The Nineteenth Byte

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

17:00

> "If I feel unhappy, I do mathematics to become happy. If I am happy, I do mathematics to keep happy."

s/mathematics/programming

trichoplax

Today I discovered we have Personal Productivity. A new and interesting way to procrastinate...

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Maltysen

roflamo

trichoplax

I've closed the tab or I'll lose hours in there... :)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

Hai

@trichoplax hahaha

trichoplax

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Maybe we should link it from our help page for when PPCG addiction gets out of hand...

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

17:14

Yes

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

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A: How addicted to Stack Overflow are you?

I've managed to break the addiction recently, but back in November I gained 200 reputation points on my wedding day, and on each day of my week-long honeymoon.

Much formatting, such wow.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

I'm back in chat, but won't be talking as I'm waiting for Upgoat.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Why aren't you talking?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

He should be coming sometime soon, as I estimated.

Upgoat

vine.co/v/OYlIr0xTvtK

^ me trying to use node debugger

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

17:21

I guessed right with a 2 min error :D

@Upgoat Could you please come to the zyabinVI beta room?

Upgoat

Okay

Maltysen

@Upgoat you type by running into walls? that explains the typos

Upgoat

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 I am not see text of where I type on Gitter which is why my typing is nonsense >_>

ill get back when I'm on computer

flawr

@El'endiaStarman Finally a nice montage that doesn't always skip back and forth: youtube.com/watch?v=sK5yIYEP9ao

El'endia Starman

@flawr That's pretty cool.

Upgoat

17:36

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 link?

What should be outputted when you attempt to print a class. Not an instance of a class?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Thanks, I just read the entire thing instead of writing code :P

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Lol, you're welcome.

There's also this:

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Q: How to stop my husband from answering your questions?

Possible Duplicate: How can I keep from getting addicted to Stack Overflow? It is time for him to take care of our life problems.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Seriously, get him out of the house, away from the computer. Drinks and dinner are a great start. Less clothing is also good. Nerds are human first and foremost. — CrazyCoderz Sep 4 '11 at 13:59

Upgoat

OH MY GOD YES, CHEDDAR ACCESSORS AND OBJECTS WORK \o/ \o/ \/o \o/ o\/ \iu/\/o\ /o\/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/

cheddar> String.letters
"abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

> See "Pair Programming"

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Bigtoes

17:44

Pears go well with cheddar.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Eww, gross.

Wat is that?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

it's a window covering the chat screen

Bigtoes

An anti-censor bar?

flawr

the impending doom of darkness

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

17:46

Tom Petty - Free Fallin'

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I'm in an old music mood.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

no

John Mayer - Free Fallin' (Live at the Nokia Theatre)

►

There we go

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

That's amazing. I don't generally like John Mayer, but that's really cool.

flawr

dafuq

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A: golf atan2

JavaScript, 145 bytes Graphical representation is more convenient to me (sorry if not valid, I'll delete it then) :) (x,y)=>{(d=document).write`<canvas>`;c=d.querySelector`canvas`.getContext`2d`;c.moveTo(0,25);c.lineTo(25,25);c.lineTo(0,25+y/x*25);c.stroke()} Demo (accepts two coords, comma-d...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

o_o

flawr

Who the heck upvoted it now??

Upgoat

17:58

@flawr oh :| I thought it was valid

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Haha, I thought it draws the number, cause I entered (2, 3) and it looked like a 7. (I didn't check the test IO)

flawr

Well I have to admit the idea was creative, and I really had to look for a reason why this did not comply with the specs=)

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Help debug my new prefix calculator

I might send it to Code Review if you like it. :3

flawr

RPN?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@flawr R P N.

Upgoat

18:05

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 idea for zyabin101: a RPN calc

flawr

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 So you mean NPR? :D

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@flawr I mean PN.

@Upgoat It's hard, as my best attempt had the arguments switched for - and /.

Upgoat

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 what is hard?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

it seems to be a long-winded way of getting the result of something

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Upgoat Have the argument order right.

Okay, I'll make the output implicit after every operation.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Check the program now.

Welcome to Pfxcalc. Type 'help' for more information.
>> help

        Pfxcalc is a prefix notation calculator.
        Prefix notation, aka Polish notation, is a form of notation for logic,
        arithmetic and algebra, like infix and postfix (reverse Polish)
        notation.

        The expression '+ 3 4' in prefix notation is as valid as '3 + 4' in
        infix notation, as well as '3 4 +' in postfix notation.

        Every computation starts with entering a command and the result is
        printed *and* saved in a variable that can be recalled by entering

Upgoat

18:11

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 cool

does it have things like +3 ans

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Nope.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

If it were a calculator, I'd want to be able to type things like +3 4 and get a result

Upgoat

you should add that

^^

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Upgoat You can do + / 3 / result.

Upgoat

If it were a calculator I'd like it to be infix though >_>

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 wat

isn't / divide

7/10 very confusing

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

18:12

I give it / / 10

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Upgoat Slashes here divide the commands.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I don't know how to do it.

Upgoat

why?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 It's not too hard.

Upgoat

it shouldn't be too hard

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

It is equivalent to + <return> 3 <return> result.

Upgoat

18:14

just match /[+-*\/]|(\d+(\.\d+)?|\.\d+)|(ans)/

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

(>_>)?

Then how to parse it?

Upgoat

regex

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@_@

Upgoat

import re; re.findall(r'[+-*\/]|(\d+(\.\d+)?|\.\d+)|(ans)', input())

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

It's hard to understand.

DanTheMan

18:16

You're well on your way towards obfuscation

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

It's not good code.

El'endia Starman

@Upgoat Wait...what is this? Python 3?!

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@El'endiaStarman Python 2.

El'endia Starman

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Your code is, but I think Upgoat's is Python 3.

DanTheMan

Python 2: Electric Boogaloo

Upgoat

18:19

@El'endiaStarman idk how to python pls halp

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

So, should I submit the Pfxcalc code to Code Review?

commitstrip.com/en/2016/06/17/…

Latest commit strip.

El'endia Starman

@HelkaHomba: Dude, I tried to design something very similar to, if not almost exactly the same thing as your block elevator, but tried to use it only for player transport and never thought about using it for blocks!

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

I'm making a poll based on it soon.

El'endia Starman

Also, wow, savage. Just bumping that villager off into nothingness. What did they ever do to you?!?

DanTheMan

@El'endiaStarman What?

El'endia Starman

18:22

Redstone Bric-a-brac: Block Elevator (1)

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Oh sweet kinetic sculpture! :D

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

What the f(coder count) = time to ship function should be?

Upgoat

18:41

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 :D I found bug in strawpolll

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Alright, based on apparent attention on anything except me, I see that I shouldn't submit the Pfxcalc code to Code Review.

Upgoat

it says Domain {0} on voting and Domain {1} on results

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 why not?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Another bug: the stylish checkboxes don't work!

@Upgoat Okay, I will! :D

Upgoat

:D \o/

cheddar> b.letters
readline.js:925
            throw err;
            ^

10/10 most descriptive error node

> throw err;

;-; chedr is off starboard

Fatalize

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Do you really base everything you do based on this chat? If so you should stop

flawr

18:48

@El'endiaStarman Fun stuff: mathworld.wolfram.com/Hexlet.html together with mathworld.wolfram.com/KollrosTheorem.html

trichoplax

@El'endiaStarman Now I'm going to read all Helka's posts in Helka's voice... :)

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Here go the begots...

from plugs import shameless

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Q: A prefix notation calculator that asks about everything step by step

I made a prefix notation calculator. Prefix notation, aka Polish notation, is a form of notation for logic, arithmetic and algebra, like infix and postfix (reverse Polish) notation. The expression '+ 3 4' in prefix notation is as valid as '3 + 4' in infix notation, as well as '3 4 +' in postfix...

python calculator

DanTheMan

Is there a way to suggest features for Cheddar?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@DanTheMan The most common way is to ask @Upgoat with the tag cheddar-request in either here or the Cheddar room.

DanTheMan

Thanks

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

19:17

Chat mini challenge: Reduce the arguments given over division

El'endia Starman

@flawr Oooh, interesting.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101

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A: A prefix notation calculator that asks about everything step by step

Use a shebang at the beginning This is something like #!/usr/bin/env python or #!/usr/bin/env python2, and helps interpreters know how to run it. Remove some of the unnecessary comments Comments are good. Excessive comments are just hard to read. e.g. elif cmd == "+": x = (lorr_input("...

I gtg wash the car, bye!!

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ MyEpicLang, ∞ bytes: message too long to send apparently

/s

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ bai

Upgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ wait wat bye? no bai D:

gcampbell

@Upgoat baidu?

Upgoat

19:30

The Yeah Goat

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gcampbell

Urban dictionary "bai": "short for 'bien tai', which in mandarin means perverted, deviant, abnormal."

Upgoat

no it means drinkbai.com

gcampbell

@Upgoat horse !== goat

Upgoat

No you have to use JavaScript quadruple equals (new ES6 feature): horse ==== goat

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Upgoat Quadruple equals?

horse and goat have to submit DNA samples to confirm that they are equal?

gcampbell

19:35

it's the opposite of Ruby, confusingly.

But Ruby's === is more helpful.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Upgoat okay

back

:P

will be gone though

Maltysen

@Upgoat are you serious or is this a joke?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

holy fuck

Upgoat

@Maltysen no I'm serious

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

nvm

Upgoat

19:36

look at babel es2015 features

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

i leave for 5 min and come back to 37 rep more

gcampbell

upgoat ========== serious

Maltysen

@Upgoat what does it do?

Upgoat

@Maltysen checks if the same object

e.g. 5 === 5 but var a = 5; then a === a

Maltysen

...they couldn't have called it is?

Upgoat

19:37

idk

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

so wait you're dead serious

[citation-needed]

Maltysen

it doesn't work in chrome

RenderSettings

series of tubes

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

nor in firefox

Upgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ definetly (no :P)

Maltysen

19:38

nor in jsoverson.github.io/es6repl

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh, thank god

Upgoat

btw anyone wanna halp make cheddar standard libs

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

nevermind.

Upgoat

(only thing you can't make yet is functions though)

but you can maek clases

;-;

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

you're talking to a functional programming guy

Upgoat

19:40

pls halp maek funcshin pls den?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

um

Idk how

Fatalize

"you can't make functions" "cheddar is finished"

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Fatalize for the standard lib

Upgoat

@Fatalize hey you don't ned fucntions to be turing complet languag

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ idk even how function design should be

i have stupid design on whtieboard but it wont work even

doesnt support lambda vs functions

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

so wait you haven't even implemented functions in cheddar?

Upgoat

19:42

those are hard

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

let's go to the cheddar room >_<

Upgoat

in slack?

Fatalize

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ haha

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Upgoat slack or se

Upgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ cheddarlang.slack.com/messages/general/details

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

19:44

@Upgoat This link is no benefit to people who aren't participants of the cheddarlang organization. >_>

Like me.

Upgoat

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 it doesn't let you sign up?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Upgoat Nope.

Martin Ender

someone remind me, is the character limit 20k or 30k?

Maltysen

I have an idea for a 2d stack esolang, anyone mind giving me their thoughts?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

I have to ask for a ticket from the organization admin.

Martin Ender

19:48

@Maltysen always :)

Maltysen

it'll be made entirely out of ^s and vs

gcampbell

@Maltysen Have you got a name for it yet?

Maltysen

no

so in each vertical stack, each consecutive set of either ^ or v will collapse, until it reaches the other character, and then based on its length, it will translate to a command

Martin Ender

example?

Maltysen

^
^
^
V

will say be the command for +

gcampbell

19:50

so a bit like Lenguage, but possible in this universe.

Maltysen

@gcampbell but its 2d

the other part is that in this way, each stack collapses to a single value

which leaves you with another stack, which also gets executed

i'm still working out the details of the stack collapsing, but that's the gist

Upgoat

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 ;-; if your okay with giving me your email i can invite you. else idk

Helka Homba

@El'endiaStarman :)

Martin Ender

@Maltysen I don't quite see yet where the 2D-ness is and how you build new stacks at runtime

Maltysen

@MartinEnder well the stack i had as my example is one of many stacks

in another "horizontal stack"

El'endia Starman

19:55

@HelkaHomba Oooh hey, would it work as a player transport if you stood on a block?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Maltysen example program?

Maltysen

so it kinda be you have to write the program, character by character with a program for each character, except you can do some of the program logic in each character thing

El'endia Starman

@MartinEnder 30k

Maltysen

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ i don't have any of the commands worked out yet

Martin Ender

@El'endiaStarman phew :)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

19:57

do you plan on posting a 30k char message here?

Helka Homba

@El'endiaStarman I didn't think of that but I don't think there's enough headroom, and the block would slide out from under you when pushed horizontally

Martin Ender

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I meant on main, actually

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh

Martin Ender

writing up explanations for the 16 logic gates in Hexagony...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh, cool!

Helka Homba

20:05

@El'endiaStarman Though testing a bit more, use as a player elevator seems to usually work if the first couple pistons properly work. So maybe tweaking them is all that's necessary.

El'endia Starman

Another thing to investigate: is it possible to build an elevator that does not travel in a square helix?

Upgoat

Nocturnal Screaming Sheep

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goat/10 would creepy agai

Helka Homba

@El'endiaStarman That slime elevator that I made on the ppcg server works well for players (in singleplayer at least :I). Though for blocks there are probably other designs.

Though something that can lift gravity affected blocks limits things a lot

El'endia Starman

I meant using the same piston method, just wiggling it differently.

New Main Posts

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Q: Create a polish notation calculator

Your task is to create a polish notation calculator. For those who don't know what is polish notation, it's a mathematical notation where operators are before the operands. Eg: + 1 2 = 1 + 2 Your calculator should implement integer addition, substraction multiplication and division. Standard ...

code-golf

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

20:15

In Minecraft 1.9, what is the text in the bottom right corner that says an in-game action, like "Villager mumbles"?

Helka Homba

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Subtitles. You can deactivate it in Menu -> Options -> Music & Sounds -> Show subtitles

Optimizer

episode 7 on its way

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

The Force Awakens?

Upgoat

In git, how do I drop all commits before a certain commit (e.g. all commits before HEAD~25). Google is not helping >_>

Maltysen

@Upgoat IIRC reset?

Upgoat

20:25

that drops all commits after a certain commit

Maltysen

@Upgoat oh wait what

why do you want to do that?

Upgoat

fix my history

it's completely borkedked

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

hallo

Upgoat

hai

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

hai

Optimizer

20:27

@Upgoat rm -rf .git

this fixes your history

Upgoat

ಠ_ಠ

only one branch is borked

and that branch has important commits I need to save

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

rm -rf .git/branchname?

@HelkaHomba are you planning on doing another mc let's play today?

Optimizer

@Upgoat git is not meant for that kind of use cases.. changing past can have serious butterfly effects

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@El'endiaStarman probably

Upgoat

I could do git checkout -b release-1a master; git merge --no-ff develop. But that'll only keep the top commit

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

20:29

@Optimizer relavent

Upgoat

y u do dis git

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

give up

play tf2 with me

give me extra phlog

i need phlog

Upgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ how giv u flog

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

by giving phlog

Upgoat

how

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

20:29

giv valve avocad juic and tehy weel

Helka Homba

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I'll probably record one but it would be published tomorrow since I already released a video today

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

o_O wai it no show up

R. Kap

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ No, I would not mind at all.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

okay

Optimizer

> git checkout ppcg-design
> ppcg-design not found

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

20:30

brb 100 rep bountying

Upgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ how giv valv avocad juic. do thy aksept hay?

@Optimizer ?

R. Kap

I am currently trying to self-learn Java

Optimizer

@HelkaHomba episode 7?

Helka Homba

yes

R. Kap

It's a really syntax heavy language

Optimizer

20:31

@R.Kap function syntax is weird. lambda x something something

Upgoat

@R.Kap You should learn Cheddar if you're learning a new language. It's what all the cool ~~goats~~ kids are using these days

R. Kap

So much more different than what I am used to in Python 3

Upgoat

does windows have make built-in?

Optimizer

windows dont need make up

Upgoat

but maek is gud

R. Kap

20:32

Really amazes me how much we have innovated in terms of computer languages.

Upgoat

@R.Kap I know. Who would of ever thought of [ for "if the byte at the data pointer is zero, then instead of moving the instruction pointer forward to the next command, jump it forward to the command after the matching ] command"

R. Kap

I mean, way back then we had Java, which took several hundred bytes to do even the simplest of things. Now we have languages like Pyth that can do those simple things in a matter of a single byte...

Upgoat

@R.Kap well it depends at what level you're looking at. At machine code, those several hundred bytes were will several (hundred) thousand bytes shorter at the machine-code level, then something like pyth

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Well sure, but that's only impressive in the context of code-golf.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@R.Kap I can reward in 24 hours. Thanks for answering!

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

20:35

Java's certainly a lot more readable and easier to learn than pyth

R. Kap

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ All right, that's cool. :)

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

It all depends on what your goal for the language is.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@R.Kap :D

R. Kap

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan That's true.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan I beg to differ. —_—

R. Kap

20:37

I still find it amazing that in Java it would take several thousand bytes to print the entirety "99 Bottles of Beer" whereas Seriously can do that in 1 single byte...

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

1 byte isn't impressive.

That 1 byte represents thousands of bytes of internal code that you don't see.

It just happens to mean someone thought it would be a fun/useful/clever builtin.

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I beg to differ with your differ-ing. Sure, you or most of the users on PPCG could learn pyth pretty easily, but that's because they enjoy coding enough to do it for fun, and presumably already know at the very least one language, but probably several. If you had to teach pyth to someone who's never coded before, they would have a hard time.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I honestly don't think so. (aka I beg to differ with your differing of my differing. (

R. Kap

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Can't argue against that logic though.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

On the other hand, lot's of people who have never coded before start with java. (or at least they used to.)

R. Kap

Although there are all these languages which can do many things in a very few number of characters, those languages will still never be as popular and have the same functionality as Java.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

20:42

@R.Kap Exactly. These languages are designed for the purpose of using as few bytes as possible, whereas languages like java are designed to be easy and powerful.

Golfing languages are still impressive though.

Especially if you think of it from an information theory standpoint.

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ So you think someone with no prior programming experience could pick up pyth as quickly as they could pick up java?

R. Kap

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Yup. And you're right, they are still impressive for what they can do in a few number of characters.

Maltysen

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan I agree with you on the point of picking them up for someone who has never programmed before, but I honestly think that Pyth is easier to write code in than Java

maybe not in terms of maintainability, error-proneness, etc... but :P

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Well, I've never used java or pyth, so I can't argue with that.

:P

Although I could compare, say, MATL and C.

Though that's not really fair since C is a pain in the ass.

R. Kap

Although Java is really syntax heavy, it is also very descriptive and everything is broken up into blocks, so you can almost instantly know what the entirely of the code does without having to look through a lot of documentation. However, in Pyth, everything is together in one single line, and a lot of actions take just a single letter, so it's not really easy to figure out what a sample of Pyth code does without checking documentation unless you have some sort of photographic memory.

Same thing goes for writing code in Java and Pyth.

Martin Ender

does anyone need a bedtime story?

1

A: Golf all the 16 logic gates with 2 inputs and 1 output!

Hexagony, 89 bytes Thanks to FryAmTheEggman for some necessary inspiration for the XOR solution. 0000 !@ 0001 ?.|@! 0010 #?#!)@ 0011 ?!@ 0100 +?|@!? 0101 ??!@ 0110 ?<@!!<_\~( 0111 ?<<@! 1000 )\!#?@{ 1001 (~?/@#! 1010 ??|@!) 1011 \#??!1@ 1100 ?(~!@ 1101 ?.|@!) 1110 ?$@#)!< 1111 1!@ All program...

El'endia Starman

20:53

Needs a link for [Try it online!][1].

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@MartinEnder Hit me

Martin Ender

@El'endiaStarman oh thanks, copy-paste fail

quartata

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ phlog is trash, don't bother

@MartinEnder niice. always enjoy your diagrams and explanations on hexagony solutions

Martin Ender

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan the link has 16 of them, that should make you sleepy enough ;)

@quartata thanks :)

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

That is one of the longest solutions I have ever read.

Martin Ender

20:56

well it's partially due to the fact that it solves 16 problems...

I tried to keep each section short but some of them are just messed up

I also discovered a feature of my own language through one of the programs :D

El'endia Starman

What are you guys talking about? I'm still only on AND...ye can't have read it all already?!

quartata

@Upgoat General rule of thumb: if it's a POSIX utility Windows doesn't have it

@El'endiaStarman I'm on B implies A

In fact, even more general rule: if it's useful Windows doesn't have it

El'endia Starman

ಠ_ಠ

Adnan

@quartata ಠ_ಠ

quartata

@Adnan honest truth

since Overwatch doesn't really qualify as "useful"

Adnan

20:58

yeah, it's probably true though :p

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@quartata Windows has bash now.

quartata

May 17 at 0:02, by mınxomaτ

@quartata It's baked into the Windows kernel. It's faster than a VM. Think of it like SSHing into a weird second personality of your windows kernel.

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