The Nineteenth Byte

Anush

14:00

I feel it can be reduced to a classic problem.. let me see if I can work out the details

Pavel

\o/ dotnet core 2.1 is out and actually supports being updated by a package manager now

I don't have to install a new package with a new name each time I want to update anymore

Mayube

oh nice! I'll actually install it now

Pavel

That's the entire major update by the way. Package manager support.

Everything else that's changed is just some minor performance improvements on Linux and bugfixes.

Mayube

haha

caird coinheringaahing

@Mayube No, I don't think we did. It isn't really usable anyway though :P

Mayube

14:11

it really isn't. I was gunna try and come up with a basic CMC that it could do, but I can't even get a cat program to work

caird coinheringaahing

Ping me if you do, it seems that any non-constant output program would be insanely difficult, if not impossible.

Anush

@user202729 given two binary strings of the same length, how can you compute the minimum number of bits b you need to add to each string (in any locations) to make them the same string?

user202729

@Anush Edit distance.

Anush

@user202729 without substitutions

or deletions

user202729

@Anush No, deletion should be allowed.

Anush

14:24

why?

user202729

So compute the edit distance between two strings (allowed ops are insertion and deletion)

and for each insertion interpret it as insertion in the source string, for each deletion interpret it as deletion in the destination string.

Anush

hmm...

ok so an idea is the following.. look at all 2^(n-b) binary strings, for each pair compute the modified edit distance and see if it is <= b.

we can now make a graph with the nodes are the 2^(n-b) strings and there is an edge if they are close enough to each other in edit distance

user202729

No...

...

I don't think that can help with anything.

Anush

well.. we have an edge between two strings if they both could come from the same n bit strings with b deletions

user202729

:/

Anush

14:28

?

user202729

I think I made a mistake.

It can be faster.

Anush

cool

Mayube

@cairdcoinheringaahing I mean like, ,. doesn't even work, which should read and output the first character of input

Anush

@user202729 I look forward to seeing your new idea!

user202729

Not idea, just programming mistake.

Anush

14:34

oh ok

user202729

Doesn't improve the runtime much.

I do need better algorithm.

Anush

ok so it is a hitting set problem

Set cover problem

The set cover problem is a classical question in combinatorics, computer science and complexity theory. It is one of Karp's 21 NP-complete problems shown to be NP-complete in 1972. It is a problem "whose study has led to the development of fundamental techniques for the entire field" of approximation algorithms. Given a set of elements { 1 , 2 , . . . , n } {\displaystyle \{1,2,...,n\}} (called the universe) and a collection S {\d...

we want to find the minimum sized set of (n-b) length strings which covers all of the 2^n strings

user202729

Knowing that it's an instance of a NP-complete problem doesn't help much in a fastest-code...

Anush

@user202729 well it does in the sense that 2^n would enable n ~ 30-40

which is much larger than 6

user202729

2^n what?

Anush

14:44

2^n time, sorry

I wasn't very clear

user202729

There are 2^(n-b) subsets and 2^n elements in the universe.

So it should be 2^(2^n).

Anush

I believe set cover can be solved much faster than that

user202729

(who say that NP-.* means 2^)

Zacharý

I've decided on the "fill"ing method that FrownyFrog suggested.

FreezePhoenix

o/

Anush

14:46

@user202729 it doesn't always you are right but set cover, vertex cover and hitting set have complexity at least as good as that I believe

user202729

I think I wil read some linked pages...

Zacharý

R.A.D is just a hacked-together-mess. I'm a bodging execution into the parser.

Anush

cool

user202729

1

Q: Worst-case asymptotic-complexity of the Set-cover problem?

What's the worst-case asymptotic-complexity of the Set-cover problem in Big O notation? I've been developing some novel techniques to try and solve this problem but am having trouble finding the theoretical limits I need to surpass. Thanks for all information

Mr. Xcoder

@user202729 I fixed that

Thanks for the heads-up

Zacharý

14:50

Theoretical Comp Sci SE?

Anush

section 3.2 of ii.uib.no/~fomin/BookEA/BookEA.pdf :)

user202729

> Nevertheless, due to the structure of the real-world instances of the problem and to the
considerable e orts spent to derive algorithms which perform better and better on these
instances, the current state of the art on the problem is that instances with, say, a few
hundred rows and a few thousand columns can be solved to proven optimality

That's just... n=10~20.

...

Not bad.

But because superexponential.

@Anush Because instances with smaller b is harder than instances with larger b (except b=1) should you reverse the order?

Of course I'm not good at solving NP problems efficiently...

Zacharý

CMC: find the depth of an array without using anything that could solve the challenge in one byte

user202729

@Zacharý Jelly, 2 bytes (builtin)

(weird challenge. Good thing is Jelly builtin for depth is not 1 byte)

Zacharý

Well, can I SEE the builtin for depth

user202729

14:58

ŒḊ

Zacharý

Anyone willing to answer in Python?'

user202729

f=lambda x:instanceof(x,list)and f(x[0])+1or 0

Why do I need or 0? Is False allowed result for non-list?

...

Because input is guaranteed to be array or 0 is not needed.

There should be better way to check if something is a list.

x==list(x)?

ngn

@Zacharý a rectangular array or any array?

Zacharý

@ngn Any

user202729

No.

H.PWiz

15:02

@user202729 x*0==[]

FreezePhoenix

@ngn is it a hexagonal prism array?

Zacharý

Thanks, I just wanted a short solution for RAD's vectorization algorithm :D

user202729

@H.PWiz Not everything can be multiplied. At least work for int and float.

H.PWiz

Taken from here

ngn

@user202729 what if f(x[1])>f(x[0])?

user202729

15:03

@ngn Then it doesn't have a depth?

Zacharý

Y'know what, screw it. I'm stealing from Jelly

Should I have separate functions for the vectorization of monadic and dyadic functions?

Anush

@user202729 I am not sure.. it's not a bad idea

ngn

15:19

@FreezePhoenix I mean "rectangular" as opposed to "jagged" (with subarrays of non-uniform length and possibly non-uniform depth)

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Shortest forkbomb in your language. This may seem basic but it hasn't been asked already. How short can you golf a fork-bomb in your favorite language? Your challenge is to saturate the operating systems process table like a traditional fork-bomb. This should cause the system to slow down and e...

caird coinheringaahing

15:59

Meta Chat Mini Challenge: Create a CMC, of difficultly your choice, and choose a suitably esoteric language, You may choose how esoteric. Next, challenge TNB to complete that CMC, using the language you have chosen. Aim to choose languages which aren't as commonly used, e.g. CSL rather than Python.

Adám

@Zacharý Dyalog APL: |≡ (or ⍴≢ if rank instead of depth)

Zacharý

@Adám The CMC said to not use any builtin which could solve the challenge in one byte. So ≡ would be disallowed. The main reason I posted that was a grab at a short python solution for R.A.D., but I ended up using Dennis's (from Jelly)

Adám

@Zacharý I instantly realised why you needed it, but ≡ doesn't solve it in one byte; you need | (⎕ML←1!)

Zacharý

Whoops, forgot about APL's weird negative thing.

dylnan

@Zacharý Jelly without using a single one- or two-byte built-in: ŒJẈṀ

Might be a shorter way

Although, what should [1,[]] return? If two then that fails.

caird coinheringaahing

16:08

If I remember correctly, this CMC was an exercise in JHT, so a shorter solution may be found there

dylnan

In the JHT chat room?

Mr. Xcoder

The depth of a list is a CMC in JHT? Really?

caird coinheringaahing

I think so, I may be misremembering though

in Jelly Hypertraining, Oct 5 '17 at 15:10, by HyperNeutrino

CMC: Get the depth of a list without the depth builtin

Mr. Xcoder

4 bytes: ẎÐĿL :D

dylnan

3 bytes: ẎƬL ;)

Zacharý

16:18

._. didn't know

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, the aliases have just popped up from nowhere :/

Mr. Xcoder

@dylnan Didn't Dennis want to unalias Ƭ?

dylnan

Yes, but the behavior was only changed for dyads

Mr. Xcoder

Oh that makes sense

caird coinheringaahing

So does Ƭ behave differently from ÐĿ when the link is dyadic?

dylnan

16:20

Yeah. Between iterations of <dyad>ÐĿ the right argument is discarded and the left argument is moved to the right argument

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yes.

dylnan

<dyad>Ƭ will repeatedly act on the left argument with the same right argument.

<dyad>Ƭ is a dyad so it's right argument is would be determined by the chain.

Zacharý

16:34

This is bad code, right?: list(map(list,list(zip(alpha, omega))))

quartata

@Riker did you think I wouldn't notice this

@Zacharý yes

caird coinheringaahing

@Zacharý Don't cast the zip to a list

quartata

yeah that one can for sure be eliminated

caird coinheringaahing

list(map(list, zip(alpha, omega))) if you need readability (of the final result, not the code)

quartata

[list(x) for x in zip(alpha, omega)] is better

why do you need lists instead of tuples

Zacharý

16:37

That way RAD doesn't goof up somewhere down the road when I'm doing A[1]←2

Mr. Xcoder

CMC: Given a list of positive integers, find the index of the first odd one.

Zacharý

APL 5 bytes: ⊃⍸2|⎕

caird coinheringaahing

Jelly, 3 bytes ḂTḢ

DJMcMayhem

@Mr.Xcoder MATL, 2 bytes: of

Do I win?

Mr. Xcoder

Likely.

Anush

16:41

CMC: Given two strings, each of length n, find the minimum number of single character insertions into the two strings that makes them equal

dylnan

@cairdcoinheringaahing That doesn't work: tio

caird coinheringaahing

> find the index

Zacharý

@Anush That sounds like something for main...

dylnan

Oh, sorry

Then mine doesn't work

Anush

@Zacharý oh ok ... it's basically edit distance

Mr. Xcoder

16:43

You may assume there is one odd number, of course

Zacharý

@Anush Could also be a dupe.

Riker

@quartata yes

quartata

@Anush this is equivalent to finding the longest common subsequence

Riker

@flawr @betseg Spec Ops: College Edition

Mr. Xcoder

Javascript, 22 bytes.

Anush

16:44

@quartata That can't be right. Take 'zzz' and 'aaa'. The LCS is zero but the answer to my question is 6

Zacharý

Wait ... why on earth am I using map(...,list(...))? I can just use list comprehensions, right?

quartata

@Anush I don't mean numerically

Anush

ok

quartata

I just mean in terms of how you solve it

I've seen it called LCS distance

Anush

@quartata ah yes.. just like edit distance too

caird coinheringaahing

16:46

@quartata How did you notice that?

Mr. Xcoder

^ o_O

quartata

@cairdcoinheringaahing how do you think I wouldn't notice that

Erik the Outgolfer

the welcome message is usually a good place to hide your sinister acts :P

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing quartata reads the full TNB transcript every night before going to bed

caird coinheringaahing

Edits to chat messages don't make any notification/bump similar to main, and it's from 2011, so unless you're surveying the very old messages from time to time, I'm confused

Erik the Outgolfer

16:49

is it really uncommon to just take a peek at what chat's first page looks like?

Zacharý

^

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem Legend tells of a Pokemon trainer who hasn't slept a day in their life, and is still just staring at a computer screen :P

Riker

he's literally barry, might as well be barry allen

Zacharý

@Riker ?

Riker

his avatar is barry, he apparently reads fast, what else is there?

quartata

16:52

@Riker I can arrest people for saying tomato sauce instead of tomato gravy now

flawr

@Riker Nice, too bad he didn't get to read the blacked out parts:)

Riker

ikr

quartata

that's pretty significant IMO

flawr

@quartata you mean ketchup?

Riker

wait, does that mean tomato poutine == cheese fries with ketcup?

quartata

16:53

@Riker sorry I had that the wrong way around

thanks for proving your guilt

prepare to die

Riker

you killed my gravy
prepare to die

quartata

@flawr the stuff that goes on pasta

flawr

@quartata you mean mayo?? that doesn't have much ketchup in it

Riker

wait, have you not heard of tomato sauce

are you serious?

quartata

@flawr I need to submit a separate application for handling you people

Riker

16:55

you better not be, else I have to buy some pasta sauce and some swiss plane tickets

flawr

@Riker oh please come visit!

:)

So yes, I'm dead serious :P

Riker

heh

I do'nt have that kind of money tho

maybe if I go to college in the eu idk

DJMcMayhem

@flawr Marinara?

caird coinheringaahing

What actually is marinara? I've heard it referred to on US TV, but never seen it used to describe something

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing The kind of sauce you would have with Spaghetti

caird coinheringaahing

17:05

So just tomato sauce? That's a letdown :/

Erik the Outgolfer

@cairdcoinheringaahing the balance between keeping your pasta plain and making it taste like heaven

quartata

13 mins ago, by quartata

@Riker I can arrest people for saying tomato sauce instead of tomato gravy now

Erik the Outgolfer

no, not tomato sauce

quartata

please choose your words carefully

Erik the Outgolfer

we're not all that old here :P

caird coinheringaahing

17:06

Tomato gravy? Never heard that one before

DJMcMayhem

Well, it's not just tomato ~~sauce~~ gravy. Tomato ~~sauce~~ gravy sounds like plain tomatoes to me, but marinara can have garlic and oregano and ground beef. mmmm

quartata

if it has meat in it it's a ragu

Tomato gravy almost always has garlic

Erik the Outgolfer

oh my, those unlucky people

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem Aside from the beef, that sounds like tomato sauce

Jan 3 '16 at 22:07, by flawr

You know, when you make a pizza the most important thing is pineapple! You can forget the cheese, the dough, the tomato sauce, you can forget everything else, but you cannot leave out pineapple. Pineapple is the essence of pizza.

^ That

Erik the Outgolfer

that was yet another time Dennis got the stars...

caird coinheringaahing

17:08

Ugh, caret reply is annoying

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing I mean... Pretty much yeah

Erik the Outgolfer

that's why I don't use caret reply

caird coinheringaahing

@quartata Is this tomato gravy?

quartata

@cairdcoinheringaahing no

Scrooble

Pineapples on pizza. Ew...

quartata

17:11

it is what you call "tomato sauce". that's just the wrongthink way of saying it

DJMcMayhem

@Scrooble What about pizzas on a pineapple?

caird coinheringaahing

Cooking With TNB is always fun, mainly cause I have totally different names to what you guys are talking about (tomato gravy for example)

Scrooble

@DJMcMayhem As long as they're separable.

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing I am 98% sure that Q is messing with you when he says "tomato gravy"

caird coinheringaahing

I mean, biscuits and gravy was mentioned once, and threw me completely, so I never know

Erik the Outgolfer

17:15

once?

DJMcMayhem

Oh my gosh, biscuits and gravy are no joke basically my favorite food of all time.

If they're done right

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem You may hate me then :P

Scrooble

Tomato sauce

Tomato sauce (also known as Neapolitan sauce, and Salsa di pomodoro in Italian) refers to a large number of sauces made primarily from tomatoes, usually to be served as part of a dish (rather than as a condiment). Tomato sauces are common for meat and vegetables, but they are perhaps best known as sauces for pasta dishes. Tomatoes have a rich flavor, high liquid content, very soft flesh which breaks down easily, and the right composition to thicken into a sauce when they are cooked (without the need of thickeners such as roux). All of these qualities make them ideal for simple and appealing sauces...

There's a section on tomato gravy.

quartata

@DJMcMayhem I'm really not

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing You're not entirely wrong :P

But it tastes incredible.

And then hashbrowns and coffee to complete the perfect trifecta

quartata

17:17

@Scrooble the important part is "...term as used by Italian Americans when referring to a type of tomato sauce particularly where tomatoes were a staple food"

DJMcMayhem

Dang it, now I'm making myself hungry

quartata

the rest of that stuff is some random Southern garbage no one cares about

Erik the Outgolfer

proof that, in TNB, everyone has a strong opinion regarding what they eat

Scrooble

It's jambalaya sauce!

I see.

I love jambalaya

It's also fun to type

DJMcMayhem

And say

caird coinheringaahing

17:19

@DJMcMayhem Are hash browns those bread looking potato biscuits (to you)?

Erik the Outgolfer

hm, I have bad news for you...

caird coinheringaahing

I tried getting a google image link, but something went wrong :/

Ah: these?

Erik the Outgolfer

hint: hash browns contain potato

quartata

@cairdcoinheringaahing not really

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing Ehh, kind of. That's what I'd expect from McDonalds

@cairdcoinheringaahing Usually this, but sometimes this and occasionally even this

caird coinheringaahing

17:21

So what would you call hash browns?

quartata

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem McDonalds, yuck

Scrooble

0.o

caird coinheringaahing

@EriktheOutgolfer Finally, someone else who hates McDonalds!

Scrooble

Ninja'd

DJMcMayhem

17:22

@EriktheOutgolfer Agreed

Although their pseudo-hashbrowns aren't bad

Scrooble

@DJMcMayhem Hash browns, hash patty, home fries.

Erik the Outgolfer

my parents claim that, only one did I try a mac, and that was when I was a little boy (just a bit over toddler), and I immediately spat it out

caird coinheringaahing

I know DJ's from the US, but is anyone else here? I think Quartata is, but not sure

@DJMcMayhem The last one is what I call hash browns

quartata

@cairdcoinheringaahing Those are home fries

Scrooble

@cairdcoinheringaahing Q and I are.

DJMcMayhem

17:24

@cairdcoinheringaahing That's actively talking? I don't think so

caird coinheringaahing

Have any of you guys ever had British food (stereotypical British food)?

DJMcMayhem

What would you call stereotypical British food?

Fish and Chips?

Erik the Outgolfer

yuck

flawr

@Riker better come to CH instead of EU

caird coinheringaahing

Fish and Chips, Crumpets and Tea, etc.

flawr

17:26

So chips = french fries?

DJMcMayhem

Define "crumpet"

@flawr Yes, unless you're in the US and then chips = crisps

caird coinheringaahing

@flawr Not really, chips are more chunkier: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_and_chips#/media/…

quartata

@DJMcMayhem yorkshire pudding

Erik the Outgolfer

chips ≠ potato chips, though

quartata

@cairdcoinheringaahing yes

flawr

17:27

@cairdcoinheringaahing looks like french fries to me:)

DJMcMayhem

Yeah, I would definitely call those french fries too

flawr

@DJMcMayhem chips AE = crisps BE?

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem Full english breakfast, and Marmite are two classics :P

DJMcMayhem

@flawr AFAIK

caird coinheringaahing

Scrooble

17:28

I tried Marmite once.

Never again.

Erik the Outgolfer

there's an important difference between french fries and air in a small yellow stick

flawr

@cairdcoinheringaahing you cannot directly use the links from wp, you have to click em and then copy their urls

caird coinheringaahing

@flawr I'd say french fries are more like the chips you get at mcdonalds

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing Ah, I call that an English muffin.

I really like those

caird coinheringaahing

@flawr ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Click the image and it takes you to it :P

DJMcMayhem

17:29

Not really a fan of tea though. Some sweet tea is good, the rest is meh IMO

quartata

@DJMcMayhem English muffins are a little thinner than crumpets

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing Marmite looks nasty from google images

No idea what it tastes like

flawr

@cairdcoinheringaahing don't you dare calling the stuff you get at macdonalds food

Scrooble

@DJMcMayhem Tar.

Erik the Outgolfer

if something looks like mechanical oil, better not try it

caird coinheringaahing

17:30

@DJMcMayhem There isn't really a way to describe it

ngn

@DJMcMayhem very salty

flawr

@EriktheOutgolfer maple syrup?

caird coinheringaahing

As a general rule, if you didn't grow up eating marmite, you won't like it when you're 20

@flawr Nah, oil is much darker

DJMcMayhem

But if you're [0-19, 21-100] then you're good :P

Erik the Outgolfer

*[0,19]∪[21,100]

DJMcMayhem

17:32

@cairdcoinheringaahing What is the drinking age across the pond?

caird coinheringaahing

18, I think

FrownyFrog

Now I imagine marmite tasting like crude oil

caird coinheringaahing

Doesn't stop most people though

H.PWiz

18 is only for buying drink

caird coinheringaahing

Isn't it 21 in the US?

Scrooble

17:33

Yep

DJMcMayhem

Well I imagine it doesn't stop you from drinking it, just purchasing it

ngn

@cairdcoinheringaahing I first tasted marmite at 34, I love it, actually now I have a jar of marmite right here on my desk :)

Zacharý

Anyone know how to do a forward reference in Python files?

H.PWiz

Yeah, and drinking it is perfectly leagal in most cases

DJMcMayhem

@Zacharý What do you mean? Python doesn't really have forward reference the way C++ would...

Just make sure the name exists at runtime

Zacharý

17:34

I kinda have my files referencing each other in a circle.

caird coinheringaahing

Most convenience stores around here will sell you beer/cider at around 15

flawr

@cairdcoinheringaahing not necessarily. depends which one probably:)

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing Really? They don't card you?

flawr

@Zacharý this is not about food, please stay on topic.

7

Zacharý

._.

Erik the Outgolfer

17:35

heh

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem The local shops generally know you, and have for about 3-5 years, and will refuse to sell vodka/spirits to minors, but not really, no

DJMcMayhem

I've gotten the impression that the US is waaaay more strict on underage drinking then other countries. Every other country I've been too seems to not really care, but in the US if a restaraunt/bar/liquor store/whatever sold to someone underage they would get shut down

Erik the Outgolfer

like, even if just once by accident?

not even a fine?

Zacharý

Should've just switched it to APLJKs, that way it would've been on-topic /s

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem Booze and sex seem to be way stricter in the US than everywhere else

DJMcMayhem

17:36

@EriktheOutgolfer If it's "by accident" it means you didn't card someone. Which is a big no-no

@cairdcoinheringaahing It even used to be illegal

(Booze, not sex. That would be rather difficult to outlaw)

caird coinheringaahing

~~Which one? :D~~ Ninja'd

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem say that you're operating for 30 years, and, suddenly, an employee forgets to card one customer, does that mean immediate shut down?

DJMcMayhem

lol

@EriktheOutgolfer I guess it depends, but that was a little bit of an exxageration. But if the right (or wrong) people find out I think you can lose your liquor license.

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem Which is odd, given that AFAIK some US states legalise weed, but half the rest of the world doesn't

DJMcMayhem

Maybe not for one instance

Erik the Outgolfer

17:40

there should really be a separate liquor stand, where you pay independently, and you always get carded

Zacharý

Yeah, USA's weird.

2

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yeah, but even that was somewhat controversial. I think the majority of people I know would rather it still be illegal (I'm in Colorado which along with Washington was the first to legalize it)

Now there's what, 4-5 states where it's legal?

Erik the Outgolfer

@cairdcoinheringaahing guess how many protests happen...

DJMcMayhem

And the weird thing is that it's still a federal crime technically

Erik the Outgolfer

ok that's too much

can't states handle it themselves...

Pavel

17:48

@EriktheOutgolfer That question is like the fundamental basis of every political issue since the creation of the United States

caird coinheringaahing

I think gun control may be more fundamental

Dennis

@cairdcoinheringaahing The USA got it right though. Alcohol is way more dangerous than weed, both short term and long term.

caird coinheringaahing

(Just an outsider's point of view)

Pavel

@cairdcoinheringaahing That's still states' rights. Who gets to regulate gun control and to what extent.

DJMcMayhem

@Dennis Not to mention Tobacco/Nicotine...

Erik the Outgolfer

17:51

tobacco smell is horrible anyway, although I guess that changes completely when you get trained to be addicted

Pavel

I sometimes think all of them should be banned but then I remember that we tried and it didn't work at all.

Dennis

@DJMcMayhem Tobacco is a lot worse long term, yes.

DJMcMayhem

(for a minute I forgot that cigarettes are nicotine, not tobacco)

caird coinheringaahing

I think prohibition would work, it was just poorly implemented (not saying I could do better, but that someone could)]

Erik the Outgolfer

(AFAIK nicotine is what addicts you, tobacco is what you "smoke")

Pavel

17:53

@DJMcMayhem Well, nicotine kinda is tobacco

Nicotine is part of tobacco, rather

FrownyFrog

cigarettes have tobacco leaves that were washed from nicotine and sprayed with it again

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem Of course, hand rolled cigarettes are much worse :/

FrownyFrog

so technically just tobacco leaves

DJMcMayhem

Ah, OK. So it's like weed/cannabis

Pavel

More like weed/THC

Erik the Outgolfer

17:54

cannabis/coca/etc. plants, if used the right way, aren't really dangerous

DJMcMayhem

@Pavel I thought cannabis was another name for THC

Pavel

Weed is just a name for cannabis, which is the plant

@DJMcMayhem Nope, it's a genus of plant

FrownyFrog

"this is Northern lights cannabis indica"

DJMcMayhem

In my psychology class last semester, we took a day to talk about drugs. I learned that nicotine withdrawals can last for up to 6 months. That's insane

Pavel

Cannabis

Cannabis () is a genus of flowering plants in the family Cannabaceae. The number of species within the genus is disputed. Three species may be recognized: Cannabis sativa, Cannabis indica, and Cannabis ruderalis; C. ruderalis may be included within C. sativa; or all three may be treated as subspecies of a single species, C. sativa. The genus is indigenous to central Asia and the Indian subcontinent. Cannabis has long been used for hemp fibre, for hemp oils, for medicinal purposes, and as a recreational drug. Industrial hemp products are made from cannabis plants selected to produce an abundance...

FrownyFrog

17:57

they reach their peak at two weeks

for two weeks, it only gets worse

Pavel

It's weird how there's so many names for weed

Nothing else really has that

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