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1:52 AM

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Q: Which pronunciation is more prevalent; /ə/ or /ӕ/?

at hearing one has got a fortune . . . at last . . . whom I had never heard . . . at a table . . . (Jane Eyre) If Jim Dale (who reads the Harry Potter series) had read Jane Eyre, I think he would have pronounced all the a sounds as schwa /ə/; yet a recording on Librivox.org has the /ӕ/ sound...

pronunciation

should be reopened.

it's a legitimate question about how schwas work.

and vowel reduction.

voted

actually, it seems like a question about appropriate speech styles, primarily.

Shraddha Patel

5:03 AM

@DamkerngT. I am also good :)

V.V.

5:47 AM

-24°C. Nice poems, good translation.

Anonymous

@V.V. Brr!

Jim Reynolds

9:13 AM

@Man_From_India is still alive, I see! And still delicious?

CopperKettle

9:46 AM

How about expressions in infix form then? I was given an answer that one should not use the definite article there. — CopperKettle 40 secs ago

That's a quote from a question you asked, @DamkerngT.

Damkerng T.

Thanks!

> But saying, "we write expressions in the infix form" is as incorrect as saying, "we write expressions in the exponential notation."

The two answers (in our two questions) seem to take different stances, though.

CopperKettle

Yes, but Tromano's over-generalizing answer might mislead someone.

Damkerng T.

But is it?

CopperKettle

? So we can write "in the infix form"?

Damkerng T.

I can't see why plurality has to do with the pattern.

That's precisely where the two answers are different.

CopperKettle

9:54 AM

Plurality?

Damkerng T.

> Because "infix form" is a non-count noun phrase. That is, it's not a phrase that would make sense in the plurality, such as referring to "the infix forms". There is only one infix form, and it is what you will be writing the expression in.

The pattern is "in (the) something" when "something" belongs to a class of some nouns.

CopperKettle

I too did not understand that point. I just made a mental note not to use the in expressions like "in infix form"

Damkerng T.

("form" in our questions)

nods

I think our questions share the same fundamental grammar point.

Anonymous

@CopperKettle In what context?

CopperKettle

> We can immediately start entering expressions, to see what ghci will do with them. Basic arithmetic works similarly to languages like C and Python: we write expressions in infix form, where an operator appears between its operands.

This wedge operator is weird.

Anonymous

9:59 AM

That's probably a good place to not use the.

CopperKettle

nods

But what contexts invite the use of the with "infix form"?

Anonymous

mathworld.wolfram.com/ReversePolishNotation.html

CopperKettle

> Reverse Polish notation, also known as postfix notation, contrasts with the "infix notation" of standard arithmetic expressions in which the operator symbol appears between the operands.

I guess even here we might omit the

Anonymous

It's better with the.

CopperKettle

It's an introduction, after all.

It boggles the mind. We use it for the first time, and with the. What Hell?

Anonymous

10:05 AM

But there's an of-PP following.

CopperKettle

Ah!

Anonymous

If you got rid of that of-PP, you might just say infix notation without the.

Anonymous

apt.cs.manchester.ac.uk/projects/tools/lard/tutorial/infix.html

Damkerng T.

But what about "in (the) X form/notation/etc." in general?

CopperKettle

> This example demonstrates the infix notation by writing a function that extracts a bit field from an integer. Here's what we want to do:

Anonymous

10:08 AM

It's the infix notation which is available in LARD.

Damkerng T.

"We demonstrate (the?) past participle form by ..."

CopperKettle

*demonstrate

Damkerng T.

or even simpler, "We show examples in (the?) past participle form below:"

CopperKettle

I was writing a calculator program in C using inverse Polish notation to parse the input (0:

I haven't finished it though. (I didn't finish it though?)

Damkerng T.

It's a fun exercise!

CopperKettle

10:12 AM

Yes, it was interesting.

I still have the book "1001 hints on using C and C++"

Damkerng T.

Perhaps it depends on whether or not you're still writing it or will come back to it.

Anonymous

Both the past participle form and past participle form are grammatical. (Also consider (the) past participial form.)

Anonymous

books.google.com/ngrams/…

Damkerng T.

@CopperKettle I don't know that book, but the title sounds nice.

Anonymous

I guess the generalization should talk about when you should use the, when you should use another determiner, and when it's okay to use a bare NP (no determiner).

Anonymous

10:15 AM

Like, for example: the verb appears in its past participle form ← This uses another determiner.

Damkerng T.

nods

Anonymous

I don't have a good answer to your question off the top of my head.

Damkerng T.

I think it can be very tricky sometimes, because it (form and friends) can't always be a mass noun.

CopperKettle

@snailboat If you find a good answer, a guerdon of 100 points awaits you.

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Q: With or without 'the' in "in (the) present participle form"?

Consider the two following extracts: [...], which precedes the main verb in the present participle form, working. –The Teacher's Grammar of English with Answers: A Course Book and Reference Guide If you use the verb dye in present participle form, the e must be retained to avoid confus...

articles definite-article

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Damkerng T.

Hah, a bounty!

Anonymous

10:18 AM

@DamkerngT. The verb appears in one of its participial forms, either present or past.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Yes!

Anonymous

When a noun combines freely with a cardinal numeral determiner in the relevant sense, we can call it a count noun (in that sense). One form, two forms, three forms.

CopperKettle

@DamkerngT. I've just taken it from the shelf to see who wrote it. It's a guy named Kris Jamsa.

Damkerng T.

Never heard of the guy either. Perhaps he is relatively young.

CopperKettle

This is a 1993 book, so that's unlikely!

Damkerng T.

10:21 AM

Hmm... not that young!

I'm sure I've never read his books.

CopperKettle

nods

Damkerng T.

I think Ritchie just passed away some years ago.

(the Ritchie in K&R)

CopperKettle

Dennis Ritchie

Dennis MacAlistair Ritchie (September 9, 1941 – c. October 12, 2011) was an American computer scientist. He created the C programming language and, with long-time colleague Ken Thompson, the Unix operating system. Ritchie and Thompson received the Turing Award from the ACM in 1983, the Hamming Medal from the IEEE in 1990 and the National Medal of Technology from President Clinton in 1999. Ritchie was the head of Lucent Technologies System Software Research Department when he retired in 2007. He was the "R" in K&R C, and commonly known by his username dmr. == Personal lifeEdit == Ritchie was born...

Damkerng T.

nods

Ahh... I didn't know his middle name.

CopperKettle

What led me to your question, Dam, was this:

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Q: "Since first grade" versus "Since the first grade"

Is "the" used in the following, and why? I've been learning Latin since [the / no "the"] first grade. I think that "I've been learning Latin since first grade" and "I've been learning Latin since the first grade of high school" both sound more natural than their alternatives "I've been lear...

definite-article time

Damkerng T.

10:26 AM

Ahh

CopperKettle

This guy mentions your question in his question.

Damkerng T.

Oh! :-)

CopperKettle

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Damkerng T.

I think the is dropped (in "since (the) Nth grade") more often in speech.

Mentioning K&R reminds me that "The C Programming Language" is one of the most beautifully written books ever written, IMHO.

At the time I read it, my English wasn't good enough to know whether their sentences were great or not, but the most striking thing to me was how they explained things.

CopperKettle

I've only got the 1001 tips book and Bjarne Stroustrup's book on C++.

Damkerng T.

10:32 AM

I admit that I haven't read BS's book.

CopperKettle

Me neither. Or maybe I read only parts of it. I don't recall.

Damkerng T.

Shortening his name like that looks a bit strange!

Perhaps only parts of it, yes.

CopperKettle

Yes, BS is an infelicitous acronym in English.

Damkerng T.

Well, try Frank Underwood. :P

CopperKettle

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BBL!

Damkerng T.

10:35 AM

I knew it! I knew I could find it on the web: thewardrobe.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/hoc11.jpg

See you later!

(Frank Underwood's bodyguard gave him those pins(?) as souvenirs.)

Araucaria

Hi all!

Damkerng T.

Hi!

I was about to leave, but is there anything I can help right now?

Araucaria

@dam, @snail, @copper, @stoneyB I'm here canvassing for some good answers to this question:

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Q: Is "A Star Shoots" a complete sentence?

A star shoots. I read something like this somewhere. Can this be thought of as a complete sentence? How does one analyze this, grammatically? It looks as though it is missing some phrase. On the other hand we do say shooting star, so it isn't very clear if this is a complete sentence or not.

complementation transitivity complete-sentence

Damkerng T.

What? -2?

Oh, I skipped that one.

Araucaria

@DamkerngT. So if you have some free time, maybe you could write an answer! :-)

@DamkerngT. Seem appealing?

Damkerng T.

10:48 AM

Let me read it first. But if even you got -2...

Araucaria

Anyhow, think about it. Don't want to keep you! I've got to go back to the classroom too :-) Catch you guys later if you're around ... :)

Damkerng T.

Catch you later!

Damkerng T.

11:09 AM

Yay! It's 19C outside! (Lowest in the last two years, I think.)

(Probably even lower than that in the wind, but my thermometer says 19.)

CopperKettle

@DamkerngT. Right now, it is a wall of snow here. Beautiful. The forecast is for 30 centimeters of snow over 2 days.

Damkerng T.

Hehe! It's only some centimeters of rain over here. Never of snow. :P

CopperKettle

Damkerng T.

If there had been fewer cars, it would've been perfect!

CopperKettle

There are a lot of buildings further, but they are hidden by the snow.

@DamkerngT. Yes.

Damkerng T.

11:15 AM

Ah, yes. They had to turn on the headlamps.

CopperKettle

> He stood sprayed by a Niagara of sound—the crash of the elevated trains, clanging cars, pounding of rubberless tires and the antiphony of the cab and truck-drivers indulging in scarifying repartee.

Damkerng T.

Eww!

CopperKettle

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Damkerng T.

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Q: How to invite a couple when I don't know husband's name?

On an invitation card... Mr and Mrs Jack Anderson works very well. It includes both Mr. Jack Anderson and his wife. The beauty of this style is, I need not know Jack's wife's name. Here, Jack is my friend and I know him. Personally, I'm quite terrible at names. So, what if I know Julie W...

american-english british-english style abbreviations

> On an invitation card...
Mr and Mrs Jack Anderson

Wait, what?!

"Mr and Mrs Jack Anderson"!

> British point of view:
Many women nowadays would be annoyed to get an invitation addressed to "Mr and Mrs Jack Anderson".

(From an answer in that question) -- So, Mr and Mrs Jack Anderson is used elsewhere. Or was?

Time to check my style guides!

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. I think that's the traditional way of doing it.

Anonymous

11:28 AM

I think it's more about customs changing over time than being confined to a particular place, but I don't really know.

Damkerng T.

> Names and titles. When sending or replying to formal invitations, always use full names where appropriates, always use full names where appropriate, including first names. Traditionally, a wife's first name is omitted, if she is grouped together with her husband: hence Mr and Mrs Ivor Stanton. Children under the age of 15 are usually identified by their forenames alone when they are listed together with their parents.

Anonymous

Well, it's not just that. Traditionally people would write Mrs Ivor Stanton, not even coordinated with Mr!

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Damkerng T.

> [...]

> Traditionally, when you send an invitation to a married couple or a family, you put the name of the wife alone on the envelope. But on the card you specify exactly who is invited -- for example, Mr and Mrs Clive Norris or Mr and Mrs Clive Norris, Andrew, Shirley, and Paul.

Anonymous

(I'm ignoring whether a full stop is used.)

Anonymous

Wikipedia says:

Damkerng T.

11:30 AM

Hmm... I think my book has a typo. It should've been "the husband alone". (Reader's Digest How to Write and Speak Better)

Anonymous

> Mrs was most often used by a woman when married, in conjunction with her husband's first and last names (e.g., Mrs John Smith). A widow was and still is addressed with the same title as when she was married.

Anonymous

> Mrs was rarely used before a woman's first name, her maiden name, or a hyphenated surname her husband was not using. For example, Mrs Jane Miller (wife of John Smith), Mrs Jane Smith, or Mrs Jane Miller-Smith were considered incorrect by many etiquette writers, especially of the early 20th century.[3]

Anonymous

From Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrs.

Damkerng T.

nods

Anonymous

That whole section is kind of shocking from a modern perspective.

Damkerng T.

11:34 AM

Thai laws were changed some years ago. It had been changed before to allow women to keep their last names when they get married. The recent change was to allow women to use "Miss" (an equivalent to, that is) instead of "Mrs" after a divorce or becoming a widow.

(Strange that I thought of Thai laws as singular and plural at the same time.)

Anonymous

I guess we can talk about it either way.

Anonymous

Thai law was changed. Thai laws were changed.

Damkerng T.

Only a few laws in the whole law were changed. Probably that was why it came out from me that way.

> (The exception is royalty. It's correct to refer to the wives of British princes by their husband's name if they're not royal themselves when using the title of Princess. The Duchess of Cambridge is also Princess William of Wales.)

This is absolutely new to me!

"Princess William of Wales"

I wonder if "Mrs Julie Watson and husband" works.

(I'm pretty sure it works in Thai, but as you may know, Thais are rather relaxed, most of the time.)

(And people may wonder, how hard would it be to find out what her husband's name is?)

Damkerng T.

2:02 PM

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A: "Since first grade" versus "Since the first grade"

No, it has to do with the "of high school" part. Since you could mean the first grade of elementary school, or the first grade of high school, each of which are a first grade, you use the to emphasize you mean a certain first grade, the first grade of high school. Also, in American English, "fi...

Interesting...

In a way, the use of the definite article in this case would make it less definite, like, first grade of what?!

While first grade alone is specific, because everyone knows which first grade it is. (like "in the air". "Wait, what air?" "You know, 'the air'.")

CopperKettle

2:15 PM

A good quote from Uly:

> Just like things need to be "a" before they can be "the," things need to be "this" before they can be "it."

Jim Reynolds

2:38 PM

Was there a New York Times?

CopperKettle

Where?

Damkerng T.

2:54 PM

The one before The New York Times, I suppose. :D

BTW, this is sad news...

huffingtonpost.com/entry/…

> Scientists Discover Why Spider-Man Wouldn't Be Able To Scale Walls In Real Life

Unless he had feet of the size of "shoes in European size 145 or U.S. size 114," study co-author Walter Federle said in a press release."

Before you're asking, which scientists? Here you go:

cam.ac.uk/research/news/…

Very sad news for Spidey!

CopperKettle

Seems like Van Der Waals forces are not enough to hold Spidey.

Damkerng T.

nods

Damkerng T.

3:20 PM

@FumbleFingers my real real reason is a homework. I'm trying to convert some sentences and this I didn't succeed. — Pichi Wuana 18 secs ago

Oh, no! It was a homework question!

Nicolas Raoul

Hello! How do you call these tiny houses made of a few cardboard boxes? Made by homeless people.

with the boxes making a roof, not just used to sleep on.

commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Japanese_homeless_housing.jpg uses "Homeless housing" which sounds like a paradox to me.

"street swelling" maybe?

Damkerng T.

A homeless house is okay, probably. I may call it a shack or a shed. (I'm not a native speaker, though.)

CopperKettle

3:37 PM

Makeshift houses?

@NicolasRaoul You probably meant "dwelling". But you might ask this question on the site.

Damkerng T.

nods -- A nice option. These houses(?) could be permanent (sort of), though.

I just wrote a quick answer and some quick comments. And now I regret that I didn't even took a time to read them before hitting the Enter key. :-)

I'm sure there are lots of typos and some grammatical mistakes in them.

Nicolas Raoul

@DamkerngT. Yes I will ask. Thanks! :-)

Damkerng T.

No problem. Looking forward to seeing your question over there soon. :D

Nicolas Raoul

@DamkerngT. ell.stackexchange.com/questions/79773/… :-)

Damkerng T.

Ah, if you used that picture, I'd answer without hesitation that it's a "box". :-)

The one in the photo you posted here (in the chat) looks a bit more sturdy.

Mentioning "government agencies or NGOs" is a very good idea, though. Good job!

Now I wonder what the UN would call this kind of home or house.

Nicolas Raoul

3:48 PM

Yes I am after the one made out of boxes. The image link above is a bit higher-class than what I am looking for.

CopperKettle

I might call it a "makeshift cardboard shelter". I don't know if there is a single word that means this. — Era 4 mins ago

"makeshift" is a good adjective for this type of dwelling

Damkerng T.

Ah, shelter would be my third pick (after shack, shed).

Come to think of it, why didn't I think of shelter first?!

CopperKettle

I recall there is a type of shelter when you lean.. ah. "lean-to"? (goes to his dictionary)

Lean-to

A lean-to is a type of simple structure originally added to an existing building with the rafters "leaning" against another wall. Free standing lean-to structures are generally used as shelters. One traditional type of lean-to is known by its Finnish name laavu. == Lean-to buildings == A lean-to is originally defined as a building in which the rafters lean against another building or wall, a penthouse. A lean-to shelter is a free standing structure with only three walls and a single-pitched roof. The open side is commonly oriented away from the prevailing winds and rains. Often it is a r...

No, that is for hiking..

Damkerng T.

I think the left one in the illus is a lean-to, but is the right one is a lean-to, too?

Hmm... it looks like it has two meanings.

CopperKettle

Living in a Box (song)

"Living in a Box" is a song by Living in a Box released in 1987 as their debut single and the first single from their self-titled debut album of the same name. The song has many features of a 1980s song, including a synthesizer-led beat, with Richard Darbyshire's soulful vocal delivery over it. It was the group's biggest hit single on either side of the Atlantic, reaching #5 on the UK Singles Chart and becoming the group's only Top 40 hit in the United States, peaking at #17 on the Billboard Hot 100. The song was covered by Bobby Womack, who had worked with Living in a Box on their debut album...

Damkerng T.

4:00 PM

:D

CopperKettle

De Interwebz is queer.

BBL! (0:

Damkerng T.

See you later!

CopperKettle

4:38 PM

@CopperKettle: Luxury! When I were a lad, we lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank, before the council upgraded us to a small shoebox in the middle of the road. (But we were 'appy! :) — FumbleFingers 33 secs ago

Monty Python - Four Yorkshiremen

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Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

6:25 PM

ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

Y U NO TALK WHEN I IZ HERE?

Damkerng T.

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. BCZ TS FRZNG

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

\o

Damkerng T.

o/

I was cleaning up some of my tabs. Didn't watch this one.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Oh, here comes the big guy.

Damkerng T.

But I was able to notice your message because of the (2) in the tab's title.

Hello, @StoneyB!

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

6:28 PM

BTW what's the temperature there right now?

Damkerng T.

I'm sure it's below 19.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

It just got to 0 deg C here, and the little water on the streets froze. It's a scary slide.

17!

Hi @DamkerngT.

Hi!

6:29 PM

Low

Damkerng T.

For someone who always live in 28C or above. 17C is really cold!

StoneyB

9C here, which is quite warm for this time of year.

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

I was slipping on thin, indestructible, shiny ice.

It is scary.

I hope my dad's car makes it home. :P

@StoneyB Pfft

Damkerng T.

Oh, slippery could be dangerous.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

6:31 PM

Well, it's the worst kind of slippery here. The taxi didn't even drive close, I had to walk 2 kms.

Damkerng T.

BTW, I think it's the active-passive voice season again.

Need some help.

@DamkerngT. OH CRUD

Fire away!

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Pfft to you, too. And Nyyy, to boot.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

6:31 PM

Haha

@V.V. First, let's empty the drawers.

Damkerng T.

In other news... I have to scroll my window every time I want to search anything on ELL because of the change of the ad size! (I think they changed the page width at the same time.)

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DamkerngT. Zoom out is the only thing you got.

Damkerng T.

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. But the font will make it more difficult to read ELL stuff!

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Hullo @Stoney @Nihil BTW.

@DamkerngT. Use binoculars

Nihilist_Frost

when I first saw the word "sundries", I thought it was "sun-dries"!

StoneyB

6:36 PM

@V.V. We're willing to help you. We're wanting to help you. We're waiting to help you. (with apologies to Bernard Shaw)

Nihilist_Frost

until I realized that it was the plural of "sundry"

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Nihilist_Frost It reminded me of thunder. O_o

BTW what should I call you? @Nih? @Nihi? @Nihil? Definitely not Nihilist, so . . .

Nihilist_Frost

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I chose that username specifically to represent a dilemma: if people would want to refer to me, they would end up having to say very cold words.

I go by "Albert3105" in most other places.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

I'll call you "little Einstein". :P

Damkerng T.

Tag of the Day: malapropisms

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

6:42 PM

BTW @Stoney you should drop in ELU chat a bit more often. It's . . . not as chaotic as it was before.

StoneyB

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I haven't been avoiding it -- it's just the season of the year when I actually have to work at work.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

7:02 PM

@StoneyB （ノT＿T)ノ＾┻━┻

S.R.I

http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/27078884#27078884

@DamkerngT. remind me next time that you're a programmer! :-)

StoneyB

Did @Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. frighten @V.V. away?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Not sure.

@V.V. did I frighten you away?

A good guy's here that wants to help you.

S.R.I

@StoneyB I think you did. Help offered in an overzealous manner :P

Isn't malapropism named after one of those fictional characters? Miss.Malaprop? Killerpatter for caterpillar and all that?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@S.R.I Hmm

S.R.I

7:16 PM

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Hey, what's up?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@S.R.I My phenyl groups

Damkerng T.

@S.R.I :D

S.R.I

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. So you wake up and go to sleep with those?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@S.R.I Molecules don't sleep. We're not futile.

We only stop reacting.

In the case of Tetrakis, we stop catalyzing cross-couplings.

S.R.I

"Never trust an atom. They make up everything"

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/me throws up his hands

groan

StoneyB

7:18 PM

Up an atom.

Damkerng T.

LOL

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@S.R.I Esp. that multiple-face scumbag: Carbon.

S.R.I

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. You talking about ketone, aldehyde and the long carbon chain layer messiness in graphites?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

What?

Graphite is just carbon.

S.R.I

C = O

C - H - O

C - C - C - C - C ....

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

7:21 PM

I'm talking about a branch of . . . that bond doesn't exist . . . chemistry named organic chemistry.

S.R.I

Yes, I understood that. I have had enough of that 15 years ago

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Graphite is only many sheets of only many benzene rings without hydrogen atoms.

@S.R.I But I can't get enough of it now. :(

We can't have a C-H-O bond @S.R.I, that would only be so cool.

S.R.I

Spilling HCOOH is an antsy thing to do

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Haha

S.R.I

but doesn't matter, HCHO is still bugsy

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

7:27 PM

I still haven't figured out the evolutionary advantage of grapefruit taste.

Crazy Ninja

@DamkerngT. @Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Howdy!

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

\o @Craz!

S.R.I

@CrazyNinja Hi, just a note (since this is about Language and includes English anyway) - the word on your profile is 'Flautist', not 'Flutist'

Crazy Ninja

One of HR recruiters called me today and asked me to send the CV alone with the expected salary. My father is not well. I want some money to get medicines for him. should I state that in the response mail. (as a justification of asking a considerable amount of salary)

S.R.I

That might just be my BrE speaking. AmE might disagree

Crazy Ninja

7:35 PM

@S.R.I o.O Nobody told me this before.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Since when are we looking at profiles?

S.R.I

Anything with a human face in it :P

Crazy Ninja

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. @DamkerngT. what is your feedback?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Craz my nerd score in the test number one is 96.

BEAT ON THAT (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

Thank you internet, for becoming stupid again

@CrazyNinja I'm not very familiar with HR mailing conventions.

IMO you shouldn't; but @Dam knows better.

If he shows up.

Crazy Ninja

yeah.. waiting for him now

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

7:40 PM

@Dam he saaaid "waiting for him now"

@DAM

@Damkerng Robot T

Crazy Ninja

meh.... sigh

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Just wait for a little, he's not responding since it's cold.

His CPU circuit works better in warmer climates.

Crazy Ninja

ohh I see

S.R.I

What the...? My nerd score is 94? :O

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

NEEEERRRRRDDD

S.R.I

7:46 PM

Well, I'm not wearing that badge

Damkerng T.

@CrazyNinja I think it's better not to include it in your CV.

Crazy Ninja

@DamkerngT. hm..

As per my understanding of the market, plus the value that I could bring to your organization; considering some other facts, my salary expectation would fall in the range

will this do the work ?

Damkerng T.

nods -- That sounds better.

Crazy Ninja

Ok. Thanks for your response

S.R.I

heh, you certainly don't put that in writing. You're committing that to yourself

Crazy Ninja

7:50 PM

and you too @Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Damkerng T.

No problem . :-)

S.R.I

You may want to say such things in the interview, not in a CV

Crazy Ninja

@S.R.I yeah. I think so

Damkerng T.

nods -- Or directly to the boss, in private, when it's possible and seems appropriate.

But this could turn out either good or bad. So, usually, people don't mention this stuff to their bosses.

But if you're a key person in the office, the big boss usually wants to know.

S.R.I

I do - if I want to get out quickly or stay long. This definitely works :-)

Crazy Ninja

7:52 PM

hmm k

I won't mention about it

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Craz tell your boss I caught a cold.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

8:04 PM

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Q: How to test if a string of words is a grammatical sentence

Is there a way to test to see if a string of words forms a complete sentence? For example: The dog jumped over the fence == Good The cat square seven the triangle == BAD I was thinking the type of words (verb, noun, etc.) and order of the words would help in creating a rule set to test the...

computational-linguistics

Now this is something I'd like.

Damkerng T.

8:20 PM

Nice post!

currently like this:

> m.youtube.com/watch?v=zg5QMysuSYg

This be a good listening practice ;-) m.youtube.com/watch?v=HtifWqsON1g

Nihilist_Frost

8:40 PM

capio

Verb: capiō ‎(present infinitive capere, perfect active cēpī, supine captum); third conjugation iō-variant

I capture, seize, take

Noun: capiō f ‎(genitive capiōnis); third declension

A taking

this guy is why the stupid "I before E except after C" thing exists.

this Latin root generates the vast majority of <cei> in English.

Damkerng T.

I can't figure out the link, but I know "guitar capo"!

Nihilist_Frost

@DamkerngT. click the big word

next to the Wikipedia logo

Damkerng T.

9:04 PM

But why is it about "I before E except C"?

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Q: Accent of Suzi Quatro: pronouncing “stumbling in” as /skʊpələrin/

In the song Stumblin' In a female singer Suzi Quatro (born in Detroit by Italian father and Hungarian mother) repeatedly sings stumbling in (2:55-3:15), but it sounds for me more like /skʊpələrin/ (though, being a foreigner, I may be very prejudiced in English pronunciation). I have occasionally...

pronunciation accent

Hmm... p-t-k confusions are not common in learners, I think.

Damkerng T.

11:21 PM

Note to self: a lot of learners seem to think that reading classic English novels can improve their English better than reading trivial stuff, that it may make their English more "refined"; my opinion is English in novels is just "different", neither better nor worse, just different; it's different in the sense that it's domain specific and that domain is "novels".

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