The Nineteenth Byte

totallyhuman

00:16

lol i got tired of charcoal's letters not monospaced and not allowing me to eyeball the amount of spacing needed in an explanation

so i hacked a python script together but it still looks weird ;-;

Pavel

Doesn't surrounding the text in ` force it to be monospaced?

totallyhuman

no but fonts

8

A: Draw some ASCII stars

Charcoal, 20 17 bytes -3 bytes thanks to Neil. Ｎν↙ν↑↑ν↖ν ×_ν↗ν‖Ｍ Try it online! Link is to verbose version. I'm pretty happy with this golf so... Explanation Ｎν take a number as input and store in ν ↙ν print / ν times downwards to the left ↑ ...

the letters are not monospaced in whatever font i'm getting rn

caird coinheringaahing

Can someone post a look of disapproval? I'm on mobile and need to copy-paste it

DJMcMayhem

ಠ_ಠ

I typed that from my phone

totallyhuman

i literally use a text face app :P

DJMcMayhem

00:20

Because I have my phone to autocorrect "disapproval" to ಠ_ಠ

totallyhuman

nice

DJMcMayhem

I also have Lenny and shrug

(crap, I'm giving them bad ideas...)

caird coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ Game of Thrones is influencing my coding.

totallyhuman

how?

caird coinheringaahing

I'm transposing Python to JavaScript, and added in an error message that said Your code has errored, for the code is long and full of errors

totallyhuman

00:25

oh hey i found a _much_ better ascii art star
        .
       ,O,
      ,OOO,
'oooooOOOOOooooo'
  `OOOOOOOOOOO`
    `OOOOOOO`
    OOOO'OOOO
   OOO'   'OOO
  O'         'O

caird coinheringaahing

@totallyhuman You have revealed your markdown style to us. You belong to the underscore faction. I belong to the asterisk faction. You are now my sworn enemy.

:P

totallyhuman

tacoscript uses underscore for italic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

caird coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ I just noticed the "upload..." button by the chat box. I have officially failed chat.

totallyhuman

lol

caird coinheringaahing

Hey @tot when did you change your name back?

totallyhuman

00:29

a while back

Pavel

@cairdcoinheringaahing It's never useful for me because you can't upload from clipboard or url

totallyhuman

because imgur is borked

clipboard or url barely work on imgur either

Pavel

What are you talking about

Hasn't failed for me yet

totallyhuman

o0

really?

Pavel

Yes

totallyhuman

00:40

stars

it's much better with those slashes lol

Pavel

Are those squares or just weird unicode

totallyhuman

mathematical rising and falling diagonal

they're shallow slants

caird coinheringaahing

01:02

Does anyone here know Python and JS?

Zach Gates

Lots of people, I'm sure :) Myself included

caird coinheringaahing

@ZachGates do you mind if I ask for a bit of help?

Zach Gates

Sure thing

caird coinheringaahing

In Python functions can have options args like def func(*args, **kwargs). Is there a JS equivalent?

Zach Gates

I believe JS already has the *args equivalent built in. You can access the arguments variable inside a function.

caird coinheringaahing

01:08

@ZachGates ah, ok. Is arguments basically an array of the arguments given?

Zach Gates

Yeah, exactly

caird coinheringaahing

That helps me quite a lot, Thanks!

Husnain Raza

Hello caird

is scratch a valid golfing language?

Downgoat

CoreML in ARKit

►

this is so cool

totallyhuman

@HusnainRaza yes

caird coinheringaahing

01:10

@HusnainRaza hey Husnain. Yes, but it's scoring system is weird, you'd have to check meta

Zach Gates

@cairdcoinheringaahing: I don't have the time to read it all, but from the title, this post might interest you

totallyhuman

scratchblocks.gtihub.io

nope

Pavel

Does ** let you splat a dictionary into a dictionary?

totallyhuman

brb finding url

@Pavel it packs keyword arguments into a dictionary

Husnain Raza

How is it scored? Bytes?

lbocks?

caird coinheringaahing

01:11

@totallyhuman You put gtihub

Zach Gates

@Pavel: No it does not. ** turns a dictionary into keyword arguments

Pavel

Well you can use * as both *args and as an array splat

totallyhuman

scratchblocks.github.io/#when%20gf%20clicked

Pavel

So I thought maybe ** would work as a dictionary splat.

Zach Gates

f(**{'x': 4}) is equivalent to f(x=4)

totallyhuman

01:12

wait

so there's two different ways of using it lol

caird coinheringaahing

@Pavel * has so many different usages in Python it's unbelievable.

totallyhuman

when you're calling a function, f(**{'x': 4}) is equivalent to f(x=4)

caird coinheringaahing

@totallyhuman Yes, but when would you?

totallyhuman

when you're defining a function, def f(**kwargs): return kwargs

Zach Gates

* is used to unpack iterables, ** is used to unpack keyword arguments. Typically in function definitions they look like this: f(*args, **kwargs) or **kw

totallyhuman

01:13

and you call it with f(x = 4)

it'll return {'x': 4}

Zach Gates

^

Pavel

can you splat a dictionary into a dictionary?

totallyhuman

what do you mean by that

caird coinheringaahing

Also, is there a way to iterate over a list in JS without creating an index variable? i.e. for(x in y)?

Zach Gates

@Pavel: Yes, but only if all the keys are strings.

totallyhuman

01:15

{**{'x': 4}} would be equivalent to {'x': 4} is that's what you mean

Pavel

Yes, that is what I mean.

So what you're saying is I was right, ** does let you splat a dictionary into a dictionary?

Zach Gates

Sorry, I was thinking of dict(**{'x': 4}). totallyhuman is right, too, though. :)

caird coinheringaahing

3

totallyhuman

it's easy to grok if you use it :P

caird coinheringaahing

@totallyhuman 7/8 for English there. No idea what the hell grok is, but close enough :D

Pavel

01:18

@cairdcoinheringaahing grok means to comprehend intuitively.

totallyhuman

informally

it's not really a real word :P

Zach Gates

In other words, "it's intuitive if it's been explained to you" :P

totallyhuman

oh wow i'm surprised google has a definition for grok

Pavel

@totallyhuman It exists in the Oxford English Dictionary

I have no idea how it wouldn't be a real word

totallyhuman

google.com/search?q=grok

caird coinheringaahing

01:20

America really is weird. Between cheese-in-a-can and grok, I can't understand your country.

Zach Gates

> coined by Robert Heinlein, American science fiction writer, in Stranger in a Strange Land

totallyhuman

huh

did not know that

caird coinheringaahing

Anyone up for another debate about gun law? :P

Stephen

> bork: from the name of Robert Bork (1927–2012), an American judge whose nomination to the US Supreme Court (1987) was rejected following unfavorable publicity for his allegedly extreme views.

totallyhuman

books.google.com/ngrams/…

Pavel

01:21

It is totally a real word.

totallyhuman

wat

Pavel

@cairdcoinheringaahing 2EZ4RTZ isn't here, so no point

totallyhuman

also it's a pretty lame conversation to have in a code golf chatroom :P

Zach Gates

@cairdcoinheringaahing: Under which set of laws?

Pavel

The rest of us can agree that guns are bad, I think.

@ZachGates The US ones

caird coinheringaahing

01:23

NO! I'm stopping this off-topic conversation before it starts up again.

Stephen

@cairdcoinheringaahing you brought it up

totallyhuman

@cairdcoinheringaahing you're the one who started it :P

...ninja'd

Zach Gates

@Pavel: According to the US Constitution, all weapons, of any type or power, should be legal to own/operate, with the sole condition that they're not injuring anyone. :)

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, but just a joke, hence the :P. Some people can't read tone in messages sent over the Internet by people they've never met.

Stephen

@Pavel guns are too easy to create at home though :/

totallyhuman

01:25

you literally asked for it :P

anyways... wait i forgot what i was gonna say

dammit i blame the gunversation

caird coinheringaahing

@totallyhuman ಠ_ಠ I'm leaving now anyway.

totallyhuman

bye

Stephen

@totallyhuman you bored?

caird coinheringaahing

o/ all

Pavel

@Stephen That requires a lot of planning and thinking ahead. You can't just get drunk, build a gun, and shoot and someone one day.

totallyhuman

01:26

woah

Downgoat

@cairdcoinheringaahing no, bad idea 0/10 only can result in sheep taking over world

totallyhuman

how does VSL support so many syntaxes (syntices, syntaxis, idfk)

Stephen

@Pavel but if/when you do build said gun, you know no one else is going to have one :P

Downgoat

@totallyhuman majick? (what speciifcally are you refer to)

Stephen

@totallyhuman Because you should totally post an answer to this

Pavel

01:28

@Stephen ...except the police

totallyhuman

@Downgoat best example is how many syntax highlighting thingies you're using in the README :P

Downgoat

@Pavel not in the US?

Pavel

Police carry guns

totallyhuman

raw.githubusercontent.com/vsl-lang/VSL/master/README.md

Downgoat

@Pavel what does that have to do with building a gun?

totallyhuman

01:29

python, swift and haskell o0 weirdest combination lol

Downgoat

@totallyhuman :P I just chose language with closest syntax for each example

Pavel

@Downgoat Well, Stephen mentioned no one else would have a gun if all guns were banned and you happened to build one, but I pointed out that no, police would still be allowed to have guns.

Zach Gates

@Pavel If only the police (or military, hence government at a whole) had guns, we'd be in some trouble.

Stephen

@Pavel hm, iirc a lot of stuff that goes down happens where there aren't any police - if you know everyone else could have a concealed weapon you'll be a bit more scared

totallyhuman

aw man the gunversation's started

bye o/

caird coinheringaahing

01:30

I hate JS. (_=+[];_<+[]+[];_++){_--} is valid JS code.

Pavel

@Stephen Everyone else can have a concealed weapon and I am scared.

Downgoat

@cairdcoinheringaahing this is (still) not true

@Pavel oh >_<

Zach Gates

@Stephen Exactly. I think you'd be within the bounds of the law to build a nuclear weapon, too. Assuming that you're not harming anyone with radiation, and you own the land you want to bomb (if you even want to test it).

Pavel

@ZachGates Not at all.

Zach Gates

inb4 3d printed nukes

Pavel

01:32

Possesing weapons-grade uranium or plutonium is illegal.

Doesn't even have to be made into a bomb.

caird coinheringaahing

@downgoat Better? And it is, I tried it

Downgoat

@ZachGates uhhhh possessing or even attempting to make WMDs is an uber-serious crime

Zach Gates

I know, but within the bounds of the US Constitution.. not so much.

Pavel

Still no.

Downgoat

ASCII-only

01:33

@Pavel here

Pavel

Cerain weapons classified as millitary-grade are illegal to posses.

Downgoat

IIRC US constitution doesn't explicitly declare murder a crime either

totallyhuman

@Pavel ** splats or packs a dictionary. what you splat it or pack it into is up to you :P

Downgoat

shit spelt constitution wrong :| :P

Zach Gates

@Pavel I get that, but "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Nuclear arms are indeed arms.

Pavel

01:34

Hand grenades, fully-automatic rifles, and the like are all illegal to own in the US.

Zach Gates

It fails to specify the grade of arms (or power, etc.).

@Pavel No they are not. You need a permit.

Arnold Schwarzenegger owns a tank. ;) I doubt he actively fires it, but I imagine he's allowed to use it as he pleases on his property.

Pavel

@ZachGates That's hardly "not infringing".

And there is no license for frag grenades.

Downgoat

._. if 2nd amendment is for self-defence etc. why wouldn't a glock do the job for you

Pavel

Actually 2nd amendment is for militia-forming.

ASCII-only

@Downgoat slack pls

Downgoat

01:37

k

Pavel

> A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Zach Gates

I'd get rid of any restrictive laws regarding any weapons, honestly. IMO, the government should stay out of mandating what anyone can/cannot own.

Pavel

Yeah I don't think people should be allowed to construct nuclear weapons.

Zach Gates

What happens if you elect someone and they turn dictator? They have nukes are you don't; hand grenades and automatic weapons, too.

Stephen

@ZachGates that's what checks and balances are for

Pavel

01:39

The issue is that people are far more likely to use weapons against fellow citizens than in righteous rebelion.

Downgoat

@Pavel doesn't the state arm the national guard?

Zach Gates

@Stephen Checks and balances are a sham in most cases at this time in human history. Part of the reason for a multi-party system is to prevent a single group from being the upper echelon of government, but all that's needed is a majority.

Pavel

@Downgoat Well back when the amendment was written it didn't.

Downgoat

@Stephen checks and balances have been shown to not be too effective :P

Zach Gates

@Pavel I don't think so. Why do you assume the worst? If you built a nuke, would you be tempted to take out a city?

Stephen

01:41

@ZachGates no but there's someone out there who would be

Zach Gates

Exactly. That's what good citizens would watch out for.

Pavel

No, but if I was tempted to take out a city (and some people are) I would build a nuke.

ASCII-only

@Downgoat :/ you disappeared

Pavel

@ZachGates And do what to prevent it from happening?

Zach Gates

Report it to the governing authority.. It takes some time to build a nuke.

Pavel

01:44

Right, but in this hypothetical scenario, that's perfectly legal.

Zach Gates

A good citizen would probably report any instance of someone increasing their level of armament.

Pavel

So the governing authority wouldn't do anything.

@ZachGates So if my neighbor buys a pistol, I should call the police?

Zach Gates

OK think about it like this: All weapons are legal to own. Most people own a pistol, shotgun, or rifle. You see your neighbor start buying/using an automatic weapon (or building a nuke, if you want to think about the extreme). You report it to the goverment. Not in a malicious "I think he's dangerous" way, but in a "I'm watching out for my safety and others" way.

@Pavel That's a false equivalency.

Pavel

Fair enough.

Zach Gates

Personally, I think that's the ideal system that the founding fathers of the USA envisioned.

But, again, that's just my opinion.

Pavel

01:47

@ZachGates Ok, the government knows my neighbor has a nuke, and he's had it for a while. No one does anything, because it's legal. One day, he fires on a city, and no one is able to stop him.

My opinion is that the founding fathers were wrong >_>

Downgoat

^ 1776 was a verrryyy different time

Zach Gates

If I see my neighbor has a nuke, I'm gonna make damn sure I have one, too. Also going to watch for any strange goings-on at his place ;)

Pavel

Ok. You have a nuke, your neighbor has a nuke.

Downgoat

If someone holds a gun to my head, I'd rather have them put it down then I raise one to theirs

Pavel

Neigbor launches nuke. What do you do.

Zach Gates

01:49

I live in Memphis, and we have quite a high murder rate. Lots of people own guns simply because others do, and it makes sense to defend yourself with equal force.

@Pavel You're missing the point. If someone chooses to walk into Wal-Mart and shoot everyone with a pistol, what do you do?

Pavel

gtfo and call the police

Downgoat

@ZachGates the only thing that could have stopped a bad guy with a gun is not always a good guy with a gun

Zach Gates

I'm not saying that the government shouldn't also have a defense program. (which could take out the nuke if my neighbor decides he does, in fact, want to launch it)

Pavel

I think a system where that someone doesn't have a pistol is better than a system where that someone does have a pistol and someone else who can shoot him also has a pistol.

Zach Gates

Actually, that's exactly what would happen if anyone, anywhere launched a nuke.

Pavel

01:52

No it wouldn't, we don't have systems in place to reliably take out nuclear weapons.

The technology isn't quite there yet.

Zach Gates

In a world where people are allowed to have nukes, nuke-defense would be way better, I'd assume.

Pavel

Didn't the government spend like literally all of it's money on exactly this during the cold war

Zach Gates

Also, for all we know, a billionaire in the USA owns an underground lab and actively develops nukes for his personal collection. The fact is, we just don't know.

Same for our government, other countries, etc.

Pavel

We can be pretty confident that there isn't such a billionaire.

To manufacture nuclear weapons, you need to have a nuclear electric plant. Those aren't exactly inconspicuous.

In fact, that's the reason we even have nuclear electric plants in the first place.

totallyhuman

github.com/satwikkansal/wtfpython

Zach Gates

02:08

@Pavel That sort of proves my point. It'd be pretty obvious if you're building a nuke. Firstly because of your massive amount of wealth and resources, and secondly, that pesky nuclear power plant. You could also certainly build a nuke with no rocket/launching mechanism.

Pavel

But no one can do anything once the nuke is activated.

If you can't have a nuke, no nuke is activated. If anyone can have a nuke, someone will detonate one.

Zach Gates

If it was activated, it would destroy the activator.

Pavel

Yes

Zach Gates

Why would anyone build a nuke, only to destroy themselves along with it? You're arguing the corner cases.

Pavel

Terrorists do it on a smaller scale all the time.

But generally with bomb vests, or planes in the extreme case.

Zach Gates

02:12

Exactly. And look how good of a job we do stopping them (in relation to the volume).

Pavel

Not a very great job.

But we do stop some of them.

Zach Gates

Not a perfect job, no. But I think we take care of a large majority of threats.

Pavel

We'd take care of 0 of the threats if wearing a bomb vest in public was legal.

Zach Gates

And I'm not advocating that at all..

On your own property? Sure.

Anonymous

This is more off-topic for TNB than usual, and it's kind of dominating the room. Perhaps a separate chat room for your debate would be better?

Pavel

02:16

Well, the debate is stupid, so no.

We can just stop

Zach Gates

^ I'm not particularly interested in continuing it, either.

Anonymous

That's also a solution :) Thanks guys

totallyhuman

Yay

Zach Gates

If anyone can post an authoritative answer as to why or why not the problem addressed in this question can be solved, I'll happily award you the bounty: stackoverflow.com/q/45899959/3496038

There's only 3 days remaining and I'd prefer it go to somebody

Pavel

@ZachGates Bounties not manually awarded will go to the highest-voted answer automatically when they expire.

Or to the accepted answer, if there is one.

Zach Gates

02:23

Oh, that's good to know :)

Anonymous

@Pavel Assuming that there's a positively-scored answer

Anonymous

@ZachGates I'll do some research and see if I can find a solution for you

Pavel

Which there is, in this case.

Zach Gates

@Mego Awesome, I really appreciate that. If you need to know anything more than what's posted, here's the chatroom I've been using for extended discussion; you can ping me there any time

totallyhuman

02:38

:O i did not know docs.python.org/3/library/shelve.html was a thing

ASCII-only

@Downgoat ono u disaper again'

Pavel

@totallyhuman Isn't that just passing a dict to pickle

totallyhuman

yes

Pavel

Doesn't seem very special.

Pavel

03:44

Summer's over now, eh? Paradoxically, PPCG should be expecting more activity.

Wheat Wizard

The more work I have the more PPCG I do

Pavel

I will continuously slack off throughout the year regardless, but as my workload increases I can no longer justify playing video games since they take up so much more time, so I start to PPCG instead.

Wheat Wizard

I don't even know why, but I have the hghest activity on PPCG when I have big projects going on in school

ASCII-only

Aug 7 '15 at 19:05, by Doorknob

room topic changed to The Nineteenth Byte: General discussion for http://codegolf.stackexchange.com | abandon all work, ye who enter here —aditsu (no tags)

@Pavel 0/10 if video games take up more time than PPCG you're doing something wrong

You should balance them

99.95% PPCG + 0.05% games seems about right

Pavel

@ASCII-only You misunderstand

Dota 2 match: entire hour block, which penalizes me for leaving.
PPCG: Can be done in arbitrary size chunks throughout the day, and starting/stopping work takes as much time as openning VS Code or TIO

ASCII-only

03:53

@Pavel -1 playing dota 2

who would play a game that terrible

there are way better games :P

Pavel

Do you play league of legends?

I will fight you.

ASCII-only

<- terrible at LoL

Do I play? Sometimes. Do I have any clue how to play? No

Wheat Wizard

Tangentially speaking of games: Does anyone play infinifactory?

Pavel

Do I play (dota)? For at least a couple of hours a week. Do I have any clue how to play? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahano

@ASCII-only Anyway, Dota was an extreme example I used just because its games are so long, but really any kind of non-ppcg requires allocating a substantial amount of time.

ASCII-only

@Pavel Nope

Pavel

03:56

After clearing the front page of reddit, that is.

ASCII-only

Just play SHENZHEN I/O or TIS-100 :P

Wheat Wizard

I am stuck in TIS-100

ASCII-only

@Pavel especitally ~~TVTropes~~

Wheat Wizard

Well I was

then I wiped my drive

ASCII-only

<- no money to get anything else atm :/

Pavel

03:57

What is TIS-100?

Wheat Wizard

It is a assembly programming game

ASCII-only

@Pavel zachtronics.com/tis-100

Wheat Wizard

Zachtronics makes excellent games for code-golfers

Pavel

@ASCII-only What would you buy if you did have money?

ASCII-only

TIS-100 :P I forgot to get that one

Maybe I should get it tomorrow

Also, I'm always stuck in SHENZHEN I/O

when you're terrible at fastest-code

Wheat Wizard

04:02

I rarely play the fastest code modes

I have several WRs on Infinifactory for golf though

Pavel

@ASCII-only hey, what's your steam account?

ASCII-only

@Pavel somebody_cares

Pavel

Is your profile private? Searching doesn't make anything come up.

Actually nevermind

DJMcMayhem

04:26

VTD plz?

ASCII-only

04:46

@Pavel all lowercase?

Downgoat

@ASCII-only pls see slack

Destructible Lemon

05:02

@ASCII-only obviously, since they asked

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon yep

Pavel

05:57

@ASCII-only Yeah

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07:50

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Q: Generate strong primes

In number theory, a strong prime is a prime number that is greater than the arithmetic mean of the nearest prime above and below (in other words, it's closer to the following than to the preceding prime). Your task is to generate n strong primes, given an input integer, n, where n >= 0. For ...

Alex K Chen

09:52

What are some good sources where I can find interesting python tkinter projects to work on ? (So that I learn tkinter on learn-as-you-need basis)

Favorable things are: Combinatorial games, physics simulations, but any other things are ok too.

mınxomaτ

GitHub search probably

wizzwizz4

@AlexKChen The module itself.

That's an interesting project to do with tkinter.

Does anyone know whether FLOPS is measured using multiplication, addition or division?

muddyfish

I use pygame instead of tkinter for most things

wizzwizz4

@muddyfish They have different use cases.

muddyfish

Yes.

wizzwizz4

10:03

Tkinter is for when you want to make something with Windows Forms, but don't actually want to use Windows Forms.

muddyfish

Pygame is for pixel based stuff with an event loop

Alex K Chen

Starry night --->

wizzwizz4

@AlexKChen Yes, there are many stars.

Mr. Xcoder

10:28

Husk is the new Jelly confirmed :'-( - Now I have to learn a new language

caird coinheringaahing

10:39

@Mr.Xcoder Not always

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13:06

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Q: Balanced and Centre-Free Sets of Points

Taking in Input Define a function f as follows: IF x < 0: f(x) = -√|x| ELSE: f(x) = √x In your programs/functions, each point (x, y) given as input will correspond to the point (f(x), f(y)). For example, if the points (4, -2) and (-1, 5) are given as input, your program will be dealin...

code-golf coordinates

wizzwizz4

14:36

Does anyone who was around in the 1960s or later remember any powerful processors or supercomputers?

High power over price is good.

Wheat Wizard

I think everyone here was around in the 1960s or later.

5

wizzwizz4

@WheatWizard Iirc Downgoat wasn't.

*facepalm* OIC

Wheat Wizard

My point is that now is later than the 1960s

wizzwizz4

I meant ~1960s to late 1990s. :-/

Wheat Wizard

Ok, I was around in the late 1990s, but I was a child :P

wizzwizz4

14:47

@WheatWizard Do you remember any powerful animal noises from around that time?

I know Moo and Baa and Oink.

And Meow and Woof.

@H.PWiz Hello!

What does H.P stand for?

Wheat Wizard

15:05

What is the difference between disputed and declined?

H.PWiz

@wizzwizz4 Nothing, It's just a totally made-up name

wizzwizz4

@WheatWizard What context?

Wheat Wizard

Moderator flags

wizzwizz4

@WheatWizard Declined means "not going to happen", "refused", "rejected (like edits)".

I need more context for disputed.

@H.PWiz I take it you aren't associated with a flights company?

Wheat Wizard

A flag can be disputed, declined or helpful. I was wondering the difference between the first two.

H.PWiz

15:08

No, I am not

wizzwizz4

@WheatWizard I don't see the option to mark a flag as disputed...

I presume it's used for when the action (to be) taken is unknown / disputed.

Helka Homba

15:49

@wizzwizz4 you prefer ie to chrome? :o

wizzwizz4

@HelkaHomba Well, that's disputed now.

IE has not only fallen behind but has been actively nerfed since the introduction of Edge.

Helka Homba

And Edge isn't that bad

wizzwizz4

@HelkaHomba It seems that, as soon as your computer is deemed "old", it's unsupported by lots of things.

Either the software's badly written or it's out to get me. :-p

Recently, my Bluetooth mouse stopped working. After the next sleep a program encountered an Access Violation, causing a (presumably) non-fatal error. The lock screen was still fully functional, but I didn't get a chance to finish typing my password before it automatically restarted.

In two and a half words: I'm biased.

I forgot to mention that the computer was working with no problems until Windows had finished downloading the update. Then stuff stopped working left, right and center but magically fixed itself after a restart.

Helka Homba

Windows is that bad

wizzwizz4

@HelkaHomba If only my laptop didn't have this OS-specific management software!

The next machine I get is coming without Windows on it, so I don't feel obliged to use it after I've paid for it.

Helka Homba

15:55

My Windows Defender has said it needs updates for days but fails to install them every time it tries.

wizzwizz4

(IMO Windows wasn't that bad until GWX.)

But again, I'm biased because I grew up on the OS.

Metaphorically speaking.

DJMcMayhem

@WheatWizard Declined counts against your flagging record, disputed is ignored

Helka Homba

@wizzwizz4 Are you, in fact, Microsoft Bob?

wizzwizz4

@HelkaHomba No.

I might've been (a fork of ~) had that not been closed-source.

Wheat Wizard

@DJMcMayhem But what is the actual difference? What causes one vs the other.

wizzwizz4

15:59

@DJMcMayhem TIL. Thanks - I'll use that as soon as I work out how to.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Golf a Brainfuck compresser. The eso-lang Brainfuck only has 8 instructions that do something: +-><[]., so in theory you could represent them in 3 bits. You could store 8 instructions in 24 bits or 3 bytes. BrnFck This is compressed brainfuck an instruction will be represented by it's bits. ...

DJMcMayhem

16:36

@WheatWizard I'm not really sure. I think disputed is more either The mods as a whole weren't sure how to act on the flag or The flag was partially wrong but you had the right intentions, so we don't want to punish you for flagging it

But I'm not entirely sure

Wheat Wizard

Ok I'll bring the particular issue up on meta then.

wizzwizz4

@DJMcMayhem A use case for that seems to be "we don't want to penalise you for a bad flag because it's not a bad flag, but we don't want to put a black mark of having a spam post on this user because the post is better now and wasn't actually spam but looked like spam".

Does anyone know how to use a date as the x axis of a scatter plot in LibreOffice?

It keeps interpreting the date as POSIX time (or some similar numerical representation) then plotting it on the y axis.

DJMcMayhem

@wizzwizz4 That's a much better way of putting it

@WheatWizard link?

Wheat Wizard

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A: One Ring to rule them all. One String to contain them all

I don't have any code, but I thought someone might appreciate this intuitive proof that 999 characters is the lower bound to the length of the output: First, every 1- and 2-digit number is part of a 3-digit number, so ignore everything less than 100. 100-999 inclusive is 900 3-digit numbers. Th...

H.PWiz

16:52

@WheatWizard, I must admit, I said that it looked okay. Only because I don't think that it deserved to be deleted

This was on the review page, to clarify

DJMcMayhem

Oh, I meant to the meta, but now I understand what's going on

Wheat Wizard

I haven't asked on the meta yet

I'll so so later

DJMcMayhem

I'm pretty sure it was disputed because half of the reviewers said "recommend deletion" and the other half said "looks ok"

Not directly disputed by a mod

Wheat Wizard

Oh so the mods were not involved

DJMcMayhem

Maybe they were, it was just a guess

Only a mod could answer

Wheat Wizard

16:53

Oh ok

wizzwizz4

@DJMcMayhem Aw... that would be a useful feature. :-(

DJMcMayhem

But I think flags can become disputed because of the review queues

wizzwizz4

I don't think mods can do that to flags.

DJMcMayhem

Can do what?

It think it was a VLQ flag, which automatically puts it in the queues

Close flags do too

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