The Cactus Game Engine

Duga

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[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] 6 commits. 9 opened issues. 1 closed issue. 16 issue comments.

[ckuhn203/VBEX] 36 commits.

[newbiedoodle/CactusPrototype] 2 commits.

[retailcoder/Rubberduck] 10 commits. 1 opened issue. 9 issue comments.

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] 1 commit.

[The-Quill/Cactus] 1 commit.

[Vannevelj/VSDiagnostics] 7 commits. 1 issue comment.

[Zomis/Duga] 4 closed issues. 8 issue comments.

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] ShearOfDoom edited wiki page v0.1.x alpha Documentation

Ethan Bierlein

00:20

@QPaysTaxes I updated the v0.1.x-alpha documentation with a slightly better strucutre.

How should we promote Cactus to attract more visitors to the repo? We're currently at about 4 unique visitors per day, and we've had a total of 455 visitors, and 16 unique visitors, and I think it'd be good if we could attract more attention.

Ethan Bierlein

00:48

@Quill / @AnnonomusPenguin Any ideas?

Quill

01:57

Sorry @all, I've been sick and haven't been on much.

Immediate ideas that come to mind are A) A logo B) a test game, with at least thirty or so rooms C) Xpost it on Reddit

Ethan Bierlein

@Quill Nice, I don't have a Reddit account though. (Darn parents)

Quill

@EthanBierlein Perks of being the only one in the house who can understand the Router settings page :P

Ethan Bierlein

Lol

Quill

I don't know if this applies to Americans, but in Australia if something is cactus usually that means it's screwed.

Ethan Bierlein

Well, okay, let me find some pictures of Cactuses online that aren't copyrighted or need licenses.

Alrighty, what about a barrel cactus for the logo?

Quill

02:10

sure

Ethan Bierlein

Who's going to be our Redditor?

Quill

(MLG Exclusive: SpaceInvaders vs XxIlluminatixX [wow/10] #rekt edition) wow

Ethan Bierlein

k

I take it back, that image is too large, can we use this image instead?

Quill

Sure

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] ShearOfDoom pushed commit 42452432 to master: Update README.md

Quill

02:17

You know, we could post the test game with alongside a python compiler and make a github page like this

Ethan Bierlein

Hmm. interesting...

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] ShearOfDoom created branch gh-pages

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] ShearOfDoom pushed commit ba274f6a to gh-pages: Create gh-pages branch via GitHub

Ethan Bierlein

Hey everybody, we have a website with github pages! shearofdoom.github.io/Cactus

Quill

@EthanBierlein Awesome! I can start on a test game now if you like (Also, edit the room desc)

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] ShearOfDoom pushed commit aa2bc6dc to master: Update README.md

Ethan Bierlein

02:25

Sure, but make sure it uses the source of ShearOfDoom/Cactus :)

room topic changed to Discussion about Cactus: General discussion about Cactus: (github.com/ShearOfDoom/TextEngine); Specs: (docs.google.com/document/d/…); Website: (shearofdoom.github.io/Cactus) [community-project] [fun] [fun] [game] [no-its-an-engine]

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] ShearOfDoom pushed commit a1f3952a to gh-pages: Centered logo.

Ethan Bierlein

Damn, it didn't work.

Quill

<center></center>

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] ShearOfDoom pushed commit d9d58956 to gh-pages: Centered logo. (maybe)

Ethan Bierlein

WHY WON'T IT WORK

AAAAARRRGGGHHH

Quill

02:34

lol, Because you need to put the content between the tags

Ethan Bierlein

I know, that's what I did

Quill

<p><center></center> stuffhere </center> -> <p><center> stuffhere </center>

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] ShearOfDoom pushed commit 9976147e to gh-pages: I think I centered it now.

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] The-Quill commented on commit d9d58956

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<p><center><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/PEO-cactus.svg/64p‌x-PEO-cactus.svg.png" alt="Cactus' Logo" align="middle"></center></p>

Ethan Bierlein

I DID IT YEET

Quill

(desc_exit: str, choices: dict): is declaring the input types a real thing in Python? Terminal is giving syntax errors (Do I have an old version?)

Ethan Bierlein

02:44

@Quill You need to have Python3

Hey, you got the reddit page set up @QPaysTaxes?

And the page too.

Oh well, I don't know about Reddit.

I'll just let you do your thing.

And then when you've set up the "post" or "page" or whatever, just link it in the room desc.

How does reddit work anyways?

Oh and hello @paulbica

Quill

You have reddit, which is the site, then subreddits which are like forum boards

Ethan Bierlein

Ah. Could we do a custom theme for our subreddit?

Quill

Anyone can setup a subreddit, which will look like /r/ followed by the name of the subreddit

@EthanBierlein Yeah, I have experience there

Ethan Bierlein

Cool

Quill

On a subreddit, you can post content, or a direct link.

Ethan Bierlein

02:49

Ah

wat

Hmm, how about /r/CactusTextGameEngine

It's long, but it's more unique.

And descriptive.

Quill

What about /r/CactusGameEngine

Ethan Bierlein

Alright then, we can do that.

Quill

Oh, also, if someone wants to mess about with some CSS, take a look here

Ethan Bierlein

We can do /r/CactusEngine

Everybody okay with /r/CactusEngine

Quill

Mmhm

Ethan Bierlein

02:56

Good, lets do dis

Can I view it w/out a reddit account?

That's okay. I'm the dev. I trust that you guys can manage it. :)

Wow, I feel like the past two hours were really productive.

Quill

@QPaysTaxes My one is very old, and kinda embarrassing, so, I might make a new one

@EthanBierlein Yeah

@QPaysTaxes /u/The-Quill

Ethan Bierlein

noice

Quill

Are you going to unprivate the subreddit once you're done setting up @QPaysTaxes?

Ethan Bierlein

room topic changed to Discussion about Cactus: General discussion about Cactus: (github.com/ShearOfDoom/TextEngine); Specs: (docs.google.com/document/d/…); Website: (shearofdoom.github.io/Cactus); Subreddit: (reddit.com/r/CactusEngine). [community-project] [fun] [fun] [game] [no-its-an-engine]

We have the worst looking room desc ever.

But I like it anyways.

Shhh... It's okay.... [Gently strokes hair]

Quill

03:12

Are room descriptions in Markdown

Ethan Bierlein

@Quill No

Quill

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/24299/discussion-about-cactus

Shoot

Ethan Bierlein

brb, gonna go get a drink

Quill

@QPaysTaxes Just a welcome message from Reddit

(It might take a few ~~seconds~~ minutes for Reddit to ~~get their shit together~~ send me the message)

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Alright well, my keyboard just died, so I'm going to go get some batteries while I wait

Ethan Bierlein

Wait, how did you type that?

Oh, and welcome back @AnnonomusPenguin

Quill

03:22

@EthanBierlein ~~I'm on a laptop, my wireless keyboard died~~ Magic, mainly

Ethan Bierlein

lol

Annonomus Penguin

Hellp

Ethan Bierlein

yes @AnnonomusPenguin

Annonomus Penguin

I typed "hello" lolololol

Ethan Bierlein

lel

Annonomus Penguin

03:29

Oh I have a lot to read, huh?

Why do we need a sub reddit?

Any quick debriefing?

Ethan Bierlein

Yes, I've released v0.1.x-alpha, I created a github website, and we now have a subreddit.

We also have @Duga configured to give us notifications about repo activity as well.

Annonomus Penguin

Why subreddit?

Ethan Bierlein

It's like a forum. If this thing becomes well known, people might want a forum or QA or something.

Annonomus Penguin

Well, do we have any downloads for it?

Ethan Bierlein

I have no idea. I don't know where to look for download count.

Would you happen to know?

Annonomus Penguin

03:34

GitHub has a stats page

Ethan Bierlein

Aaarg, I still can't find it...

Ethan Bierlein

03:55

Well, turns out I can't get the download count.

Anyone still awake or around?

Annonomus Penguin

Around but on mobile so meh

Ethan Bierlein

lol

Annonomus Penguin

I still think that reddit is a waste of time but whatever

Ethan Bierlein

Hey, @QPaysTaxes You done with the subreddit yet.

@AnnonomusPenguin It will help traffic to the project itself.

Okay.

Annonomus Penguin

So reading through transcript

Ethan Bierlein

04:01

Yes?

Annonomus Penguin

Why would we make our own language? Why not Lua or something?

Ethan Bierlein

Idk, it was just an odd idea at the time. Probably won't happen

Annonomus Penguin

Yes, odd for sure

Ethan Bierlein

Freaking reddit is taking forever to see if the username is taken.

Annonomus Penguin

BTW I think the "star as interesting" text is completely rubbish and misleading

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Ethan Bierlein

04:04

Ahm. Okay.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to point out.

Annonomus Penguin

In chat, click the drop down on the left

Ethan Bierlein

I don't see what's so bad about it.

Oh, and @QPaysTaxes reddit.com/user/ShearOfDoom

Annonomus Penguin

It was a joke saying that nothing starred in chat is ever interesting

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Ethan Bierlein

lol. I probably ruined the joke then.

Annonomus Penguin

yes.

Ironically that got started

So have we ever updated the spec?

Sure. Let me find my reddit password first :P

BTW this isn't a 1d game, like the readme says

Ethan Bierlein

04:11

Hey, can you add me as a mod on the subreddit?

Annonomus Penguin

That would be a game based on a line :D

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"What's your location?" "Dash dot twenty seven." "Ok I'm almost there"

Multiplayer ^^^

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] Annonomus-Penguin starred us

Annonomus Penguin

Yay!

Ethan Bierlein

Thx for the star!

Annonomus Penguin

Np

Ethan Bierlein

04:16

@QPaysTaxes I'd like to be a mod plz. Thx :)

Ah, didn't see the button

Annonomus Penguin

403 - Sorry, you don't have access to this.

^^^ @QPaysTaxes

My username is AnnonPenguin

Ahh

Didn't you offer me moderation? Or is that later?

Ethan Bierlein

body {
    background-color: black;
}

p {
    color: DarkGray;
}

That's all I have for a stylesheet idea. ^^

Annonomus Penguin

This is the time of year when confusion fills the air ><

Lol @EthanBierlein

Ethan Bierlein

It actually looks okay though. Better than reddit's default crap

Annonomus Penguin

We must get branding guidelines

So, besides advertising, what's the next step?

Ethan Bierlein

04:27

Well, I'm going to change the stylesheet to that, anybody care?

Annonomus Penguin

No.

Ethan Bierlein

@QPaysTaxes?

Annonomus Penguin

I meant in terms of Cactus itself

Ethan Bierlein

Oh, I was talking about the subreddit

cool

Annonomus Penguin

@QPaysTaxes so what's the thing about moderation? You offered me it, I sent my username..........

AnnonPenguin

Can we pin posts on reddit?

Might want to make a welcome with links to chat and GH

Again, next steps for the code?

Would hold off on docs until needed

@EthanBierlein we need a style guide. Also: why do you add so many comments?

Ethan Bierlein

04:43

I, don't think that I have that many comments. There are docstrings for each function and class. That's, not very many...

Annonomus Penguin

I just think we should either make the variable names more descriptive or move this to docs later with some script

I do rarely use comments myself, so I may be biased

Ethan Bierlein

I use comments because I think good documentation is important.

Although, that's my opinion.

importblogkit.com/2015/03/writing-readable-code

Annonomus Penguin

My point is your code shouldn't need many comments in the first place. It should be laid out so well that i don't need to read them

Ethan Bierlein

Well, I'm going to use comments.

Annonomus Penguin

Your link:

> Now the comment is unnecessary. We’ve made our source code more self-documenting.

Ethan Bierlein

04:47

Yes I know.

Ahhg, forget it. I probably meant to link something else. I'm tired.

Annonomus Penguin

back to next steps....

Ethan Bierlein

I'm going to post the welcome on the subreddit.

> Hello there, it seems that you've made your way to the CactusEngine subreddit! The Cactus Text Game Engine, or more commonly referred to as just Cactus, is a engine used to create text-based adventure games (think Zork). Here you can discuss the Cactus engine, e.g, use, source code, etc. Enjoy!

With a title of "Welcome to the CactusEngine subreddit!"

Annonomus Penguin

Links to places!

Ethan Bierlein

Ah, yes. I'll put those in after I post the welcome.

Annonomus Penguin

Don't forget

I think error_msg should be invalid_input_msg

Readability yay!

Ethan Bierlein

04:52

YIPPEE

Annonomus Penguin

Sorry. This is what lack of sleep and nothing to work on does to me

Would you mind if I made some readability tweaks tomorrow?

Ethan Bierlein

Sure, feel free to fork! :)

Quill

I can work on the CSS if you guys like

Ethan Bierlein

Yes please. I have no idea what to do with it.

Quill

Alright

Is (Mod) an acceptable Flair text for everyone?

Ethan Bierlein

04:56

How about [Supreme Leader]

Annonomus Penguin

Or "Pokey Stick Holder"

Ethan Bierlein

YES

How about [Mod/Pokey Stick Holder]

Hey, thanks for the [Supreme Leader] title :)

Quill

Which do you want ;-;

Ethan Bierlein

Let's do [Mod/Pokey Stick Holder]

Annonomus Penguin

No

Do [Sharp Stick Obtainee (Mod)]

More snazzy

Quill

05:02

What do you want @AnnonomusPenguin?

Annonomus Penguin

[Sharp Stick Obtainee (Mod)]

@EthanBierlein you should've added the links in the welcome because we can only sticky one post. Now those will get lost in a few weeks

Ethan Bierlein

Crap. Can I edit the welcome?

Annonomus Penguin

I'm not sure. You would have to do it yourself

Try ir

Ir

It

Ethan Bierlein

I'm going to delete it and repost it. Is that okay?

Annonomus Penguin

No edit button?

Quill

05:08

How does [Mod/Ruby Rambo] sound for @QPaysTaxes?

Ethan Bierlein

Sounds cool. You can always change it.

Annonomus Penguin

Cool

Ethan Bierlein

Alright, I re-added the welcome with links

Annonomus Penguin

Can you fix the typo there?

Ethan Bierlein

There, now it's not liinks

Annonomus Penguin

05:11

Just messing with you :P

What?

Ethan Bierlein

Hey, @AnnonomusPenguin Would you care if your mod title was slightly changed to [Mod/Sharp Stick Obtainee]? It just fits with the others better.

Annonomus Penguin

No.

Don't mind

Quill

Refresh reddit :-)

Ethan Bierlein

Holy shit wow amazing nom rom om delicious love cheese

Annonomus Penguin

@Ethan I was thinking about making every function more transparent so the user can override it

What about cheese?

Ethan Bierlein

05:15

That is just my reaction to the awesome design.

Annonomus Penguin

Oooooh. Hat tip to Mr. Quill

Is that a template?

Ok night everyone.

Ethan Bierlein

Night

@Quill AnnonomusPenguin is okay with it, can you change his mod title to [Mod/Sharp Stick Obtainee]?

Quill

Sure, Night

Ethan Bierlein

05:32

I think I have a severe anime addiction if I'm still up at 12:30AM in the morning.

Quill

What are you watching?

I did 2:30 last night watching anime

Ethan Bierlein

Inuyasha: The Final Act

Quill

Ah, haven't seen that one.

Ethan Bierlein

Neither have I. This is the first episode I've seen.

G'Night all

@Quill Wait, quick question, can we just make the header background a black image? The text in the image is interfering with the foreground text.

Quill

Sure, I'm working on another, but I can make it pure black

Ethan Bierlein

05:45

Pure black would be nice until you have a new design :)

@Quill Keep the little cactus picture though

Quill

I made it slightly better, but I need to fix it again soon

Ethan Bierlein

k

night

Quill

night

Annonomus Penguin

13:20

Morning!

@Ethan I'm going to start opening issues for everything, mkay?

Even suggestions so we formally have to go through them. I don't mind if a few get closed.

And then we can close them in our commit message :)

All alone in a room. Sad :'(

Duga

13:40

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] Annonomus-Penguin forked us into Annonomus-Penguin/Cactus

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Annonomus Penguin

@SimonAndréForsberg no daily stats? ^^^

@Quill when are we going to make Reddit public? It's still private. Also: there was a picture in the background last night but it disappeared.

Simon André Forsberg

14 hours ago, by Duga

RELOAD!

not sure what you're expecting really

Annonomus Penguin

@SimonAndréForsberg UTC time, right!

Simon André Forsberg

yes

Annonomus Penguin

Sorry, as evident, I didn't get enough sleep :)

Simon André Forsberg

13:46

apparently ^^

Annonomus Penguin

:0

Quill

14:10

@AnnonomusPenguin Sorry @AnnonomusPenguin, whenever we're all on and can decide

I'm still working on the stylesheet

I had it mostly working and then I tried to add flair and it went wonky

Annonomus Penguin

@Quill I see

Morning to you, btw

Quill

I just solved it, but the flair is still wonky, I need to fix that, and not really, it's midnight here

Annonomus Penguin

@Quill I see

Quill

Alright, the cactus logo is back

Annonomus Penguin

Cool!

Did you do all of this from scratch @Quill?

Quill

14:15

Nah, only minor changes: See here

Duga

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] Annonomus-Penguin forked us into Annonomus-Penguin/Cactus

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] Annonomus-Penguin opened issue #1: Remove Prototype

> Can we remove the prototype or is it still important?

[ShearOfDoom/Cactus] Annonomus-Penguin opened issue #2: Coding Convention

> Can we please establish a coding convention?

**[PEP 8](https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/)** seems to be the prevalent style in the Python ecosystem, but we don't seem to conform with class names.

All established open source projects have a coding convention, so we should also.

Ethan Bierlein

14:56

GOOD MORNING! :P

Annonomus Penguin

@EthanBierlein hello!

I'm working on the source right now

I'm trying to tighten up some things so we can add more parts that the user can customize

Ethan Bierlein

Cool. What needs to be tightened?

Annonomus Penguin

@EthanBierlein there are a lot of unneeded copies of data

I'm trying to make everything so the user can change it externally at any time without breakage

Ethan Bierlein

K. I'm assuming that's an issue opened, right? I'll look into it.

Annonomus Penguin

@EthanBierlein not yet :P

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