The Nineteenth Byte

According to this question a Superb Shuffle™️ is defined as a full deck of cards (including jokers) which follows this set of rules: No two cards (except Jokers) of the same suit are adjacent. No card (except Jokers) is adjacent to one of the same value. No card (except Jokers) is adjacent to o...

Downgoat

10:02 AM

@ASCII-only for VSL do we want to do the thing where enums can have constructors

Erik the Outgolfer

10:14 AM

@FrownyFrog yeah, I did guess it would be easy for APL_like languages...btw, it's apparently 38 in gs2 (credit tails), so that talks by itself: it's not very easy a challenge

ngn

12:01 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer link?

Erik the Outgolfer

not post-mortem yet, I dunno :P

ngn

@EriktheOutgolfer ok, never mind :)

Erik the Outgolfer

@ngn the challenge is this: golf.shinh.org/p.rb?box+aligning+language

you can try it out in K (Kona) if you want :)

just submit a .k file or choose K from the language list

ngn

@EriktheOutgolfer thanks; I don't think I k is likely to win this one - it's not so good at concatenating matrices with padding, J is perfect for this, APL could use mix (↑⍵)

I'll try golfing it for pleasure with ngn/k :)

Erik the Outgolfer

@ngn APL doesn't exist :P don't worry about the score you will get, try your best

and it's probably for the best, because otherwise who knows what kind of GNU APL hell would have been in there

Adám

12:19 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer Is GNU APL actually so bad? I mean, they have some strange dfns, but other than that?

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám also, ~~I think~~ anagol counts in bytes, and APL would be a very different challenge over there (like, how to avoid as much unicode as possible)

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer Ugh.

@EriktheOutgolfer Actually, that's an interesting challenge for non-ASCII languages. Imagine golfing Jelly with a penality on non-ASCII built-ins?

ngn

it calls itself "anarchy golf", but it's telling us what languages we can and cannot use... :)

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám it depends on whether anagol would've used Jelly's codepage or Unicode

Adám

Obviously, APL can't do much with +-*!?|=<>^~/\,.@&{}[]()#

Erik the Outgolfer

12:26 PM

at least Dennis would've definitely wanted the former

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer Uh, what?

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Progrqmming Puzzle andf Co9de Golf | codegolf Intro We all make mistakes. You, me, everyone. But not computers. They aren't making any mistake. Not even a single typo. Time to change this injustice. Task Your task will be to take a string as input, and display the string character by charact...

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám the reason Jelly is a successful golfing language (know what happened to ESMin?) is that it has its own code page, so, theoretically, the solutions are actually the bytes the Unicode chars represent, and not those chars themselves...so, if anagol uses Jelly's codepage, then we could upload a e.g. .jelly file encoded in JELLY

dzaima

@EriktheOutgolfer he specifically said it'd be interesting golfing if there was a penalty for non-ASCII chars

Adám

@dzaima ninja'ed. Thanks.

Erik the Outgolfer

12:31 PM

I'm replying to the "Imagine golfing Jelly with a penality on non-ASCII built-ins?" part

lol, if something like that was true for a PPCG challenge, the downvotes would've been merciless

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer Yes, but it sounds like it wouldn't be a problem to use only the first 128 built-ins.

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám Jelly's encoding is, unfortunately, not an extension of 7-bit ASCII, so it's only the printable ASCII built-ins that can be used like that :P

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer Only because it would be an unnecessary and unfair restriction. But a challenge designed especially for 8-bit languages, restricting them to 7 bits, could be fun.

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám and the challenge would be...?

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer Either that, or maybe just the first half of the code page. Just a thought experiment at this point.

dzaima

12:35 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer some of my favorite (non-ascii-art/KC) challenges have been restricted-source. I find it very fun to try to golf while there isn't access to a big portion of built-ins

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer It does look to me like the Jelly codepage is an extension of printable 7-bit ASCII. (All ASCII is 7-bit…)

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám "7-bit" is used to avoid ambiguities with "Extended" :P

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer Hence.

ngn

1:01 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer I have a 117-byte solution in ngn/k, now I can start golfing it...

Erik the Outgolfer

@ngn no, not ngn/k, K (Kona)

ngn

@EriktheOutgolfer I know, I'm golfing for pleasure

Erik the Outgolfer

@ngn ah OK then :P

but, if you want to submit it, I don't guarantee that you will not have to make adjustments for ngn/k → K (Kona) :)

Adám

@ngn 117‽ That's like entire financial application length…

ngn

@Adám haha, true :)

it's so complicated, I had to split it in two lines

Adám

1:04 PM

@ngn What is that famous APL expression that calculates all payments/interests of all types of loans/deposits?

ngn

@Adám idk, is it one that computes compound interest?

Adám

@ngn Something like that.

ngn

it would be trivial to translate that formula to apl

Destructible Lemon

Kuhn poker

Kuhn poker is an extremely simplified form of poker developed by Harold W. Kuhn as a simple model zero-sum two-player imperfect-information game, amenable to a complete game-theoretic analysis. In Kuhn poker, the deck includes only three playing cards, for example a King, Queen, and Jack. One card is dealt to each player, which may place bets similarly to a standard poker. If both players bet or both players pass, the player with the higher card wins, otherwise, the betting player wins. == Game description == In conventional poker terms, a game of Kuhn poker proceeds as follows: Each player antes...

seem like a good idea for a king of the hill?

i was also thinking i could apply the many-worlds model to this to make the results deterministic

Adám

@ngn Found it: principals∘.×times∘.*⍨1+rates

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Q: The Jumping Up Sequence

Consider the following sequence: 0 1 3 2 5 4 8 6 7 12 9 10 11 17 13 14 15 16 23 ... Looks pretty pattern-less, right? Here's how it works. Starting with 0, jump up n integers, with n starting at 1. That's the next number in the sequence. Then, append any numbers "skipped" and that haven't been...

code-golf sequence

ASCII-only

2:08 PM

@Mego 1. poorly-written as in source code? 2. well the vast majority of languages out there are quickly-written, insanely hacky esolangs

@Downgoat ping

@Downgoat maybe. but only if they're compile time

@Downgoat former. unless the latter has some kind of usecase i'm not aware of?

@CatWizard :/ haskell's infinite lists aren't smart

Cat Wizard

2:30 PM

@ASCII-only Yeah, there is no way for it to know that the list is constant.

ASCII-only

@CatWizard no way?

Cat Wizard

How would it?

ASCII-only

i guess it would be kinda possible in interpreted haskell but not compiled haskell?

Cat Wizard

Yeah. Or I suppose if !! was given access to the underlying representation it might be able to do reference checking

But even then, that would probably make normal list indexing slower.

ASCII-only

in other languages you could make it a subclass of List, but Haskell probably can't do anything like that in a sane way

Cat Wizard

2:34 PM

Haskell lists are parametrically polymorphic, so there are subctypes of forall x.[x], but for example [Int] does not have any subtypes, nor can they be made.

Pavel

@CatWizard I don't get it. Are lists not all constant?

Cat Wizard

[1,2,3]?

Pavel

Oh, you mean as in compile-time constant?

Cat Wizard

Uh, no I mean contains only one thing

Pavel

...

Cat Wizard

2:43 PM

[1,1,1] is constant

@ASCII-only Here is an implementation

ASCII-only

:O nice, you can have any head and (looping) tail

@CatWizard what's the third last line for

Cat Wizard

(Looplist [] (head:_)) !! 0 = head?

Oh yeah, that's not needed

ASCII-only

2:59 PM

also, re: the recursion, i'm assuming Haskell is (quite) heavily optimized for that?

Cat Wizard

Haskell is optimized for recursion a good deal

Pavel

@CatWizard I don't think that's what constant means

ASCII-only

~~so kinda like prolog~~

@Pavel well at least not in conventional programming terms, yeah

wait.

actually haskell's pattern matching looks kinda like prolog's here

Riker

3:13 PM

@quartata did frowny know you were baiting him for that tweet

also what deepfryer do you use? gimp?

quartata

wasn't a bait, i just thought it was funny

i used this because i was in a hurry deepfriedmemes.com

but usually i use imagemagick for effects

AdmBorkBork

3:29 PM

@CatWizard How could a program both terminate and make an infinite list?

ASCII-only

@AdmBorkBork it doesn't have to be an actual infinite list

it just has to behave like one

Pavel

@AdmBorkBork Haskell lists are basically generators

Mayube

@AdmBorkBork either a generator, or a supertask

ASCII-only

@Mayube but actual programs can't be supertasks :P

Cat Wizard

@AdmBorkBork A function can accept a infinite number of inputs but doesn't need to evaluate all of them to be used. The same with a list, if the list is lazily evaluated we can check the place of any specific index just fine.

AdmBorkBork

3:30 PM

Apparently I'm showing my ignorance.

So it'd be like returning a closed-form lambda?

Cat Wizard

I'm not sure what a closed form lambda is.

My current haskell answer builds an infinite list, and then makes a function that indexes that list.

Pavel

@AdmBorkBork I know you use PS, which is kinda .NET, do you know how an IEnumerable<T> works?

AdmBorkBork

That sounds like it would be OK, but I'm trusting you guys ain't pulling my leg. :D

Cat Wizard

should I edit it into the question?

AdmBorkBork

@Pavel OK, that kinda makes sense.

@CatWizard Sure. You could word it better than I could.

Pavel

3:38 PM

@AdmBorkBork Well there you go. Yes, this means list indexing in Haskell is O(N).

ASCII-only

@AdmBorkBork closed-form lambda?

@Pavel since they're linked lists (IIRC?)

Pavel

They're either linked lists or generators

Cat Wizard

They're somewhere between linked lists and generators

regular linked lists can be infinite btw, since pointers are basically a form of lazy evaluation.

ASCII-only

@CatWizard hmm. i wonder how useful infinite lists (and variations of them) would be in real life applications

Cat Wizard

I'm sure they are used. Especially when it comes to haskell.

AdmBorkBork

3:46 PM

I don't think your infinite list is generated correctly. Around x=50 it should go 46, 57, 48

Cat Wizard

Oh hm, that's probably my fault.

@AdmBorkBork Wait why?

Shouldn't 47 be between 57 and 48?

AdmBorkBork

Because 47 was already seen at the jump from 37 to 47

quartata

@Pavel you can use Data.Array for when you need O(1)

Cat Wizard

Ok I think I miss understood the question.

Mr. Xcoder

4:17 PM

Husk's infinite lists knock Jelly out again >_>

ASCII-only

4:33 PM

@CatWizard hmmmmmmmmmmm would it be possible to make a class like Looplist but with limited length

AdmBorkBork

lplst

ASCII-only

@AdmBorkBork what's this

AdmBorkBork

A more limited length Looplist. ;-)

ASCII-only

@AdmBorkBork :|

AdmBorkBork

Well, I think I'm funny.

Cat Wizard

4:42 PM

@ASCII-only What do you mean by with limited length?

ASCII-only

@CatWizard like as in the constructor takes in length of the list and any higher than that errors

Cat Wizard

How is it looped though?

H.PWiz

@CatWizard *with limited length

ASCII-only

@CatWizard like Lengthlimitedlooplist [1, 2, 3] 7

it'd loop but only work for indices < 7

Cat Wizard

This can be made yes.

Pavel

4:52 PM

@quartata Do you know how Haskell's FFI deals with mutable collections?

Cat Wizard

https://tio.run/##jVFNa4NAEL37K0bSw@7BkvQoGCgESsBDD72FEMa40aXrGtYNFdr@djtr8COalopfM/P2vZk3OVbvQqmm@QwWEKPOLpgJeHnevFWwCL49WZxLY@HVCHVJBeQylToDxnyf8664QYuPsawssExoYeQxFjqzOfe8o8Kqgq1ORY2JEnCCj1wY4QE4BghDYFttRWZQQcIhWhMCIVhD4l7oeVJXFvVRjDh2@4EEwwP3/SVEhKXwECKF2oW@z3SwohZS6g7isjwr1yFSrQ92uHfPXZUe1Gv1GZYLTEkY6PZ9cOouc4OhJjvY7yDq1@WE4aAo1wJd8wPiWh6q15kmQjdnXdAiizKlxAPcrOSK7UyRhbQi7akScqebdlq7s6l2Rc7C4XOHcWTulGAwm80O8pHvk9phtACYmztB13@4PIGymsz9w/IZ8433BAH4gpMpi3ZO4mC27H5rDuvo3wtqCpQ6OhupLQFmyk9LJ71b7Vvl1XJyNT8

@ASCII-only There you go

Pavel

What's {-# Language GADTs #-}?

Mr. Xcoder

@Dennis Hi, do you mind if I edit some of your very mathy answers to use MathJax?

Cat Wizard

@Pavel It turns on the GADTs language extension.

Pavel

Ok, so it's still Haskell. Not a different language.

Cat Wizard

4:53 PM

Its technically not haskell but still GHC haskell since that's a compiler pragma

Something like Hugs won't compile that

Dennis

@Mr.Xcoder Go ahead. :)

Pavel

5:14 PM

Anyone know the name of Bash's <() operator (so I can google it)?

ASCII-only

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A: What exactly is <() in bash (and =() in zsh)?

This is called process substitution. The <(list) syntax is supported by both, bash and zsh. It provides a way to pass the output of a command (list) to another command when using a pipe (|) is not possible. For example when a command just does not support input from STDIN or you need the output ...

Pavel

Thanks

Soaku

ninja'd

ASCII-only

@Pavel google.com#q=bash+<%28%29

:|

Pavel

It didn't work for me

I tried

ASCII-only

5:20 PM

hmm. maybe because of your search history?

Pavel

Maybe

Erik the Outgolfer

@ΈρικΚωνσταντόπουλος That's what SymbolHound is for symbolhound.com — Joe Apr 22 '17 at 5:00

2

past experience of mine

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A fast-growing evaluator math code-challenge Introduction The fast-growing hierarchy is a hierarchy of, well, fast-growing functions, with a one-to-one correspondence to ordinals. If you did some busy-beaver challenges, you may have worked with them, since it's a systematic means of defining f...

AdmBorkBork

6:00 PM

@DJMcMayhem 90 :)

DJMcMayhem

Hmm?

AdmBorkBork

Socratic

I know it's not a race anymore, but I figured I'd still keep track.

DJMcMayhem

Oh nice!

You know I already beat you though, right?

:P

AdmBorkBork

Yah, I know. But still being one of the first 10 on the site is something to be proud of.

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Q: Could you make me a hexagon please?

Today, we're going to make an ASCII hexagon. You must write a program or function that takes a positive integer n, and outputs a hexagon grid of size n, made up of asterisks. For example, a hexagon of size 2 looks like this: * * * * * * * While a hexagon of size 3 looks like this: * * * ...

code-golf string ascii-art hexagonal-grid

DJMcMayhem

6:02 PM

Absolutely

@AdmBorkBork You're also in the top 10 here

AdmBorkBork

Oh neat.

I didn't even realize that. That's cool.

Taylor Scott

6:27 PM

I've been working on my answer to the mona lisa problem for just over a year now, and in the past 2 days have found 43 bytes worth of stuff that I think I really should not have missed, would any of yall be willing to take a look at it and tell me if there are any other glaring improvements that I could make?

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A: Let's draw Mona Lisa

Excel VBA 32-Bit, 1011 720 Bytes Revision 47; ΔScore=291 Bytes Golfed Full Subroutine that takes no input and outputs the Mona Lisa to the ActiveSheet object on the range [A1:DX96]. There was a lot of black magic involved in golfing this down to its current state, - of note, some of the ...

link for if any of y'all are inclined

Poke

6:48 PM

is there a way i can have a sql column be autogenerated unless i provide a value during an insert

using mssql if that matters

quartata

7:02 PM

Jeez, OpenGL ES is so annoying

it makes everything way more complicated for no reason at all

Like, should I really need a shader for a freaking solid background color?

I understand why, of course, but I don't agree

AdmBorkBork

CMC Output this: (trailing whitespace optional)

11111111111111111
 222222222222222
 133333333333331
  2444444444442
  1355555555531
   24666666642
   13577777531
    246888642
    135797531
     2468642
     1357531
      24642
      13531
       242
       131
        2
        1

Arnauld

@Mr.Xcoder Hey, thanks for the edit! I was not aware MathJax was back.

Mr. Xcoder

7:18 PM

Hi, np!

AdmBorkBork

7:50 PM

@AdmBorkBork Jelly, 10 bytes Try it online!

Mr. Xcoder

Come on... o_O (@_@)

Dennis

That's an IEEE754 float thing btw, not a JavaScript thing.

dzaima

@Mr.Xcoder 1) IEEE 754 === annoying; 2) why is that strange?

Mr. Xcoder

It just feels really confusing to me :P

Dennis

Think of NaN as a kind of exception. If any of your variables holds NaN at any point, something already went wrong.

quartata

7:57 PM

NaN is, by definition != NaN

126

A: Why is NaN not equal to NaN?

The accepted answer is 100% without question WRONG. Not halfway wrong or even slightly wrong. I fear this issue is going to confuse and mislead programmers for a long time to come when this question pops up in searches. NaN is designed to propagate through all calculations, infecting them like a...

Dennis

This is what gets me. :P

Mr. Xcoder

@Dennis In your answer here, if I understood it correctly, ∛x² was supposed to be ∛(x²), right? Let me know if I've gotten that wrong though and I'll happily ammend it.

DJMcMayhem

@Dennis Maybe NaN stands for Not a NaN

Dennis

@Mr.Xcoder x is positive, so it doesn't matter.

Mr. Xcoder

D'oh!

Dennis

8:03 PM

Actually, since it's a cube root, it doesn't matter for any x.

Mr. Xcoder

Yeah my brain must be malfunctioning right now, sorry... 😐

@DJMcMayhem recurses infinitely

DJMcMayhem

Tell that to Richard Stallman

Dennis

May 28 '17 at 3:37, by Dennis

HURD means HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons, where HIRD means HURD of Interfaces Representing Depth.

DJMcMayhem

May 28 '17 at 3:37, by Mego

@Dennis Baby don't HURD me no more

Digging through old transcript links is always a joy

AdmBorkBork

chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=even+this+acronym&room=240

DJMcMayhem

8:11 PM

That meme is so old that Martin had a different name last time it was posted o_O

Mr. Xcoder

So much mindblown. Very recursion. Doge logs off now.

Dennis

.oO ( Why does so meta even find 4 more results than even this acronym? )

DJMcMayhem

Jun 23 '17 at 23:42, by Patrick Roberts

SO meta even has complaints about reverting the button for Review because no one can figure out what the icon is for, proven by A/B testing xD

Dennis

@Mr.Xcoder Thank you for the edit btw. The post looks a lot better now. The impact on readability is even larger.

@DJMcMayhem What about this one?

Aug 21 '16 at 21:13, by Dennis

Aug 3 at 22:50, by New Meta Posts

I'M SO META EVEN THIS ACRONYM

It's not the italics. this acronym finds it, but even this acronym does not. o_0

Mr. Xcoder

@Dennis You're welcome! I had nothing better to do today so I figured I could do something useful

DJMcMayhem

8:18 PM

Here's another question: Why are there so few results for I'm an idiot?

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Alpha-Numerical Bowtie code-golf kolmogorov-complexity string Output this exact text: 1 i 12 hi 123 ghi 1234 fghi 12345 efghi 123456 defghi 1234567 cdefghi 12345678 bcdefghi 123456789abcdefghi 12345678 bcdefghi 1234567 cdefghi...

Mr. Xcoder

I've always thought SE chat search is completely broken

Dennis

@DJMcMayhem Well, there are zero results for i'm so meta (not restricted to TNB).

Mr. Xcoder

And look what happens when you remove the I'm

dzaima

@Mr.Xcoder or even just the I'

Mr. Xcoder

8:21 PM

I haven't seen so few people in TNB in a long while

dzaima

8:33 PM

@AdmBorkBork Canvas, a very ungolfy & slow 23 bytes even though I did add a minimum built-in while writing this

Neil

@AdmBorkBork Charcoal, 15 bytes: Ｆ⁹«Ｐ|⮌⭆⊕ι⊕κ↘»‖Ｂ

dzaima

21 bytes, 2 very basic golfs..

Erik the Outgolfer

> I've always thought SE chat [...] is completely broken

Oliver

8:50 PM

@Mego How would I repeat a string n-times in Actually? In this example, I'm trying to repeat *\n 10 times.

dzaima

@AdmBorkBork oh I'm incredibly stupid; port of Neils answer is 9 bytes

Erik the Outgolfer

hah, just as I read the previous question you asked to Mego...nothing important, move on

dzaima

heh

Erik the Outgolfer

what, nothing?

dzaima

@EriktheOutgolfer run. It's the correct answer but has way too many newlines

Erik the Outgolfer

8:55 PM

the "Output will be here" placeholder is still there, so that can't be the case...do you need ES6 to run it now?

dzaima

@EriktheOutgolfer oh classes is an ES6 feature so yeah

Erik the Outgolfer

so I probably need Firefox Quantum to run it

no success

maybe you have forgotten something?

dzaima

@EriktheOutgolfer ?

Erik the Outgolfer

wait...another Firefox update downloading...

let's see first before accusing :p

yeah, that was apparently the issue lol

but...the newlines don't look like they are in valid places

dzaima

@EriktheOutgolfer exactly.

Erik the Outgolfer

9:01 PM

btw you did try to just transpose the output and see for yourself, no?

@AdmBorkBork Jelly, 8 bytes (full program): 9ŒḄ⁺€z⁶Y

dzaima

@EriktheOutgolfer I just dismantled Neils answer and realized how stupid I am :p

Erik the Outgolfer

heh Jelly beats Canvas

dzaima

9:14 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer (searching each character) lead me to z = zip, so obviously jelly will be winning with it's trickery

Erik the Outgolfer

that's not really what's going on here, it's the (full program) part that mostly is

and is zipwith really that tricky :/

dzaima

@EriktheOutgolfer I mean every other thing is some generic/needed thing so zip + jelly trickery must do everything there

and I know 0 jelly so :p

Erik the Outgolfer

there's no one trick

first of all, ŒḄ is normal palindromization

dzaima

@EriktheOutgolfer that much I know. Everything else is what's confusing me

Erik the Outgolfer

however, ŒḄ is one of the atoms with the property that they make a range like R does when getting a number as an argument

Luis Mendo

9:21 PM

@Mego Is there a possibility that it might be re-disabled in the future, making answers with MathJax look bad?

Erik the Outgolfer

e.g. 4.4ŒḄ -> [1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 2, 1]

4.4R -> [1, 2, 3, 4]

@dzaima now, ⁺ means "the link right to the left", so it becomes ŒḄ

€ is simply map (€ach) here, so the result is the ŒḄ€ link, that is, do this to every integer in the list

z⁶ is simply zipwith with ⁶ = space (since the program doesn't accept a 4th argument)

Y is join with \ns

dzaima

@EriktheOutgolfer so that's the jelly trickery that's saving all the bytes here

Erik the Outgolfer

now, since this is a full program, and \ns are characters ('\n'), the output will not appear like [1, 2, 3, …

instead, since there are characters (or empty strings, []) in the list, the list is flattened, every element gets converted to its string representation and then everything is joined into a string

dzaima

so if there was a jelly-structured canvas the answer in that would be 6 bytes o.O

Erik the Outgolfer

the output is stringified

lol wanna join JHT? (mildly inactive atm)

dzaima

9:33 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer eh idk if I'm up to learning that monster (and I'm just about to disappear anyway)

Erik the Outgolfer

just join and you'll be assigned level 0

that is, if you wanna learn Jelly of course ;)

wait, why will you disappear?

dzaima

@EriktheOutgolfer 00:34 here + holidays

Erik the Outgolfer

ah, I thought you meant you'll disappear from the face of PPCG for some while

dzaima

@EriktheOutgolfer well if 3-4 days counts as a while then yes

Erik the Outgolfer

wait why lol parents don't allow internet?

or you just wanna relax deeply?

dzaima

9:37 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer we don't have internet in our countryside

Erik the Outgolfer

um, won't data plans work either?

dzaima

@EriktheOutgolfer I'm too lazy to change plans to something that contains internet for the couple days in a year I'd need that :p

Erik the Outgolfer

@dzaima you only use Wi-Fi from your phone? o_o

dzaima

@EriktheOutgolfer 99% of a day I'm either at home or at school or somewhere else there's wifi (and I don't need internet enough to care about the 1%)

Erik the Outgolfer

@dzaima if you say that aloud, you might get a few weird looks...

but yeah, me neither :p

Anonymous

10:29 PM

@LuisMendo I don't know

Anonymous

@Oliver n repeats

Luis Mendo

10:54 PM

@Mego It seems a bit risky to use it, then :-/

quartata

I heard today that NULL on old Cray systems was -1.

Tweeted by ID_AA_Carmack on June 22, 2018 at 10:55 PM

This is the worst thing I've ever read

Erik the Outgolfer

@LuisMendo then why did we enable it ;)

DJMcMayhem

11:15 PM

@LuisMendo I like to live on the edge :P

Erik the Outgolfer

11:30 PM

hm, has anybody noticed that, while Martin Ender's user activity has declined, Doorknob's user activity has recently raised? (can't know about mod activity)

Riker

martin is probably busy IRL, doorknob is probably off for the summer now

yep, looks like doorknob still has 1, maybe 2 summer vacations left

Erik the Outgolfer

uh, are they counted?

Doorknob

@EriktheOutgolfer huh, I didn't realize he started being more active recently

Erik the Outgolfer

he == you, for the record

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