The Nineteenth Byte

ASCII-only

03:00

@HyperNeutrino >_> don't expect 0.0.0.0 to work, it doesn't even mean any one IP

HyperNeutrino

lol ok

hyper_neutrino@localhost ~/Desktop> traceroute 216.58.126.4 -p 5000
traceroute to 216.58.126.4 (216.58.126.4), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  216-58-126-4.cpe.distributel.net (216.58.126.4)  2.122 ms  2.043 ms  2.099 ms

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino hmmm funny you would be posting that link so much you get kicked

HyperNeutrino

@DestructibleLemon wait "you" as in "me" directly? not sure what you mean..?

Destructible Lemon

ironic

@HyperNeutrino no, you as in one

Anonymous

Let's move on...

HyperNeutrino

03:01

I was going to reply, but I agree with Mego. Won't reply to that.

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino seems to be working for me?

Anonymous

@HyperNeutrino Well that was uninformative :P It's a silly question, but did you hit "save" on the router config?

HyperNeutrino

@ASCII-only wait what do you mean, you can access my site but I can't? :o

@Mego uh yes I did :P

Destructible Lemon

i thought it was amusing one would be unable to tell the time to stop posting a video announcing it is time to stop

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino also why not use anagol

Destructible Lemon

03:02

but i don't think there's anything more to comment than that

Anonymous

@HyperNeutrino curl 216.58.126.4:5000 works from my end

HyperNeutrino

@DestructibleLemon We should move on from this topic.

Destructible Lemon

ok

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino http://216.58.126.4:5000/ right?

HyperNeutrino

yes

it works from my computer but not my chromebook

ASCII-only

03:02

hmm what

Zacharý

Crap. I made an infinite loop. God dang it

Anonymous

Sounds like a Chromebook issue :P

Destructible Lemon

@Zacharý in what

HyperNeutrino

yeah, it does seem like it :P

Zacharý

@DestructibleLemon A modgrammar grammar for just general math notation (as a test).

DJMcMayhem

03:05

@Mego Oh cool!

ASCII-only

@Zacharý gist pls

Zacharý

gist.github.com/anonymous/17377f26ffe518a3cc6af604833bf36e

ASCII-only

might be an empty expression?

Zacharý

03:21

I'll check that eventually, I'm too tired to think straight,

Destructible Lemon

03:59

cmc: shortest string not pwned on haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords

I just found a length 2 string

actually now that i think about it...

is it in bytes or characters, because you could use unicode...

I also found a 1 character 2 byte one...

maybe shortest alphanumeric string? shortest alphabetic string?

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon alphabetical

unicode is too easy

Destructible Lemon

i mean

i found /~ not pwned

so it's not just unicode

ASCII-only

found one with letter + symbol

Destructible Lemon

alright, so alphanumeric, then alphabetic

do we have caps?

ASCII-only

yeah

Destructible Lemon

04:03

ok so, categories: alphanumeric with caps, alphabetic with caps, no caps alphanumeric, no caps alphabetic

find the shortest one for each category?

QhD not pwned

3Q3 not pwned

apparently a single space is not pwned...

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon because space is normally not allowed?

Destructible Lemon

i guess...

ASCII-only

qE: 0, qkzf: 0, K5: 13

Destructible Lemon

nice

ETHproductions

| has only been seen 20 times apparently, that's pretty low

Destructible Lemon

04:08

lowest number not used?

ETHproductions

As opposed to - -> 13885

> ';drop table users;--

> Your request has been forbidden

looks like it does that to anything matching /drop .*;--/i

ASCII-only

@ETHproductions lol

user202729

04:45

Python CMC: this. code-golf of course.

ASCII-only

@user202729 43 bytes

user202729

(assumes there is no unexpected =)

ASCII-only

@user202729 ?

user202729

37 bytes

ASCII-only

@user202729 :( ninja'd

@user202729 also stolen from a linked question

user202729

04:56

Came up with independently.

... fast notification is too fast for me.

What about other languages?

ASCII-only

What input format?

List of strings?

user202729

For all languages such that it makes sense.

Mixed Jelly, 44 bytes...

42

17 but somewhat cheating

24 without escaping

24 with escaping

ASCII-only

05:14

Charcoal, 14 bytes

Hmm when I think about it I really should add dict

Downgoat

:| Charcaol has mathematica but not dict?

quartata

lol

ASCII-only

@Downgoat it has dict but not a 1-char abbreviation

@Downgoat it also has dictionaries as a core language feature

HyperNeutrino

@user202729 40

ASCII-only

oh yeah i should also make more things vectorize. e.g. split

luser droog

05:52

Howdy golfers! I wonder if it might be fun to have a challenge involving the old Hershey fonts? Anyone in here ever looked at those?

They're in a weird old FORTRAN card letter-encoded coordinate system designed to drive a plotter. Tons of vector graphics characters.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Sandbox Notes Is this inflammatory, mean, and liable to draw unwanted and unnecessary attention to low-voted questions in the Network? Better tags? I should probably write a snippet to find all angry Metas. Angry Meta internet stack-exchange-api code-golf decision-problem A ...

luser droog

But I can't quite come up with a good challenge to use them. Render some text to a window? Convert to a modern font format?

I have a bunch of old dead sandbox posts. I want to have a little more developed before sinking another one there. lol

Well, I'll be logged in a while if anyone has any thoughts or questions. IIRC there's even russian characters in there, and some old typographical glyphs that aren't in modern use. It was developed by the Navy I think, and then published by the bureau of standards.

Sadly, it may not make a good challenge. Like my Clacker Animation old-style card formats are really fiddly and the text processing takes a ton of work.

Pavel

06:28

@WheatWizard Re Shell Glob Golfing: If you still have questions about input you can take a look at the existing answers to see how they do it. I'll be asleep and not answering anything for a while.

user202729

Mathematica "dict" is named Association. Or maybe Dispatch.

Pavel

@user202729 Or Association List.

Or Rules

The one that behaves the most dict-like is Association

You can index into with [[]] and stuff

user202729

I think Association use []?

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A: The Programming Language Quiz, Mark II - Cops

???, 506 bytes Base64: 4p2iI3sqJkp6SCpSc2FwTippXiFmIVlT4pyG4p2z4p6LaCrinrMhJkDinaFWU1Xi nINk4p6fJOKem2jinoo+4p6P4p224p6H4p2uKuKctl5e4p2gXmYo4pyM4pySQEAk 4p6YS0khJeKcseKdp+KcsCrinIVeV+Kdgihe4p2jKOKerWRGc+KcnkFAS+Kcrngp VOKcnOKcgUVRJAoKdmFyaT0iIjEwMApwcmludCgKaWYgPiAwCSAKICh7e0VOUDA7 CiAiKSEiCiBn...

Anyone want to crack ^?

Mr. Xcoder

Wow, the topmost line is a mess.

user202729

(edit of my last deleted answer, for which I posted a message in TNB too without any intended crack)

Pavel

06:38

@user202729 [] is always function call

user202729

@Pavel I told you.

Mr. Xcoder

Wow Is <|...|> some kind of dictionary in Mathematica?

Oh, it's an association....

Pavel

@user202729 New theory: Associations are stupid: tio.run/##y00syUjNTSzJTE78/z@gKDOvJJrLpkZBKSmxSElB107BSEdBKS0/…

Mr. Xcoder

@Adám Python 3, 26 bytes lambda k:[(k/2)**.5]*2+[2]

Jelly, 6 bytes æl/÷g/ for the other CMC

Adám

07:01

9 hours ago, by caird coinheringaahing

@Adám Jelly, 6 bytes: æl/÷g/

Mr. Xcoder

I used the CMC widget so I didn't see caird's message

DLosc

@DJMcMayhem I put down 1, because the only language I can have a real conversation in is English. I know enough German to have small conversations with my German-born landlady, but nothing very complicated. We invariably end up back in English. Ich will aber mehr lernen.

Adám

07:17

@Mr.Xcoder What is the CMC widget?

Mr. Xcoder

@Adám A(n?) userscript created by ATaco that lets you see the recent CMCs posted in The Nineteenth Byte.

Adám

@Mr.Xcoder Installed. Thanks.

Mr. Xcoder

Np

DLosc

07:52

@Mods Please unfreeze the Brachylog chat room.

Brachylog begins its reign as Language of the Month in 2 days!

ASCII-only

@DLosc wait wat

what is this "Language of the Month" you are talking about

DLosc

See here

ASCII-only

hang on.

There are languages that more than 10 people use? O_o

Fatalize

@DLosc You're all lucky I got a bit more free time this month to answer all the inevitable questions

DLosc

@ASCII-only Well, Python, for one. ;) But also Jelly, Pyth, CJam are/were all quite popular, I believe.

@Fatalize I'm looking forward to it. I like Prolog, but never got into Brachylog (mainly because of the non-ASCII character set). This event will give me a nice nudge in the right direction.

Fatalize

08:07

@DLosc It won't be very hard to learn if you already know Prolog

DLosc

@Fatalize A note about logistics: I think, once March 1st arrives, I will (or someone else can) make a new meta post entitled Language of the Month, March 2018: Brachylog and copy over the helpful parts of the nomination post (especially the links). Then the nomination post can be edited down and deleted, like we do in the Sandbox.

Fatalize

@DLosc Sure

The last time a Brachylog answer was posted by someone other than myself was December 19th 2017

ASCII-only

08:34

@Fatalize O_o

Fatalize

Not a very popular language :p

Adám

@DLosc Exact opposite of me. I was always scared off by Prolog's needed boilerplate and strange keywords. Brachylog made it all accessible.

Fatalize

@Adám Prolog has very few language constructs though?

@Adám So did you ever use Brachylog?

Stewie Griffin

@Fatalize I fell on the ice and hit my head... Got a concussion that apparently is way worse than first anticipated... :/

Fatalize

@StewieGriffin Well that sucks :/ concussions can be real bad indeed, hope you'll recover well

Stewie Griffin

08:48

Went to a specialist on Friday... Her prediction is that I can work 10% in a few months, but won't work 100% this year at all...

Adám

@Fatalize Not competitively. Only to play around with after seeing the intro video.

@StewieGriffin Oh no. Feel better soon. There's code that needs golfing.

Stewie Griffin

And challenges that must be written!

Adám

@StewieGriffin Yes, otherwise there's nothing to golf.

@StewieGriffin Ice rink or street?

Fatalize

I haven't written a challenge since June 2017… I've had no inspiration whatsoever :/

Stewie Griffin

@Adám Ice patch... Hit my head right at the paving stones.

Well, got to go...

Adám

08:53

@StewieGriffin Ouch. When I lived in upstate New York, I screwed hex-head screws into my Swedish soldiers' (ski) boots for good grip on icy days.

Stewie Griffin

Time to go rest in the dark so that I'm ready when the family gets home...

Adám

@StewieGriffin Wait, what? You're leaving TNB‽ Must be the concussion…

Mr. Xcoder

@StewieGriffin Ouch... Speedy recovery!

ASCII-only

rip me

need to use python how it should never be used for so many things

Mr. Xcoder

Just go ahead and port to PowerShell :P

ASCII-only

09:09

@Mr.Xcoder *Dart. or jQuery.

Luis Mendo

09:28

@StewieGriffin Sorry about that!

Now you have an excuse to have to write short code :-P

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Q: linkedlist error

#include<stdio.h> include include struct node { int data; struct node *next,*prev; }; struct node *head,*temp,temp1; void main(){ int c=1; clrscr(); while(c) { temp=(struct node)malloc(sizeof(struct node)); printf("enter the data for the node\n"); scanf("%d",&temp->data); if(head==NUL...

c data-structures

Mr. Xcoder

@NewMainPosts VTC without reading

Mr. Xcoder

10:08

CMP: Should I make a mother meta feature-request, asking them to enable MathJax back on PPCG? I am afraid that it might get closed because it's about a specific site, and if I re-ask on our meta, they're probably going to ignore it.

I think I'll actually post on our meta again and see what happens.

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mr.Xcoder they'll definitely close it because of that

Mr. Xcoder

Ok then I'm going to re-ask on our meta

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Q: Can we have MathJax back (part II)?

More than a month ago, we've reached a consensus: We want MathJax back. The reasons why it was turned off in 2015 no longer seem to apply, and details about why MathJax is needed on this site are detailed in the linked post. After a while, I asked a Community Manager about what we shall do next, ...

feature-request latex

Fatalize

Should have made a mother meta post titled "Stop ignoring us" with this and the design too :p

Erik the Outgolfer

it's actually us who are responsible for this

Mr. Xcoder

Grace Note answered the questions about why we didn't get the design yet. It's not us, it's them

Erik the Outgolfer

10:20

there are priorities which must be fulfilled before we get the design

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Q: Can we have MathJax back (part II)?

More than a month ago, we've reached a consensus: We want MathJax back. The reasons why it was turned off in 2015 no longer seem to apply, and details about why MathJax is needed on this site are detailed in the linked post. After a while, I asked a Community Manager about what we shall do next, ...

feature-request latex

Mr. Xcoder

@NewMetaPosts Lightning fast today

See this if you are interested about why we didn't get a design yet.

Fatalize

That answers why they're not starting a design right now, but now why they hadn't started 1.5 years ago

@EriktheOutgolfer Like what?

Adám

11:11

CMQ: In Dyalog APL has variables, functions, and higher-order functions. When doing OOP, we call variables "fields" and functions "methods". What should we call OO higher-order functions?

Mr. Xcoder

s/In//

Erik the Outgolfer

11:22

@Adám higher-order functions are still functions...

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer Duh, I forgot to mention that higher-order functions are called operators in non-OO context. My whole question is silly without that info.

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám at least in general, I don't think we ever call higher-order functions "operators"...

at least that must not be the case for languages such as Python or C#...

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer Who's "we"? The APL community certainly makes a precise distinction between operators (higher-order) and functions (first-order).

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám the "in general", I don't think that's generally true

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer Right, because there is no distinction. Any function can take anything as argument, be it a function or regular data. But APL does not allow regular functions to take functions as arguments.

Erik the Outgolfer

11:28

@Adám that's a completely different case though

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer Well, I'm asking for suggestions to extend the existing APL terminology.

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám then it's your "we" that needs clarifying ;-P

> When doing OOP, we call variables "fields" and functions "methods".

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer Yes, my question was all sorts of messed-up. Where's the CMQ sandbox?

ngn

APL and OOP don't mix well

Adám

CMQ: When APLers speak of higher-order functions, they call them operators. When APLers speak of variables and functions in an OOP context, they call them fields and methods. What should APLers call their operators (higher-order functions) in OOP contexts?

@ngn VTC as primarily opinion-based ;-)

Erik the Outgolfer

11:35

@ngn I think OOP APL is an entirely different culture :P

Adám

ngn and OOP don't mix well.

ngn

11:45

@Adám "variables and functions" - I always had a bit of a problem with that APL terminology too

Adám

@ngn I suspect you prefer "nouns" and "verbs"?

ngn

@Adám no, it's not that

Adám

@ngn Then what?

ngn

@Adám I (and I suspect most of the world) call a "variable" what APLers call a "name".

@Adám in JS one can write "var a=function(){...}"

Adám

@ngn Ah, I see. "symbol" is what we call them at Dyalog. E.g. ← takes one or more symbols as left argument.

ngn

11:48

@Adám if you ask an APLer: what is "a"? they will say a function; if you ask anyone else: it's a variable whose value happens to be a function

Adám

@ngn Right. Yeah, there's not really a good distinction between names and their "content" in traditional APL. I've lately argued that no "content" should know its name.

ngn

@Adám no, everyone at Dyalog calls them "names"; by "symbols" they understand something entirely different - ask Geoff

H.PWiz

I don't tend to refer to functions as variables myself. Although, I do use Haskell

Fatalize

@Adám metamethods

Adám

@ngn If I was to rewrite APL, neither functions, nor objects would contain their name.

@Fatalize Thank you for answering the question rather than questioning the premise. Here have a cookie: 🍪︎

Fatalize

11:52

Can I have a second cookie because my proposition has nice m-t alliterations?

(also TIL there is a cookie emoji…)

Adám

@Fatalize t vs th, uhh…

@Fatalize Do you see a difference between 🍪︎ and 🍪?

Fatalize

@Adám yes

black and white VS colored

@Adám Both are voiceless dentals, so kinda :P

ngn

@H.PWiz Haskell treats functions as first-class values (APL doesn't even do that), my argument should definitely apply there

H.PWiz

Maybe, but I was just objecting to "anyone else"

ngn

@H.PWiz would you call "let f = \x ..." a variable and "f x = ..." a function?

@H.PWiz it's actually hard to reason about "variables" in haskell, as they don't vary

ASCII-only

12:03

All tests finally passing (yay), time to break more things >_>

H.PWiz

@ngn exactly, sometimes I would refer to something like x=2 as a variable though. But more often than not, I call it a number

ngn

@H.PWiz you're thinking of the value, not "x" itself

ASCII-only

@ngn call them unknowns :P or objects or data values

H.PWiz

@ngn Like in mathematics, I would say x is a number

ASCII-only

@H.PWiz I'd call x a pronumeral, or variable

Usually variable though since in high school a lot of the algebra you do is to do with equations without specified values, and it's shorter to say

ngn

12:15

@Adám to answer the cmq, I think whatever existing term you choose to call them, you'd have to explain it, so why not make up an informal portmanteau like "operethods" which makes it easy to recognise instantly what you're talking about (assuming familiarity with APL and OOP)

Adám

@ngn Maybe we don't even need a different term. So what that they're all called methods? Compare to A←{⍺ ⍺ ⍵} vs B←{⍺⍺ ⍺⍺ ⍵}.

ngn

@Adám following the same logic: maybe you should call operators functions

Adám

@ngn Yes and no. Method describes their role in the OO context where it maybe doens't really matter what syntactic class they have. The distinction between functions and operators is important in (today's) APL, to know how to put things together to a well-formed statement.

On the other hand, method implies the ability to do something with the object. Operators don't do anything by themselves (at least if used in the usual way), they just apply methods/functions in modified ways.

That being said, you could potentially remove all functions from APL and replace them with operators, and you would still be able to do everything, though monadic function application would need placeholder left operands.

ngn

@Adám technically true

Adám

@ngn Would that make APL left-associative?

ngn

12:22

@Adám do you consider it right-associative now?

Fatalize

@Adám Functors?

Adám

@ngn Yes, although I realise it is mixed.

ngn

@Adám in that case, I guess, yes, that would be a left-associative apl :)

@Fatalize is that a suggested term for the operator-methods?

Fatalize

higher order methods yeah

ngn

@Fatalize it would make us (apl people) look silly when we meet someone familiar with category theory :)

H.PWiz

12:27

I suggest that APL having its own meanings for functors and for monads would be a bad combination

ngn

@H.PWiz good point about monads, we already look silly :) though apl was first to use that term

Adám

APL was first about a lot of things in programming, but for some reason the terms that Iverson called various concepts didn't catch on. AFAICT, APL was the first programming language to have functions be arguments. First to generalise infix functions/operators (using the terms monadic and dyadic - and niladic for that sake).

ngn

@Adám but but... functions can't be arguments in apl! I consider that one of its major drawbacks

Adám

@ngn They can, but only to operators. Is that a limitation? Yes. Is it arbitrary? Maybe, but it does provide nicer syntax.

ngn

@Adám operators are applied late - when the derived function is applied

Adám

12:34

@ngn True. But so what?

ngn

@Adám that's very different from, say python, where you can immediately do something with the argument-function

@Adám my fav example is memoisation - you can't do it in apl

Adám

@ngn Yes. Although you can get that effect by supplying a dummy argument. E.g. you can count the number of lines in the function foo with foo{f←⍺⍺ ⋄≢⎕NR 'f'}⍬.

@ngn No?

ngn

@Adám I'll need an hour to digest that :)

@Adám actually no, the answer lies on the first line - the cache is passed from the outside, not created at the moment when you apply the operator

Adám

@ngn But could't you easily make an operator which takes a function and gives it a cache if it doesn't have one?

ngn

@Adám that's exactly what's in the link you sent

@Adám the point, however, is to create the cache the moment when you do g←f memo

Adám

12:44

@ngn Why?

ngn

@Adám without passing it from the outside

@Adám because you wanted an example for passing a function as an argument :) if you change the definition of memoise so that the critical work is done outside of it, then obviously the example becomes useless

Adám

@ngn Speaking of which. Roger has proposed adding a memo operator.

ngn

@Adám yeah, it was proposed years ago, I was initially against it because I considered memoise too high-level and just a patch for a more fundamental underlying problem (lack of first-class functions in apl), but now that Dyalog has ⌸ and ⌺ and ⎕json ... probably doesn't matter much

@Adám squiggle non-proliferation has gone out of control

Adám

@ngn Also an interesting read.

ngn

@Adám ah, I remember that, the partition function, Roger implemented it in a very impressive way

@Adám will read later, gtg

Adám

12:59

@ngn I disagree. I personally would like just two more squiggles.

ngn

@Adám you belong to the J camp then :)

@Adám have you watched Guy Steele's "Growing a Language"?

Adám

@ngn What? I don't know if I would have added trains (or if yes, in their current form), but now that we have them, there are some glaringly missing operators. And the equivalent of ⍤ but for depth is awkwardly missing too.

@ngn Yes.

@ngn Is K a growing language?

ngn

@Adám J = big vocabulary; k = small

Adám

@ngn Yup. I'm somewhere in the middle in that regard. I do believe we need an easy way to import libraries though.

J. Sallé

LoL I got confused because for a moment I thought this room was The APL Orchard hahahahah

G'morning everyone o/

Unihedron

13:16

I have an idea for an optimization puzzle, but I'm not sure how to set the scoring. How are tiebreakers usually set?

H.PWiz

Byte count? Although I don't see a problem with ties

J. Sallé

I believe time is usually the most impactful factor in optimization puzzles

But then again, to score time is kinda hard and would force everyone to use a language available in TIO (or some other site) that would allow you to consistently time the codes

@Unihedron ^

Erik the Outgolfer

@J.Sallé TIO doesn't time consistently...

Adám

We need a Time It Online.

J. Sallé

@EriktheOutgolfer well, what I meant is that (I think?) every interpreter runs on the same machine, so you can time it a few times and take a mean

Magic Octopus Urn

13:23

@tfbninja it's my last name plus computing lol.

Adám

Wonder if one could score by time×bytes (lowest score wins). May need some constant or exponents.

J. Sallé

@Adám yeah that was what I thought as well. Although, as I said, we'd need some way to time the codes consistently (or at least on the same environment for every code submitted)

Adám

@J.Sallé Yeah. We do need to work that out somehow. I'm planning for a fastest-code challenge this summer.

user202729

Most of the time all of the submissions must be tested locally.

Unihedron

It also means your performance depends on the implementation quality of the interpreter, which means either the Befunge answer specifies which interpreter, or I have to test for most of them

Adám

13:29

@user202729 By whom?

H.PWiz

@J.Sallé I believe too has several servers for different locations. The performance may differ

user202729

... the OP.

Adám

@user202729 How would one compare across OSs?

J. Sallé

@H.PWiz oh booger.

Yeah, the other solution I can think of is for whoever proposed the challenge to time each code themselves, but that'd be a lot of work if the challenge gets popular.

user202729

@DJMcMayhem I read that and was confused by that.

AdmBorkBork

13:34

Or you set restrictions on what languages can compete.

Adám

@AdmBorkBork That would get lots of downvotes.

AdmBorkBork

For code-golf, probably. Language restrictions exist on KotH without issue. They've existed in the past for Fastest-Code challenges without issue.

Adám

Maybe one could restrict to a single core, and then divide the time by some benchmark for each machine.

user202729

Yes, that would definitely get lots of downvote.

And I think it's possible to restrict to a particular OS.

20 hours ago, by Adám

@dzaima So? It's still the most active chat room on SE.

Really?

Information: There are 4 uncracked answers on TPLQ2 right now.

J. Sallé

20 hours ago, by Adám

@labela--gotoa Appears so. Doesn't include SO, though.

NieDzejkob

13:41

As far as [fastest-code] goes, this is used for grading on an informatics contest

user202729

Real life contest -> language restriction -> downvote.

(I got bored of C++-or-Pascal (although some does provide more than that, they will never support Jelly (unless you copy-and-paste the whole Jelly source code and submit in Python)))

Having most users does (<- is that correct? Should I use do?) not imply most activity. Some users (seem to) never say anything.

J. Sallé

@user202729 nice sentence nesting, 9/10.

Anonymous

@user202729 Some of us just lurk until the time is right for a witty comment, and then disappear into the void again

user202729

@Mego I know.

J. Sallé

@user202729 most users do would be more correct

NieDzejkob

13:45

I mean, the rules of the contest say C or Pascal, but the grading is done on machine code level, so there is no problem with wrapping every language on TIO with this when a special timing mode is enabled

user202729

@J.Sallé Better?

Why is Bubbler hidden from the active users list?

AdmBorkBork

@user202729 Do you downvote KotH challenges because they have a language restriction?

user202729

I don't even take the time to read the challenge...

Mr. Xcoder

@user202729 Because SE chat only shows 32 users at once, then you have to click the "…" after the last user's name to see all of those that are currently in the room

J. Sallé

@user202729 yes

Adám

13:49

Does anyone know if TIO uses any specific server based on the request's physical location?

ASCII-only

@Adám It doesn't

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mego for example

Mr. Xcoder

You could ask in talk.tryitonline.net

user202729

I don't like it that there is no (without userscript of course) way to clear chat notification without answering, and I may get inbox notification if I don't clear them up in a minute, and if I post unused message here someone will probably kick me.

Mr. Xcoder

You can click on the red bubble...

Erik the Outgolfer

13:51

that

Adám

@ASCII-only Then it should be possible to compare execution speed by letting each language include its own timing, and try each language in order (and close succession to account for time of day differences), multiple times, then average.

user202729

@Mr.Xcoder with the keyboard, builtin.

NieDzejkob

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