The Nineteenth Byte

Lyxal

02:35

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Keg, 165 bytes (SBCS) ¿®w?(: =[_]")0®u(!4/|\0-&:B=[&3*&|:C=[&55**&|:G=[&2*&|:K=[&\2*&|&15/*&]]]]__:b=[&1*&|:e=[&0&|:h=[&2*&|:j=[&0&|:r=[&6*&|:t=[&7*&|:v=[&6*&|&3*&]]]]]]]_©u&+®u)©w2/:©u<. Try it online! I feel as if though a Keg answer has never been more appropriate! This could probably be g...

It's funny because the language is relevant to the challenge lol

Even if it is accidentally related

2x-1

04:09

In Instruction Sets Should Be Free: The Case For RISC-V, the authors claim that the shift options of ARM™ are "Including too much".

CMQ: Have you ever used ARM's shift options in any occasion while programming?

(Personally, I think it's a very clever aspect of this ISA design. You could shift both registers and constants. Really useful for constructing constants. However, I never used it.)

Lyxal

04:34

> The winner is a retired woman. He could take home $ 175,812 in online slot bonuses.

Hmmm

Redwolf Programs

...as well as a serious misunderstanding (or lack of care) about the purpose of this site

Lyxal

Okay good it's gone

HyperNeutrino

wait what's going on, is something happening / someone causing trouble

Lyxal

Nothing we can't handle

Just a simple spam post obviously autodeleted due to flags

Heh, reminds me of bobby woodtooth

HyperNeutrino

Ah. sounds good :+1:

Redwolf Programs

04:37

Just a ridiculously off topic post, it had 7 downvotes before making it into the review queue for me

HyperNeutrino

oh when I was reading through it at first I thought it was just someone who had no idea how to write CGCC challenges and then it seems suspiciously not leaning towards any challenge and then it was just obvious spam post lol

feels bad. actually been a while since I've seen a blatant spam post like this (hope it's just a one-off)

Lyxal

@HyperNeutrino the last time seems to be the 6th of June this year

That's if I haven't missed any since then

@RedwolfPrograms one of those were mine :D

HyperNeutrino

04:53

Ooh, good to see that there haven't been many incidents and I'm happy it was handled pretty fast.

Lyxal

How else do you think we managed for almost a year with practically no mods? d:

Bubbler

05:09

We're really good at removing spam 24/7.

HyperNeutrino

that's true :c must not have been any fun for doorknob alone, but i'm glad we had a pretty good spot to pick up from

Anush

08:43

@dzaima :)

Bubbler

09:12

Hmm, replying twice to the same message with the same message...

Neil

09:31

@2x-1 I wish I could remember, but the last time I did any ARM programming was 30 years ago (I wrote a Mandelbrot generator and a VT102 terminal emulator)

Anush

me too!

:)

Redwolf Programs

12:20

Are there any challenges for the shortest pristine programs?

Ah, there are 4. I'm considering a Shortest pristine "Hello, World!" challenge, does that seem fun?

And there are only three pristine-programming tagged challenges that are code bowling, and one of them is mine and also terrible :p

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Pristine programming tends to lend itself well to code bowling rather than code golf, so I doubt it

Redwolf Programs

Yeah, that's why I was surprised to find so many. There's actually more code golf than code bowling with the pristine-programming tag

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms print("Hello, World!") in a lot of languages, "Hello, World!" in even more

Redwolf Programs

12:35

But print("Hello") doesn't error, and neither does Hello, Wrld! in languages like Text

caird coinheringaahing

oh right, pristine

I personally don't think pristine-programming (or, more generally, irreducible programming) goes well with "output this string", because the methods there are pretty much always the same

Redwolf Programs

Hmm, yeah. Maybe something like fizzbuzz or a truth machine would be interesting.

Pristine truth machine. That seems like a good idea, what do y'all think?

Redwolf Programs

13:24

Hooray! Using cryptographic functions in a cops and robbers challenge is now a standard loophole!

(Score of +5 and many more upvotes than downvotes)

caird coinheringaahing

Was that not already a standard loophole? TIL

Redwolf Programs

(Also my badge counts are perfect cubes right now)

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Not checking, just want to guess: 1, 27, 64?

Redwolf Programs

Almost, except I don't have any gold badges yet so 27, 64 :p

caird coinheringaahing

Ah, I was close :P

Redwolf Programs

13:28

I was something like 10 days from Fanatic when I stopped using SE for a few months because of The Incident

Neil

14:19

0 is still a perfect cube

12 silver badges and 6 bronze badges would get me perfect squares

HyperNeutrino

2 silvers and 4 bronzes would get me perfect squares

Redwolf Programs

I'd need 9 more silver badges for a perfect square

New Sandboxed Posts

14:35

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Shortest pristine truth machine code-golfpristine-programming In this challenge, the goal is to create a pristine truth machine in as few bytes as possible. For reference, a truth machine does the following: Takes input, which is either 0 or 1 If the number is 0, it is printed and the program te...

Redwolf Programs

^ any feedback?

caird coinheringaahing

I need 1 silver and 4 bronze to get all primes

I'm a ways away from any powers :P

HyperNeutrino

omg guys my badges are all perfect numbers-to-the-power-of-1

caird coinheringaahing

Woah, that's super impressive :P

@HyperNeutrino Wait, perfect numbers are a thing tho

Redwolf Programs

oeis.org/A000396

Perfect numbers n: n is equal to the sum of the proper divisors of n

John Dvorak

14:50

Like, say, 0/0/0

HyperNeutrino

Oh, yeah. I should've phrased it as like "perfect numbers-to-the-power-of-1" or something :P

my badge counts are all x^1 for some x in Z

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino If only you could edit chat messages after the edit window's passed...

:P

HyperNeutrino

shh. forgot about that lol :P

caird coinheringaahing

@JohnDvorak Is it possible to have 0 badges? Reading through the badges page I think so, but I've never seen anyone across all of SE not have a badge

Redwolf Programs

I have 0 badges on some sites I think

caird coinheringaahing

14:54

Informed seems to be the most common badge for 1 badge users

Redwolf Programs

No, never mind. I have autobiographer on every site. If I had never edited that, then I'd have no badges on sites like Astronomy that I only joined to comment on.

Wait, no, commenting gives you a badge. If I never edited my profile, and I joined a site and did nothing, I think I could have no badges.

John Dvorak

It is possible. Technically. But You would have to abstain from commenting, up/down-voting and answering any questions which would ever have a positive score

HyperNeutrino

All of my accounts seem to have Autobiographer because the last time I created an account was before the last time I edited my profile and I did that network-wide

Are there any site-specific badges (besides tag badges, I mean)?

John Dvorak

You'd have to avoid that, too...

caird coinheringaahing

Autobiographer is the most earned badge, followed by Supporter

Redwolf Programs

14:57

Just did it. Account with no badges on cross validated:

John Dvorak

There are badges for participating in elections, participating in the private beta stage, and maybe some other

Redwolf Programs

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, if you even visit a site during an election with 101 rep (I believe), you get the Caucus badge

John Dvorak

Also, ever gathering 10 score on one points or answering too much in one tag also breaks the badgeless conduct.

I think you actually have to visit the election page - though just looking at the candidates does suffice.

caird coinheringaahing

Interestingly, Synonymizer seems to be the least-awarded bronze badge on PPCG with only 12 users (only 4 of whom were never moderators)

HyperNeutrino

14:59

yeah you need to go to the election page itself though that's sufficient to get Caucus, you can literally just open the page and then leave and you'll get it

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing flexes in being one of those 4 :P

HyperNeutrino

oh, interesting. I guess it's not too common to see tags being created that should be covered by another tag? I wonder if Synonymizer is rare on every site or if CGCC is weird in that respect

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing (not counting the retired Tumbleweed badge)

Redwolf Programs

I think we just get rid of unnecessary tags, like the recent sizecoding. I think a lot of sites use synonyms for versions of languages/frameworks, though (which we don't need to do)

HyperNeutrino

Tumbleweed is a weird badge cuz like, it's not like you can actively try to pursue it and it also doesn't encourage anything so it's just kinda like a lucky consolation you get if you just get ignored? idk

caird coinheringaahing

15:02

> 1.1k awarded

over on stackoverflow for Synonymizer

Redwolf Programs

I got it (tumbleweed) on SO once by forgetting to add a language tag to my question, so it got buried

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino Yeah, I think its a good example of a badge that should've been retired

Redwolf Programs

It was, right?

HyperNeutrino

Yeah

caird coinheringaahing

There are some that people say "Well, this doesn't encourage good behaviour, so we shouldn't have it", but tumbleweed was basically impossible to try to get, whereas every other badge you can at least work towards getting it

Redwolf Programs

15:04

Why was analytical retired?

HyperNeutrino

I got Tumbleweed on SO once for a question about codeanywhere and it just disappeared into the abyss of SO new questions and it's been deleted by Community xD

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms My guess is it got supplanted by Informed

Tenacious and Unsung Hero seem suspect IMO:

> Tenacious Zero score accepted answers: more than 5 and 20% of total
Unsung Hero Zero score accepted answers: more than 10 and 25% of total

I don't see what kind of behaviour that's encouraging

Redwolf Programs

Sockpuppeting

HyperNeutrino

wait what's the requirement; over 20% of all of your answers are accepted with 0 score? or >20% of your accepted answer have zero score

caird coinheringaahing

20% of your total answers are zero score accepted

Also, Reversal was an interesting badge: "Provide an answer of +20 score to a question of -5 score"

HyperNeutrino

15:08

huh. that seems pretty hard to get w/o sockpuppeting and doesn't really encourage anything :P

caird coinheringaahing

It'd only been awarded 4 times, and on 2 questions, to 3 users, and one of the questions was code-trolling, and the other was a classic "Do X without Y"

Redwolf Programs

On this site it's probably nearly impossible to get one accepted zero score answer

caird coinheringaahing

I think answer-chaining questions might be the only place you can, by posting a nondescript answer that happens to be the second-to-last

And given that people generally upvote the answer they accept, you'd also need at least 1 person to downvote it first to get a zero score

Redwolf Programs

Convention is the rarest badge I have, with only 104 users having it. Seems odd it's that uncommon.

Wait, generalist is unawarded?

caird coinheringaahing

15:24

Sep 16 at 21:21, by pppery

The generalist badge is only awarded if the top 40 tags have over 200 questions each, which isn't the case here.

You need a lot of questions on the site to get Generalist

Redwolf Programs

Oh. That's a strange restriction.

caird coinheringaahing

TBH I've always thought generalist should be gold

Redwolf Programs

Yeah, seems like a really tough badge, and one which rewards positive behavior rather than sockpuppeting

Neil

16:03

speaking of badges, I wrote stackoverflow.com/a/64146120/182705 as a somewhat jokey answer, not even trying to get a badge...

HyperNeutrino

16:13

the answer is always jquery

step 1: jquery
step 2: regex
step 3: profit

Redwolf Programs

I used eval("$".match(/\$/)[0]) in my latest project and my boss gave me a $5m raise!

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino This answer also qualifies for this bounty, so I've gone ahead and started it

HyperNeutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing oh, right! thanks :D

Razetime

@RedwolfPrograms congrats!

Redwolf Programs

The scariest part is that I actually wrote a line of code very similar to that when I first learned to program and didn't know about arrays

Luckily I only used temp = eval("variable" + number) once before I learned how stupid I was

Razetime

16:29

@RedwolfPrograms horror story in one line

another impressive achievement

Newly Featured Questions

16:42

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Q: Expand the variadic expression

One of the cool features introduced in the C++11 standard is the ability to declare a template parameter as being variadic; i.e. that parameter represents a sequence of an arbitrary number of arguments (including zero!). For example, suppose the parameter pack args expands contains the sequence ...

Redwolf Programs

Ever wanted to ruin your browser? Tired of boring old infinite loops? Try eval(s="eval(s)")! With patented memory wasting technology, it rapidly consumes those useless gigabytes! In seconds, watch as your browser becomes a useless brick before your very eyes!

caird coinheringaahing

Man, that could 100% be one of the spam posts on main

HyperNeutrino

@RedwolfPrograms thanks, I hate it :D (i'm really tempted to try this but i know it's just going to freeze and i'll need to kill my browser)

New Main Posts

i am bot feed me butter

3

HyperNeutrino

@NewMainPosts I wonder if there's a way to get NMP to not post closed questions.

caird coinheringaahing

16:54

Idk, but mods can delete/edit down NMP messages

Redwolf Programs

I also wonder if there's a way for someone to get the new sandboxed posts one to show the sandboxed post's title instead of "Sandbox for Proposed Challenges"

HyperNeutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing right. it'd be nice if there were a way to not show it but I think that's probably just a design feature/component of how SE does feeds

caird coinheringaahing

Case in point :P

@HyperNeutrino It doesn't show deleted posts if they're deleted before NMP detects them, but beyond that, I think it's a built in part of the bots

HyperNeutrino

Ah, okay that's nice. Yeah I feel like if there were a way to do it someone would have by now, so I assume there isn't anything we can do about it

editing out the oneboxes works and I'll stick to the butter theme someone invented (I wonder where that even came from originally lmao)

caird coinheringaahing

Either Doorknob or Alex A IIRC

First NMP message to be edited to have Butter in it

HyperNeutrino

17:01

@RedwolfPrograms Unfortunately I am almost certain it's impossible; questions have titles but answers don't necessarily have a title so SE's feeds probably don't have a way to handle that

I'm sure someone could code an SE bot to but I believe TNB prohibits chatbots

Redwolf Programs

Maybe someone (me?) could make a userscript that automatically filters NMP/NSP posts

It doesn't fix it for everyone, but it seems that's not really an option anyway

HyperNeutrino

@RedwolfPrograms Ooh, that's a clever solution. That would be really cool to see; unfortunately I'm too busy otherwise I'd maybe consider looking into that

Redwolf Programs

I've started writing some code, should have something mostly working in a few hours I think.

Redwolf Programs

17:18

Is there a list of the bot things we have? Theres NMP, sandbox, featured, loopholes, bounties, what else?

caird coinheringaahing

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/240/…

^ list of feed

@RedwolfPrograms New Meta Posts

Redwolf Programs

Oh, ok. Thanks!

New Sandboxed Posts

17:32

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

TPK Algorithm The TPK Algorithm was designed in 1977 Donald Knuth and Luis Trabb Pardo to show off the various functionality of languages at the time. Your task is to implement the most common version of the TPK algorithm. The pseudocode goes as follows (adapted from Wikipedia): ask for 11 number...

HyperNeutrino

:55769348 I recommend using the Sandbox to test things.

Redwolf Programs

Oh yeah, forgot about that. That should be the only test I needed, just to make sure I was observing messages correctly :p

HyperNeutrino

Ah, okay cool :P

Redwolf Programs

I'm just glad the chat uses descriptive names for classes and stuff, instead of a6cDjs and stuff.

HyperNeutrino

ooh it does; never noticed that before. that's very nice!

caird coinheringaahing

17:37

Ooh, I do love finding a winning Jelly answer when there are already 2 existing answers :D

Redwolf Programs

I remember one time I tied Arnauld on a JS answer (to one of my own challenges :p) and I felt like an absolute genius

Redwolf Programs

18:45

Redwolf Programs

20:35

The Feed Filter userscript is complete.

At least, I think. I'm going to do some testing, then post a link to it if everything seems good. It allows a lot of customization, you just have to change some regexes.

Shaggy

Anyone got the top posters by language SEDE query handy? Think I might be creeping up on my 1000th Japt solution.

HyperNeutrino

@Shaggy I think you might be looking for this?

It says you're at 960 (almost triple the second place wow :P) posts

Redwolf Programs

The userscript works! How do I share it with people? Just post the code somewhere?

HyperNeutrino

@RedwolfPrograms yay, nice :D you can post a link on Meta; people have done it before

Shaggy

@HyperNeutrino That's the one, thanks, buddy. Yeah, 960 as of 5 days ago so getting close. And that second place? That's the guy that created Japt!

Redwolf Programs

20:48

For now I'll just put a link to the source code here, then I'll post it on meta after I ensure it works for other people

HyperNeutrino

@Shaggy no prob :D that's a pretty impressive amount, and wow that's interesting!

@RedwolfPrograms okay, great! if you name your file ending with .user.js then when people click on the "Raw" button it will automatically open Tampermonkey and prompt to install, by the way

Shaggy

Jaysis! I'm also the top poster in Rockstar :o That was unexpected!

HyperNeutrino

I wonder if there's an efficient way to find all languages where a query user is in the top bunch :P

caird coinheringaahing

@Shaggy TBF I don't know of anyone else who posts in Rockstar, and about 50% I click "1 active question" on Main, its "answered by Shaggy 1 minute ago" :P

Shaggy

@cairdcoinheringaahing And the other 50% is split between you & Razetime :D

caird coinheringaahing

20:51

Well, between my editing and Razetime's Husk obsession, it can't be helped :P

@HyperNeutrino Oh that hurts :/ I'm not even in the top 10 Jelly posters :/

Only need 12 answers tho, so I'm not too far off :P

HyperNeutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing ouch :c oh hey I'm actually up there; not surprising cuz between Python and Jelly i don't really use any other languages, but still was expecting like 18 other people to just randomly have like twice my posts :P

caird coinheringaahing

> Kevin Cruijssen 999

For 05AB1E

@HyperNeutrino TBF I post a lot in my own languages, so it doesn't surprise me

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Looks prime to me! Intro Figuring out whether a given number is prime, while not very complicated, is kind of hard. But making a guess doesn't need to be. Seeing whether a number is a multiple of 2 or 5 is easy - you can just look at the last digit. Multiples of 3 isn't much harder, just add up t...

caird coinheringaahing

Also, it doesn't look like it's up to date. It says my last Jelly post was 2020-10-02 17:17:58, but I posted one about 2 hours ago

HyperNeutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing Oh that's fair. I don't use my own languages cuz they're not good at any particular category nor particularly interesting lol

@cairdcoinheringaahing SEDE updates Sunday night

caird coinheringaahing

20:56

Ah, so I might have taken #10 next time I check :P

> DJ 23 239

That's post count and post score in Jelly for DJ

HyperNeutrino

BTW I am abandoning the following sandboxed challenges:

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino Maybe take a break with Sandbox editing, you've taken over a lot of the front page

Good timing

HyperNeutrino

oh I forgot about that. mb

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Feel free to take any of the ideas, though I'd say they're not particularly good.

wtf

caird coinheringaahing

Any feedback on either of these two? number 1 and number 2

James

Hey, just got a great answer badge: codegolf.stackexchange.com/help/badges/40/…

caird coinheringaahing

21:06

@James You're welcome, I was the 100th upvote :D

Couldn't believe I hadn't upvoted it already

James

It certainly deserves that many votes, especially considering I spent all of 20 seconds on that answer :P

caird coinheringaahing

It is kinda clever tho :P

Lyxal

They need to add a badge for visiting 365 days in a row

Like what's the point of maintaining a streak longer than 100 if there's no extra reward?

James

I think I had my streak up to 1500ish days before I left

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, I was just about to say that I remember us having a little celebration when DJ reached 1000 consecutive days

@Lyxal Interestingly, there are some sites where changing Fanatic to 365 wouldn't go down well

Lyxal

21:15

@cairdcoinheringaahing I think I know which site that is

HyperNeutrino

who starred my bot edit from literally 4 hours ago lol

caird coinheringaahing

Judasism.SE had a discussion about the possibility of even getting 100 days, let alone 365

Lyxal

@HyperNeutrino am I not allowed to star what I want?

Sep 8 at 21:32, by Adám

27

Q: The Fanatic Badge

Here on Mi Yodeya, one can earn the "Fanatic" badge for visiting the site for 100 consecutive days. Is it halachically possible to earn the fanatic badge in the Diaspora?

shabbat calendar yom-tov chutz-laaretz stackexchange

HyperNeutrino

I wonder if there's an SEDE to check longest streak ever, or even current streak (I know that's on the profile but like, can the SEDE access it)

@Lyxal you can I was just wondering how someone even saw it that many pages up :P

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino I think Glorfindal has something like 5000 consecutive on Meta.SE or something crazy

Lyxal

21:17

@HyperNeutrino it's because I check all the night's activity that I miss

caird coinheringaahing

...do people not do that when they join the room in the(ir) morning?

HyperNeutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing oh wow that's an extremely impressive dedication and also how on earth did they not have a single day in 13 years that they were too busy lol

caird coinheringaahing

> SEDE doesn't give the consecutive days on a user, so no luck there.

@HyperNeutrino I don't think that's the actual number (SE's only been around for ~10 years), but it was something crazy high

HyperNeutrino

Now that I look at it, between 4h ago and now there haven't even been that many messages. I just thought it was really far back lol. I usually check what I missed because it's usually just a page or two

caird coinheringaahing

Plus Glorfindel is an impressive cross-site user

Lyxal

21:20

@NewMainPosts no, I don't think I will

I need my butter for cheese sandwiches

caird coinheringaahing

They have 119 rep or more on every site they're a member of (quite a lot with no answers/question), at least 1 gold badge for each site and 1k+ rep on 34 sites

HyperNeutrino

oh wow, that is pretty awesome

caird coinheringaahing

133

Q: Anyone with a "visited: 4096 days, 4096 consecutive" in their profile?

Back in May, 27th 2009, the Stack Overflow team introduced a little counter to monitor the consecutive days you visited the site. And 30 days later (June 26th 2009), the first "Enthusiast" badges were awarded. Today, August, 13th 2020, is four thousand ninety-six days later. Today, 9th May 2020, ...

discussion stack-overflow fun consecutive-days

So this user has visited 4096+ days in a row. Imagine losing that streak

HyperNeutrino

holy crap xd yeah imagine losing over a decade of days that would really suck

caird coinheringaahing

You mean like this guy:

Well, you might be the only one now. I got very busy on Saturday, and my streak finally ended. :( — Bill the Lizard May 14 '18 at 12:24

HyperNeutrino

21:25

feels bad ;-; or losing it to something like this

caird coinheringaahing

Imagine not having multiple devices constantly logged into SE at all times

So don't ping me too much in chat, my computer, phone and laptop will all make "the noise" :P

HyperNeutrino

*proceeds to spam ping you for the next 18 minutes and 37 seconds*

Lyxal

@HyperNeutrino what if you wanted to make an account on http://hyper-neutrino.xyz but the webpage said `Web page not available
The web page at http://hyper-neutrino.xyz/projects could not be loaded because: net::ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED`

HyperNeutrino

i remember one time on a family road trip i ended up opening PPCG using the internet at a rest station just to make sure i wouldn't miss that day, and I think then I lost it a while later because my account got yeeted lol

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino If you abuse your mod powers, do I take over as the runner up in the election? :P

HyperNeutrino

21:30

@cairdcoinheringaahing I mean I don't think it'd be mod abuse, just general breaking chat rules but I imagine if I did get kicked off they'd probably just ask you to become a moderator? I don't know if they'd decide 3 is enough or force a re-election or just go with you since you're a willing and able candidate from a very recent election :P

Lyxal

@HyperNeutrino wait I have an account on your site lol

HyperNeutrino

@Lyxal Wait, what ._. it works perfectly fine for me; I'll see if I can figure out what might be wrong

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino I love it when a joke leads to a proper discussion :P

Lyxal

@HyperNeutrino I reloaded the main site and it says I'm logged in

caird coinheringaahing

I don't know if they'd decide to just continue with 3 or have an election. I doubt they'd just appoint me, they tend to only do that for Beta sites, not graduated ones

HyperNeutrino

21:31

@Lyxal Huh... well lemme check anyway and I'll see if something is up with my site

caird coinheringaahing

> This site can’t be reached

hyper-neutrino.xyz refused to connect.

Lyxal

@HyperNeutrino why can I make an account anyway?

HyperNeutrino

TBH there's literally no reason for me to have accounts on my site other than "I wanted to try it and make sure I know how to do it"

caird coinheringaahing

That's what I get when I click the hyperlink Lyxal linked above

HyperNeutrino

proof of concept? i guess :P

Lyxal

21:33

hyper-neutrino.xyz

caird coinheringaahing

Now it works

Lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing can confirm

And there's a reason why

Thar first post tries to link to http

caird coinheringaahing

is deafened by ping noise

Lyxal

When it needs https

Neil

naturally I'm the top poster in Charcoal by a long shot (almost 80% of all Charcoal answers), but in Retina I'm still only 70% ahead of Martin Ender

Lyxal

21:34

@cairdcoinheringaahing but it was only a single ping!

Okay fine. 2 pings now

caird coinheringaahing

@Lyxal I clicked the signup page, was debating whether I should give HN my email address, then realised that as a mod they can see it anyways :/

HyperNeutrino

Going to HTTP just redirects me to HTTPS cuz i think i have HSTS configured correctly?

caird coinheringaahing

@Lyxal 3 pings with 3 open devices :P

@HyperNeutrino How do you store passwords for your users?

Lyxal

Adám

@HyperNeutrino hyper-neutrino.xyz/projects links to http://dev.hyper-neutrino.xyz instead of https and there's no redirect.

Lyxal

21:36

Note the lack of s

caird coinheringaahing

> Terms of Service
WIP there's nothing here yet.

The only ToS I'll ever agree to :P

Adám

Also, why isn't it hyper-neutrino.dev‽

caird coinheringaahing

Man, I feel sorry for HN, we're all piling on them now :(

HyperNeutrino

@Adám Oh, I'll fix that. That's strange though, for me http redirects to https consistently on all websites run from that server

Adám

@HyperNeutrino Since you are quite open about your name being Alexander, I guess your pronouns are the traditional English masculine ones. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

HyperNeutrino

21:38

oh also I'm running my website from development flask server cuz uh... hm. not smart

@Adám Oh. Yes, you are correct, thanks for asking. I thought I still had that in my profile but guess I accidentally forgot to include it when I remade my About Me. I'm guessing yours are too, given your name (and pfp)?

Adám

Yup.

HyperNeutrino

cool :+1:

@Adám didn't feel like reserving more domain names, lol :P

Redwolf Programs

What the heck, I got on the bus to go home 20 minutes ago and there's two pages worth of chat I have to (get to?) read :p

caird coinheringaahing

edits profile

HyperNeutrino

I mean, I did mean to have it there all along, I just forgot last time :P

caird coinheringaahing

21:41

@RedwolfPrograms Man, you'd hated TNB's hayday :P You could easily have 1500 messages in a single day :P

Redwolf Programs

Now my userscript is buried

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino I meant me, but I guess it works for everyone :P

Lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms you're welcome

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Make a meta post about it. It's relevant to the site, and people can use it to report any bugs/give feedback

HyperNeutrino

Oh. oh I see that makes more sense

Lyxal

21:43

Speaking of userscripts: the auto leaderboard in the graduation userscript is broken

caird coinheringaahing

@Lyxal Yeah, it has been for a few weeks :( Don't think any of the people developing it (Downgoat IIRC) is still active on PPCG tho

Maybe on the PPCG discord tho

HyperNeutrino

okay after looking through my flask logs, journalctl, and the nginx logs, I haven't been able to conclude any reason why my site is refusing connections inconsistently :/

Lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing so you mean it's not my browser?

Because this happened once before

caird coinheringaahing

Unless you're using the same browser as me

Chrome, ~~latest~~ latest but one version

Lyxal

It no longer showed up, and I switched browsers and it worked

Neil

21:46

hmm, that query isn't entirely accurate, there are some false positives

Redwolf Programs

@HyperNeutrino I get hyper-neutrino.xyz refused to connect every time

But it works for dev.hyper-neutrino.xyz

Lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing I use Vivaldi

@Neil relevant discussion: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/240?m=55691170#55691170

Use the second one

HyperNeutrino

could it be cloudflare? I can't figure out what's wrong i'm sad ;-;

caird coinheringaahing

If you guys don't mind me changing the topic, I've been messing around with rolling character stats for DnD and I've seen something kinda interesting in that if you reroll bad rolls, most of the time they improve, but sometimes they get significantly worse (I mean 13 -> 5 worse), and was wondering if I could make a challenge out of that

Lyxal

caird coinheringaahing

21:48

No idea where I'd go from "look, this thing happens", just thought there could be something interesting there

Lyxal

@HyperNeutrino Compare two images and urls

HyperNeutrino

I do not mind please distract ppl from my bad website ;-; lmao. I should work on that sometime in the future but I don't really need it

@Lyxal yeah, but http always redirects to https for me automatically

caird coinheringaahing

mindless chatter about DnD

Lyxal

Wow y'all actually play dnd

Lucky

HyperNeutrino

okay never mind, that appears to be because my browser cached it, and it doesn't work when I open in incognito. gonna have to see if something's wrong with my configs

caird coinheringaahing

21:50

@Lyxal I wish

I'm just sat here surrounded by dice trying to get a group started

Redwolf Programs

Why does pinging it give something from some completely other URL

PING hyper-neutrino.xyz (64.69.36.185) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from staff.nasa-gov.org (64.69.36.185): icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=47.3 ms
64 bytes from staff.nasa-gov.org (64.69.36.185): icmp_seq=2 ttl=52 time=49.3 ms

Lyxal

... NASA?

caird coinheringaahing

Guys, HN's hacking NASA

Lyxal

Uh

@HyperNeutrino do you work there now?

caird coinheringaahing

Clearly HN faked the moon landings :P

HyperNeutrino

21:51

what

how did you guys know

quickly, must eleven the messages before anyone else sees

caird coinheringaahing

Top secret fact: the code that sent Apollo 11 to the moon was written in Jelly

HyperNeutrino

hyper-neutrino@ubuntu:~/workspace$ traceroute hyper-neutrino.xyz
traceroute to hyper-neutrino.xyz (64.69.36.185), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  staff.nasa-gov.org (64.69.36.185)  0.081 ms  0.026 ms  0.016 ms

okay I am so confused

Lyxal

@HyperNeutrino tell us, is the world round or flat?

HyperNeutrino

@Lyxal dinosaur

caird coinheringaahing

Do you have a user who works at NASA maybe?

Lyxal

21:56

@HyperNeutrino yup, HN is NASA employee confirmed

Because the earth isn't dinosaur shaped

Redwolf Programs

But NASA's website isn't nasa-gov.org

Lyxal

Thats a conspiracy theory

HyperNeutrino

uhhhhhh, I have me, my friend, my brother, and Lyxal

and I know my friend, my brother, and I don't work at NASA

clearly it's Lyxal

Lyxal

Idk, hn acting kinda sus

I saw him venting

caird coinheringaahing

nasa-gov.org got blocked by my ISP as "Look out! Your Virgin Media Virus Safe settings have blocked this site"

Redwolf Programs

21:57

@HyperNeutrino What do you use for DNS?

HyperNeutrino

for me nasa-gov.org doesn't connect

Lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing virgin?

HyperNeutrino

@RedwolfPrograms Cloudflare

caird coinheringaahing

@Lyxal ISP here in the UK

HyperNeutrino

mxtoolbox says nasa-gov.org doesn't even have a dns record found

Redwolf Programs

21:58

Might want to check your nginx configs

Lyxal

nasa-gov.org: net::ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED

HyperNeutrino

i'll just see how my friend did his nginx; we have our configs merged into one file on our server so i'll just see if there's something different between our two

Redwolf Programs

This is by far the weirdest networking/server issue I've ever seen. (Not that I've seen too many)

Lyxal

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HyperNeutrino

hahaha. good one :P

also, *nasa? or is that smth else

Lyxal

22:03

Oh fck

Can you as a mod change that?

It'll probably time out for me

Redwolf Programs

Even weirder, I still get staff.nasa-gov.org with dev.hyper-neutrino.xyz, but it actually works with HTTP

HyperNeutrino

@Lyxal isn't it 5 minutes to edit? or is that comments and chat is 1? either way FTFY :P

Redwolf Programs

Wait, now it connects but says the server's offline

HyperNeutrino

@RedwolfPrograms okay honestly at this point i'm just really confused .-.

Lyxal

@HyperNeutrino I got confused because NESA is the NSW Education Standards Authority, which regulates end of school exams

HyperNeutrino

22:04

yeah I just shut down the main server

Lyxal

@HyperNeutrino it's 2 mins but I know that editing on mobile would take longer

Redwolf Programs

I wonder if there's some weird firewall thing that's redirecting our pings (since that's a different port than HTTP, maybe?)

HyperNeutrino

ah, okay. oh you're on mobile, i see. that must be a lot harder to edit then lol

Lyxal

No kidding

HyperNeutrino

okay, well i have no clue, so i'm just going to ask my friend if he has any idea what's going on lol

Redwolf Programs

22:10

This is the only mention of any nasa-gov.org I can find online, and it's malware related

HyperNeutrino

tracert works if i run it on windows (realized that i shouldn't be tracerouting my site from the server itself through ssh)

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Just type it into your browser, see what happens ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :P

HyperNeutrino

goes through 16 packet jumps

also works if i traceroute it from a linux machine not on the server

Redwolf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing Nothing. It doesn't exist as far as we can tell. No DNS.

HyperNeutrino

pinging it still goes to nasa-gov though ._.

caird coinheringaahing

22:13

Clearly this is NASA's actual website where you can see the evidence of a flat earth, and only the president and top officials are allowed to see it

Redwolf Programs

The IP comes back to Kansas (United States), with the hostname staff.nasa-gov.org

Wait, but I can still ping staff.nasa-gov.org even though it doesn't exist.

HyperNeutrino

when i try to curl my site it gives port 80 connection refused

when i try to curl staff.nasa-gov.org it gives could not resolve host

Redwolf Programs

Weird, the owner of the IPs is Akamai Technologies, seems to be a cybersecurity/DNS company. Not sure why it comes back with that weird nasa-gov site, though. Maybe they're hosting it?

HyperNeutrino

i think every discovery we've made has only brought more questions than answers :P

Redwolf Programs

Yeah, definitely. Find anything weird in either of your nginx configs?

HyperNeutrino

22:28

nope :/ it all looks pretty normal, but I've asked my friend and i'll see what he says

in any case i'm going to have dinner now so i'll be away for a bit o/ hopefully i can fix my site soon tho lol

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