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00:00
Montgomery Montgomery dying was so sad, not least because he had the coolest name in the book
And was the best guardian by far
I remember there also being a judge or something who was kind to them? idk if she was a guardian though
Justice Strauss, yeah. She wasn't a guardian tho
IIRC 12 and 13 were really good but I don't remember the details of the books super well anymore
Aight imma skip to the end and get all the juicy stuff about the fire department or whatever
00:02
12 and 13 basically revealed all of the history + backstory and solved all the mysteries all at once, so they were so much better than the previous 11 :P
Idk, I like a lot of the previous 11 too
The build-up to the reveal is usually a lot more fun than the reveal itself
There was also another series where Lemony Snicket was the main character, I think, and that revealed more about the VFD than all the unfortunate books I read
They were alright, but they did get formulaic too much
@taRadvylfsriksushilani Depends on the build-up
@cairdcoinheringaahing perhaps those last two were so good Because all of the mysteries from the previous 11 were so interesting and tantalizing...............
00:04
There's a series called Pendragon, and you spend 9 books hoping for some cool sci-fi explanation, and in the 10th book they reveal they're all angels or some crap like that
now thats a thinker
@thejonymyster I mean, yah, but you had to suffer through 11 books of "Olaf disguises himself, the orphans immediately realise, and have to convince all the idiot adults around them"
@cairdcoinheringaahing Ahem, "unauthorized" :P
Wow 2002.
@cairdcoinheringaahing for sure, i was playing lemon's advocate
@cairdcoinheringaahing tbf in the first book or two they don't immediately realize
@WheatWizard Huh, did not know the books were older than I am O.o
@cairdcoinheringaahing Don't remember that, I think I read All the Wrong Questions (or at least a part of it)
I've read the first two books of that
So no spoilers :p
00:08
You mean you don't want spoilers or you don't have spoilers for me? Because I only read the first one iirc
Both
I don't remember much about the second one
@taRadvylfsriksushilani It involves some wrong questions :P
I heard it was most or even all of them
All?? That seems far-fetched
That's not a spoiler! Here's a real spoiler (hover to see)
00:10
@user does that involve asking right questions?
Spoiler: No
@cairdcoinheringaahing IMO while you could describe it this way it really wasn't that formulaic.
@user So then would you say I asked a wrong question? :p
I really love the scene in the first book with the coffee shop and the A, B, C buttons
@WheatWizard I reread them last year and appreciated them a lot more, and saw more unique details in each, but as a kid, they seemed very same-y
00:12
Huh. I noticed a lot of similarities, like them all having a library, but they never really felt formulaic
They do still discover small bits of information in each one, and even if it was the same story told 11 times, Snicket's writing style is a lot of fun :p
It was pretty character driven, the writing was fun and there was an overarching mystery to follow along.
I learned more new words than details about the story through those books :P
Is the TV series worth watching?
If you only look at plot it can seem a little drawn out.
I thought the tv series was fine.
I remember as a kid thinking that they were all "New guardian. Olaf shows up in disguise. They fail to convince people its Olaf. They find a small bit of info about 'VFD'. Right before they're able to resolve things positively, something bad happens. Repeat". But, again, rereading them, I enjoyed them a lot more
Has anyone (in the US) ever wanted to poke a paper clip through those two holes in the prongs of a plug, and then plug it in?
00:14
@user Yep, I really liked it
The "fourth wall" style of narrative storytelling is really fun tho :P
Definitely, more books need to do it
Although perhaps it wouldn't feel as unique if everyone did it
I learnt so much vocabulary from Snicket :P
@cairdcoinheringaahing why you deleted your jelly answer?
@Fmbalbuena It didn't work
@taRadvylfsriksushilani Yeah. What are they actually for?
00:17
@cairdcoinheringaahing why not working?
i almost forgot that i think i read like one of the books from maybe a third of the way through the series, none of the others, and completely forgot everything about it
@Adám They're totally pointless, just for easier manufacturing
@Fmbalbuena It identified 11 as a Fmbalbuena number
@Adám For poking paper clips into, what else?
@cairdcoinheringaahing why Jelly program thinks 11 is a jelly program?
00:18
Whenever you see a plug that's missing the two holes (which do exist), it feels cheap
So that's probably one reason
People just keep adding them 'cause that's what everyone else does
11 is a jelly program
it prints 11
i saw a plug missing all three holes
@taRadvylfsriksushilani Monkeys in a cage
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A: The Memes of Information Security

TildalWaveMeme: Security Monkeys Synonyms: Chimpanzees, Chimps Originator: @ThomasPornin, @TomLeek (for Security Monkeys), @TomWijsman, @CharlesDarwin (for Monkeys) Date of conception: March-April 2013 Cultural height: TBD Purpose: TBD (see below) Background: Thomas' answer to a question What techni...

ah those
00:20
Redwolf gave you the short of it.
2
the /short/ of it (thers a pun in there probaboly)
@thejonymyster I wouldn't joke about electrocution, it's a deadly serious matter.
The truth is shocking
The D shape of our grounding holes (?) was something that I wondered about for much longer and only recently found an answer to
"just cause"
00:22
It's because there are some plugs with D-shaped grounding pins, made by taking a flat piece of metal and bending it 180°
You mostly see it with the bigger outlets for dryers/ovens/ranges
well why are those d shaped
You can see it here with this NEMA 14p:
(It has 4 pins, but ignore that, it needs an extra hot because it's 240v)
@taRadvylfsriksushilani do you mean "You can see it here with this NEMA 14 :p"
p: is the "I wonder what my eyes taste like" emoticon :p
will he ever find out? join us next week
@taRadvylfsriksushilani i have never seen this before
00:29
Yeah, it's almost impossible to find ordinary NEMA 5 (the kind you use day-to-day) plugs with a d-shaped pin
They might've been more popular a century ago
@taRadvylfsriksushilani Please remove katlani because This will make everything hard
But even finding pictures of a non-round pin on anything other than a dryer plug is basically impossible
@Fmbalbuena From my name? Or remove the language like...from existence?
@taRadvylfsriksushilani no, Full katlani
(Don't worry, TNB will keep its english-only rule, katlani will only be used in the katlani room)
@taRadvylfsriksushilani then why you need katlani?
00:32
And if you just want it gone either way, sorry, but not happening :p
@Fmbalbuena It's fun to make and use
@taRadvylfsriksushilani this is useless
But if you don't enjoy making it or using it, nobody's going to force you to do so
If you find it pointless, just pretend it doesn't exist, but we can't just get rid of it because you don't see the point in it :p
I wonder...how many english letters can you clearly and unambiguously represent with a 4x4 grid of on-off cells?
@taRadvylfsriksushilani When katlani ends?
When we all die
Or get bored idk
@taRadvylfsriksushilani somewhere between 0 and 2^16
jokes aside though, case sensitive or insensitive?
if case sensitive: you lose at B, having three prongs
well wait
00:41
@taRadvylfsriksushilani No, better if the katlani translator machine wants to do everything (and wants to remove katlani) then you must remove katlani.
xxx
x x
xxxx
xx x
xxxx
wait htats 5 lol
xxx
x xx
xx x
xxx
does this look like a B
Sort of, I guess it's close enough
E's going to be hard though
I could actually see M being doable
XXXX
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X  X
X  X
mmm ehhh
00:43
Sort of an M?
im on the fence
Yeah. If you know it's a letter it's an M, but otherwise I guess you'd probably think it's an elephant
elephant made me think fairy chess for some reason
and now i wanna see like really minimal chess pieces lol
@taRadvylfsriksushilani I think this is 100% a translator problem :/
I don't think so, but a language barrier could be partially at fault
@taRadvylfsriksushilani we seem to be garbled from their POV
*Omicron variant appears*
My school: Cancels after-school activities
*Cases get really bad after winter break*
My school district: Puts 11 schools that have more cases than 5% of the population into virtual learning
My school: Resumes after school activities
*Even more schools go over the 5% threshold*
My school district: Removes the 5% threshold, puts those 11 schools back in person
*Cases get worse*
My school district: Doesn't publish results for Tuesday and Wednesday
tbf after school activities have been cancelled again, but the people making decisions seem to pretend that everything's just fine
More people get sick every day (there were 60 new cases at my school on Monday) and all they tell us is to sit tight, wear masks, and wash our hands. According to them, virtual learning is a "last resort" >:(
01:17
@user that's why schools are bad.
I'm not trying to encourage truancy, but why are you still going to school?
@Fmbalbuena One of the reasons.
@wizzwizz4 i'm correct?
Technically.
Which is the best kind, I suppose.
but /fire/coronavirus/s
@wizzwizz4 Hello
Hello.
01:24
@wizzwizz4 Yup
Can't you just not?
@user ... is that a secret?
I stayed home for a couple days till I was fully vaccinated but I don't think you can stay home for more than 3 days
@user I stay home for more than 300 days. (jk)
@wizzwizz4 I honestly feel like lying and saying I got COVID just so I can stay home, honestly. It's the end of the semester and I've done all the work I need to do anyway
01:26
@user What's the penalty for doing so anyway?
You get an unexcused absence, and 3 unexcused absences lead to you failing the class
I could maybe stay home and only come in for the math final exam (final exams are banned, so the match teachers got inventive and started calling them BFTs instead ಠ_ಠ)
That doesn't sound legal.
If you know the material, you could spend the time you'd be learning it researching your legal options instead.
Well, instead of being >=50% of the final semester grade, they're 45% of the quarter grade
@wizzwizz4 I can't tell if you're joking, but since they're technically not final exams, I'm not sure I'd be successful, and I don't know enough of the material as a backup anyway
01:31
I mean the whole situation.
There's a petition going to start virtual learning again that's supposedly going to be brought up at the next board meeting, hopefully something changes then
@user on what technicality are they not final exams
If it doesn't work, there's always another option. Those options won't be presented to you, but you can find them. Since this is a safety thing, you can just keep escalating.
I'm not sure honestly, but I think they have to be 50% or higher of your semester grade, and these BFTs are 45% of the quarter grade
that's
an incredibly silly technicality
01:33
I doubt my parents would want to get involved in any legal battles
By legal, I mean official / bureaucratic.
I know more about GDPR stuff than about this, but I made quite a fuss about some illegal practices at my school.
i don't think any of my classes have the final at anything higher than 40% and finals here have their own week of the term
Hmm, I should research that then
antifreeze
01:35
I'm one of those people who assume someone else has already done it, and if they've failed, there's no point trying :P
antifreeze TNB
i think the problem with that mentality is that that's pretty much how everyone's going to think about it
Looks like some schools have been sued by people who's children got COVID
The bystander effect, or bystander apathy, is a social psychological theory that states that individuals are less likely to offer help to a victim when there are other people present. First proposed in 1964, much research, mostly in the lab, has focused on increasingly varied factors, such as the number of bystanders, ambiguity, group cohesiveness, and diffusion of responsibility that reinforces mutual denial. The theory was prompted by the murder of Kitty Genovese about which it was wrongly reported that 38 bystanders watched passively. Recent research has focused on "real world" events captured...
@UnrelatedString True
01:36
Antifreeze
@Fmbalbuena That's not necessary here
please stop
@user Antifreeze?
ok
@Fmbalbuena Yeah. Takes a month iirc for that to happen.
i think it's 2 weeks?
01:38
@UnrelatedString Yeah, antifreeze
conventional to antifreeze at 11~12 days but i'm fairly sure freezing happens after 14 days
So, I was happy to see that a lawsuit's been filed against my school district involving COVID, but...it was because an employee thought the vaccine mandate violated religious freedoms ಠ_ಠ (dw, they didn't win)

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Topic and draft discussion
^ wrong
@UnrelatedString @user @wizzwizz4 ^
Antifreeze never happens, so don't post messages and this room will not freeze.
It's not associated with a site.
@taRadvylfsriksushilani Can you timeout this room for 2 weeks and the room will not freeze.
01:42
TNB or the swift room?
I'm oretty sure a room can be auto-frozen if it's timed out, but I don't know for certain
(The Nineteenth Byte, not The Nineteenth Bakery)
You can make a room to test it yourself if you want
@Fmbalbuena Don't worry, we all know what you mean by TNB :-]
In my experience, every room apart from certain special rooms freezes.
I've noticed that every such special room has no site associated with it.
Normally, a chat room is associated with a site, or with “Stack Exchange Network”.
01:46
@wizzwizz4 how many special rooms there are?
I thought about five, but apparently, one more than I thought.
@taRadvylfsriksushilani

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@taRadvylfsriksushilani Can you teach me regex jelly?
You can't test that. When you add the timeout, that will post a message automatically.
@Fmbalbuena I don't know much jelly, sorry
@taRadvylfsriksushilani then regex
01:51
JHT has lots of very helpful people if you want to learn it
@taRadvylfsriksushilani Which golflang is your main?
@Fmbalbuena You know pretty much everything I do about regex
@Fmbalbuena Should I try to set a 15 day timeout with mod abuse perfectly acceptable behaviour?
Every edit pings them, y'know
@Fmbalbuena I don't use any golflangs, mostly just JS
01:53
@taRadvylfsriksushilani Ash?
Ash is unfinished, and likely will remain that way forever
But I'll be making a second golflang later this year
For the free rep ;p
@taRadvylfsriksushilani I will make a golflang tomorrow with you if I Can
Sorry, I'm a bit too busy with RTO to be able to start on another big project right now
Let's just make a language quickly now?
@taRadvylfsriksushilani RTO?
@wizzwizz4 yeah
01:55
What's the gimmick?
@Fmbalbuena Run This Online, a TIO-like site
print(end="#"*int(input()))
if input()=="h":print("Hello, World!")
and a hello, world can be
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@taRadvylfsriksushilani link to RTO
Ash took me months, and it wasn't even that good. A golfing language is a lot more work than you think :p
@Fmbalbuena rto.run (where it will be when it's done), redwolfprograms.com/rto (beta)
/start/main.js:1
print("Hello, World!")
^

ReferenceError: print is not defined
    at Object.<anonymous> (/start/main.js:1:1)
    at Module._compile (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1097:14)
    at Object.Module._extensions..js (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1149:10)
    at Module.load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:975:32)
    at Function.Module._load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:822:12)
    at Function.executeUserEntryPoint [as runMain] (node:internal/modules/run_main:81:12)
    at node:internal/main/run_main_module:17:47
@Fmbalbuena This actually has promise.
01:58
print doesn't exist in Node.js, which is what it runs
@taRadvylfsriksushilani then two creators is better
Not as a golfing language, but an esolang.
If every successive line is the parameter to a different function…
console["log"]
Forgot the .
console.log("Hello, World!")
Get rid of the string after the console.log(...)
02:02
This is somewhat amusing, but it is clogging up the transcript.
@wizzwizz4 works!
is it amusing
@UnrelatedString this don't work jk
@taRadvylfsriksushilani this is useless, move messages.
@taRadvylfsriksushilani Everything
02:07
@Fmbalbuena Moving all of the messages to the bakery somewhat defeats the purpose of both rooms.
ok
@wizzwizz4 Why you have default avatar?
some people like their identicons
they have a nice aesthetic
@Fmbalbuena I'm cool enough for it.
Wish I'd kept my first (yellow) one, though.
I had to rescue this one from the cache.
^ Here is the yellow
I don't think that's what they mean :p
Identicons are always a single color on a white background
02:13
ok, bye
02:38
@taRadvylfsriksushilani redwolf making an actual SBCS golflang and actually finishing it? Now that'd be fun to see :p
@taRadvylfsriksushilani Identicons are always a white on a single color background
03:01
@lyxal I'm hoping to start it around July, plus or minus six months. But I'll definitely finish this one, I promise!
I'll put a little more time into planning this time around, so I don't make a stupid decision near the beginning that ruins it all
What paradigm?
Still not entirely sure. It could very well end up being something kind of new, but I don't want to make any promises.
But likely not stack based, and likely not tacit.
@taRadvylfsriksushilani Dumbass you just did make a promise :p
lol
03:04
I guess I'm not going to finish this one, since I'm not allowed to promise things
lmao
Serious question: what was the "stupid decision near the beginning" of Ash that "ruined" it?
None in particular, I just made a lot of choices that would be a huge pain to change, and so I had to stick with. That includes the way dynamics and those other weird things (alpha, tau, and stuff) worked, some details of the code page, some of the built-in and overloading choices, and likely a few other things I'm forgetting
Having to deal with the parsing and especially those weird greek letter things, which were like...meta-dynamics? was really difficult, not much fun, and I knew they'd hardly ever be used. Ash's control flow/dynamic-like operators were just in general really poorly planned, which made it a pain to use and to interpret.
Since then, have you learned/gotten familiar with 2 or more other golfing languages?
Someone on esolangs.org once said that it's a good idea to do so before language creation
I've looked at Jelly a lot, and I'm planning on doing the same with Husk
I might also look at Vyxal, while I'm at it
03:24
look at brachylog :)
Oh yeah, I always forget about that one
hopefully you only looked at jelly for language design inspiration and not how to implement a language?
I guess I'll have some stuff to do once I finish RTO lol
@hyper-neutrino Yeah, I've heard enough stories from y'all to know never to look at Jelly's code
looking is fine so long as you never try to understand it
03:29
jelly regexes are beautiful
I think my synesthesia has a very real effect on how I write code
Like...I go to very great lengths to avoid using e
is there anything unpleasant in particular you associate with e or does it just generate raw disgust directly
Honestly I think it's the second
Like...when I was a kid did e murder my parents and run over my cat?
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With english I still avoid e to some degree, but I've gotten better at ignoring that, but I've gotten progressively more anti-e in my code to the point where I'll spend 10 minutes refactoring things to get rid of an else or a variable name like response
I wonder if I could train myself to see e as green instead
if you look at a letter that's very strongly colored as something else does it affect your synesthesia in any way?
I don't think it does now, but I wouldn't be surprised if something like the colors of a poster with the alphabet on it had some impact on it while I was a kid
03:37
@UnrelatedString and if you do try to understand it, make sure you have some aspirin/pain relief on hand for the headache you inevitably get from looking at it
And I think over time, letters like v and f have become purple due to my text editor's color scheme
preferably enough alcohol to forget afterwards
@UnrelatedString I don't drink lol
I use memes to drown out bad memories
So I guess yeah, with enough exposure I can change the associations, but I don't think just looking at a really big, bright green e would help unless it was like, framed on my wall and I stared at it every night for hours before falling asleep
What's interesting is that u is also a yellow-ish color, but I am incapable of describing it as a real color
And I don't know if that's because it changes a little depending on the context it's in, keeping me from getting a consistent idea of what it looks like, or because it's at some sort of more abstract color-processing stage than real images
I think writing code just gives the es a different context, if that makes sense
Which it really doesn't
I forget which colour you see e as, but what do you experience if an e is coloured differently? Do you see both colours simultaneously?
And what happens if an e is written on a background that matches the colour you feel from e? Does it become invisible to you?
03:56
@taRadvylfsriksushilani shit i'll have to rethink my strategy
04:18
@Adám I don't actually see the letter itself as having a color. It's more like an association. The word "let" doesn't appear yellow, but it just "is" yellow. Just like how you'd read a really long word and think "this word is long", I read words with "e" and think "this word is yellow".
 
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@taRadvylfsriksushilani try usin hexcode to describe it?
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

alephalphaArray depth of a ragged list code-golf array ragged-list counting TLDR: Implement Mathematica's ArrayDepth built-in. This is not a duplicate of this challenge. Here by an array, I mean a nested list that is "not ragged", i.e., it is either a list of elements, or a list of arrays of the same shap...

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Q: Universal Command Sequence

SketchySketchUniversal Command Sequence Definition An \$n\$-maze is a \$n\times n\$ chessboard which has "walls" on some edges, and a "king" on the board that can move to the 4 adjacent cells, which cannot pass through any walls. Starting from any cell the king should be able to reach every cell on the board....

 
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@NewPosts this will be extreme hard to even answer it ungolfed
there should be a way to give a brute-forcey sequence with loop I think
 
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@Niko enumerate all mazes and starting positions. for each maze and starting position, play out the moves you have so far to see where you end up. then add more moves to complete that maze. rinse and repeat.
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Q: Is this a word?

Wheat WizardToki pona is a minimalist constructed language, and thus it has minimalist phonotactics (rules describing what sounds make valid words). Toki Pona has 8 consonant sounds m, n, p, t, k, s, w, l and j and 5 vowel sounds a, e, i, o, u. A single basic syllable in toki pona consists of any 1 consonan...

 
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12:15
@Niko well that turned out to be easier than expected
12:28
@taRadvylfsriksushilani Do the associations feel less strong to you now?
CMP: Can you reach porkbun.com?
yes
@Adám CMP: Give me your IP addresses.
@wizzwizz4 172.27.238.83 and 192.168.0.28 but why?
@Adám I was attempting to make a joke; if porkbun.com were your website, the CMPs would be equivalent.
Didn't actually want your IP addresses. :-p
12:41
porkbun.com is a domain registrar, not my website, but I use them, and now I can't reach neither them, nor 2 of the 3 domains I have registered with them.
@Adám Works for me
First I thought it was just my home having issues, but now I got an email from someone I'd sent a link (to one of those 2) and they can't seem to reach it either.
isup.me can't reach it either.
I think one or more of their regional datacentres is down.
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Q: Is there a way to replace multiple "replace" functions?

DialFrostFor a code-golf challenge, i had to use multiple "text.replace(" ","")" inside my code. Such as something like: r=replace;text.r(" ","") Although that doesnt work, unlike i=input;o=i() Any ideas?

@NewPosts 1 minute, 25 seconds might be my fastest hammer yet
12:51
from the past 3 days, their questions are getting closed.....
@PyGamer0 6/12 of theirs are closed as dupes, 3/12 are closed as unclear. They've been repeatedly told about the Sandbox, which is literally designed to prevent duplicate or unclear questions being posted, and still post straight to main
Plus, the 3 that are closed as unclear have potential to be clarified, but OP keeps posting new challenges instead of fixing their older ones

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