -ing.
A frozen zoo is a storage facility in which genetic materials taken from animals (e.g. DNA, sperm, eggs, embryos and live tissue) are gathered and thereafter stored at very low temperatures in tanks of liquid nitrogen waiting to be reprogrammed into stem cells for optimal preservation over a long period (see cryopreservation). Some facilities also collect and cryopreserve plant material (usually seeds). Zoos such as the San Diego Zoo and research programs such as the Audubon Center for Research of Endangered Species cryopreserve genetic material in order to protect the diversity of the gene pool...
17:59
I got confused why I was wrong
@yubrajsharma Probably a better question is "why do you think you're right?" -- This might sound harsh, but it's very fundamental.
If you learn bits and pieces of something and try to put those pieces together in your own way, why would you think your results will be similar to those by others?
@DamkerngT. I'm not joking
In short, in language learning, imitation is king.
@yubrajsharma Me either
I was trying to convince you to think about your learning process.
@DamkerngT. Oh I see !!!
18:04
@DamkerngT. King Imitation VI was such a good man.
@DamkerngT. Yeah !
Do you know him personally?
Yubraj please use correct spacing around punctuation marks. No spaces before dots, colons etc.
@yubrajsharma Huh? MAR wasn't serious. :-)
@DamkerngT. I'm always dead serious. ಠ_ಠ
18:06
Hehe!
Then can't I use "having the use of ?
@snailplane gave you one legit example.
It means I was wrong to write"I have asked many questions having the use of "would"?
It at least sounds unidiomatic.
Isn't it grammatically correct?
18:10
Why do I know this? Or do I think I know this? It's because I've never seen or heard anyone use it this way.
@yubrajsharma Well, I'd better leave that kind of judgement to others.
FWIW, to many people, whether a sentence is grammatical or not is usually not black-and-white.
"I have seen many people having no money" and this ?
@DamkerngT. is there a reason for changing your name once again?
@V.V. You mean MAR, I think. :-)
@DamkerngT. is there a reason for changing your name once again?
Sorry, I meant @M.A.R.
18:12
@yubrajsharma This one sounds a lot better than the previous example.
@V.V. Since I want to keep one name from now on.
M.A.R. will never morph into anything else anymore.
Is there any option for this sentence to replace with?
@yubrajsharma You can always phrase it plainly, like, I've seen many people who have no money.
Googled for it, and got a great answer
@CowperKettle No, Google. He didn't mean 100g. ಠ_ಠ
18:21
@M.A.R. LOL
@CowperKettle Only 23%! I thought it was more than that!
@DamkerngT. It is quite high
@DamkerngT. 23 grams is crazy though
For the majority of fruit(s?) it is 12 g per 100 g
@CowperKettle I thought it was more like 40-50%!
18:22
No, 40-50% is white bread
nods
Hah! It's only 28% for rice!
Yes, rice is a healthy food
71% in wheat!
@CowperKettle It's delicious, too, I must add. :D
Stop! You've already overeaten your soup.
18:24
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Oh, tofu has only 1.4% carb. I guess it was the water that caused me the bellyache. :P
Ah, my previous sentence wasn't any good! I mixed 'cost me something' up with 'cause something'!
Is it possible to share where we all are from ?
@yubrajsharma It's in my profile.
18:45
Life is going on.You are enjoying your chat. I saw Jim R. offered a bounty. Btw, Mar, new color is nice.
Thanks
 
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Anonymous
20:26
@yubrajsharma I live in California, in the United States.
21:04
Hi! @Explette
Welcome to the room! Please wait a moment.
Oh, I can't add a write access in chat to your account, @Explette. I'm sorry.
The chat system informed me that "Users must have at least 20 reputation to talk".
21:34
sigh
And why is everything in this question "community wiki"?
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Q: Is 'if there's any' grammatical in this sentence?

user43205Is if there's any grammatical in the sentence below? I'll need to look up Huddleston and Pullum's opinion on this issue, if there's any. The source is the last sentence of an answer on this website. To me, there is can't be contracted here. But I can't explain why. Is it because the verb ...

 
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Q: Is the term "African" applicable to people who aren't ethnically African?

Andrew GrimmA person on a language correction site who describes themself as having a native language of Afrikaans and as being born in a small village in West Africa has said that they are "African", and I'm not sure whether that is correct English. (I'm only guessing that the person isn't ethnically Africa...

Africa is a continent, and I have to repeat: there is no African ethnicity. And you can't confuse US usages with other usages. Anyone born and raised in African is African: there are all sorts of backgrounds in Africa: actual native Africans and those who came from India, the Netherlands, Lebanon, Syria etc. Not all Africans are "black". — Lambie 19 mins ago
Huh?!
There is no such thing as "African ethnicity"?
And it doesn't sound anything like what Dr. Spencer Wells (rather more creatively) said:
> You and I, in fact everyone all over the world, we’re literally African under the skin; brothers and sisters separated by a mere two thousand generations. Old-fashioned concepts of race are not only socially divisive, but scientifically wrong.
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