The Nineteenth Byte

Alex A.

21:00

^ it does not look like a whale.

Oh, I kind of see it

El'endia Starman

Ah. I was wondering if that was supposed to be a face stuck on the front of a jet fighter flipping an upside down bird.

flawr

^ I noticed. The preview doesn't match the output at all.

Peter Taylor

@flawr Applied maths is basically theoretical physics without putting the numbers in.

5

flawr

HE IS BACK!

Doorknob

@PeterTaylor are you dead?

Alex A.

21:01

I wish the text box in chat was monospace and rendered to regular sans serif like on main.

2

Peter Taylor

@flawr www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/gkp.html

flawr

feature-request

Peter Taylor

@Doorknob I don't think so. I mean, the post on meta saying that I am has been deleted.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Applied math is evil.

quartata

@PeterTaylor You missed a whole new PPCG meme.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

21:02

Just sayin'

Alex A.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ಠ_ಠ

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Pure math FTW!

Alex A.

@PeterTaylor There was a post on meta claiming you were dead?

flawr

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ What is pure math today? There are always some guys applying it in some dirty way.

Alex A.

@Dennis could tell you. He does topology, which has nothing to do with anything.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

21:04

@flawr I do math for the sake of doing math. That, in essence, is pure math.

Peter Taylor

@AlexA. You're the one who added a comment asking for a disclaimer.

Alex A.

Oh right

flawr

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I do math for the sake of grades atm...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

LOL

flawr

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ What fields are you working in? What education do you have?

(No I do not mean F_p.)

Peter Taylor

21:07

@flawr Do you share Hardy's sentiments about applications?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@flawr I'm self-taught, I enjoy Axiomatic Set Theory, Topology, and Quantifier Logic.

(And haha, nice F_p joke)

flawr

@PeterTaylor I never heard about that?

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I admire that you see fun in those things. I just had a topology lecture last semester, and thought it would be good as everyone always states how important topology is. But I never really liked it, I just saw no point. <- (unintended pun)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@flawr Thanks :) Topology is a tad confusing, IMHO.

Alex A.

I never liked topology either. Or real analysis.

El'endia Starman

@flawr ...was that pun- oh, unintentional.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

21:10

@AlexA. I loathe real analysis. It's so dull.

quartata

I just saw this: codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/60423/45151

You know what it looks like?

DNA. Does Mathematica have something that can do that?

flawr

Of course.

quartata

In fact I'm almost positive it's something DNA related.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yes.

quartata

How?

Alex A.

21:11

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I liked the lower level classes that were about convergence and divergence of sequences and series, but once we got to the higher level classes with measure theory and stuff, I was done.

quartata

I don't use Mathematica.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

So that Cops n robbers challenge is to write a program under 128 bytes in a certain language and print the string?

flawr

Perhaps it is just a red herring.

Doorknob

Mathematica can probably calculate the relative velocity of your fingers to the position of the Sun in order to tie your shoes while crossing your legs, in like 10 bytes.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. I know what you mean XD

quartata

21:11

@flawr I doubt it.

It's too much like it.

Alex A.

Could be a blue salmon.

2

quartata

@AlexA. More likely.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

quartata

I hear they love Mathematica. They use it to calculate the probability of them making it upstream.

Doorknob

@AlexA. Why not an orange shrimp?

flawr

21:12

Where does that joke come from? (the blue salmon one)

quartata

@flawr Alex's deranged mind

aditsu

@quartata I think it's actually a subversive message about gangster cats

Alex A.

@flawr A herring is a fish. So a blue salmon is also a fish but not a red herring.

flawr

If you paint it red it is.

quartata

Looks like it is GenomeData[

Alex A.

21:13

@Doorknob Hm, could be. Hadn't considered that.

quartata

Great I have to try every genome of every organism on Earth.

Alex A.

My brain works in myserious and stupid ways.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

help me?

Peter Taylor

A Mathematician's Apology

A Mathematician's Apology is a 1940 essay by British mathematician G. H. Hardy. It concerns the aesthetics of mathematics with some personal content, and gives the layman an insight into the mind of a working mathematician. == SummaryEdit == In the book's title, Hardy uses the word "apology" in the sense of a formal justification or defence (as in Plato's Apology of Socrates), not in the sense of a plea for forgiveness. Hardy felt the need to justify his life's work in mathematics at this time mainly for two reasons. Firstly, at age 62, Hardy felt the approach of old age (he had survived a heart...

flawr

Back to math: My favourite lectures were group theory and elem. number theory.

Doorknob

21:14

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Basically.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Dor

flawr

@PeterTaylor Thanks! I think I hear dof this title before, but never read taht.

Doorknob

You write a program as short as possible that prints a string that you specify.

Alex A.

@flawr Me too :)

quartata

Then you specify the string and the size and someone figures it out.

Doorknob

21:15

And then other people try to recreate your program (or something in the same length range).

Peter Taylor

Group theory has applications in quantum physics.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Doorknob Oh, I see.

Alex A.

@PeterTaylor The mathematician had to apologize to Schrödinger after running over his cat.

quartata

Well I'm not brute forcing every genome.

So I'm just going to try to print it straight up. It has a bunch of repeated patterns

flawr

These are just two subjects where there are no monstrousities, everything is good, everything works out nicely.

Peter Taylor

21:17

@quartata Who cares about the repeated patterns? It's 80 digits in base 4: surely that can be handled in under 64 bytes?

quartata

@PeterTaylor What do you mean it is in base 4?

Oh I see.

I'd have to replace the digits with the letters... one second

aditsu

620257593733096983095814840277869912599024052142 4b"ACGT"f= (if I could use a different language :p)

flawr

python?

aditsu

CJam

quartata

Dammit you beat me to it.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

21:22

Hehe. My string is bae

quartata

I was going to do it in CJam too...

aditsu

I think you're supposed to use the same language

quartata

No.

You aren't.

Oh

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yeah you are

Doorknob

yes you are

quartata

21:22

They changed it?

Funny.

Well that sucks for me because I don't have Mathematica.

flawr

They changed it after quite a few answers....

quartata

That's a good choice.

That also means no one will be able to crack my PBASIC answer

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I AM BULLET PROOF

Now I just have to finish it.

flawr

NOTHING TO LOSE
FAR AWAY, FAR AWAY

Oh no, you'd have to delete your last line for it to make sense.

aditsu

@flawr it's "fire away"

Alex A.

?

quartata

21:26

*mensch

flawr

@aditsu 0.o

El'endia Starman

Recursion is implemented in Minkolang! The following is a full program that takes n from the user and calculates the nth Fibonacci number using the terribly inefficient recursive method:

n1{d1`,9&d1-{r2-{+}N.

aditsu

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ a young woman who drives people around?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@aditsu It's a quote.

:P

aditsu

@flawr yes, as in "keep shooting"

flawr

21:27

@El'endiaStarman Those unclosed braces bother me, more than they should.

quartata

It's spelled Ubermensch though.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@aditsu Yes.

flawr

Übermensch?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Oh well.

quartata

Just so you know

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

21:27

Thanks.

(It sounds like he's saying that... :P)

Doorknob

@flawr you'd hate Snowman then

quartata

@Doorknob I love snowman

I'd use it in every golfing challenge if I could ever get it working again

I had it working once then it broke

aditsu

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ huh?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

?

El'endia Starman

@flawr Bahaha, yeah. Me too.

Doorknob

21:29

@quartata I could try to help you fix it :P

Alex A.

@Zizouz212 Did we do something bad?

Doorknob

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ if you want a message deleted but it's too late, ping me or another local mod. Otherwise network mods flood in as they just did.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Doorknob Oh, sorry. ;-;

Zizouz212

YOU PINGING BEEPITY BEEPS!

Alex A.

@Zizouz212 Ping?

quartata

21:30

@aditsu wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Medic_responses

El'endia Starman

@flawr Could be translated as "overman", somewhat analogous to "super-man". But wait, you're German, you know this already. [looks closer] Ah, I see you added the umlaut.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@...

Zizouz212

God you peeps like to scare people.

Doorknob

hey @Zizouz212 I heard you liked pings

Zizouz212

What site is this?

Doorknob

21:30

so I put some @Zizouz212

in your @Zizouz212

so you can @Zizouz212

Alex A.

@Zizouz212 Programming Puzzles and Code Golf

Doorknob

while you @Zizouz212

Zizouz212

Programming Puzzles and Code Golf is being blacklisted

aditsu

@quartata well that's Übermensch, it's different

Alex A.

D:

flawr

21:30

@El'endiaStarman I am not German, but close enough=)

xkcd.com/859

Alex A.

@Zizouz212 Y u do dis

Zizouz212

@AlexA. Mostly because @Doorknob is here :/

quartata

@aditsu Yes I know.

Doorknob

@Zizouz212 ;(

Alex A.

@Zizouz212 Haha

quartata

21:31

He misspelled it. I corrected him.

@Zizouz212 NO

DON'T DO IT

WE'RE SORRY

El'endia Starman

@flawr Drat, I should've gone with my instinct of "you know German". What nationality are you, then?

@flawr Grrr.

Alex A.

@quartata Speak for yourself. :P

Zizouz212

@AlexA. I've got a... thing with him. Especially with pings.

flawr

@El'endiaStarman Guess=) (There is a big hint in my profile.)

Alex A.

Pings are great though.

Doorknob

21:32

they are, @Zizouz212

Zizouz212

@AlexA. How did that ping me?

Doorknob

aren't they, @Zizouz212?

hahaha

Alex A.

How did what ping you?

flawr

@Zizouz212 Who are you anyway and what are you doing here???

Zizouz212

@AlexA. That message. It sent me a ping for some reason.

Alex A.

21:33

That's odd.

Zizouz212

@flawr That was a very ignorant thing to say. I shall prepare for your demise.

Peter Taylor

@flawr Liechtensteinian. ;)

Doorknob

He's an Open Source mod.

Zizouz212

>:D

El'endia Starman

@flawr Don't know it off the top of my head (but maybe Sweden or Switzerland?), but that's definitely something I can look up.

Doorknob

21:34

And he's here because mod flags are broken and summon every single mod currently on chat.

Alex A.

And he loves pings!

Doorknob

He does :D

Zizouz212

I do not like this place.

El'endia Starman

Ah-ha, yup, Liechtenstein.

flawr

@El'endiaStarman At least one of them is true. (Hint: it begins with Sw)

El'endia Starman

21:34

And yes, I copy-pasted that word.

quartata

We're aren't giving him a very good impression guys

Try to behave.

flawr

@quartata Why should we?

Zizouz212

@quartata But you look like a good person.

:24646976 That's right! Point to my message!

flawr

@AlexA. Haha!

Zizouz212

Boom!

Alex A.

21:35

glares

flawr

@PeterTaylor Good guess=)

El'endia Starman

:24646976 Bahaha. :P

quartata

@flawr swoot toot

flawr

@quartata shhhhhhhhhh!

Alex A.

@Zizouz212 This did not ping me. It appears you've learned secrets.

quartata

21:36

Boom

Zizouz212

Hmm... I wonder if I have an account here...

Doorknob

@AlexA. no, it's because it's a reply to a deleted message

Alex A.

Oh, okay

Zizouz212

>:D

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

feature-request pinging

Alex A.

21:36

lol

Peter Taylor

@flawr It wasn't a guess: it was a joke. The hint in your profile is good enough.

Doorknob

Also, what secrets? <.< >.>

Alex A.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ status-declined

Zizouz212

YOU DARN USERSCRIPTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. [status-crying]

Doorknob

21:37

I'm not using a userscript

Alex A.

^

quartata

@flawr Because we might be able to lure him away from Open Source.

Zizouz212

Why the hell is any message by a moderator pinging me?

I don't get this -_-

Doorknob

it is? That's strange.

Alex A.

Must be a bug of some kind.

bug roflcopter

quartata

21:38

Because Doorknob broke it status-weshouldblamedoorknob.codegolf.xyz

Zizouz212

Alex A.

Huh. That's really strange.

flawr

@quartata Does this domain exist? 0.o

Doorknob

uhhh

Zizouz212

[tag:status-darn-it-doorknob!]

Doorknob

21:39

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

quartata

I think someone mentioned making it a subdomain of codegolf.xyz

Zizouz212

Only with these darn blue names...

Doorknob

wrong emoticon thingy -_-

Alex A.

o no

Zizouz212

@!#$%^&*()

quartata

21:40

¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯_(ツ)_/¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯

Doorknob

@quartata Yes. Hopefully that doesn't happen :P

Alex A.

at! hash money. percent to the and star, ().

Zizouz212

@Doorknob That pinged me...

Doorknob

... it did?

quartata

@Zizouz212 This is probably a valid program in something

Zizouz212

21:40

Yeah...

aditsu

gosh-darn-golly-gee

Zizouz212

@quartata No it's not.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

recursion

[tag:recursion]

quartata

You haven't seen the languages we have here then.

It's for sure valid in Foo.

Doorknob

It's valid in Foo

Zizouz212

21:41

Foo?

Doorknob

haha

Alex A.

HAHA

quartata

Like I said you haven't seen the languages we have here

Doorknob

(PPCG memes)

Zizouz212

What?

Alex A.

21:41

That is lol.

Zizouz212

Foo?

quartata

esolangs.org

Alex A.

Foo.

Zizouz212

What did I do?

Doorknob

Yes. It's the language that's universally hated by everyone.

Zizouz212

21:41

Go foo yourselves.

quartata

Doesn't work in CJam.

flawr

@quartata I just found this 0.o:

3 hours ago, by ಠ_ಠ

http://weshouldblamedoorknob.tk/

quartata

Works in all BF variants obviously

Alex A.

@Zizouz212 Flags for moderator attention, watches flood of blue arrive

Doorknob

@AlexA. if you flag anything it's binding and it'll get Zizouz suspended :P

(which has no effect, because blue)

Zizouz212

21:42

You can't suspend a moderator!! HAHA!

Alex A.

>:(

Doorknob

@Zizouz212 wanna bet?

Alex A.

>:D

Zizouz212

>:D

Alex A.

>:D

flawr

21:43

>:D

Doorknob

>:D

Zizouz212

<:)

flawr

@Zizouz212 Anarchist!

Alex A.

<:(

flawr

<:(

Zizouz212

21:44

@flawr is a fail.

Doorknob

^.^

Zizouz212

And there's only one blue blob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bye folks!

Alex A.

BYE

Doorknob

bye @Zizouz212

flawr

Why don't we call mods blue salmons?

Alex A.

21:44

Well that was fun.

aditsu

bye

quartata

We really gave him a good first impression.

Doorknob

*nods*

quartata

Someone should ask him if he wants to give up boring old Open Source and come mod here.

We're way more fun anyways

El'endia Starman

....ha.

Alex A.

21:45

> morefun

quartata

Oh stop it

Alex A.

maitee morefun powr rangrs

quartata

My space bar has got gunk in it.

And my a key

Got fix them

Alex A.

o no gank in kaybrd

Maybe @Zizouz212 will fix it for you.

Zizouz212

Can I never get any work done?

quartata

21:46

@AlexA. He did it

Doorknob

see, he knows he wants to stay! :D

Alex A.

> abandon all work, ye who enter here —aditsu

quartata

@Doorknob That just pinged me

Why

Doorknob

it did? Huh, weird.

Zizouz212

Everyone: Refresh the page for this chatroom and tell me what you see >:D

quartata

21:47

Did it again.

Zizouz212

@Doorknob Stupid pings.

aditsu

ooh I got a full span

Alex A.

HAHA!

Doorknob

Pings are acting very strange today.

Zizouz212

Alex A. and Doorknob are acting very strange today.

quartata

21:48

Alex just pinged me too.

Alex A.

@Zizouz212 Nothing loosk different

quartata

Wait what he's not a mod anymore.

Zizouz212

@quartata >:D

El'endia Starman

@Zizouz212 That Alex A. and Doorknob are no longer blue?

Alex A.

Whoa wtf

Zizouz212

21:48

hahahahahahaha

quartata

His parent user is now Mathexchange

Alex A.

D:

Doorknob

re-mods self

El'endia Starman

Yayyyy I'm still blue!

flawr

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Is there an rss for your webcomic?

Zizouz212

21:48

@El'endiaStarman You're a nice person :)

El'endia Starman

@Zizouz212 ^_^

quartata

@AlexA. Alex why on earth did you do that.

Alex A.

>:D

quartata

I told you to give him a good first impression dammit

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@flawr I think so, lemme check

Doorknob

21:49

Alex A.

@quartata Do what

Doorknob

hmmmm

flawr

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Oh found it!

Zizouz212

haha

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@flawr Me too XD

quartata

21:49

@AlexA. Summon him again.

It's like #praying multiple times in NetHack

Alex A.

I changed my parents but I'm not blue.

quartata

It never ends good.

Zizouz212

@AlexA. Refresh the room :)

Doorknob

yes you are

quartata

You are for me.

Alex A.

21:50

jk i am

Zizouz212

I see you blue :)

Alex A.

Your blue is showing

quartata

Why is every post pinging me.

Doorknob

@quartata it does when you're sacfesting! \o/

Alex A.

...sacfest?

Doorknob

21:50

every post is pinging you?

aditsu

Eiffel 65 - Blue (Da Ba Dee) (Original Video with subtitles)

►

Zizouz212

@quartata @Doorknob @AlexA. ping me too.

quartata

I think it's just all of Alex's posts

Doorknob

@AlexA. sacrificing lots of corpses. Because nethack.

quartata

@AlexA. Why don't you play NetHack

Zizouz212

21:51

@AlexA. @Doorknob Haha.

Alex A.

Oh, I thought "sacfest" was another descriptor of this room, kind of like "sausage fest."

quartata

coffee.stackexchange.com is a thing

Joining

Zizouz212

Hey, first not-a-ping!

Doorknob

Not-a-ping?

Alex A.

@quartata I was in that in private beta! :D

not-a-ping

Zizouz212

21:52

Alex doesn't ping, but you... you... you darn DOORKNOB!

Alex A.

status-kidding

aditsu

yay, no ping :)

Zizouz212

@AlexA. Screw you too.

Doorknob

What did I do?

Zizouz212

Everything.

flawr

21:53

Liar.

Doorknob

oh ;(

Zizouz212

Hmm...

Alex A.

Some things or whatever maybe idk

Zizouz212

Lets see if this works...

quartata

All of @Doorknob and @AlexA.'s posts are pinging me

aditsu

21:53

ok cut it out :)

quartata

Make it stop

Alex A.

Cut what out? I only have safety scissors; they barely cut anything.

Doorknob

make what stop?

quartata

@Doorknob STOP POSTING STUFF THAT PINGS ME

;_;

I have work to do too you know...

flawr

ping-pong

Doorknob

21:55

I have no idea what you're talking about

Alex A.

This is madness.

El'endia Starman

Y'know, you're a chat mod. You have certain...*tools* available....

quartata

Just did it again

aditsu

@quartata you have to post stuff that pings him if you want him to listen

quartata

Sound notifications going off now

Doorknob

21:55

We have a disclaimer in the chat topic about work... :P

Alex A.

^

quartata

@Doorknob Never been a problem before

Zizouz212

@Doorknob oh @Doorknob. Shut up oh @Doorknob We don't like, the squeaky @Doorknob @Doorknob can ping.. You need to really stop it. Darn it, ya @Doorknob

quartata

I have a rather high tolerance for work-doom spells

Doorknob

that only pinged me once

quartata

21:55

@Doorknob

flawr

bb-everyone-goodnight-goodmorning-goodafternoon-goodwhatevertimeofdayitiswhereyoucurrentlyare

El'endia Starman

@Doorknob

Doorknob

uh oh

quartata

@Doorknob say my name

Zizouz212

@Doorknob

El'endia Starman

21:56

Farewell, @flawr!

@Doorknob

Zizouz212

@Doorknob ha

@Doorknob haha

Doorknob

HALP

Zizouz212

@Doorknob hahaha

Alex A.

@flawr Güd näht

Zizouz212

@Doorknob hahahaha

@AlexA. Is that german?

Alex A.

21:57

I'll save you, @Doorknob! ...somehow...

@Zizouz212 Probably not.

Zizouz212

Hmm... Any message by Doorknob or that has Doorknob pings me, as if I am Doorknob.

Alex A.

translate: Güd näht

El'endia Starman

pluck!

Zizouz212

Time to put that to evil use >:D

@AlexA. lol

Doorknob

really? That's very strange.

Alex A.

21:57

y it no wrk

Doorknob

I wonder why that's happening

Alex A.

translate: Güd näht

wtf

Doorknob

so these messages are pinging you?

Zizouz212

@AlexA. Do you know where you are?

Peter Taylor

The impression I'm getting is that someone has been abusing mod powers. This chatroom may be linked to PPCG rather than one of the "serious" sites, but that doesn't mean that it's a sandbox for screwing around.

Zizouz212

21:58

@Doorknob Not now...

Alex A.

translate: Güd näht

(from German) Güd sews

Doorknob

That's very odd.

Alex A.

haha

Zizouz212

@Doorknob Now it does...

Doorknob

@PeterTaylor nah, we're just pinging people a lot

Now it does?

Alex A.

21:58

I was in the twilight zone

I was lost but now I am found

Zizouz212

@PeterTaylor What powers?

El'endia Starman

It's technically not a mod power.

@quartata has actually stealth-pinged me before. Back when I was figuring it out.

quartata

Wat?

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