The Nineteenth Byte

noodle man

00:23

@Ginger probably because the message didn’t exist somehow

even though I could see it, reply to it, hit the edit button

OldSandboxPosts

01:00

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corvus_192

10:16

What's the correct close reason?

lyxal

Off topic

There's a close reason that says:

> This site is for programming contests and challenges. General programming questions are off-topic here. You may be able to get help on Stack Overflow.

That's what I used

corvus_192

Technically is not a "General programming question", no?

lyxal

The wording is a bit off, but it's the general off-topic reason

you can also use a custom close reason, but that will leave a comment

lyxal

11:06

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noodle man

16:38

would “compile JS to JSFuck” be a good golf challenge?

mousetail

I think it might be interesting, if it hasn't been done before

noodle man

i haven’t found any

i’m interested how short other languages could do it

is there any way to construct arbitrary strings in JS with a char set smaller than JSFuck?

mousetail

It would basically come down to building a string to be evaled. Probably the shortest to build every character as 1+1+1+1+1... which will be longer but shorter to generate since you don't need to special case characters

noodle man

53

Q: JSF**k with only 5 symbols?

This is not a challenge but a question, I figured it was on topic because of Non-challenge questions that are related to solving programming puzzles or a particular type of challenge are also on topic. Now on to the question: Is it possible to write any JavaScript code with only 5 letters?...

but for my challenge it doesn’t need arbitrary JS, just arbitrary strings, which seems like it might be possible without constructor

> Side note: You can almost do JSF*** without parentheses by replacing bounding parentheses (xyz) with [xyz][+[]], but that removes function calls, making many things impossible. – ETHproductions

maybe something with a back tick instead of parens to do function calls?

it only needs to support printable ASCII

noodle man

17:15

should polynomials be polynomial to match e.g. string

DLosc

17:26

Sounds good to me. There are some other plural tags, though; on the first page of tags, I note primes and permutations.

So if we're singularifying, maybe we should singularify all of them.

(Not including stuff like cops-and-robbers, which should be plural.)

noodle man

kings-of-the-hills

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Q: Should tags be plural or singular?

As part of The Great Tagging Survey, I've noticed that the pluralisation of our tags is a bit inconsistent. The following lists all tags that refer to some kind of object that is dealt with in the corresponding challenges. Singular numberstringgamesequenceregular-expressiondategridfractalfuncti...

discussion policy tags

Ginger

> numberstringgamesequenceregular-expressiondategridfractalfuncti...

DLosc

@noodleman Sounds like a title for a children's book about early Rome

Ginger

me omw to submit a question tagged with numberstringgamesequenceregular-expressiondategridfractalfunction

noodle man

@Ginger sorryforthelongtagmyspacebarwasbroken

math scat

18:34

@DLosc I smell a meta post here ...

The Empty String Photographer

19:09

CMC: Given 2 numbers a and b, output the log (base a) of b. Catch(?): Standard loopholes are allowed.

hyper-neutrino

metagolfscript 0 bytes I guess?

mousetail

Standard loopholes are loopholes for a reason: They are incredibly boring

noodle man

19:32

@mathscat i was gonna post it but found that

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer noodle_man_Log, 0 bytes

math scat

20:07

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer the_best_lang_ever, -1 bytes (custom charset)

Seggan

@mathscat how do you get negative bytes?

math scat

it's a secret

Ginger

20:27

it's very simple: you have 0 bytes, and then you golf off one more

3

noodle man

when you install the_best_language it caches your disk space and uses the difference between that and the current run

mousetail

To get negative bytes, first you get imaginary bytes, then you translate to a 2d lang

Seggan

@noodleman umm how do you cache disk space?

math scat

@mousetail hey you can't disclose my company's confidential information like that

Ginger

20:43

bytes are isomorphic to the complex plane

(whatever that means)

The Empty String Photographer

@mathscat Guys you’re overthinking it. The programme contains 8 characters, but the language just has a charset of half a character.

math scat

no no, we are working on a new methodology that bijectively maps bytes to the field of quaternions

The Empty String Photographer

By the log rule, 8 * log_256(1/2) = -1 bytes

Seggan

21:07

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer you cant have half a character

mousetail

@Ginger I'm convinced isomorphic and homomorphic are made up words mathematicians use to prank us

Ah yes the manifold is diamorphic to the quasicomplex ring

math scat

oh gosh

I met somebody who studies manifolds and stuff like that

I had to look up every second word he used

mousetail

I've read the wikipedia pages on manifolds and maps and such like 20 times but I still don't actually understand what even is a manifold

Some kind of generalization for a shape it seems? But I'm very confused

math scat

@mousetail exactly!

caird coinheringaahin g

21:49

Do... do we not have a challenge on a fractran interpreter? There's a self interpreter challenge, but no standard "write a fractran interpreter" challenge

Bbrk24

I still have no idea how Fractran works

caird coinheringaahin g

@mousetail All words are made up

noodle man

22:49

@Seggan i meant caches the amount of bytes your disk is using

DLosc

@cairdcoinheringaahing This is sort of like if you're a doctor and your patient asks "Am I gonna die?" and you say "Well, yes, at some point"

lyxal

Since when does MS Paint (not Paint 3d I mean the base one) have transparent backgrounds?

Last I checked it only ever gave you white as a background :p

DLosc

@lyxal Whoa, really?

lyxal

I was just as surprised as yo

*you

I opened up paint to make a joke in reply to the half characters image, and I tried extending the canvas and it had the transparent background pattern

so I made an image, saved it, and yep it's a transparent png'

DLosc

Must be a Windows 11 perk

lyxal

22:55

@DLosc I think so

there's also a "remove background from image" button now?!

DLosc

Very nice

lyxal

THERE'S LAYERING OPTIONS

Why do you need layers in paint of all things

paint 3d I could understand having layers, but base paint?!

DLosc

That will be super useful for some of the stuff I do in Paint

E.g. positioning text in a speech bubble--if I can move the text after I've created it, that'll make things a lot easier

lyxal

it's not that advanced sadly

it's just you can draw things on different layers like you can photoshop

you still have to select things in the same way

but I guess it doesn't matter if it's on its own layer

DLosc

?

Yeah, I meant put the text on its own layer

lyxal

22:59

ah

DLosc

Right now, it's not entirely clear when you're entering the text which exact pixels it's going to land in, and so it sometimes accidentally overlaps the edge of the speech bubble. In those cases, I have to hit Ctrl-Z and trial-and-error till I get it positioned right.

lyxal

so I guess this MS Paint buff is just what you needed :p

it's a pleasant surprise I wasn't expecting today

DLosc

Transparent backgrounds and layers are two of the top things I would've wished for, yes :P

lyxal

also I now realise it's probably been that way for like a few months now because I haven't used paint in ages, but I have done a few win11 updates

DLosc

But since my laptop still works fine despite being from 2015, I am probably not getting Windows 11 anytime soon.

OTOH my desktop is from 2012 and has a few problems, so that might be a stronger possibility.

lyxal

23:04

theverge.com/2023/9/18/23879221/…

I see it was a september thing

wait they're adding AI image gen to Ms Paint?!

blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2023/09/21/…

> Paint has been enhanced with AI for drawing and digital creation with the addition of background removal and layers as well as a preview of Cocreator that brings the power of generative AI to the Paint app.

DLosc

@lyxal I hear this headline in the voice of Baymax

lyxal

> Additionally, we introduced powerful new Surface devices that bring all these AI experiences to life for you, and they are available for pre-order beginning today.

ain't no way

mfers already making new models 8 months after I get their (now previously) newest model

ah, wait, no they only released a new laptop go, and new studio

my Surface Laptop 5 is still good to go in terms of relevancy :p

Ginger

23:37

Inkscape gang

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