The Nineteenth Byte

bigyihsuan

00:29

sometimes i wonder if people scroll through golf answers and think "hey it's that guy that does it in go" at all

lyxal

00:42

@bigyihsuan replace go with IPA and yes :p

bigyihsuan

00:56

lol, i don't use that esolang anymore

maybe i should revisit it and make it even more pronouncable

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caird coinheringaahing

01:45

@DLosc I am either the first dude, or you, as far as I reckon, but I won't know until my exams :P

emanresu A

Me who's still doing calc:

caird coinheringaahing

Technically, I'm still doing calc :P

Ginger

@bigyihsuan I do :b

caird coinheringaahing

02:02

@RadvylfPrograms Remind me what's in US Calc III?

Aiden Chow

02:34

@bigyihsuan id like to think that ppl think the same way about me when they see my answers, replacing "go" with "desmos"

@emanresuA yoo im still doing calc too

Ginger

language feature idea: a way to call a function multiple times and assign the result to multiple variables

like let a, b, c <some symbol> new Thing() would create 3 new Things and assign each one to a, b, and c

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ehhh

seems situational enough that it might just encourage over-use

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Q: Render numeric string/date/time using unicode block drawing characters

Am looking for a way to render numeric string/date/time using unicode block drawing characters like in example below. Ideally this could have been solved with a figlet font but couldn't find one. Height is 3 characters, width is as tight as in example below. $ echo "\n█▀▀▀█▀▀▀███▀█▀▀▀███▀▀▀█▀███\...

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but as part of a general pattern of being able to invoke something multiple times into a sequence, and destructure that? that's good

like let a, b, c, *_ = ($()) <$> cycle Thing::new

in the worst mix of python, haskell, and rust syntax i've ever seen

emanresu A

I thought that was valid haskell lol

Steffan

02:43

@bigyihsuan yeah i always think that

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@emanresuA it can't parse the *, needs brackets for the list destructure, and interprets ::new as a type annotation

not to mention it's kinda meaningless for something to take an argument of the unit type considering everything about how haskell works

like if you have some kind of state monad that you're initializing the objects in then the way you'd do that in actual haskell would be like uh

[a, b, c] <- sequence $ take 3 $ repeat newThing

in a do block

probably

Radvylf Programs

03:16

@cairdcoinheringaahing So far we've covered basic linear algebra and vector valued functions (a second time, we also did that in calc II, but minus cross products and some other things), no clue what's in the rest of the class, but it's also called "multivariable calculus" if that's of any use

@emanresuA Aren't you like 15? "Still doing calc" is hardly something to be ashamed of :p

emanresu A

14, and aiden's 13

So I guess yeah

Radvylf Programs

At least in the US, most people either never learn it, or don't until college. If you're a year ahead you might finish calc II in high school.

emanresu A

What's the content of calc II?

All I know is that I've done nz scholarship calculus

Idk what that translates to

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@emanresuA wait you're 14

i always thought you were at least like 17

Radvylf Programs

I'm taking what I suspect would be a below average list of classes anywhere else in the west, and my school counselor called it "the most rigorous course load [she's] ever seen"

Unrelated String

03:27

lmao

emanresu A

wow

Radvylf Programs

@emanresuA Integration by parts, taylor stuff, infinite sums/series and convergence and stuff

emanresu A

Ah okay, done that

Aiden Chow

wait then wats calc 3? multivariate?

Radvylf Programs

yeah

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03:29

^

Aiden Chow

ah ok, i might self study that, i already did calc 2 stuff

Radvylf Programs

@RadvylfPrograms And I'm in a fairly nice school, with the largest list of advanced classes, and some of the best teachers, within like an hour of here

Aiden Chow

@UnrelatedString lmfao i thought the same about emanresu

emanresu A

We young people these days

Radvylf Programs

Woah I feel old now

lyxal

03:33

@RadvylfPrograms how do you think I feel? :p

Radvylf Programs

I was y'all's age-ish when I joined and now I'm 17 and being used as the "I thought you were at least ____ old" age

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lol

Aiden Chow

lmfao

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and i think i was 17 when i first became an active part of the community

Radvylf Programs

I remember browsing CGCC meta in my school computer lab in 4th grade

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03:34

holy shit

Aiden Chow

@RadvylfPrograms bruh wow

emanresu A

That would've been... 2014???

Radvylf Programs

2015 or 2016

I was born in 2005, and 4th grade is around age 10

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incidentally i actually browsed esolangs wiki in like middle school but never heard of cgcc until i started having things to look up on so :P

Radvylf Programs

I remember CGCC's graduation (or something similar) was in the HMQs at the time

emanresu A

03:35

Ah okay (year 4 is around 9 here)

Radvylf Programs

It might actually be around 9 here too, I'm usually one of the older people in my class

Aiden Chow

@UnrelatedString opposite for me, i heard of cgcc first before i even knew about esolangs

got introduced to esolangs through cgcc actually

Radvylf Programs

I made my first esolang sitting on the floor in an airport. It was very bad.

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lol

Aiden Chow

lol what

Unrelated String

03:37

all i ever did was try to write a text adventure in a /// derivative
by hand

3

Radvylf Programs

It was called "pipe". The "pipe" was just an accumulator, but I didn't know that word yet, so the analogy I used was that all of the operators were like a "pipe" that the data travelled through, being transformed by each operator

emanresu A

How old were you?

Aiden Chow

@RadvylfPrograms interesting analogy!

Radvylf Programs

@emanresuA Esolangs says it was 2019, but that doesn't seem right at all

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i mean is that not roughly what shell pipelines are

Radvylf Programs

03:38

> Pipe is a language designed by Programming Puzzles and Code-Golf user RedwolfPrograms

The fact that I used "PPCG" indicates that it probably wasn't 2019 :p

emanresu A

github.com/radvylf/pipe is mid-august 2019

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wait have we been cg&cc for that long???

it can't have been more than like a year and a half

Radvylf Programs

A year and a half ago was 2021

aka yesterday

it had to have been like 2018

emanresu A

Nov 1, 2021 at 22:36, by user

@DLosc You're stuck in a time loop, DLosc, wake up!

Radvylf Programs

Oh god it's almost '23

emanresu A

03:41

When is it going to start being called the "twenties"?

Radvylf Programs

I still haven't recovered my sense of time. A dangerous mix of COVID lockdowns and getting older.

@emanresuA I already try to call it that. I'd guess probably as we approach the 30s we'll actually need a name for the decade

Right now we've gotten into the habit of using generations instead of decades, but since 2020 is kind of a defining year in our perception of time and culture, it's a great time to switch back to decades

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@RadvylfPrograms joke's on you, i never had one to begin with :P

@UnrelatedString come to think of it maybe this was the trauma that sealed off my creative writing abilities forevermore

Radvylf Programs

One of the first thoughts I can remember having was "I'm going to be three forever"

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lmao

Radvylf Programs

I swear, I felt like I was three years old for literally like a whole lifetime

lyxal

03:44

@UnrelatedString neither do I

hell, I wrote a whole challenge based on my lack of time concepts

Radvylf Programs

@UnrelatedString This reminds me of one of my first JS projects, a really simple text adventure game where every choice you made was an if-else block. The width of the jsfiddle text box was what limited the complexity lol

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lmaooooooooooooooooooo

nice

lyxal

that sounds basically like my first JS project as well

except it was with buttons and was a in-school guided code tutorial thing

Radvylf Programs

I think the topic of mine was an alien invasion. Your initial choices were "run", "hide", or "fight" and I think at one point you boarded their ship

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mine was just a straight ccc/zork ripoff
i don't even remember which i just know i'd tried one of them

*cca

Radvylf Programs

03:48

Prolly zork, every time I play it I feel an immense urge to write a text adventure game lol

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i don't know what i thought that third c stood for

lmao

Radvylf Programs

I wonder if Pipe is TC

lyxal

@AidenChow same here

I discovered esolangs.org from cgcc, and liked esolangs so much I got a phone case with limes on the back

Radvylf Programs

My intuition is that is is, via some really annoying BF reimplementation

Actually I think it's almost trivial. You could easily have three stacks within easy access using scopes. Use the first stack as the tape to the left, the second as the tape to the right, and the third as the current tape item and any intermediate state necessary for things like -

emanresu A

CMC: Work out why toString() in JS does what it does

Steffan

04:03

wdym does what it does?

like commaifying arrays and stuff?

emanresu A

As in just toString()

As a code snippet on its own

Steffan

It just stringifies

Oh

x=>x+'' as a code snippet

emanresu A

Try running console.log(toString())

Radvylf Programs

@emanresuA window.toString

emanresu A

Have you tried running it?

lyxal

04:05

@emanresuA just prints [object undefined]

emanresu A

That's part of the puzzle, yes, but window.toString() gives [object Window]

Radvylf Programs

Because it's no longer bound to window, just like how saving "abc".replace to a varaiable makes it not work

So without a constructor it defaults to some symbol whose name I forgot, which is undefined here

emanresu A

Correct

JS is weird

PyGamer0

what - lol

Steffan

Yeah, but toString.bind(window)() should work

Radvylf Programs

04:08

Steffan

Yeah

PyGamer0

what does this refer to?

Radvylf Programs

window.length

Steffan

developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Window/length

Radvylf Programs

Okay TIL

That's real weird

Steffan

04:10

It won't work in Node

Radvylf Programs

Node has no window

emanresu A

length has so many different purposes lo

Radvylf Programs

It does have a globalThis, but with significantly fewer things

emanresu A

I think there's either global or self as well

Radvylf Programs

Honestly window being imported by default is so dumb

Just make Math and document their own things instead of everything having to inherit from one global variable whose properties are always in scope

Ooh I just came up with the most cursed thing ever: a Proxyd window

So you could add barewords to JS, among other things

emanresu A

04:13

Oh no

Radvylf Programs

Fortunately I don't think JS allows you to override window or globalThis with a different object

emanresu A

Phew

Radvylf Programs

Okay so for backwards compat you can overwrite globalThis but it doesn't actually use what you write to it as the global scope, just shadows the identifier

Whoa, chrome bug

xyz is undefined but still shows up in autocomplete

It appears that the autocompletion is based on globalThis instead of window, overwriting globalThis removes all window autocompletions:

emanresu A

weird

Radvylf Programs

04:28

The dream is alive

8

There are so many insanely cool possible applications of this

I'm going to have to play around with it tomorrow

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wha

i assume proxies are some kind of namespace object?

Radvylf Programs

They're sorta like wildcard getters/setters

You can define a function that gets called any time a property of the object is used in any way

You can even make non-functions callable

or constructable

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oh so the proxy is what gives it the wildcard getter and with is what puts that all in scope

Radvylf Programs

yeah

Okay weird, you can't make something that was never callable in the first place callable with a proxy, but you can override what calling does if it was callable

And since you csn completely mimic a second object using any other object with a proxy, which is pretty much what they're for, you can just use () => {} as the proxied object and make calling do whatever you want

...which I realize is actually extremely useless since you can already make calling a function do whatever you want since that's the whole point of a function

Well, useless for making cursed objects with Proxy, but useful for its intended purpose of making certain modifications to existing objects

You could fairly completely change JS's syntax with the with (proxy) trick, since getters can be impure

E.g., do_x, do_y, do_z would be a series of function calls, despite having no ()s

And if you use stored state, you could even make a sort of assembly language syntax: add, x, y; jmp, x; mov, y, $20

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lmaooo

graffe

07:19

CMC compute the Buchstab function en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchstab_function for input x

emanresu A

07:34

@RadvylfPrograms MDN has this lol - developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/…

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holy shit

graffe

@UnrelatedString go on?

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regarding mdn having the proxy namespaces

looks like you can do it in python within an exec but probably not in any kind of "real" code

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ASCII Range code-challenge string Your task Given a string, output the range of ASCII values. Example Let's say we have the string Hello. We get the ASCII values: H = 72 e = 101 l = 108 l = 108 o = 111 Now, we get the range (max - min): 111 - 72 = 39 Our answer is 39. Test cases Input ...

Ginger

12:15

@RadvylfPrograms wtf

Ginger

13:20

presenting a Programmer Art™ Klein logo idea:

it's a Klein Stein

Ginger

13:44

should I use symbolic (black & white line-art) icons for Klein's toolbar or colored ones?

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Neil

17:27

@mousetail 4 actually; normal complex numbers already have 2 square roots of -1, i and -i

mousetail

@Neil You are very correct my bad

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