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@jimsug A noun phrase is a grammatical argument.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M A grammatical argument is pretentious.
@jimsug Pretentious is delicious.
2 is an interesting sentence now! Could be marginal.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M ∴ 1 is delicious
Let's try my simpler example:
10:02
@jimsug Agreed. Let's have some one.
> Improving this house is what I'm doing.
I think that's perfectly natural.
I think the point of it is that as a pro-verb, doing stands for another verb phrase.
More like artificial.
But it doesn't mean that it says, "I'm doing ?improving this house."
@jimsug nods
> I'm _doing_ **what**?
I'm _improving_ **this house**.
10:04
Ugh! I think formatting only works for one-liners.
BTW guys I noticed my Area51 username hasn't changed.
@DamkerngT. yeah but it's too late to separate them now :/
@jimsug Sadly!
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Hope you will use a normal spelling soon.
@DamkerngT. I could always edit your message to make it one-lined :P
@jimsug Oh! I see! :D
10:06
@DamkerngT. Is that some kinda death wish?
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Just a hope! -- Why you little!
@DamkerngT. But you know, that would be mod abuse, and I don't abuse mods. Wait.
@jimsug That's what they all say.
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Q: I have always been pushing vs. I have always pushed?

ApprenticeA mother and a daughter are talking about studies. Then the mother says that the daughter has just got well in the exams because this: "But that's only because I have always pushed you to do something." (Sentence 1) The year is not finished yet and the daughter is still on school. If the imp...

Smelling something intricate...
@DamkerngT. Check the oven.
10:18
As always, StoneyB pointed out the subtle detail nicely.
> Note that this is an experiential perfect, not a resultative perfect
That dude "rock"S.
I guess some readers/learners might've read it as a resultative perfect.
I think I read it as a sentence.
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A: I have always been pushing vs. I have always pushed?

OshnajPresent perfect simple and present perfect continuous We use the present perfect continuous form for an action in progress and, the simple form for a completed action. — I've been learning Russian, but I can't speak it well. — I've learnt a new piece on the piano. I can play i...

This one is blatantly wrong, imho.
@DamkerngT. Why? (Haven't read it yet)
10:21
Because it says, if I'm not mistaken, we have to use the continuous form.
That is, But that's only because I have always been pushing you to do something.
Implication: But that's only because I have always pushed you to do something is incorrect.
And that makes the answer incorrect, imho.
You have to comment, imho.
I'm not confident confident.
Also commenting could generate lots of work.
13 hours ago, by Damkerng T.
Note to self: What is a 'commenting hazard'?
A commenting hazard is something I eat three meals a day at meta.SE.
This is a Q&A site. It's not a lets-correct-answers-by-commenting site.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Haha!
I'm looking for the edit revision of the day.
10:35
@Ahmad We've been discussing your answer a bit here. So I think it's only fair to give you temporary access to the room. -- Please wait.
Welcome to the room, @Ahmad.
o/
Thank you
Hullo @Ahmad! Welcome to the room!
It was a tricky question admittedly. As in, I wasn't sure how to work it out at first :/
Actually if this room is private I can discuss on other rooms, I am just not familiar with the chat room systems
(Actually, I just got disconnected from the Internet for a few minutes.)
10:37
@jimsug You're winking with a slash mouth?
@jimsug Which question? designing....?
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I don't know what you're talking about :|
@Ahmad It is. But if you're keen to talk about language. This room is for you. ;-)
Sure, that is my purpose, then how long!
@jimsug Me neither.
10:38
@Ahmad As long as you want, then. :-)
Actually we had two discussion, one with Mr. Ramazani about using "The"
@Ahmad All rooms are publicly viewable by default, and anyone can talk in them. At 1000 network reputation you can create gallery rooms, where only users you have given permission can talk in the room. However, these rooms are still public and anyone can read the content of them.
nods -- That's why SE adopted the term "gallery" rather than "private". (The information is for Ahmad.)
and one with Jimsug about that "Designing a website...
Which one would you like to discuss first? @Ahmad
10:40
Maybe "the"
I for one think @Ahmad is going to be a constructive member of our community.
I think I may need the link to that question.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M wow, thank you, I hope such
I will back soon, wife is calling
@Ahmad Okay! See you soon!
10:42
I think it was about the vs. a in For the first few weeks after I'd started to work on the new project, I made a lot of mistakes.
That would be highly context dependent, imho.
Or as snailboat said,
yesterday, by snailboat
Well, part of the universe of discourse shared by speaker and listener.
Why didn't I star that?!
Sorry, I am now back
It looks like my internet connection is not very stable, perhaps due to the rain.
Comment of the day:
Deep down, I think we all knew that eventually, the decision to go with a color-blind designer would come back to bite us. — Jaydles ♦ Dec 16 '13 at 19:32
10:45
@Ahmad I posted a bit of my idea above.
I just asked, one may can't start that sentence with an stranger in street
@Ahmad Normally, we wouldn't do that. But it's possible if it makes sense in the context.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I remember that hat!
long time ago, also I asked about the role of adjectives for definate articles
other replied there is no role
Could you give us an example?
What can make the project specfic? could it be "new"
the new project not any other project?! for example
10:49
@Ahmad Language is flexible.
If both the speaker and the listener know what project they're talking about, it's okay to use the.
Crappy translation of the day:
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M It's upboaten in any language. :P
@DamkerngT. And you wonder what that really means?
I know, and for that reason I said it is not a proper way to say this to a stranger, and using article "a" would be more proper
10:51
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Nope. In Japanese, "v" is pronounced /b/. :D
@DamkerngT. you are Japanese?!
@Ahmad No. I'm Thai.
in g-block elements, 2 mins ago, by Martin - マーチン
it just means, upvote first - read later
@Ahmad But a lot of people will use the. Because the project is known to them.
Language is human.
Then what about the hearer?
Sometimes, you want the hearer to say what project?
10:53
Actually just my main question is if I can start such sentence without any context or not
Still thinking... -- I think it's possible to talk about the new project (of the speaker's), even with a stranger.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Yes, sometimes we deliberately introduce such to later say which project, do you meant that way?
@DamkerngT. Exactly.
@Ahmad Ahan.
BTW I'm Persian, lest you forgot. :)
The simply means that there is some expectation on the part of the speaker that the listener has (or will soon have) some familiarity with the subject matter to follow.
lol, right, then you know the in Persian in this case be " Proje he"
10:56
But it's a tricky thing.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M But I think in Pesian we don't emphasize "proje he" but "proje jadid" and the hearer won't ask which project
@Ahmad Persian is very different from English, thus I never try to mix them [sic].
If you have another question, please ask it by clicking the Ask Question button. — inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M 46 secs ago
Or [delete-please]?
Both plzzz.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I didn't got what you mean by that link!
10:59
@Ahmad If you type [tag:flag-plz] it turns into . I meant please flag the answer to which I commented and put the link of.
@Ahmad inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M was asking us to flag that answer, because it's not an answer.
Ah, gotta have my dinner. Be back later. o/
Good, I thought he mean you can ask it as a question !!!
No, haha!
You'll get used to chat conventions.
We chat about a lot of stuff.
Sometimes snails, sometimes language, sometimes tmesis, and sometimes molcules.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Actually behem barkhord!
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M By the way, what means "behem barkhord" in English
@Ahmad It'll watch its steps next time.
@Ahmad Simply put, "it hurt my feelings!"
11:04
Thanks, However, I am still thinking how that "the" works, as I maybe can't say it simply with "a" too
@Ahmad In fact, I think the would be more common than a.
For example can I say you, "in my first days, when I was new to the new computer, I had a lot of mistakes,
or In my first few weeks of the new job, I made a lot of mistakes.
@Ahmad BTW are you okay with language corrections?
Maybe it is just a sign of an omitted relative clause which is implied by "new"
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Language correction? what does it mean? a linguistic term?
@Ahmad I don't think you can use indefinite article there.
11:08
I mean the project which is new
@Ahmad No I mean, correcting the grammar in the sentences you say/type/whatever.
or "the last job I got"
the hearer map "new project" or "new job" to such definations
For example suppose I say ""in my first days, when I was new to the computer, I had a lot of mistakes,", then the hearer will be more confused which computer
Actually, you can use the if there's some info about the unknown thing in that very sentence.
@Ahmad Here, computer is something like a mass noun. It will not get an article.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Correcting by myself or others? if you mean others, I would be so glad ;)
And, it should be made.
@Ahmad No, for example, @snail sometimes reminds me that I shouldn't have used some word in my sentence.
11:12
Sure, would be grateful for that
BBL @Ahmad, I'm gonna say my prayers. Be back in 20 minutes.
Actually I think it is why we are here, however I myself may do a lot of mistakes in chat as I want to be fast
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Good luck, see you
Well, see you later, I also should get back to work, thank you for letting me chat here, bye for now
@Ahmad See you later!
I think both @snailboat and @jimsug can give you a clearer idea why the is possible in a stranger context, if they want to.
Anyway, this makes me think of the wrong direction. It's (almost) always the.
(BTW, though I open a lot of tabs. I still have only around 10k bookmarks. I think the number of my bookmarks are not that many when compared to other people.)
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A: "I don't have the time to cook" or "I don't have time to cook"?

David RicherbyBoth are fine. To me, "don't have the time" implies a long-term situation, whereas "don't have time" could be more temporary. For example, "My life is so busy that I don't have the time to cook" versus "Tonight I'm going to a concert so I won't have time to cook."

^Worth noting
Continue thinking...
The pattern 'the ADJ NOUN' seems to be related to a question we discussed yesterday.
11:53
Intermission...
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Q: "Five thousand tons of water flow/flows"?

user18982 Every minute, five thousand tons of water flow/flows over a cliff into the river below. Should the verb 'flow' be conjugated in singular or plural in this sentence?

I just thought this funny thought...
> Every minute, five thousand tons of water flow(s) over a cliff into the river below.
"How much water flows over the cliff?"
All of it.
"Five thousand tons."
Hey @Dam, we got a question in chem.SE that might interest you (pfft, like there's anything that can't)
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Q: Do Chemists "discover," "invent," or "create" things?

michael_timofeevI am an ESL teacher, and am designing an activity to teach my engineering students the differences between the words "invention," "discovery," "innovation," and "creation," words that are often confusing for non-native speakers (and as I'm finding out, native speakers.) I have looked on the inte...

"How many tons, again?"
"Five thousand tons."
What verb form (plural or singular) would we use if we wanted to expand that question ("How many tons, again?") into a full, complete sentence with a main verb?
@DamkerngT. flow over.
12:01
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I think in the old time, they discovered things. In the modern day, they sometimes invent stuff they can patent. They sometimes create things, too. Sometimes, even atoms!
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M nods -- That's why the sentence is tricky, I think.
Logically, it allows us to think both way.
@DamkerngT. They still discover everyday.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I guess so.
The thing is, I might plan a reaction, and then make it happen at -200 degrees celsius and 120 MPa pressure. Am I still discovering?
Has this happened in the nature before?
If someone did that before or made clear that it will happen as such, I think you just did an experiment or verified the theory.
('Cause someone else already discovered it.)
But was the product discovered or invented?
@DamkerngT. They discovered it in paper. Not IRL.
12:05
36 mins ago, by Damkerng T.
The pattern 'the ADJ NOUN' seems to be related to a question we discussed yesterday.
Still looking for that question...
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M shrug -- I also think different people may use different words, just like the test by NYT we just did.
I wouldn't use discover for the scenario you described, personally.
But what if it has happened before, like in I dunno, some obscure planet outside the Milky Way.
My idea is, if someone documented it, he or she discovered it.
13:02
Good news!
My Kindle is back! Yippie!
Yay! Kindle a candle!
Thanks! Wait, what? A candle?
I still like the TTS of Kindle better than the one on iPad.
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Q: Definite article in phrases

Ahmad 1) In the first few weeks, when I was new to the project, I made a lot of mistakes. 2) In the first few weeks, when I was new to computer (or computers?), I made a lot of mistakes. Is the second example with "new to computer" correct? if yes can I say: 3) In the first few weeks, whe...

Aww... the examples are unfortunate!
13:34
2 hours ago, by Damkerng T.
> Every minute, five thousand tons of water flow(s) over a cliff into the river below.
> Units of measure are treated as collective nouns, taking a singular verb.
- For each patient, 10 mL of whole blood was collected in a clot tube.
The usage is clear, but it doesn't discuss why.
Let's discuss why.
I don't know why.
I think the explanation is a bit misleading.
It suggests that "Units of measure are treated as collective nouns" always.
Aren't they?
I don't think so.
But I agree with the example.
I think 10 mL of whole blood is thought of as a single thing.
It looks ambiguous to me... because
> For each patient, 10 mL was collected in a clot tube. <-- singular
> For each patient, whole blood was collected in a clot tube. <-- still singular
It's unlike:
> The first ten million years were the worse.
> The first ten million years was the worse.
> The first ten million years were enough.
> The first ten million years was enough.
13:57
I dunno why language only mixes me up today.
14:54
A little titbit from a bog-standard web dictionary: " As a pronoun either sometimes occurs in reference to more than two (either of the three children), but any is more common (any of the three children). As a conjunction, either often introduces a series of more than two: pizza topped with either onions, peppers, or mushrooms" The Free Ditctionary.
Perhaps that might be the problem with the answers? Perhaps a little link or quote is more helpful than an opinion? Dunno. No downvotes from me, though
@DamkerngT. You can move those messages to the other room.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Huh?
Aren't you a room owner?
@Araucaria I'm a bit confused. From which question or answer that was?
@Araucaria Hah! I read that as ditchtionary. It could've been a funny joke.
14:57
@DamkerngT. That's the either question
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Yes. But can we do that?
@Araucaria Ah, thanks!
@DamkerngT. You can't?
(I'm still having a problem with my Internet connect.)
@DamkerngT. De nada!
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I don't think I can.
14:58
Make me a room owner for five minutes.
@DamkerngT. Is there really that much rain there?
Okay. Five minutes. :-)
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Yup!
@Araucaria The excerpt is unclear but my understanding of what it is saying is that "all" of the three groups have these powers, so even "any" is wrong. It needs to be all, not either or any.
> Additionally, either of the three powers have internal supervision mechanisms.
The OP did not state what the original version of the sentence was.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M One-minute warning!
15:04
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K I think I'm done.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Heh! You moved my message too! Never mind that, though.
Ohh... I see!
Meh, whatever.
15:06
That's what that's for.
Yeah, that was intended for that which can be done with that.
If you needed tutorials, I'm doing them free.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I think you just did that for me. Thanks!
No probs! What are SE friends for?
Indeed!
O.o They're for "indeed!"?
15:08
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Indeed! :P
About the "either" question, the most curious thing for me is that either (of the three powers) is used with have (instead of has).
So the example in this comment is unclear, imho (whether it should be has or have).
As for the example in the body of your post: I wouldn't be surprised if that excerpt is from a relatively old writing, or from a rather formal or restricted register (e.g. legal stuff). In other words, that type of usage is rather rare. The story on that type of construction is somewhat different (from that of the coordination usage). My MWCDEU provides this example: "… beside him was a telephone through which he could communicate with anyone, on either of the three trains. --Hector Bolitho, A Century of British Monarchy, 1951". (cont.) — F.E. 18 hours ago
1 message moved to ELL's Cabin
Haha what are you doing?
Just testing. :-)
@DamkerngT. So part of what I think is unclear is that I'm pretty sure the original version of the sentence uses "any"... I don't believe it would ever have been written with "either"... I believe the OP is the one who put "either" in the sentence and they are asking if that's an OK construction.
@Catija That's a good point! (Sometimes our users do that.)
Let's see if we can find its original...
The only thing that comes up in Google search results is the question itself.
15:25
Weird. Even just "the General Inspection Office and Bureaucratic Justice" is enough to get only the question as the result.
BTW @Dam I . . .
Finally earned electorate!
Oh! Congrats!
15:27
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M It's time for... robot dance!
┏(--)┛┗(-- )┓┗(--)┛┏(--)┓
No, it's time to celebrate . . . With some weird looks.
I suppose it could be an original sentence? Perhaps he's writing an essay on the three parts of the US government.
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@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Scary!
@Catija Probably. It's strange that I couldn't find even long strings of some key parts in their sentences.
@DamkerngT. Yeah, I've asked them to let us know where the sentence originates.
15:31
nods
16:14
An example of "either of the three * have":
> In the following lines you will get to know about 3 different Software / Workaround methods that will help you to resolve Galaxy Note 3 random restart and reboot problem, and this is because as per the user reviews either of the three methods have worked for the users like a charm.
> Regardless of what open source tools an organization chooses-either it is Hadoop, Spark , Storm or a combination of either of the three-these tools have changed real time business intelligence, as all midsize to large organizations are embracing their advantages.
> The counsel for the defendant no.2 on 20th March, 2014 stated that the defendant no.2 is willing to abide by the said Memorandum of Family Settlement and shall not sell / transfer / encumber the said flat till either of the three plaintiffs have a right of residence therein and shall not disturb the possession, use and enjoyment of the plaintiffs of the said flat and shall not do any other thing prejudicial to the rights of the plaintiffs under the said Memorandum of Family Settlement.
5 pages already...
Let's try "either of the three * has":
> Once either of the three alternative activities has been executed, we merge the flow back in order to execute activity “Park invoice” which is common to all three.
> The first keyword will be DNA, RNA or Protein, representing a cellular process in which either of the three molecular types is a crucial component.
> *The first keyword will be DNA, RNA or Protein, representing a cellular process in which either of the three molecular types has a crucial function.
> When either of the three warring parties has either destroyed two bases or killed all of the guardians and destroyed the others base the War ...
> Still, either of the three alternative has benefits and drawbacks being discussed in this section.
 
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18:49
> It's the issue of friends shilling for eachother, upvoting/accepting only answers from their group. This is primarily an issue which is really obvious with the Indian community but obviously it will exist on some scale within every group.
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Q: Is there any automation to detect/stop shill behaviour?

Nick CardosoI haven't been very active on SO lately because I've been travelling but now after one night back there I've already been bugged by an issue which really grated my nerves the last time I was quite active. It's the issue of friends shilling for eachother, upvoting/accepting only answers from thei...

Facepalm
Now @Dam feels a twitch whenever I talk about my Indian allergy.
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