'eyy bois

CL's formatting strings make CL not Lisp-like for some reason

I'm about to make a challenge

about: Interpret your language

like PyPy and C

@MatthewRoh Python, 4 bytes: exec

Oh right

V/Vim can also do that very easily

I should probs find a way to prevent eval/execs

btw eval is evil

canvas is love

I had such a pretty bash answer to inf output, non repeating challenge: yes|sed -n =, but I'm pretty sure the internal counter of sed will overflow :(

hmm

If we think about that, every answer is invalid

no, not every answer

arbitrary precision counters are ok, because the memory is infinite

above it's only the default number type that is the problem

What is the inverse of the power?

Logarithm or root?

Then asking in the comments is probably the correct way

By the way people PLEASE HELP WITH TOMATO

docs.google.com/document/d/…

@wat n^2 or 2^n?

x^y

uhh

@MatthewRoh I already asked, but I'm sure numerical type overflows won't be allowed

probs log

k

What should the inverse of root be then?

x^2

root of n^2 is n, log2 of 2^n is n

hope it helps

no, it's y'th root of x

What is the variable and what is the constant

That question should probs come first

no constant

both variable?

pop 2 vars off stack, x and y. raise x to y.

hmm

wat: inverse functions only work if the number of inputs is the same as the outputs of the other function and vice versa

x^y, logx and you get y, yth root and you get x

did it help

if both are variable, they can not be inverse as they both return only one value from two input values

no, that is not what I mean.

Thats why I asked this

My language will have an operator to negate/invert the action of a function. I am tryingto find out what to make the negated version of raitsing to power.

> What is the variable and what is the constant

Seriously, check out tomato.

docs.google.com/document/d/…

@wat so um, well

@wat I think it would be better to see how inversing functions in mathematica works

I think what you want is f(F(x, 2), 2) = x?

no

where F is power function

@wat I don't think you are giving enough info or you are going for something impossible

Qo pops x, pops y, pushes x^y.

You mean, you put in x^y and you should get x and y?

I would like a logical thing to use for Qu.

No.

I'm using function notation?

so I'm thinking f in that expression is the one you want

Seriously, please look at the language spec.

is it?

no, I don't want the mathematical inverse.

I just want a logical operation for the "inverted" version of power.

Okay, This is getting worse, lets just see how inversing functions in mathematica works

that'd be logarithm generally

OK, thanks

I know that if you get a graph that is exponential and put it on its side it becomes logarithm or something

also I just realised the function notation I gave you suggests a root function :P

this could help?

also am I the only person that gets kind of annoyed at watt hours?

I mean, joules already exist people! Watts are pretty much just derived from them

What do you mean?

and then it messes up all the metric things cos you gotta multiply by 60 for it to be joules and stuff

Joules are work, Watt hours are capacity

no, watts are power

Pondering code-golf challenge for shortest code to crash the system it's running on

joules are energy, watt hours are energy

1 watt hour is 3600 joules

edited..?

hmm

you know, watts are joules/second, so joules are wattsseconds, and watt hours are wattsseconds*60*60

I mean Watt hours are derived from Amp hours

amp hours are charge

@DestructibleWatermelon Watt hour is also charge

volt amps is watts, so I get that, its just that there already is a unit for that

@MatthewRoh not in the same way

its just amp hours multiplied by voltage

I meant amp hours are the same units as coulombs, electric charge

Hmm

joules are a unit that exist

I think you are misunderstanding about the concept of amp hours and coulombs

and they just ignored it, for that nice 3600 multiplication factor when you wanna use it with joules

@MatthewRoh I am not

amps are coulombs per second

coulombs are amps * seconds

seconds got same type of units as hours

both measurements of electric charge

Amp hour is capacity that can be used in an hour

you know, it makes little difference

amp hour and coulombs measure the same thing

also I'm supposed to be working on my koth bot

for example if you have 3Ah of capacity and your load uses 3A, you can use it for an hour

not true

Batteries store energy and stuff

not charge

charge stays in the circuit and things

:\

WHY

WHY WOULD YOU EVEN DO THAT!?

wait wrong section?

yeah, but you don't have a capacity of charge that matters

when you're making electronics stuff

prove that

its all about the battery putting out the electric tension, and the amps flowing around the circuit, multiplied. the battery capacity basically just says how much energy there is in the battery to sustain that

batteries make voltage, not charge or current

batteries also store energy, not voltage or charge or current

I learnt it at school

also I'm kind of confused about how voltage works though, but anyway

School?

Australian science and mathematics school

Schools are always wrong at teaching physics

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

well now. this one is a different school

anyway, I should be working on my koth bot. speaking of which what should it be called

I figured out the first part is "hecksome"

what is the next part

I know!

the next part should be...

@MatthewRoh what is it boy!

'ಠ_ಠ'

its a meme isn't it :/

oh you ninja'd me

I knew it was a meme though

yes the name shall be hecksome ಠ_ಠ

no

overlord?

actually that'll be nice

ty

ok, so now onto the actual bot!

so, how does hecksomeOverlord search the maze...

hmm

so, I guess I'll code the thing that puts the maze in memory

Prim

not gonna work

I think the common algorithms rely on actually knowing where you are on the graph

or how the map is

Hello

hi @Qwerp-Derp the koth I'm making is mostly finished

wanna help me make a bot? or make your own?

its a graph maze?

@DestructibleWatermelon After like 3 months, finally!

I kinda want to play it now :)

quit judging my work ethic

"finally" is in an excited tone btw, not a condescending one

@MatthewRoh mazes can be represented as graphs

ik

So more like "finally, yay!" instead of "finally, took you long enough"

also this one is multiply joined also

But it did take you long enough TBH, so I'm kinda conveying both meanings here

yeah, I know

anyway my bot is HecksomeOverlord

Hecksome is gonna be a thing now

maybe in like 2588 mainstream culture digs up TNB transcripts and makes all the memes and hecksome gets put in the dictionary

anyway I don't really know where to start with programming this bot

also I have a github repo where you will be able to test stuff soon, but I haven't commited the finishing touches yet

I will add hecksome to wiktionary

please define hecksome

you can't do that wat

it hasn't become noteworthy yet

Wiktionary is not a joke

treat it with lispect

actually is lispect on wiktionary?

I'm planning to make CMQ a lisp-like

“Attested” means verified through[3]

clearly widespread use, or
use in permanently recorded media, conveying meaning, in at least three independent instances spanning at least a year (different requirements apply for certain languages).[4]

If anyone objects to that I can make it a normal(ish) lang

We need to put hecksome in newspapers

wait lispect is not there apparently ;_; the spongebob memes nooooo

OMG I kinda finished Algebra 2!!!!!

Now doing the "final knowledge check"

@DestructibleWatermelon Should I make a Lisp-like and call it Lispect?

Just for the memes

maybe

Alright I'm making a naming list for good names depending on what their language is based on

Excel: Excelsior
Lisp: Rhotacism

There's two right now

Lispect is kinda on the edge though, it's not a good name

I think you make a language to get people to lispect you, not make a language called lispect

That's why I changed the lisp language thing to rhotacism

I don't really get the "lispect" thing anyway

It went something like this

"we like stinky" "nuh uh we respect stinky!" "woah woah kids lets just say you lispect me"

Oh

That's not funny

@Mego u wot mate

@Mego Do you see what I did there for the Lisp-like language name?

of course its not funny the way I presented it?

Heyy

Ping me if you get what I did for the Lisp name

Please don't flag Spongebob conversations as offensive!

It was rude, not offensive

ok why is TNB going in to high contrast mode again

I said shut up as if being defensive of a thing I like because @Qwerp-Derp insulted spongebob

@Mego Wait wait wait was the "shut up" thing about Melon telling me to shut up?

Yup.

It was flagged as offensive without reading the entire context.

I probably should have written "... shut up"

how to disable "high contrast theme"

@Mego That's a bit hardline, I feel

of course there is very low contrast on the starboard

@Mego It's all about context.

@Qwerp-Derp Can you tell me to shut up?

no

@Fabby I might get my message thrown in the trash anyway though

wait did you just deping me!

D:<

@DestructibleWatermelon le gasp

@DestructibleWatermelon I clicked a link while someone was posting something and clicked on you instead of @Qwerp-Derp

you know, saying shut up in a jokey defensive way is about as offensive as stating nothing from spongebob is funny

@Mego But that message taken in context isn't disrespectful at all, it's a joke, which isn't really meant to be disrespectful at all, because it's not meant to be taken seriously.

And if I would ask @Qwerp-Derp to tell me to shut up and he dis that would be an example to @Mego that "shut up"can be appropriate.

Alright, y'know what, let's just get over this.

(or when quoting a comic, or a book, or, ...)

ok seriously TNB display is acting up right now

Is this a valid submission?

@Mego But I'm still keeping with my opinion on this, IMHO you're still taking this a little too hardline, I agree with the "shut up" thing disobeying the "Be Nice" policy, but when that message is put into context as being jokey, it's not meant to be taken seriously, and therefore shouldn't be violation the "Be Nice" policy.

ok but those tend to be bigoted jokes

@Mego Aren't jokes only offensive when the joker is targeting someone or some group as the "punching bag"? I'm not sure if there an example that encompasses more than that.

@Mego But "shut up" doesn't include any of that, and if meant in a joking way, shouldn't be offensive (unless you don't get the context itself).

Hooray for civil discussions! This is why I like SE chat more than Youtube comments or any other chat service.

@KritixiLithos Can't you just do millis() instead of frameRate to save a byte?

"more than Youtube comments" that's a pretty low bar :p

@Qwerp-Derp millis() returns a long that can overflow, but then again, millis need not be always constant

ok, why can't I push to my github repo?

it says incorrect username or password but I just logged in with them

Ok millis() seems pretty non-deterministic, I'll do that now, thanks :)

is it to do with my 2 factor authentication?

darn

@Fatalize "any other chat" at the end

@Mego You work at Google, right?

I remember you being offered a job but then it was a lie?

@Mego ??? Didn't you say you were going to work at Google, like, a few months ago? Did they still not put you in to any workplace yet?

@Qwerp-Derp wanna have a look at the repo on github? maybe start making a bot

@Mego just found that. Neat! Is it possible to request more code pages?

however there are no docs on how to make a bot

wait a minute...

@DestructibleWatermelon link?

did I even implement diagonal shooting...

Apparently I get to go on an excursion to Silicon Valley for one of my subjects

or diagonal moving...

@Mego Looking forward to it

(I'm sick of copy pasting :p)

I thought of improving my REPL to be able to input everything with just the keyboard but it's probably not worth the effort, and it wouldn't be useful for people that only use TIO anyway

@Mego What is Brython exactly

@Mego Skulpt but worse or better?

Also why not just use JS?

@KritixiLithos Wait hang on that might not be stored with arbitrary precision though

Does it matter if it overflows?

I think I'm confuse :(

But it still does not have to repeat

wait can I use deadfish~ on evolution of powers of two?

The interval between each result of millis always differs (from what I can see)

hmm probably not

martian chess as a koth maybe. Thoughts?

Why not?

well I'll get around to it after this koth

maybe even rando'd terrain

But make it so that any language can participate

well, that slows things down a lot I've learned

but maybe

Why not browser ruby instead?

also I just realised my BF code to generate a power of two is probably pointless considering that I could just generate the char code of zero and inc and dec and print that anyway

WHY PYTHON WHY

WHY ARE YOU SO BAD

^ thats offensive

can I flag it

to who? snakes?

ok wat do you have a sock that stars your posts?

no

i have a sock but it doesn't star my posts

> seen 8s ago, talked 56d ago

ok wat

who is that

Jarko Dubbeldam

Not me

do they just sit silently and watch the conversations unfold. "yes yes, all is going to plan"

"all is unfolding as I predicted it would"

tomato cheating quine: VO

Do any of you sleep? I get the whole timezones but still.

(Not trying to be offensive)

But I am kinda impressed

@ChristopherPeart yes

I was more thinking of wat :P But I guess you need sleep

Some people indeed seem online 24/7

My two sleep modes are "SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK" and "SLEEP IS FOR THE WEEK"

No intermediate level

I just had a interesting idea. A challenge that you write code that runs in 59 seconds and produces one output and uses the most CPU power. Now if you notice this is where I will not post it. This would be the anti TIO challenge. I may actually post this (in sandbox at first) if @Dennis would be OK with this. I currently do not think it should be posted as I love TIO and don't want any hurt to happen to it. But if Dennis says that TIO would be fine I may sandbox it

There are several problems with it but I think they could be worked out (except the TIO part)

The most CPU power is used by AVX instructions. I think you mean the most CPU time. The latter is rather trivial. E.g. an empty loop per thread per core will consume 100% CPU time, but it won't block other apps, on modern CPUs that is. So you'd have to shuffle random data through AVX in a loop for each core. This is the optimal solution and will always have the highest CPU utilization.

Guys i have a question its not related to codegolf, hope its still okay

I really want to get into Linux kernel programming and i have not found a single project where you can do and learn, like i did my LFCS certification i had terminal to try out so many possible scenarios with UNIX commands. any helpful input would be great!

I have books like LDD, Linux Programming Interface but not really practical examples, hope I'm not spamming! Thanks

What do you mean "a project where you can do and learn"?

And: Do you mean programming for the kernel or programming kernel mode programs?

@mınxomaτ By project i mean like writing my own kernel for ARM processor for instance, on Beaglebone or so. Writing High-level drivers for I2C, USB 3.x for example. i meant programming for kernel. Like compiling my own kernel modules.

That's two different things. For kernel modules you need to have a kernel. And I was confused by your "linux kernel" which lead me to believe you were talking about the linux kernel. If you want to get into kernel programming in general checkout wiki.osdev.org/Main_Page

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Hi. I thought of an idea for king of the hill. Is it a plausible idea?......................The initial state of a Conway's game of life is a 10*10 space with cells randomly filled in (but uncoloured). The rest of the space is blank. Each opponent program can view the board at any time. After every 10 generations, player 1 colours one cell red and player 2 colours one cell blue.

Coloured filled cells are treated the same as uncoloured filled cells when calculated which cells are filled in the next generation. However the colour of a cell that gets filled automatically in a generation depends on the colours of the cells that led to its creation. If only colourless cells were adjacent, it is formed colourless. If cell(s) of one colour were involved, it gains that colour. If both colours red and blue were adjacent, the dominant colour is chosen.

Objective of the game is to have maximum cells of your own colour at the end of, say, 100/1000 generations.

Will this kind of a game end up being too random or can it be played well by AI?

@ghosts_in_the_code I can think of a few different tactics for bots that might be good. I don't think the game would be too random and I'm not aware of an optimal solution so I think it could work well as a KotH.

But do get more opinions than mine (and be sure to sandbox it first). There are some experienced KotHers here that could give valuable input.

@ghosts_in_the_code my personal opinion is that this would become a battle of CPU time

Didn't we have a KotH GoL?

You would want to calculate as many iterations as you can ahead, doing alpha/beta pruning

@AdmBorkBork this one is a bit different, as the other one had them on separate sides

Ah, I'm fuzzy on the details.

@ghosts_in_the_code what happens if both players chose the same square?

@ghosts_in_the_code either way, you should use my KotH framework :)

I would say this should be moved to the sandbox for discussion.

I just added a bunch of stuff to my readme to make starting easier

I can't actually do the test running part because I don't know how to.

It was just an idea

Challenge discussion is still on topic here. I do agree it should be sandboxed :)

So if someone else wants to use it, then can

Unfortunately koth challenges have the biggest idea/work disparity: its so easy to come up with ideas, but the challenge takes the most amount of work

@DestructibleWatermelon 10 is less than 256

this is not true in some bases

e.g. base -10

eh

wait that's wrong offset right

ye that's the wrong offset

100 can be more than 2560 though

in base -10

@orlp Pavel was the one who said 10 is less than 256. Destructible Watermelon was just quoting him

I'm just responding to the starred message

I don't really care who said what