The Nineteenth Byte

Thomas Ward

18:01

@HyperNeutrino considering i'm just using datetime and calendar, both which ship as standard in python3 libraries... :P

HyperNeutrino

ah ok :P

Riker

@ThomasWard if it's for that challenge, I don't think you need to fully import it

first 3 letters should be enough

Thomas Ward

@Riker i'm using some of the functions from the libraries, so an import is needed.

this is the 'use builtins' method lol

at least, my stab at it

HyperNeutrino

based on your description of how you're doing it I think I can outgolf it by about 60% :P I'll wait and see what you post :)

Riker

@ThomasWard yeah to clarify: builtins isn't the shortest result I don't think :p

Thomas Ward

18:05

@Riker probably not. :P

@Riker challenge you to do better.

Riker

unless there's a very neat "lambda x:datetime.days(x)" thing

@ThomasWard ok

Thomas Ward

@Riker well I posted an answer so...

94bytes

also removed said answer. Your port is great though, post it!

HyperNeutrino

ah ok :P

sure I'll post I guess

Erik the Outgolfer

@HyperNeutrino well, I believe the way floats are stored is dumb

HyperNeutrino

yes

Erik the Outgolfer

18:11

I mean, can't we just store floats as two integers?

Thomas Ward

unless you want me to steal credit, @HyperNeutrino :p

Erik the Outgolfer

where one is reversed

HyperNeutrino

@ThomasWard I mean I'm fine with you golfing yours to that but you deleted already so I posted :P

@EriktheOutgolfer yeah floats should really be just stored as numer-denom

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer so pi is stored as which two integers?

Riker

@HyperNeutrino actually only 70 bytes, you don't need the f=

Erik the Outgolfer

18:12

@LeakyNun pi isn't a float...

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer it isn't?

Thomas Ward

@HyperNeutrino well it doesn't accept all forms of possible input so it's invalid.

Riker

updated tio: tio.run/##K6gsycjPM/6fZhvzPycxNyklUaHCythQVyNdo0IzM08ptaCoNC@/…

Thomas Ward

@HyperNeutrino so blah. Upvoted yours though.

Leaky Nun

@HyperNeutrino do your floats support rational powers?

Riker

18:12

@HyperNeutrino you know it's shorter without g rihgt

Erik the Outgolfer

@LeakyNun well, at least not all digits (most of which the human race hasn't discovered yet)

HyperNeutrino

(ninja'd by totallyhuman)

@LeakyNun prolly not lol. so I'm using sympy instead

Riker

ah

HyperNeutrino

(whoa so many pings)

Riker

that was what i came up with @HyperNeutrino

HyperNeutrino

18:14

:P

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer what do you mean? so the first billion digits of pi is a float and the first quadrillion digits isn't?

Thomas Ward

@HyperNeutrino i have a 102 byte solution with builtins though, that works with all potential input (trims to first 3 chars of long form to handle long strings)

Riker

so yah, 64 bytes is minimum

HyperNeutrino

@ThomasWard ooh cool

Erik the Outgolfer

@LeakyNun what you probably mean is arbitrary precision, which can't just hold an infinite number of digits (arbitrary ≠ infinite) of course it should be theoretically able to hold decillions and such

Thomas Ward

18:14

sorry, 95

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer what I meant is that you can't just store floats as num/denom

Erik the Outgolfer

why num/denom and not just integral part and non-integral part?

HyperNeutrino

because that's harder to work with

Erik the Outgolfer

I was talking about the fact that ieee 754 is plain wrong in my opinion

for example 20.5 be stored as 10100 1

HyperNeutrino

welcome to chat @qw3n!

@EriktheOutgolfer yeah that would probably work a lot better

Thomas Ward

18:20

@HyperNeutrino got that down to 93 bytes, should I post it or does yours already beat me :p

HyperNeutrino

you can post it :P

answers don't always need to be the absolute shortest in their language as long as you tried. but idk built-in solution isn't that interesting or competitive :P

(I've posted many Jelly answers that have already been beaten, simply because I have another approach)

Erik the Outgolfer

but you should make sure it's really another approach and not just another way to describe the same approach

Thomas Ward

@HyperNeutrino no, it's not. But one of my 'beginning codegolf' attempts xD

HyperNeutrino

ah I see :P

Thomas Ward

@EriktheOutgolfer considering it doesn't use anything like @HyperNeutrino's approach, in-so-much-as it constructs a time tuple and then uses just the month of the returned time tuple... :P

but @HyperNeutrino's approach is even better, working with just the strings.

Erik the Outgolfer

18:24

btw you don't need to specify "using built-ins"

the challenge doesn't say anything special about it

Thomas Ward

@EriktheOutgolfer updated.

@HyperNeutrino you've been outgolfed in Python 3 (not by me)

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@ThomasWard yes, I will make sure to note all of the contribitors and there contributions. The good through with GitHub, is I can be completely transparent as to the extent of my contributions and other contributions. For SIL, the only other contributor on the REPO was Leaky Nun, so that works out, but if I use other projects with contributors other than myself, and if I talk about them I will make sure that I have permission to use the project and I will be sure to give proper attribution.

Erik the Outgolfer

also @ThomasWard you could've just edited your deleted answer

HyperNeutrino

yeah ovs beat me using another weird math approach that I totally don't get :P

Thomas Ward

@EriktheOutgolfer I could have, yes. But I didn't. Because for some odd reason it didn't show me my deleted answer

and i chalk that up to evil bugs in SE

Erik the Outgolfer

18:28

wait huh

Thomas Ward

yep.

HyperNeutrino

people are too good for me :c my approaches are all just trivial straightforwardness :P

Erik the Outgolfer

but you can normally see your own deleted answer even with 1 rep

Thomas Ward

the key point here is: "I TRIED"

HyperNeutrino

except jelly. sometimes I do weird things with jelly

Thomas Ward

18:29

@EriktheOutgolfer you're right. Hence why I chalk it up to an SE bug. I see it now but not when I went to repost.

Erik the Outgolfer

note that if you scroll too fast you might bypass it without knowing

HyperNeutrino

huh apparently you can delete comments on already deleted things

Erik the Outgolfer

and edit them too

HyperNeutrino

oh huh

right you just can't upvote or flag them

Erik the Outgolfer

you can flag them the error message when you upvote them is misleading

you can't post or upvote them

HyperNeutrino

18:34

ok

HyperNeutrino

18:50

well what the fuck chromebooks are stupid

Thomas Ward

19:22

this isn't new news

HyperNeutrino

lol

Riker

19:40

@HyperNeutrino what'd it do this time?

Thomas Ward

wow with the help of Jonathan Frech, and some testing on my part, I've been able to save 11 bytes on my answer heh

yay, i'm learning :P

Erik the Outgolfer

good luck

Neil

20:29

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mınxomaτ

21:34

> Great repository names are short and memorable. Need inspiration? How about fictional-octo-computing-machine.

> short

Anonymous

21:45

@mınxomaτ Short is relative. Like my relatives.

Pavel

@mınxomaτ CMC: Come up with a project idea that could reasonably be titled "Fictional Octo Computing Machine"

mınxomaτ

GitHub itself

Anonymous

@Pavel A computer with 8 hand cranks that must be simultaneously cranked for the computer to run

Pavel

I feel like something so pointless and impractical goes against the spirit of the CMC.

Anonymous

@Pavel But pointless and impractical is the spirit of code golf

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Mr. Xcoder

Is:

> primarily opinion-based

Ever used on PPCG?

dzaima

huh SEDE has no way of getting close reasons of a post

Leaky Nun

22:17

@Mr.Xcoder pop-cons

Helka Homba

23:11

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HyperNeutrino

CMP: Name suggestions for a mass weather data collection system/app/utility?

mınxomaτ

Weather App

HyperNeutrino

lol that's way too vague

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@PhiNotPi @Mego I'm working on university applications, and as part of my application I can submit projects I've been a part of. I was hoping to talk about the IDE we co-developed, and I would attribute the work you did properly. Would you be ok with me talking about this project?

caird coinheringaahing

Would anyone mind testing something in the Sandbox with me?

Pavel

23:53

@HyperNeutrino Idk but has to contain a pun on "the cloud"

HyperNeutrino

lol I'll suggest that

Pavel

@RohanJhunjhunwala what is the ide?

I am intrigued.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Pavel a while back we had tried to make an esolang IDE github.com/rjhunjhunwala/S.I.D.E it had a lot of interest for a bit, and it's in a good state right now, but it sort of fizzled out.

It's built on the principle that anyone can add any language they like.

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