Heh, yes. The new language list should have made that a bit easier too. :)

Heh on tio.run/nexus "fish" is a practical language, while "><>" is a recreational language

oooh

@redstarcoder The neat thing is that ><> has the ID fish, while fish has the id fish-shell.

Tell that to PowerSh. :P

><> needs sockets

It's a tad too slow for my taste, but not too bad from what I could see.

@redstarcoder Huh?

.oO(What would a fish do with a socket?)

@Dennis are TIO interpreters linked to the Gits? i.e. would an update on the github page be usable on TIO?

Not yet. I'm working on that.

@Dennis Well that way I could have ><> control iot devices!

Or whatever the term for "networked relay" is

ok, I don't need anything updating, I was just wondering :P

@Flp.Tkc For now, please ping me if I have to pull something.

Make ><> control the lights on a fish tank ...

@Mego If you ever see a my-finger subdomain on TIO, rest assured it will be rickroll or worse.

gasp

rebecca.blackfriday or something like that.

It's hard to top that one though.

Once the anger passes, I find Never Gonna Give You Up quite enjoyable

it's a quality song

friday though.... :(

sometimes i voluntarily rickroll myself :)

Huh, apparently I need "only" $185,000 to create a .tio gTLD.

@Dennis This would be a newTLD, wouldn't it? But you'd be able to set an A record on the root, therefore making http://tio. a valid URL.

OK, that would be awesome.

@Dennis ...wat

Who authorized that to be a TLD

@Mego ._.

@Dennis but then you'd be in charge of selling rights to use various .tio sites, right?

await death();

.ppcg

.tnb

I want .x to be an actual gTLD. Sell shorturls for temporary usage to corporations, mmm...

I'd vote for .se, but Sweden ruined that idea.

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC x.x.x

Huh, web.data produces "ERR_ICANN_NAME_COLLISION", an error I've never seen before.

^

same with lol.dev

@quartata I BEAT PERLS PRIME GENERATION

  ✓ Prime gen              x 142 ops/sec ± 0.00%
     Average: 7.03    ms
     Cycles : 2 total

Noice :o

??

@Downgoat how?

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC majik

7 ms? I'd be surprised if C could do that with trial division

What did you do?

That is secret

But no, I did not cheat

hardcode first 1000 primes :)

@Downgoat how, really how?

You'll see once I push to GH

I am going on project to basically replace cheddar's entire internals with much faster versions

@Downgoat Erm...

@Downgoat Maybe you'll fix my CheddarRational code, then :P

:/

That is assigned to you

:3

:/

Can't read your API anymore

Though yeah, I'll probably replace CheddarRational with a much faster, extensible, infinite precision version

@LegionMammal978 :/ I have docs tho: docs.cheddar.vihan.org

@Downgoat I told you, I'll replace mine 6-8 weeks after you finish writing up bigints

uh huh

Apologies if this is off-topic, but a while ago I found an interesting property of 1089: 1000/1089 = 0.918273645546372819000.... and ever since I found this out, I've wondered if it actually had any use. Do you guys think it could? The best use I could think of is using it in a loop to move both directions in one variable

@Zavada It's ...28191000...

@Downgoat I find that pretty hard to believe considering pure Node does it in 70 milliseconds with startup time eliminated

after 55?

then 1/1.089 would be shorter

@Zavada It's 0.(9182736455463728191000)

C does it in 2 milliseconds. That's basically the lower limit.

Oh oops, I thought the pattern continued because I didn't go far enough :S still, would going to the 55 have any use?

@quartata C generates 1000 primes in 2ms or primes < 1000?

@Zavada Also, 1089 is a factor of 9999999999999999999999.

@Downgoat Primes less than 1000.

ok. Lemme do a check to see how fast cheddar does on 1000 primes

The heck?

Oh.

@Downgoat docs.cheddar.vihan.org/Default%20Operators/Actually%20Is.html ಠ_ಠ

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Is there a problem?

Nice to know @LegionMammal978! Also a longer version I've dug up: 0.91827364554637281910009182736455

@Zavada But yeah, just seems coincidental that 9182736455463728191*1089 = 9999999999999999999999

@orlp thats exactly how the proof works=)

Well 1089 is 33^2

@Downgoat Looks like Perl 5 does it in 5 ms

rather apropos

@Zavada Misread the exponents

@quartata Well to be fair that benchmark includes the time it took to start cheddar parser and all. Try on generating 10,000 primes

@Downgoat Dude, that benchmark said 7 ms.

Lemme try it on other bases

Unless you're literally rewriting Cheddar in C I don't see how you can improve upon native JS speed which was 70 ms

Or maybe I'm hallucinating that test case which is entirely possible since I've been Steam-deprived for several days

  ✓ primes   (= 1000) x 27 ops/sec ± 0.00%
     Average: 36.25   ms
     Cycles : 2 total

@orlp not really cheating=) good job!

okay I can generate 1000 primes in 36ms now

You have me really confused

What is actually going on here

I made cheddar fast :D

No, I know that. But I'm pretty sure your timer is inaccurate because native JS is ten times slower.

You can't really improve orders of magnitude on your implementation language

That's why these languages are written in C

well you're probably writing slow JS prime generation code

It's exactly the same as the Cheddar one.

for (var i = 2; i <= 1000; i++) {
  var found = 0;

  for (var j = 2; j <= Math.sqrt(i); j++) {
    if (i % j == 0) {
      found = 1;
    }
  }

  if (!found) {
    console.log(i);
  }
}

@Zavada Interesting! 0.(716253443526171000) in base 8 is equal to 8^3/567.

I'm not counting built-ins here aside from sqrt since those are all written in C. That defeats the point of the benchmark.

Ima try and find a pattern

^ TIO is also kinda slow

1+1=2 has citation needed on wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addition#Notation_and_terminology

@quartata j <= Math.sqrt(i) -> j * j <= i for faster timing

@LegionMammal978 Nice find! I'm not personally the best at math so the help + interest is much appreciated!

@LegionMammal978 That's not what matters though.

Since the Cheddar one also does that

It's about setting a comparison

Does anyone happen to know if there's a way to merge cells (or a rowspan property) in a GitHub-style Markdown table? I'm putting together an operator precedence table for Pip and I want it to look something like this C++ one.

@Mego Let me try again. I seem to get a lot of noise time-wise when running Node

@Mego don't worry, it was a really boring movie so there's really not much things which can be spoiled by spoilers

Still, 35 milliseconds to 7 is an order of magnitude difference IMO

I think that different computers is affecting timings though

@Zavada From base-2 onwards, the sequence goes 9, 32, 75, 144, 245, 384, 567, 800, 1089..., can't find the pattern

CMC: # of files in your home directory (find ~ -maxdepth 1 -type f|wc -l)

112 in mine

That's only slightly worse than C. That's why I'm confused

Perhaps the Math.SE folks could help

@quartata ^

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC What?

@Dennis tio.run/nexus seems to be down. Tested with MATL and CJam

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC 485

@quartata agreement

@LegionMammal978 Good idea, I'll check it out there! I've got to go for now, though. Thanks for the help!

@LegionMammal978 eyes pop

@Mego Now for me too. Thanks

@Dennis Sorry

@LuisMendo I just updated something. Between starting and finishing the write process, there could be glitches.

Weird, I have a file ~/$ containing rq and a newline

I'll also plug it into the wolfram pattern finder :p

I think it may have come from my brute-forcing Mathematica programs

@Dennis Ah, ok. It was in case you didn't know

rq>>$ or some such nonsense

what is an invalid ELF header

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC The full list

@Downgoat An invalid ELF header is an ELF header that is invalid

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC 7. Just spun up a new Ubuntu on VirtualBox yesterday. :D

@LegionMammal978 orly, wow, thanks for all helps

@Downgoat stackoverflow.com/a/2068548/1459669 remove import psyco and use pypy to run, with primesfrom2to; how fast is python

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC idk you are python dude :P

@quartata wait do oyu use windows

@Downgoat but I don't have your cpu; we need to benchmark

cheddar vs. c vs. pypy

@Downgoat No, of course not.

@Mego My hat is the fanciest though

Quality trumps quantity every time

> flag_@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ I have a theory that you have become a bot posting these flags :_.png

You might wanna implement numpy for cheddar - numpy is basically implementing mass numerical computation (w/ arrays and stuff) in native c that has a pythonic api to speed stuff up for big number crunching

:P

agh, the world's most unreadable python code:

import numpy
def primesfrom2to(n):
    """ Input n>=6, Returns a array of primes, 2 <= p < n """
    sieve = numpy.ones(n/3 + (n%6==2), dtype=numpy.bool)
    for i in xrange(1,int(n**0.5)/3+1):
        if sieve[i]:
            k=3*i+1|1
            sieve[       k*k/3     ::2*k] = False
            sieve[k*(k-2*(i&1)+4)/3::2*k] = False
    return numpy.r_[2,3,((3*numpy.nonzero(sieve)[0][1:]+1)|1)]

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Yeah. I'm trying to create python bindings for Cheddar. However I have no idea how Python libraries actually work so yeah >_>

By the way @Downgoat I added that thing you wanted to TF2Goat

pull pls

will do. lemme fix cheddart first tho

stupid windows always being weird

IE : Browsers :: Windows : OSes

@Downgoat I can help

> cheddart

@TuxCopter Pretty sure that was deliberate.

somebody hack microsoft and wipe windows off of computers everywhere

ಠ_ಠ

So you weren't implying Cheddar is art?

trumpaccountability.democrats.org

@quartata I mean it is but it was not desired

@DLosc I tried to do that with Jellyfish. It turned out to be impossible.

Holy crap I just got five hats at the same time

I think I'm going to remake this challenge-- it has a lot of potential but is horribly underspecified

anythign against?

Huh, this is a curious xkcd comic from today:

Um...

....that's not from today?

and that's highly inappropriate.

It's not even really from xkcd >_>

Oh boy, we couldn't figure that out

Good thing I'm here then :)

wait it wasn't

what

"Sorry 911! I sent you after the wrong guy!"

@Geobits Thank you. May you continue to grace our Internet with your wisdom

I do what I can. I only pray it is enough.

It's been a few months, but Fastly execs approved the contract and they will be sponsoring the bandwidth for future alwsl releases. The delay way longer than I hoped, but I'm glad they finally came through.

^ I was bored so I made this

nice, but wtf is behind dennis?

@TuxCopter hahaha, I love it

@Flp.Tkc It kind of looks like an uncolored reichtangle.

@Flp.Tkc Based on a /r/polandball joke, The Reichtangle

Could I have some more reviews on meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/8744/32686?

This is highly accurate but why am I just saying Neat

idk

0/10 minimal character development

;_;

@TuxCopter can I be in next one? :3

^

k

@quartata Then what do you want to say in the next version?

@DJMcMayhem has to be saying a great pun about ham

as promised in his chat user "about" section

@TuxCopter Oh I don't care

@muddyfish Maybe I didn't read deep enough, but isn't it essentially the same as King of the Walls?

lol, k

why did you delete your joke @TuxCopter ;-;

I was about to link you to this meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/1070/60919

@quartata Welcome to the club!

@Geobits Apparently except that my one has blocking walls

why do you all have so complex avatars it's hard to draw them in paint

Do we really do duplicates of KOTHs?

@muddyfish What do you mean by blocking walls? Just not wraparound?

@Flp.Tkc or something about vim

@Geobits yes

Ah, okay.

Probably the same-ish strategy would work then :/

@Geobits I guess I could add more than 2 players

That would be interesting. You could even do a free-for-all on a really big board.

A free for all would actually be really awesome

Though I think the basic strategy wouldn't change much. Look for the biggest open area and head to it.

There were only 7 bots for that though

@Geobits Enough for it to be a dupe? It's a KOTH and was ran ~3 years ago

I don't think KOTHs tend to be accessible to others after they close

It's probably okay, at least in my opinion. There may be some strategies I'm not looking at for multiplayer.

Also at the moment I'm going Python only

that's going to significantly increase the speed of the competition

Eww, now I have to learn super basic python :P

I can't think of a ham pun for DJ :/

@Geobits I think you should learn super advanced python.

I'm not really a big fan of most SAP stuff.

@Geobits edited

@muddyfish Cool. I'll have to look at it later though. Headed out the door right..... now.

:3

'night

"dupe" lmao

@Flp.Tkc totally accurate, lol