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16:00
@dzaima wait sogl has mold too?
Okx
Okx
@dzaima did u just add that?
@EriktheOutgolfer yeah
@EriktheOutgolfer Pseudocode: Do that
Golfed.
@Adám Theoretica, 6 bytes s:~l1_
@wizzwizz4 you can do even better
16:01
@EriktheOutgolfer I hope you don't mind if I ask you some of these? What do you think ½ should be?
@Okx no; I guess this is the only time that untyped inputs are useful :p
@EriktheOutgolfer Psychiclang, 0 bytes.
@Adám Gaia, 3 bytes: ṙ×<
@cairdcoinheringaahing %
it just looks like that
@EriktheOutgolfer I'm blind aren't I? :D
16:02
Is there an "Unchangeable" address?
@SIGSEGV 1600 Pennsylvania Ave
@SIGSEGV 127.0.0.1
@SIGSEGV 192.168.2.1
I hate one thing: wrong pings and off-by one errors!
Umm
No
Not those addresses
16:04
Which one is golfier at. Poll
@SIGSEGV /dev/null?
those addresses
#1 Jelly vs 05AB1E in String manipulation
@Mr.Xcoder All your base are belong to us?
Unclear grammar.
16:05
@Mr.Xcoder umm...
sometimes jelly sometimes 05ab1e
Is "poll" a verb?
@wizzwizz4 Nope
@Mr.Xcoder Ah. "Which one is golfier at...?" poll!
@wizzwizz4 Yeah
I'd say 05AB1E for string stuff but I'm not very familiar with it
16:06
I can't really decide if Jelly or 05AB1E is better at string manipulation!
CMC: Create a theoretica interpreter
#2 Charcoal vs Bubblegum in
@Mr.Xcoder CHARCOAAAAL
@Mayube I propose Python 3 as a language.
@Mayube that's sick
16:07
@AdmBorkBork oh good now can you delete that message pls
@EriktheOutgolfer good sick or bad sick?
#3 SOGL vs Charcoal in
@Mr.Xcoder hrm...
probably Charcoal
@Mayube sorry if language is yours but bad sick
16:07
Depends on the art, both are pretty good
@SIGSEGV There are others, but that's a common one.
@EriktheOutgolfer it is mine, but I totally agree, it was a joke spec made a while back
#4 Python vs C# in s related to
Okx
Okx
@Mayube neim is kind of like that, it has infinite lists that can be manipulated on, but not printed or anything
@Mr.Xcoder Python
16:09
Python
0
Q: Can I make a CnR with no winning criteria for Cops?

Wheat WizardI've had two challenge ideas floating around in my head for a while. I'll spare the details but as a general overview: The first is a challenge that should, in principle, be fun but in practice it is so easy for Cops to make solutions that are virtually impossible to crack that it couldn't be fu...

#5 Pyth vs 05AB1E in
@Mr.Xcoder umm...
Okx
Okx
@Mr.Xcoder oasis
16:10
should I say 05AB1E?
@Okx sorry not a choice
Okx
Okx
it's kind of based off 05ab1e?
@Mr.Xcoder Not cQuents, because it sucks at golfing
@Okx actually it's very different from 05ab1e
and it sucks a lot at most sequences
#6 Neim vs Jelly in
@Mr.Xcoder sometimes jelly sometimes neim
Okx
Okx
16:11
neim is that even a question
dude
@Okx calm down
Okx
Okx
xD
if neim has the builtins, otherwise Jelly
Java vs C# in needless verbosity
16:11
THis is "which is golfier"
@BusinessCat Java
how can one be golfier in needless verbosity?
@Mr.Xcoder The more complicated it is, the more likely Jelly is to win it
@Mr.Xcoder Math is best for
@BusinessCat JAVA
16:12
also Verbosely
@Mayube nah
@Mayube Who is needlessly verbose in the least bytes
nobody reaches java in verbosiness
you gotta make it better
16:12
bish how do you know you ain't even tried it yet
Bowlfing?
#7 V vs Bubblegum in
@EriktheOutgolfer arnoldc? lolcode? extrac?
@Mr.Xcoder Y U NO charcoal vs V?
@EriktheOutgolfer cough Taxi, Shakespeare, Mornington Cresent cough
16:12
every statement must be a programmer defined method call
@LeakyNun ok you win
Okx
Okx
@Mr.Xcoder V
language creators please have a honest and humble opinion no rage plz
In general, charcoal < V < bubblegum
@DJMcMayhem Just added V
16:13
@Mr.Xcoder bubblegum
Brainfuck vs Brain-Flak in headaches
ok quick gimme the basic arithmetic builtins i need to have
Okx
Okx
brainfuck
@BusinessCat brain-flak
@EriktheOutgolfer And now DJ: "How dare you?!"
16:14
ugh I need an easy jelly challenge that's not already answered in jelly :(
previously okx: "HOW DARE U COMPARE NEIM 2 ANYTHING NEIM IS DA BEST"
Wait, what are these questions for?
Poll: Hardest Turing-Tarpit to use
#8 Brain-flak vs Brainfuck in
@Mr.Xcoder brainfuck
16:14
@DJMcMayhem which is golfier
@EriktheOutgolfer taking all the jelly solutions
@DJMcMayhem For me.
@StepHen Mini-flak is a total PITA
Stack cats too
do any of these questions involve braingolf? :P
@StepHen etre
16:15
Is Half-Broken Car in Heavy Traffic TC?
#9 Stacked vs Pyth in
@StepHen Unary. I run out of upload bandwidth.
@Mr.Xcoder have no clue about stacked
@BusinessCat I'm pretty sure it is.
Pyth since Stacked isn't a golfing language
16:15
so far i have +, -, ×, ÷, exponentiation, integer division
but I'd say pyth
@totallyhuman modulo
oh right ><
what're you making?
Brain-flak and V are both interesting because they have a small subset of challenges they're fantastic for, and a lot they're really bad at
16:16
@totallyhuman Tetration
@StepHen huh?
that's not a builtin in most languages
I'm making a 1-byte built in for tetration...
#10. JAVA VS BRAIN-FLAK in Very simple number questions
in fact, it's not a builtin in my brain!
Brainflak
16:17
@Mr.Xcoder java
@Mr.Xcoder Java lambdas
what the heck is tetration
Hard to say because Java can use lambdas
If you count the boilerplate definitely Brain-Flak then
@totallyhuman x^(x^(x^(x^(...))))
16:17
@totallyhuman tetration to exponentiation is what exponentiation is to multiplication
@totallyhuman tetration(a, n) = a^a^a... n times
Like x^x^x^x^x^x
@totallyhuman Say # is defined as tetration. x#3 = x^(x^x)
@StepHen Nah
oh jeez ok
16:18
@StepHen umm, I don't think it's supposed to have stray brackets is it?
tetration is like exponential exponentiation
@Mr.Xcoder Brain-flak
@DJMcMayhem heh
@EriktheOutgolfer Those parenthesis are correct.
I vote for Brain-flak too
16:19
POLL: what is the easiest golf language to learn?
is there exponential tetration too :o
@EriktheOutgolfer RIP left bracket you had a great life, You'll go to heaven
@wizzwizz4 I had an extra ) at the end
@NoahCristino English.
16:19
quatration?
I vote all that are not jelly
I suggest for tetration
CJam is pretty easy
@NoahCristino Jelly wins 'em all
@BusinessCat I might learn that next
@Mr.Xcoder true but it's hard
16:19
if @ is quatration, and # is tetration, x@3 = x#(x#x)
But it has pretty much no chance at winning
I just learned jelly
@Mr.Xcoder For who
@NoahCristino jelly is one of the high-class golfing languages
ok this is getting too meta
16:20
and I might try CJam next
#11 (Not golfiest one, easiest to learn one): Pyth vs CJam
imma stop at tetration
@EriktheOutgolfer ya
@Mr.Xcoder cjam
16:20
@BusinessCat For me :)
duuno why
cjam
next suggestion
Should this challenge be tagged with some meta-programming tag? Idk what would fit...
@totallyhuman what're you making?
16:20
@totallyhuman Did you see my E suggestion?
If [n] is ntration, a[n]6 = a[n-1](a[n-1](a[n-1](a[n-1](a[n-1]a)))))
@Mr.Xcoder in Gaia is equivalent to Ç in Jelly so it can't be tetration sadly
@StepHen no messages are flying past
I just came up with an idea for a really unusable programming language
#12 Pyth vs CJam in
16:21
@totallyhuman E, so 3E3 = 3 * 10^3
Could I have some feedback on this proposal?
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

wizzwizz4Texplode koth Texplode is like Hexplode, but played on a tetragonal (square) grid. explains the rules I/O You will provide two device files / named pipes / terminals / COM ports / other. One of these will be for input, and the other will be for output. The input provided to your program wi...

@Mr.Xcoder Probably CJam
@Mr.Xcoder pyth...or cjam?
probably pyth by a slight chance
> A golfing language designed for parsing webpages and doing general online stuff.
#13 Pyke vs CJam in
16:22
@NoahCristino A lot of langs are like that :P write the interpreter and it'll be fun to play with
Also, a review of the engine on Code Review would be nice.
@Mr.Xcoder pyke
I don't know Pyke
that's what I'm doing rn @StepHen :)
Last two
16:23
@wizzwizz4 Did you get tumbleweed for that by any chance? :P
I made a language just to solve 1 challenge
@StepHen That's just questions.
:-( I feel that I should've earned it though.
but it wasn't "turing complete"
@wizzwizz4 no you do have it look at your profile
it literally errored no matter what
16:24
@StepHen ok
:39035031 Tumbleweed is people ignoring your question.
Ignorance is not knowing things.
I think it's a badge too?
@EriktheOutgolfer Yes. Bronze.
Six months is the threshold. Wrong.
My question on portuguese language didn't get any comments, answers, or votes in 1 year
I was talking about the badge and you have it here: codereview.stackexchange.com/help/badges/21/…
16:25
and then a mod commented
@StepHen Oh. For the code review, yes.
@NoahCristino Did you get an answer?
@StepHen that's sad
nope
it was for them to promote my area51 proposal
since it was Portugal
which was related to them
but I only got 1 follower
How should I post my proposed solution to the popcon problem?
#14 Jelly vs J in simple
16:26
@Mr.Xcoder jelly I suppose?
@Christopher answer to the relevant meta post
@NoahCristino What would be on-topic for a country-specific site?
um
I'll check my proposal one sec
culture geography
anything except language
Revised
@StepHen What relevant post? I can't find one
16:27
since that already exists
#14 J vs Jelly in
@NoahCristino I think those are on-topic on Travel and Earth Science (not sure about the last one).
jelly is bad with ascii
@NoahCristino Lol true
30
Q: Create a binary wall

TheLethalCoderGiven an array of positive integers in base 10, where n > 0, output their representation of a binary wall. How does this work? Convert each number to it's binary representation. Pad the representation with leading zeroes to the length of the longest one i.e. 1, 2 -> 1, 10 -> 01, 10. Create a w...

16:27
@Mr.Xcoder j
also you just did off-by-one error
but specifically stuff about portugal
@wizzwizz4
@Mr.Xcoder very true...especially since I experienced it
but Jelly is essentially a golfier version J
@Cowsquack Not in ascii art
16:28
@NoahCristino Do we have a site? :-)
not anymore ;-)
@Okx DO you have a transcript?
what do you mean code trolling
@NoahCristino it used to be something here
16:29
@NoahCristino it's an old burninated tag
Will PPCG ever get a design from SE?
@NoahCristino It's complicated.
@Mr.Xcoder DON'T START!
@Mr.Xcoder stuff has greater priority first
16:29
Don't start this. It takes hours.
also ^^^ and ^
@EriktheOutgolfer What's stuff here?
@Mr.Xcoder when we do they'll adjust rep level so wait til I have more rep
@Mr.Xcoder Don't...
Look on meta for information.
@wizzwizz4 Link (too lazy)?
16:30
@SIGSEGV cracked
shall be tetration
165
Q: Congratulations, you're graduating!

Grace NoteIt's a big day, and I know you folks have been waiting a reeeaaal long while. Double waiting, you might even say, since unfortunately we made you wait even longer after initial news. But, let's make it official! You've been cleared for graduation by the Stack Exchange Community Team! Programming ...

@Dennis hi
Hello.
@Dennis wait, even mods can't comment on deleted posts?
16:32
@StepHen They can. They don't.
Usually.
Felt like a misuse of my mod powers.
wait so you can only tetrate by an integer right?
@Dennis it's indeed a misuse...deleting a post may mean "don't bother me"...why abuse and bother?
@wizzwizz4 Will we ever get a design?
@NoOneIsHere ...
16:34
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Q: How to evaluate fractional tetrations?

Mr. VubioRecently I've come across 'tetration' in my studies of math, and I've become intrigued how they can be evaluated when the "tetration number" is not whole. For those who do not know, tetrations are the next in sequence of iteration functions. (The first three being addition, multiplication, and ex...

@NoOneIsHere ......
wow that pinging is loud
never used caht before
*chat
Do you want to destroy our signal:noise ratio?
5 mins ago, by wizzwizz4
Don't start this. It takes hours.
6 to 8 weeks guys have some patience
Okx
Okx
16:35
^
@EriktheOutgolfer is linefeed in the Jelly code page? I can't seem to find it.
@NoOneIsHere that means you have your speakers loud...it happens
@cairdcoinheringaahing \r isn't
\n and both are at the same byte
@cairdcoinheringaahing it shares a spot with newline iirc
@StepHen ok so i just won't i guess >_<
Wait... carriage return == line feed?
I thought new line == line feed.
16:37
oh right
`\n` = new line
`\r` = carriage return
@EriktheOutgolfer also, what are ƁƇƊƑƘⱮƝƤƬƲȤɓɗƒɦƙɱɲƥʠɼʂƭʋȥ used for? I can't find them in the docs (aside from ɠ, ƈ and Ɠ)?
@cairdcoinheringaahing chars
like, chars in the codepage
I made a language
they can be used in compressed stuff
16:38
I call it negative 666
@EriktheOutgolfer is that it?
well, for now
@NoahCristino is it on github?
@NoahCristino put it on esolangs.org
16:38
@Mayube Formatting doesn't work in multi-line messages.
it's python
converted to aascii
-666
to all numbers xD
so it's just hard to use
@NoahCristino but easy to automate
16:39
@wizzwizz4 linefeed is it's own character.
ya @StepHen
@Phoenix What's its Unicode codepoint?
I don't believe ascii has it?
wait
then I should convert back
to letters lol
I think line feed is \n is newline
Since it's LFCR
for line feed carriage return
16:41
So line feed is new line?
This is confusing.
linefeed is \n for sure
I believe so
@StepHen oh no that's right
Line feed character is different
It's the paragraph thing: ¶
Unicode has a line seperator
16:42
@SIGSEGV Are you going to undelete your cop answer?
@StepHen that's linefeed in a jelly string
And also a next line
@EriktheOutgolfer Right, it's just so you don't get confused by literal linefeeds in Jelly, because Dennis is smart
it's also what MS Word uses when you look at the markdown-ish version of it for signifying LF (as opposed to CR)
It's called a pilcrow iirc
16:43
@StepHen no literal newlines in strings can infer all sorts of problems
at least it's on the same byte as \n so it doesn't consume space
@StepHen Single caret for message above. You just caretted to your own message.
Plus, carets-and-nothing-else are discouraged.
@StepHen by TNB convention, two ^s means two messages up
@EriktheOutgolfer That's not what makes it a misuse. For moderation purposes, I'll bother you on undeleted and deleted posts alike.
Ninja'd
@Dennis but that wasn't moderation was it?
16:44
@EriktheOutgolfer Which is why he didn't bother you.
Matthew, but yes.
@StepHen umm posting a message twice is unnecessary
But if you did a bad thing then deleted, he would bother you.
@Dennis who's Mathew?
16:46
Ah
@Phoenix Matthew? Is that... the mythical autocorrect demon?
I was asking Dennis, idk if his autocorrect failed out what.
SIGSEGV used to be Matthew Roh, no?
yes
@Phoenix no chance...really, no damn chance at all 0/10
but he does make typos
although that's not autocorrect-related
btw he said "Matthew" not "Mathew" so that's not the case anyways here
I hate autocucumber with a passion.
16:49
@Dennis Don't you mean passion fruit?
exactly how can something never used fail?
@EriktheOutgolfer It fails by working.
umm...I think dennis intended that message to be starred or something?
Until Google writes an autocorrecter or autocompleter that can read your mind, it'll never be perfect.
and of course read it correctly
well, who said the mind reader will be perfect?
16:51
That might lead to some even more awkward mistakes though
@StepHen I think Neuralink might beat Google.
@BusinessCat Yes, so don't think it if you don't want to say it :P
e.g. the mind reader reading stuff...yeah I don't wanna talk 'bout it
what's the ascii range?
what ascii range?
16:52
@NoahCristino 0-256 for some meanings of ASCII
what should string subtraction do
range of extender chars
@StepHen isn't it 0-127?
no that's 7-bit ascii
16:53
@totallyhuman In Gaia it does something very useful
Throws an error
@Cowsquack if "ASCII" means "Extended ASCII" then no
@totallyhuman Either remove first instance, last instance, or all instances, your pick
gtg for now bye
cuz 127 doesn't show up
@NoahCristino 127 is DEL
16:54
(aka an unprintable I think)
Printable ASCII is from 32 to 126 inclusive
What would be a good (number, number) dyad for S
but 130 is ‚
@NoahCristino That's a box for me, is it for you?
That's based on your computer's font/encoding I think
16:57
oh
then what's the jelly characters?
what's the start range
Is it ok to use the Sandbox for Proposed Challenges to test embedding YouTube videos?
@NoahCristino Jelly has a custom encoding, it's not ASCII
16:59
what encoding?
@NoahCristino SBCS aka Jelly's code page
@StevenVascellaro wait
what do you mean?
@NoahCristino Files are just stored as binary
2
A: Formatting Sandbox

Steven VascellaroTesting YouTube URL Embedding Regular https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gocwRvLhDf8 Timestamped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gocwRvLhDf8&t=22 Shortened https://youtu.be/gocwRvLhDf8 /Em...

like with a question?
16:59
Usually your computer reads them as UTF-8 or something like that, which includes ASCII
Someone asked which sites support YouTube embedding
I mean .txt files

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