The Nineteenth Byte

totallyhuman

14:02

can happen

ToxicFrog

For the file, it will be automatically closed when the program exits, and if it leaves scope before then the garbage collector might get to it before exit.

Okx

@Mayube I made a program that searches the OEIS for sequences containing this kind of formula, and see for yourself... ghostbin.com/paste/dv3c4

totallyhuman

use a context manager

ToxicFrog

You should use with to explicitly scope the lifetime of the file, which ensures that it will be closed at the end of the with block.

totallyhuman

with open('file.txt', 'rw') as f:
    f.write('hi')

ToxicFrog

14:03

For the URL, I have no idea what it means to "open a URL" in python.

^

Argh, why is @Zacharý's name a unicode disaster for me, I had this working earlier ;.;

Zacharý

I mean urllib.urlopen. And why is my name a unicode disaster for you?

totallyhuman

use requests

it's a much better web thingy module

docs.python-requests.org/en/master

ToxicFrog

I have no idea. I get the event from Stack as 'Zacharý' but by the time it makes it to IRC it's 'ZacharÃ½' instead and I can't figure out why.

Zacharý

ý is in Latin-1 Supplement, it shouldn't be giving you problems.

ToxicFrog

Wait, is your name in latin-1 rather than utf-8?

Zacharý

14:08

I don't remember ... I'm saying ý is in the Latin-1 Supplement block of unicode.

totallyhuman

hey what's a tough language to do fibonacci in

Zacharý

Brainfuck.
Befunge.

totallyhuman

brainfuck is easy

ToxicFrog

Aah.

adds some code to log the actual bytes being received

totallyhuman

befunge is 2d and 2d is confusing for me

Okx

14:09

@totallyhuman ;#

Adám

@Okx NaL

Mayube

@Okx tough != impossible

Adám

@totallyhuman ;#+

Mayube

that's better

Okx

okay you want me to make a language based off ;# that makes it really tough

Mayube

14:10

@totallyhuman Fission

Zacharý

Forgot my end

Adám

@totallyhuman Define "tough".

Zacharý

Unlambda.

Mayube

Boolfuck

Wheat Wizard

@Christopher Why have you voted to reopen this?

Okx

14:14

How do you know it was him?

Zacharý

Yeah, I was pretty stupid in saying Fibonacci in Fortress is hard... I keep forgetting to add end at the end of my if-then-else statements...

ToxicFrog

bonks head against desk

Wheat Wizard

@Okx I checked the Review Queue to see who reviewed it and how the voted

ToxicFrog

Found the problem

Zacharý

Problem with what?

Mayube

14:15

your username

ToxicFrog

StackExchange sends your name as 'Zacharý' when you are actually talking, but as 'Zachar\\u00FD' in the user list

Which means they have to be decoded differently, and stuffing the former into .decode('raw_unicode_escape') destroys everything.

Zacharý

Does @Adám 's do that as well?

ToxicFrog

Yep!

Zacharý

So, I'm going to assume ಠ_ಠ as a username would thoroughly break whatever you are currently using.

Adám

@Zacharý Huh? What? Where? Oh.

Zacharý

14:18

Sorry, I just tabbed to get your name and forgot to delete the @

ToxicFrog

I was testing earlier using just the user list and it seemed to work fine, so I couldn't figure out why it stopped working as soon as anyone with a non-ascii name started talking.

Okx

Where's the user list?

Adám

@Zacharý What languages did you use before Fortress which do not have closing-clauses on blocks?

Okx

you mean the list of pictures on the right?

ToxicFrog

That would show up as à² _à² for me, I think. But now that I know what the problem is I can fix it.

@Okx in this case, the list of users in channel returned from the JSON API, but that's what's used to populate the list on the right, yes

Adám

14:19

@ToxicFrog Wait, that's important! How did ಠ_ಠ become à² _à²?

Okx

the pictures on the right look fine

as in, when i click on them

Mayube

@Adám borked unicode decoding

Adám

@Mayube I know, but I want to understand what went wrong, as we have that problem too.

Zacharý

The way they're structured threw me off...
I was thinking of Python's if-then-else ternary, which is different from Fortress's if-then-else-end style ternary. (I just finished programming the bit of Python for the OEIS scraper)

Okx

they're*

Zacharý

14:21

There, are you happy now?

Mayube

they're*

Adám

@Zacharý How can you call if-then-else ternary? Isn't it arbitrary numbered?

Zacharý

^ * there, that one is supposed to be there.

Mayube

@Adám have you not heard of a ternary operator?

condition ? true : false

Adám

@Mayube Operator, yes, but never heard the control block called that.

Zacharý

14:22

The thing is, Fortress needs the end in the ternary-like statement.

fib(n) = if n = 1 OR n = 2 then 1 else fib(n-1)+fib(n-2) end

Adám

@Mayube What do you call:

If cond1
AndIf cond2
AndIf cond3
    true
ElseIf cond4
OrIf cond5
    false
ElseIf cond6
AndIf cond7
    maybe
EndIf

?

Zacharý

Very verbose code.

Mayube

@Adám ugly

Adám

@Zacharý How would you write it?

Mayube

(cond1 && cond2 && cond3) ? true : (cond4 || cond5) ? false : (cond6 && cond7) ? maybe : no :D

Relevant

Zacharý

14:28

I haven't used :AndIf nor :OrIf.

Adám

@Mayube Does actually work, as in does it evaluate cond2 if cond1 is false?

Mayube

@Adám depends on the language, in JS, Java and C#, it won't evaluate cond2 or cond3 if cond1 is false, in Java you can change && to & to fix that (unsure whether that also works in C# or JS)

Zacharý

Does your APL do that?

Adám

@Zacharý Dyalog APL skips to the next condition set as soon as one of a AndIf-condition-Block evaluates to false.

Zacharý

:If cond1 ∨ cond2 ∨ cond3
true
:ElseIf cond4 ∨ cond5
false
:ElseIf cond6 ∧ cond7
maybe
:EndIf

Adám

14:32

@Zacharý Right, that's if you do want full eval.

Zacharý

Assuming no side effects occur in the conditions.

Step Hen

I figured out the formula to getting lots of rep: post in a really hard to program in language while the question is still on HNQ

Mayube

are you referring to your Shakespeare language?

Step Hen

@Mayube No, the Taxi answer I posted recently

Mayube

oh right yeah that's what I meant

Wheat Wizard

14:35

@StepHen Now do this one

totallyhuman

No it's because the challenge name contains

Taxi

Mayube

yeah the formula to getting lots of rep is posting in an obscure language that matches the challenge

like the challenge where you had to blank out all text except for the word "Rex" and somebody did it in REXX

Step Hen

or the Adam West one in WordF***

Mayube

yeah

hmm.. the problem with CodeReview SE is when you don't receive any answers you're not sure whether nobody's bothered to answer or whether your code is just that good

Step Hen

@Mayube Bounty it then :P

@WheatWizard It's hard to do arrays or whatever in taxi

That one would be possible if I could guarantee each item in the arrays would be a single positive digit because of Chop Suey

but Taxi doesn't have array-type input, and I'd have to tokenize the input to get a line, and that would be just way too difficult

Mayube

14:38

@StepHen it's only been up an hour or so, I'm just impatient :P

ToxicFrog

@Adám ಠ_ಠ gets sent through .encode('utf-8').decode('raw_unicode_escape') and somehow this ends up decoding it as iso8859--1

Step Hen

@Mayube I actually successfully got an answer on SO for work when I bounty'd my question

ToxicFrog

The reason it gets sent through that encode/decode is that this is necessary to properly decode the names sent in the user list, which don't use unicode at all, they're plain ascii with \uXXXX escapes in them.

And looking at the docs, raw_unicode_escape is indeed "latin-1 with \uXXXX and \UXXXXXXXX for other code points"

Step Hen

anybody like deciphering ciphertexts?

Adám

@ToxicFrog ok, thanks.

Step Hen

14:41

I wrote a cipher this morning for somebody to decipher, pastebin

ToxicFrog

This is an easy fix (decode names differently depending on whether they came from the user list or MessagePosted events) but I'm baffled that it's even necessary.

Mayube

I really need to find the time to work on braingolf's node interpreter more, instead of adding more stuff to the python interpreter

Zacharý

Okay, I'm going to attempt to find Fortress 1.0 ... instead of 0.1 ALPHA.

totallyhuman

'œ': # parity test, 0 if even, 1 if odd
lambda stacks, stk_no, stack: stack.push(lit_eval(stack.pop()) % 2)

question:should i flip it?

1 for even, 0 for odd?

Adám

@totallyhuman No. This way it is equivalent to mod-2.

@Zacharý :

 ⎕←'Please input one or more numbers with an avg of 0'
 numbers←⎕
 :If 1|⎕DR'numbers'
 :AndIf 0=+/numbers
     'correct'
 :Else
     'wrong'
 :EndIf

Zacharý

14:50

That looks much better when it is actually being used.

Adám

@Zacharý Eh, the quotes around numbers need to go away

Mayube

I see ⎕ used a lot in APL, I used to think it was the "your font is missing this character" symbol, but it's wider than that, what is it? And what does it do in APL?

Zacharý

It's IO or system function.

Adám

@Mayube It means "system", as in I/O or constant, variable, function, operator, or namespace.

Mayube

so ⎕← is output to system, ie Console.WriteLine, and ←⎕is read from system?

Adám

14:54

@Mayube Well, ⎕← is STDOUT and ⍞← is STDERR, while ←⎕ is evaluated input and ←⍞ is text input.

Mayube

ah okay

Adám

Also, the assignment arrows are not necessary, they are just here for clarity.

Mayube

so what is 1|⎕DR?

Adám

@Mayube mod-1 of the Data Representation code.

@Mayube And a typo, should be 2|

Here is a working version:

 res←foo
 ⎕←'Please input one or more numbers with an avg of 0'
 numbers←⎕
 :If 2|⎕DR numbers
 :AndIf 0=+/numbers
     res←'correct'
 :Else
     res←'wrong'
 :EndIf

Mayube

Does APL have any OOP structures?

Adám

14:58

@Mayube structures?

totallyhuman

did my question just get hammered shut, reopened and then hammered shut again >.>

Mayube

Can you define classes? Can classes inherit? Can you define interfaces?

caird coinheringaahing

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Q: Fibtraction - Fibonacci but with subtraction

The Fibtraction sequence (as I call it) is similar to the Fibonacci sequence except, instead of adding numbers, you subtract them. The first few numbers of this challenge are: 1, 2, -1, 3, -4, 7, -11, 18, -29, 47, -76, 123, -199, 322, -521, 843, -1364... The sequence starts with 1 and 2. Ever...

of course Peter Taylor dupe hammers it :(

Adám

@Mayube Absolutely, Dyalog APL has full C# style OO: tio.run/##lZG/…

totallyhuman

mm this is ridiculous

Mayube

15:00

cool, I'm gunna port one of my C# projects over to APL at some point for fun then

Adám

@Mayube OK, but you can also just use .NET to communicate with your existing code. Dyalog APL is on Microsoft's official list of .NET languages.

Mayube

yeah but then I might as well just keep writing it in C#, I'll use the .NET support to be able to keep using the Nuget packages I'm currently using

totallyhuman

maybe more eople will come in and reopen

it happened before

caird coinheringaahing

@totallyhuman that's what I was aiming for

Adám

@Mayube Using .NET in Dyalog APL:

TimeUser;⎕USING;begin;end
⎕USING←'System'
⍞←'Hit Enter twice, with as little delay in between as you can!'
{}⍞
begin←⎕NEW DateTime ⎕TS
{}⍞
end←⎕NEW DateTime ⎕TS
⎕←'You had a gap between your presses of:',end-begin

totallyhuman

15:10

tbf there are more people voting to reopen than people voting to close

seriously hammers are weird

Adám

Hm, .NET doesn't handle negative years.

Zacharý

15:29

> Names of other programming languages are Fortran, APL, Pascal, and PL/I.

(from cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/steele.pdf) does that indicate anything about the age of this talk?

Riker

@Christopher yes I'm planning on posting it but I still need to finish it

no you cannot have it

Adám

@Zacharý Brilliant speech.

Zacharý

What, just due to the fact he mentions APL, or actually brilliant, or both?

Adám

@Zacharý Actually brilliant. I hadn't seen his treatment of APL when I wrote that.

Reminds me of Thing Explainer language.

Zacharý

Yeah, I'll have to actually read it some time (instead of freaking out due to the email of the leader of Project Fortress being present at the top of the pdf)

flawr

15:47

@totallyhuman I would have hammered it as well, we already had a lot of really similar challenges about fibonacci and relatives

totallyhuman

16:07

If it reopens, please don't hammer it shut again >.<

Christopher

@Riker Ok

@WheatWizard past me was a bit dum

totallyhuman

well you're still on ppcg so...

Zacharý

Hey, @Adám is the problem in the quote "The name of a piece of user code is a word, but things that are built in are named by strange glyph" fixed by Dyalog APL's dfns?

Christopher

HEATHEN PPCG is not dumb!

Mayube

Every now and then, I'm thinking about how specific behaviour in Braingolf works under certain circumstances, and I realise I have no idea how braingolf would react until I test it

Zacharý

16:14

Wait, who is the creator of BrainGolf?

totallyhuman

mayube it's mayube

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Q: PRINT BIG LETTERS

Your task is to write a program that gets a string of uppercase letters as input and prints them in a bigger format using only the one letter that is currently printed out: Example: CAT becomes: CCCC AAA TTTTT C A A T C AAAAA T CCCC A A T Of c...

code-golf string ascii-art

Mayube

<--

Christopher

-25% byte count if it is a actual ascii art. (made with slashes like usual art)

-1/2*votes % byte count.

Zacharý

What is "specific behaviour" then?

Christopher

16:15

On a level of Dennis to me how bad is that voting bonus for code golf?

Mayube

Well in this case I was wondering what happened if you ran . (duplicate) on an empty stack

turns out it throws an index out of range error, which is what python throws when you pop from an empty deque

Zacharý

Link to github?

Mayube

oh believe me you don't wanna see the code

Braingolf Github

totallyhuman

*links*

oh nvm

Mayube

braingolf.py is the current interpreter, braingolf.js is a very early WIP re-write in node, that currently lacks almost all of the features

also I gotta say, I figured the new (...) loop would be super useful for certain challenge types when I added it, but so far none of those challenges have popped up since the one I added it for >.>

Christopher

16:17

Avocado

totallyhuman

avodad

Christopher

AVACADO How would you rate the bonus for code-golf i gave?

Mayube

@totallyhuman I'm guessing you gave up on using braingolf on ppcg? :P

Christopher

IS that the same as giving up on my brain?

totallyhuman

no but my first instinct is to try python

Christopher

16:19

@Mayube if you paid me to use braingolf i would use it

totallyhuman

and then i add features appropriately to my own language when i realize the challenge is impossible in my language

Zacharý

If you paid someone to use <insert language here> they would use it.

Mayube

hmm, how would you guys expect niladic +-/*^% to function?

totallyhuman

uhh some random useful constants?

Zacharý

+ no clue
- negative one
/ some fraction
* no clue
^ some high valued number
% 100

Mayube

16:21

hmm idk, what if you wanna access those constants when the stack isn't empty?

Zacharý

Don't make the same mistake I did, use implicit input.

totallyhuman

you can't have them do both at the same time

Mayube

@Zacharý / wouldn't work, because Braingolf only supports integers, but the others seem good

@Zacharý Braingolf's always had implicit input and output

Christopher

@Zacharý Even if you just gave me a upvote I would use it

Zacharý

O_O I'm assuming you want niladic +-*/^% when there is no input and the stack is empty.

Mayube

16:23

input goes directly to the stack

Zacharý

Oh, then have / + and * just push their code points for now, because I have no clue otherwise.

Mayube

I'm gunna make + push 20

because if the stack is empty, implicit output will just output a newline, which has an ASCII value of 10, and monadic + doubles the number

and in that same vein, / will push 5

^ will push 1,000,000

so I guess * will push 1,000

Adám

@Zacharý No, you still cannot name things with a glyph, except in ngn/apl. And you can't even add to the "primitives" that have English names (system functions). However, I see that as a strength. It is always clear which "Lego" pieces are immutable.

@Mayube The identity element for each one.

Zacharý

Well, sort of (∆). In the original APL, would you be able to call tradfns like left function right.

totallyhuman

@Adám wouldn't that be a waste?

0, 0, 1, 1, 1

Adám

16:35

@totallyhuman Is it for golfing?

totallyhuman

yup

>< 4 reopen votes

Adám

@totallyhuman Ah. Yeah, I guess random constants. But implicit input is neat in golfing langs.

Zacharý

Braingolf has implicit input, it pushes the arguments directly to the stack,.

totallyhuman

modulo doesn't have an identity element right?

Adám

@Zacharý Yes, that is a core tenant of APL. Dfns and tradfns work exactly the same seen from outside. One new thing is user defined operators and operands. That didn't use to be allowed.

@totallyhuman 0

totallyhuman

16:38

that's division by 0

Adám

@totallyhuman No, the other argument!

totallyhuman

any number greater than the number you are moduloing

>>> 0 % 42
0

Zacharý

Infinity.

totallyhuman

???

apparently i'm dominating the starboard o0

Zacharý

Or the highest number available in Braingolf (once you port to Node.js)

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Q: Subtract my odds from my evens

Given a non-negative integer, return the absolute difference between the sum of its even digits and the sum of its odd digits. Default Rules Standard Loopholes apply. You can take input and provide output by any standard Input / Output method This is code-golf, so the shortest code in bytes i...

code-golf number number-theory

Adám

@totallyhuman 17 mod-3 is 2 because the largest number 3n<17 gives 17-3n=2. 17 mod-0 is 17 because the largest number 3n<17 gives 17-0n=17.

Zacharý

Or one could define it in terms of remainder, in which case ...

a mod b=a-b floor(a/b)

totallyhuman

16:59

good god

hammered shut, reopened, hammered shut, reopened, vote to close

Wheat Wizard

I think a mod should probably lock it and we should discuss on meta. That amount of open/close activity is not normal

totallyhuman

yeah it's because of hammers >.>

in total, 3 close votes and 10 reopen votes

Wheat Wizard

Hammers exist for a reason

totallyhuman

not a good one

especially in ppcg

Wheat Wizard

if the most experienced users on the site think a question is a dupe it probably is a dupe

totallyhuman

17:02

but if 10 people who have the privilege to reopen it think it should be reopened, it doesn't matter?

Wheat Wizard

I think we need to discuss this on meta. I am not dismissing the inexperienced user's opinions. But I feel you are being a little flippant about the votes of the badge holders.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Java is to JavaScript as Car is to Carpet (Alternate title: Java is to JavaScript as Ham is to Hamster) code-golf string Title stolen inspired by Greg Hewgill's answer to What's the difference between JavaScript and Java? Introduction Java and Javascript are commonly used among programmers, ...

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Glue the Strings The task is simple, give a single string a and a list of strings, join the strings in the list with a as a separator. Specifics You may not use builtins that perform the above task (ex. Java's String.join, Python's str.join, etc.) You may write a function or a program You may...

Zacharý

Then again, Dennis did post an answer.

totallyhuman

i'm not arguing about their opinions

Wheat Wizard

I don't think opening and closing the same challenge over and over until one side runs out of votes is a productive way of dealing with the issue

totallyhuman

17:04

i'm saying the hammer is unjustified

@WheatWizard agreed

i walked into this knowing they'll be controversy, but the hammers make it weird

PhiNotPi

Something weird about Python I learned today: default arguments are mutable.

totallyhuman

mm it makes for bad golf

Zacharý

Oh yeaaaaaaaaah, I feel as if I had that problem before.

PhiNotPi

def counter(f = [0]):
    f[0] += 1
    return f[0]

Zacharý

Well ... when it's a list ... it sort of makes sense.

Wheat Wizard

17:11

@PhiNotPi A year or two ago I had an absolutely killer bug that was related to this. It took me weeks to figure out what was going on.

Adám

@PhiNotPi Ugh, does that change the value of f outside counter too?

Zacharý

No, it does not (I think)

Adám

@PhiNotPi It is just weird. How can counter know the name of its argument?

totallyhuman

alright imma just stuff answers into the question until it gets closed again

Zacharý

I have a feeling it'll get dupe hammered.

Wheat Wizard

17:14

@totallyhuman Are you writing a meta about the question? Do you want me to? I think it is best to address as soon as possible. I have already flagged for moderator attention.

totallyhuman

uh

PhiNotPi

@Adám No, it does not.

totallyhuman

should i incorporate into the current meta question?

Wheat Wizard

I don't think so

totallyhuman

mm ok

i'll write one up a bit later

Zacharý

17:15

codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/131763/55550, wow, those upvotes came fast.

totallyhuman

@Zacharý it's been hammered two times so...

Wheat Wizard

Only 46 hammers left

Zacharý

totallyhuman

><

aw kotlin doesn't have ternary operator

Zacharý

Let's hope if it gets closed, it does so without a hammer.

Uriel

17:23

@WheatWizard unlike SO, on PPCG the tag badges' hard part is the answers count.

Adám

Can you double-hammer if you have a gold of each of two tags that are on a post?

ascii-art is the only gold badge that someone who isn't Dennis has.

Zacharý

Which two people dupe-hammered the question?

totallyhuman

downgoat and peter taylor

Adám

@totallyhuman Downgoat should change username to Downgamr.

totallyhuman

aaaand i get an achievement for the question

Zacharý

17:33

If you're going to put any answers up ... then do it fast.

Downgoat

Question: what if your favorite implementation of submodules

@Adám .______.

Zacharý

@Downgoat what if your favorite implementation of submodules what?

Downgoat

@Zacharý just because it is an old question does not mean it isn't dupe ಠ_ಠ

@Zacharý like the way Java does it with packages, the way C does it with #imports

Zacharý

Oh, what is!

Then D's import.

What did that say?

Zacharý

17:59

Isn't there a Turing complete language utilizing C++ templates only?

Adám

@Zacharý Wait for the submodule!

Zacharý

>.<

Business Cat

Woo, first answer in my language

Zacharý

What language?

Business Cat

Even though it's not done it still beat everyone so far ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Gaia

Adám

18:07

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A: House of cards (version 1)

Gaia, 22 bytes :┅“/\“--”×¦¦_€|-1<¤±×n I have some planned operators that are still unimplemented that could golf this even further. Explanation : Push 2 copies of the input ┅ Get the range to the input. If positive: [1 .. n]. If negative: ...

Zacharý

Answer?

Ninja'd'

Business Cat

Sadly there's no docs and the parser is a horrible nightmare

I guess I should start writing some docs

Zacharý

Better parser than mine: bitbucket.org/zacharyjtaylor/my-language/src

My language is limited due to my laziness.

Business Cat

Um. Where is the parser

I just see function definitions

Oh nvm

Zacharý

Why ... why use ⁈ instead of interrobang (‽)

Business Cat

18:12

Because ⁈ is the opposite of ⁇

Zacharý

... how?

Wouldn't the opposite of ⁇ be ‼?

Business Cat

Well ⁇ is filter to just elements that pass the condition and ⁈ is filter to just elements that fail it. My thinking is query (?) for true (?), or query (?) for false (!)

Zacharý

Oh...

Business Cat

Considering ¿ is if-true-do and ¡ is if-false-do

By the way, is there an easy way to write arbitrary bytes to a file (in Windows)? I'm having some difficulty testing if my code page decoder actually works

Zacharý

open(...,"w").write("\x00\x11...")

Business Cat

18:19

I'll try that

Dennis

@EriktheOutgolfer 0 and -1 are off by all the bits.

Erik the Outgolfer

we're talking about arbitrary precision here, how do ∞ bits fit in your ram or something?

Zacharý

They don't, it's just that if you thoeretically had ∞ memory, then an integer could be any size.

Erik the Outgolfer

you wish...unfortunately no money for that...at least for me

Dennis

I didn't say infinite, I said all of them.

Erik the Outgolfer

18:26

you mean they're finite? I WAS LIED TO BADLY >.<

Helka Homba

@TheWanderer Yeah because YouTube then streams it at better quality (even at non 4k resolutions), though I record at 1920x1080 and just upsample it.

Christopher

I just posted a pop-con. Rip me

@Dennis You know what this means? Ternary computers are off by 2/3 of the bits

Zacharý

That's going to be closed fast.

Christopher

@Zacharý not a dupe

Read them both

Zacharý

Still ... vote to close.

Christopher

18:35

But the language is still usable. clear(this) would be invalid in JS

It removes every feature. All that should be done is the minimal removal of features that make JS TC

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Q: Make your language non Turing complete

The challenge: Write some code that when run makes your language non-Turing complete. However, the language must still function with every feature that does not allow Turing completeness. EX: Brainfuck code that prevents you from using > and non wrapping cells. Rules: Pop-con so most votes wi...

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Q: Trigger the chutes and protect the jackpot

You are going to participate in a gameshow. One of the challenges works as follows: The first room contains a large number of identical balls. The second room contains a series of chutes, each of which has a sensor which counts how many balls have been placed in it. A ball which is placed in a ...

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Zacharý

If the Dennis disapproves, then most likely it's not a good challenge.

Christopher

@Dennis did you disapprove?

Well he didn't VTC

Zacharý

Wouldn't that have hammered it?

Christopher

yes

Zacharý

18:38

That's why.

Erik the Outgolfer

@Christopher that's because diamond has hammer in it...people who own hammer need an extra level of confidence to vtc

Christopher

@EriktheOutgolfer Ah. I still deleted it as for some reason if the challenges have close concepts but a large difference in the voting criterion voters still vtc as dupe

Erik the Outgolfer

huh?

it's not deleted?

Christopher

I un removed it to leave it

Zacharý

I love how this community "downvotes things into oblivion".

Phoenix

18:48

@Zacharý Maybe because bad content should be downvoted?

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Zacharý

I understand that, but into oblivion...

Phoenix

Only the very bottom few get that many downvotes. The vast majority of bad challenges get a score of -2 or -3, which really isn't "oblivion"

Zacharý

Is there an example of this "oblivion" (got the term from the meta about languages newer than the challenge)

Oh, got one: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/123808/…

totallyhuman

why are there so many single star messages

Zacharý

Because people think it's going to be star-spam.

totallyhuman

18:54

also my question broke the first page barrier

yay

even though there's dozens of people tryna close it

Zacharý

No. I think they've stopped now.

totallyhuman

there are 3 close votes rn

Zacharý

It's gonna stay that way.

totallyhuman

what makes you think that?

Zacharý

It's been that way for a while.

> Can the truthy value be 0 and falsy value be anything but 0

How did you say that @totallyhuman

orlp

18:59

@PeterTaylor is it correct that for the n = 1 chute case there are only two viable strategies, putting the maximum number needed into a single chute or the minimum number needed into every chute?

Christopher

Click to see funny video at own risk

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