The Nineteenth Byte

lyxal

08:01

@SegFaultPlus4 my solution: here

Aiden Chow

@lyxal uh i dont think the link shows ur solution... it just links to the puzzle

dont see any hover text as well

lyxal

It links to text for me

And I didn't put hover text

Try it online!

That's the words

Bubbler

08:14

New 12-codel AAAAAAAA program

Mmm, Piet is actually fun

allxy

08:27

@lyxal spoiler

@lyxal Hm, I had caird too

@Bubbler Hm, capital letters signify newlines. I wonder if it's possible to come up with a golfier encoding...

Try my Crosswordle https://crosswordle.vercel.app/?puzzle=v1-12,109,109,242-stark
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Aiden Chow

@Bubbler ah man i was planning to do that, sniped :|

Bubbler

@allxy Much golfier encoding is certainly possible but it'll pretty much involve an external compressor

allxy

08:47

Try running python and pasting ꝏ into the repl

SegFaultPlus4

09:08

@lyxal this is just the OG puzzle

also V2
Try my Crosswordle https://crosswordle.vercel.app/?puzzle=v2-29,83,180,166,171,242-arose,roate,error,ender,event,eerie

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allxy

That ain't OO. Putting code in a class doesn't make it OO any more than putting a rock in the microwave makes it food. — imallett Oct 11, 2015 at 5:18

SegFaultPlus4

I guessed this math equation in 6/6 tries.

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Can you guess this equation?
https://numberle.org/?challenge=NzgtNTg9MjA

allxy

09:24

This is a nerdle ripoff

SegFaultPlus4

@allxy hold on let me go eat some microwaved rocks for dinner

allxy

Try my Crosswordle https://crosswordle.vercel.app/?puzzle=v1-9,30,82,164,224,242-scare
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SegFaultPlus4

nerdlegame 70 5/6

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https://nerdlegame.com #nerdle

allxy

nerdlegame 70 3/6

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https://nerdlegame.com #nerdle

SegFaultPlus4

damnit why r u so good

allxy

09:44

;)

lyxal

Hey so quick question is it just me or did SE push out a design change that makes the mobile site look a tiny bit different?

Because the top bar now has a scroll bar

And it no did have scroll bar a few hours ago

I also remember there being a lack of stack exchange logo on there too

allxy

@lyxal Yeah, people disapprove

lyxal

I do too

It's horrible

allxy

The blur effect especially

lyxal

It's screwing with the UI habits I've formed

allxy

09:49

I've lost count of the number of times they've changed stuff and not told/asked anyone

lyxal

I mean look at this

I now have to put extra effort into getting to chat from main

I have to think to scroll the bar across instead of just tapping the button I usually do

allxy

@lyxal wtf is that font

SegFaultPlus4

Finally did another answer

lyxal

@allxy Oh that? It's a font I installed on my phone lately

I like it so I use it

It's a little janky when displaying markdown or HTML sometimes, but it's mostly fine

And there's a few spacing issues with digits, and monospace text is a different font

But it's mostly fine

Unlike the UI change SE dropped

The change is cringe and I don't like it.

allxy

Mobile design isn't that hard - just frick around with media queries until you get something that works no matter how you resize the window

lyxal

09:54

I've been reading that some people don't like how the new colours look on desktop with dark headings etc

I really hope their changes don't muck up the dark mode extension I use

Gosh dang it SE at least announce changes are coming before making them

That, or make sure you don't accidentally dev on prod

allxy

@lyxal ask people about a feature before irreversibly implementing it? No way.

They could (should) just use something like github's feature previews

20

Q: Idea behind new top header icon color

Before After If this was intended, what's the idea behind this? More 'readable'? The change seems to be platform wide, but due to the white background color on SO it does not seem to have any useful addition. Edit After receiving an upvote, there seems to be more change to the styling: The ...

When/if that question gets answered by a staff member, it's gonna get a lot of downvotes

@lyxal SE, there's a thing called not having to have a single unilateral design, y'know

lyxal

@allxy they'll probably announce it in a separate post to try and avoid that

I think it's not that we're resistant to changes made by the SE staff, it's that there's bad communication

They need to sit down for a bit and have their own #191 lol

allxy

Yeah lol

lyxal

And follow that up with a #468

And also maybe add review requirements to change designs too :p

allxy

And maybe even a #160

And a sporeball :P

lyxal

10:10

Idea: SE should have a !!/hyperping command that pings everyone for feedback

@allxy I think they might have tried that once

Idk what they did with the feedback

PyGamer0

@lyxal nice i like it

SegFaultPlus4

@lyxal and @allxy and @ľýxäł are u three the same person (@lyxal)

lyxal

allxy isn't me

PyGamer0

@SegFaultPlus4 allxy is emanresu from school

allxy

o/

SegFaultPlus4

10:20

is @ľýxäł u

@PyGamer0 oh ok

allxy

@PyGamer0 Yeah, although I still have this tab open

ľýxäł

@SegFaultPlus4 sure is

lyxal

^ can confirm

SegFaultPlus4

ok

@lyxal and other @lyxal, do you want to play complex irrational o-fish

lyxal

I might wait until ginger arrives

SegFaultPlus4

10:23

@lyxal if you have a hyper-ping command, (so)me(one) will exploit it

lyxal

It'd only be for privileged users though

Just like it is with vyxal bot

SegFaultPlus4

how much rep do i need

lyxal

Not rep based

Trust based

SegFaultPlus4

am i trusted

lyxal

3 mins ago, by SegFaultPlus4

@lyxal if you have a hyper-ping command, (so)me(one) will exploit it

SegFaultPlus4

10:27

@lyxal yes, and

lyxal

By the looks of that, not so much

SegFaultPlus4

i said someone, i never said me

lyxal

And besides by trusted I mean someone in an admin or moderator position

SegFaultPlus4

10:41

so am i an admin

or not

lyxal

No

PyGamer0

11:03

in Vyxal, Apr 16, 2020 at 0:01, by Lyxal

Howdy everyone! This room will be a kind of dumping ground for my work in progress golfing language Vyxal

Ginger

hello chat

@lyxal here I am

SegFaultPlus4

11:19

@lyxal and @Ginger u up for complex irrational o fish#

Ginger

no

SegFaultPlus4

rip

well, here's a tag with a tag in it

[tag:tag:tag]

mathcat

I emerged from the great depths

Ginger

hi math

wb

SegFaultPlus4

hello mathcat

Ginger

11:27

how's that animation going

SegFaultPlus4

i am going to make a system to compress strings

mathcat

one sec

lemme go missing for a minute

Ginger

k

cursed google searches #291: tensorflow error ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'adafruit_bus_device'

SegFaultPlus4

(E

so 3(e)|k = ekeke

it means 3 e's, joined by k's

and it nests

so 4(ef3(gh)|i)|k = efghighighkefghighighkefghighighkefghigh

i made a prime function in 46 bytes in Python

mathcat

11:42

@Ginger currently I'm animating text

'cause it looks cool

Ginger

okie

etoc?

mathcat

?

Ginger

estimated time of completion?

mathcat

idk

I'll let you know when I'm halfway done

but I'm bad at estimating stuff

Ginger

12:12

nice

Is it just me, or are the top-bar icons... whiter?

I swear they weren't always solid white

Bgil Midol

^^

lyxal

2 hours ago, by allxy

20

Q: Idea behind new top header icon color

Before After If this was intended, what's the idea behind this? More 'readable'? The change seems to be platform wide, but due to the white background color on SO it does not seem to have any useful addition. Edit After receiving an upvote, there seems to be more change to the styling: The ...

bug status-review design header

Ginger

huh

lyxal

2 hours ago, by lyxal

The change is cringe and I don't like it.

2 hours ago, by lyxal

I mean look at this

Ginger

that... change actually seems to have some motivation

lyxal

12:18

2 hours ago, by lyxal

I now have to put extra effort into getting to chat from main

Ginger

it's like they're trying to make up for the horrendous failure that was the questions page layout change

lyxal

12:45

looks like they broke more than the UI

Ginger

what

the rgksp

lyxal

it's a result of every 12-year-old's favourite browser hacking tool

New Posts

0

Q: Find the J twin

For a 2 dimensional array we will define the elements in either the first row or the last column to be the largest "J-Bracket" of the array. For example in the following array elements in the J-bracket are highlighted: \$ \begin{bmatrix} \color{red}{\underline 1} & \color{red}{\underline 2} & \c...

code-golf array

Ginger

I can tell

lyxal

@NewPosts It's always about the letter J, never about the letter L

"oh we have a language named J, oh here's two challenges on the letter J in matrixes, oh only the most popular golfing language was based on J"

people like me be feeling extremely underrepresented

Ginger

12:52

seems like you gotta... TAKE THE L

lyxal

I already have.

Twice.

see?

Wheat Wizard

I do not like the new rep indicator. The old one was nice and clean.

lyxal

the notification indicator sucks just as much

Ginger

good thing I haven't seen either yet

Wheat Wizard

@Ginger Here. Have a ping.

Ginger

12:57

oops

try again

Wheat Wizard

@Ginger I think you would have to close chat.

lyxal

@Ginger and an upvote

Ginger

ok got it that time

lyxal

you shall suffer like the rest of us

Ginger

they look awful

also:

lyxal

12:58

your eyes shall not go unoffended by the new SE changes

Ginger

Csslesstackexchange

lyxal

18

Q: Please fix the chat top bar styling

The most recent rollout of the new top bar design broke the styling for the chat top bar - can this be fixed, please?

bug design chat top-bar

Ginger

Chat codebase is never being touched, so doubt they'll fix it. — Shadow Wizard Says No More War 2 hours ago

Jan 24 at 22:25, by Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing Chat'll only change because of knives at people's throats

that's what I said

PyGamer0

@lyxal true

it burns my eyes for some reason...

Ginger

notifications do not need Unreal Bloom

Wheat Wizard

13:02

It just looks blurry.

PyGamer0

also i cant see my rep :(

and why is there a horizontal scrollbar?

lyxal

Maybe just maybe this is their idea of an early April fools joke

After all, it is only 24 hours until funny prank day

Maybe they're just getting started early.

If only.

Ginger

aaaaaa shit april fools is tmrw and my prank is not ready

fOk

*presses PANIK button*

SegFaultPlus4

@Ginger the april fools' is it's in 2 days

PyGamer0

@lyxal i was about to say, but its 2 days away?, then i realized that you live in the future...

Ginger

13:13

ok 2 days

that is a bit better

*unpresses PANIK button*

lyxal

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Gotta love it when your opener is all no.

SegFaultPlus4

Wordle 284 5/6

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ez lol

lyxal

What's funny is that y'all can't compare your results with mine until later

SegFaultPlus4

also @lyxal you forgot to reply to my message in the Vyxal chat

lyxal

Did I really though?

Did I really forget to reply?

SegFaultPlus4

13:16

yes

lyxal

I don't think I done did

Ginger

CMQ: What should I call the boards that you stack on top of the Pyxel board? (aka HATs, shields, etc)

lyxal

Joe

Ginger

2 days ago, by Ginger

9 secs ago, by Ginger

55 mins ago, by Ginger

wot

lyxal

And that's plural

Ginger

13:17

24 secs ago, by Ginger

2 days ago, by Ginger

9 secs ago, by Ginger

55 mins ago, by Ginger

wot

lyxal

It's like how sheep and fish are weird when you have more than one

And I don't mean reproduction-wise either

SegFaultPlus4

@lyxal nope, you did done did

lyxal

@SegFaultPlus4 I replied

The message is there

SegFaultPlus4

nope, i see nothing

lyxal

It's there

Ginger

13:18

uh

try a different name

lyxal

Bob

Ginger

hmm

lyxal

(it's also plural)

Ginger

Boards On top of Boards

that works I guess

lyxal

I didn't say that.

I said Bob.

SegFaultPlus4

13:20

@Ginger Board(s)^2

lyxal

No acronym

No other meaning

Just Bob

Ginger

it's an acronym now

does anyone else have any ideas

lyxal

@Ginger look if you won't give them a standardised name, call them y̷̟̟͌̚o̶͜͝ṵ̸̇͑L̸͚͛o̶̟͓̽̔̈͜s̸͎̿̌t̴̹͕͉̎̑T̵̫̭̈́̊̈́͜h̴͍͇̉͗̿e̸̮̲̔̓̈G̶̹͌̎͑a̵̠̞̝̽m̴̫͋e̴̪̿͂̈́

PyGamer0

ok i need stats

lyxal

It's fun to pronounce and sure to make everyone hate you for more than one reason

Ginger

13:22

other ideas?????

please?

lyxal

Call them plats

No e

Ginger

uh

hmmm

lyxal

For the joke and for Radvylf's sake

Ginger

I will consider it

lyxal

Good

Now go along and lose the game.

PyGamer0

13:23

CMQ: How much builtins does your favorite golflang have?

SegFaultPlus4

If you vote Boards^2 then you don't lose the game anymore

lyxal

@PyGamer0 300ish not counting overloads

Ginger

PLAT: PyxeL Attached on Top

PyGamer0

@lyxal so 800 counting overloads?

how much does jelly have?..

lyxal

@PyGamer0 more like 541

Radvylf Programs

13:26

Woah light icons in nav bar

Therapist: Light inbox doesn't exist
Light inbox:

lyxal

1 hour ago, by lyxal

2 hours ago, by allxy

20

Q: Idea behind new top header icon color

Before After If this was intended, what's the idea behind this? More 'readable'? The change seems to be platform wide, but due to the white background color on SO it does not seem to have any useful addition. Edit After receiving an upvote, there seems to be more change to the styling: The ...

bug status-review design header

Ginger

1 hour ago, by Ginger

Is it just me, or are the top-bar icons... whiter?

lyxal

1 hour ago, by lyxal

2 hours ago, by lyxal

The change is cringe and I don't like it.

1 hour ago, by lyxal

2 hours ago, by lyxal

I mean look at this

graffe

CMQ I have a coding question....I have a list of triples (x, y, n) and I want to find if n is always larger when x and y are. In other words, do there exist two triples (x1, y1, n1) , (x2, y2, n2) such that n2< n1 but both x2>x1 and y2>y1. Can this be done faster than checking all pairs exhaustively?

lyxal

1 hour ago, by lyxal

2 hours ago, by lyxal

I now have to put extra effort into getting to chat from main

In summary @RadvylfPrograms we've already gone over the fact that we don't like the changes.

Radvylf Programs

13:28

I like them

Higher contrast is good for accessibility

PyGamer0

huuh

Radvylf Programs

And it's not inherently ugly, I'm just not used to it

PyGamer0

27 mins ago, by PyGamer0

it burns my eyes for some reason...

SegFaultPlus4

@PyGamer0 this number

@PyGamer0 my eyes are already dead, me and SE are good

PyGamer0

@SegFaultPlus4 oh dcQw4w?

lyxal

13:30

@RadvylfPrograms you say that but you're not a mobile user.

SegFaultPlus4

@PyGamer0 yes, that number

PyGamer0

@lyxal o

flax has 292

lyxal

sigh gosh dang it I planned to leave here at 12am and now it's 12:30am again.

SegFaultPlus4

lOl

lyxal

Why does this keep happening every night?

One second it's 12 the next it's too late.

I'm going now before it gets worse.

Later nerds.

Jo King

13:33

o/

Wheat Wizard

@graffe In terms of actual performance I think you can get pretty good, but I don't think you can beat it in terms of theoretic asymptotic performance. e.g. lets consider an example where all elements can be split in two groups. Group A such that every (x,y) of A is incomparable to every other (x,y) of A. And group B the same but every element in group B is also larger than every element of A. To verify you need to compare every pair of n in A and n in B. Which is n^2 time.

However in the best case the time is limited by the square of the bucket size so in most cases you will have much smaller buckets and you can effectively get O(n) time.

PyGamer0

@JoKing shouldnt it be 12:30 for you too?

Radvylf Programs

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Ginger

o/

SegFaultPlus4

\o/

Bgil Midol

13:48

\o

SegFaultPlus4

@WheatWizard how would every x and y in A be incomparable

Wheat Wizard

e.g. x1 > x2 and y1 < y2.

SegFaultPlus4

k

[(),(),(),(),([], [[]]])]

graffe

@WheatWizard this looks very good. How would you code it?

Wheat Wizard

I would do a bucket sort and then compare n values between consecutive buckets.

graffe

14:01

Is this a bucket sort of the triples?

Wheat Wizard

Bucket sort just the (x,y) under the partial ordering. But discard them and keep the n values.

Wait actually you can sort by the partial ordering on (x,y) using n as a tie breaker.

Then all you have to do is check that the ns are in order.

graffe

This is intriguing but I am not sure I fully get it yet

What is going in each bucket?

Wheat Wizard

Let me just write it in Haskell, it's actually a lot easier than I thought.

PyGamer0

i should learn haskell one day...

graffe

I once knew enough to do exercise sheets in college

Which wasn't much

Wheat Wizard

14:09

Try it online!

You create a custom comparison, sort by that comparison and then check that the n values as ascending.

Should be O(n log n)

SegFaultPlus4

why are you making a whole custom >

why not just sort by n values, and then check if it's sorted by (x, y) values

Wheat Wizard

It's the same.

That's just a more complicated way of doing it.

SegFaultPlus4

is my way more complicated or yours

Wheat Wizard

Your way is more complex.

SegFaultPlus4

ok fair enough

Jo King

14:16

@PyGamer0 that was kinda why i sent the message, for the irony

i think my sleeping schedule is probably at the point of insomnia these days

graffe

14:29

@WheatWizard could anyone make a python version? I can't really read Haskell

Wheat Wizard

The Haskell is basically pseudo-code.

graffe

Interesting that you say it can be done in O(n log n) time

PyGamer0

@graffe i think i can

graffe

@PyGamer0 cool!

Jo King

i don't think this works for e.g. [(1,2,3),(2,1,2)]

PyGamer0

14:40

@WheatWizard what is the ,

Wheat Wizard

I don't see any ,¿.

@JoKing Why not? It seems to get the right result.

@PyGamer0 and.

Jo King

oh sorry, i had the output mixed up

pxeger

ooh, the SE header has more contrast

Wheat Wizard

Just wait until you get reuputation. :)

PyGamer0

@WheatWizard i presume the ascending checks if the array is sorted or not

Wheat Wizard

14:45

Yeah, there's probably a built in for it but I didn't bother to check.

Bgil Midol

CMQ: How to golf stuff like for a in b: if x: v+=1 if y: v -= 1?

Radvylf Programs

v+=x-y, maybe?

You might need a cast of some sort

Bgil Midol

but theirs another if z: print(v)

Radvylf Programs

Is there a +:=

Bgil Midol

?

Radvylf Programs

14:50

+y walrus operator

Like +=

But an expression

Bgil Midol

v:=v+1?

Jo King

@WheatWizard what i was trying to say was that the ordering is not transitive, Try it online!

Wheat Wizard

Oh yeah I guess sort relies on transitivity to acheive it's time.

PyGamer0

@graffe i think i got it

ato.pxeger.com/…

Wheat Wizard

So yeah back up to the bucket sort method. It's O(nn).

PyGamer0

14:52

programming on a phone is hard

but possible

Wheat Wizard

That still has the same issue just btw.

PyGamer0

yeah obviously

@RadvylfPrograms no

@WheatWizard the big thing is that i understood haskell :p

Jo King

@WheatWizard no, i think python actually does the O(n²) sort

at least with the custom comparator

graffe

@PyGamer0 thanks. So much more complicated than I expected

Adám

15:13

Did something change in the SE top bar?

Radvylf Programs

Yeah, they made the icons lighter

Adám

@JoKing @WheatWizard @hyper-neutrino Can you give chat.stackexchange.com/users/544171/user4531224 explicit write access to chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/52405/the-apl-orchard?

hyper-neutrino

@Adám 👍

Adám

👌

hyper-neutrino

oh i do not like the top bar change

granted i'll probably get used to it but it looks different without making any improvements and since the icons are more white they look like they have unread stuff

Adám

15:32

I dismissed it too quickly, but it looks like the reputation change indicator was misaligned.

Jo King

there also seems to be a permanent scrollbar for the icons on mobile? maybe that's just my screensize

oh, it scrolls a micrometer to the right, awesome

Radvylf Programs

I'm not too annoyed with the change, more just that there's so much other actually productive stuff they could be doing

We've gotten confetti, new topbar icons, and a new homepage, instead of like...the stuff everyone's been asking for

Jo King

Accountability? Dark mode? Why they're saving analytics cookies without consent?

Radvylf Programs

Pfft, who needs that stuff? The inbox is a slightly unoptimal shade of gray!

mathcat

15:57

@lyxal eyyyyy I'm not twelve

Bgil Midol

16:10

any help on today's semantle?

999/1000

I FOUND IT IN 30 GUESSES!

Ginger

imagine doing useful changes

clearly we should petition SE

mathcat

^

I am not going to reload that tab until I die

PyGamer0

16:29

lol

Radvylf Programs

> ... a drill sergeant at the Dental Corps' depot

Haha funny

Dentists use drills

caird coinheringaahing

16:46

Shame to hear about Doorknob's inactivity :(

Radvylf Programs

@DLosc Well TIL that 15 = the 11th root of 16 :p

Ginger

TIL that SE doesn't give a rgksp about anything but minor UI changes

Wheat Wizard

Ok thanks for sharing.

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