The Nineteenth Byte

lyxal

12:48 AM

I really need to stop typoing "subsystem" as "susbsystem"

Redz

susystem

lyxal

I've made it like 5 times in the last 24 hours

in a uni assignment too

emanresu A

1:53 AM

I just realised I've hit every bytecount except 44 on this answer:

7

A: Sums of X*Y chunks of the nonnegative integers

JavaScript (Node.js), 48 47 46 43 42 48 46 45 bytes (n,x,y,w)=>x*y*((y*w+x+~w)/2-n*x%w*~-y+n*x*y) Try it online! -3ish thanks to Arnauld, -1 thanks to xnor, hopefully now actually works. There might be a shorter version taking w/x instead. Simple numeric formula. They say a picture speaks a tho...

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2:31 AM

@KateBunting One (famous/controversial) economist said that washing machine is man's greatest invention. :) — Eric Aug 9 at 8:50

@Eric Because the birth control pill was funded by a woman. — Barmar 2 days ago

I have no idea how much of it is my own asexuality versus just lasting scars from American "xd abstinence lmao" sex ed, but I always find it weirdly baffling whenever I'm reminded how big a deal contraception actually is
Like I can't get over seeing it as a luxury, like "if you're that dead set on doing the ONE thing that risks accidental pregnancy instead of being intimate literally any other way, then you can cough up some money to lower the risk anyways"

Rydwolf Programs

I think it'd be mostly the asexuality :p

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3:19 AM

:p

shape warrior t

not sure if it was me, but i _did_ upvote when it had no answers since i found it interesting and well-specified. was planning to golf it myself until i realized plugging in a double sum into wolfram alpha yields a shorter python solution than actually trying to optimize that sum in more typical ways. then spent some time thinking about maybe using a more concise language before deciding against it

a bit too late for the 8888 rep thing now, but there's quite a few recent closed posts, two of which are challenges. not saying you should necessarily downvote them though -- for starters, your …

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And, like, obviously making contraception accessible is a big deal for harm reduction when men try to pressure women into stuff (or vice versa since that probably happens sometimes)

But in the context of healthy relationships and informed consent, it's just, like, ???

lyxal

Maybe people want the "real deal"? Idk either

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@RydwolfPrograms It is funny to imagine the alternative being that you somehow got less bullshit sex ed than I did in Texas of all places

Rydwolf Programs

I may have lol

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3:24 AM

@lyxal Yeah like satisfying idle curiosity is the biggest way it makes sense LMAO

But holding off on satisfying idle curiosity is like

Kind of a thing people do anyways

Rydwolf Programs

Ours was still pretty abstinence-heavy but they did hire some private firm for 7th grade sex ed that covered contraception

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Oh mine covered the hell out of contraception too

Rydwolf Programs

oh

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They just emphasized that it can fail

Rydwolf Programs

yeah, that was a thing for us too, I think we had to memorize the probabilities lol

Oh wait I think our 9th grade sex ed was supposed to be even more comprehensive but it was all over Zoom so all I remember is playing a ton of super mario

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3:26 AM

Think they even gave us some kind of tutorial on how to put a condom on right--vaguely recall that the lesson plan might have been written assuming we'd actually practice it on a model somehow but that just didn't happen for whatever reason

@RydwolfPrograms LMAO yeah that was it

Most of the exam material I think

@RydwolfPrograms I was shocked for a bit that they subjected you to it for multiple years but then I remembered they probably did that for me too and I just forgot lmao

They had this weird schedule where every once in a while gym class would take an entire week off to become "health class"

Rydwolf Programs

Could be they switched between doing it 7th and 9th and I just happened to be one of the two years who'd get it twice

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And it was awful

Because most of the time it was still an entire week of gym class

But then there would be some weeks where it's just, oops! I'm probably not going to get any exercise at all

And the class was still taught by the gym teacher so, like, it's not exactly going to be a well-taught class

Rydwolf Programs

Ooh my elementary school tried to do that (they'd talk about eating healthy and shit) but our gym teacher knew nothing so it was great

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LMAOOOOOO

I think that was only a thing in middle and high for me

Rydwolf Programs

She taught us veins have blue blood in them (a classic), that drinking water while exercising makes you throw up (so we were all dehydrated as fuck), and one time to illustrate how important kindness is, she described a story where I think what actually happened is she stole something from someone by accident lmfao

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3:30 AM

Not entirely sure I remember having gym class in elementary--I know I did because I remember the gym itself ever so vaguely, but I might have been exempted for 4th and 5th thanks to the gifted program

@RydwolfPrograms WHAT

GJADKGJWGFEG

That's amazing

Rydwolf Programs

Yeah she was like "one time someone left a [forgot the amount] gift card in [some place], and I felt so grateful that they left it there for some random person to find"

And I wish I remembered the place (it was like, on top of a locker or something like that) but it was clearly somewhere where someone was going to come back and get it in a minute

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LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

@RydwolfPrograms Oh yeah and I remember thinking, like, "are you trying to teach kids to gamble?"

...Unrelated but this has been bugging me for a few days and I need to ask more people
How many days of the week is it normal not to meaningfully interact IRL with people you don't live with (during the school year since obviously it's most of them during the summer)

Redz

all of them

Rydwolf Programs

@UnrelatedString I mean, it's not really comparable to gambling. You get the payout no matter what, but with a slight chance of getting a reverse-jackpot weeks later

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I was kinda worried when I realized it averaged out to exactly half for me, but then I realized, that's really not that many

Rydwolf Programs

3:41 AM

Depended heavily on my class schedule in high school

I'm gonna try to be more involved and social in college tho, since I won't have things like transportation and work and family to limit that

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Mmm, so you would occasionally have classes where you actually talked with people in the class

Rydwolf Programs

And I'm actually getting pretty comfortable with social interactions

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I had that in calculus one year IIRc

@RydwolfPrograms Sweeeet

...wait didn't you already have a massive social life in HS

Rydwolf Programs

Massive for a code golfer

No offense

But pretty mild for most people lol

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I was about to say "you definitely come across as the most social person I know" LMAO

lyxal

3:44 AM

@Redz incredibly based

And exactly what I do except for when I have to go to mandatory university group meetings

Rydwolf Programs

Well, tbf, I don't pop into chat every day where I just sit in class silently or on my desktop all day (on a weekend) to say "hi guys I didn't do anything social today" lol

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@RydwolfPrograms If I didn't somehow have three separate things on Wednesdays, I'd actually be tempted to lower mine since I'm probably going to quit one of the two clubs I'm in

Rydwolf Programs

I think I'm kinda an extrovert trapped in an introvert's brain if that makes sense

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Although my therapist has actually rescheduled to Thursdays since then so it's only two

@RydwolfPrograms That makes no sense at all and also sounds like me LMAO

Or maybe it's the other way around for me

Rydwolf Programs

Like my personality is very extroverted but I struggle with actually being social in person because I'm bad at like, forming sentences in real time and shit lol

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3:46 AM

Like I have unmet needs for social interaction but also zero unmet wants for social interaction

Interesting

Rydwolf Programs

I also tend to overthink social stuff

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I definitely trip on my words and miss cues and all that other stuff but it feels like the few interactions I have tend to go well fairly reliably

@RydwolfPrograms Literally who doesn't

@lyxal Ooh, neat

Rydwolf Programs

Like I'd love to be the kind of person who could just walk up to someone I don't know at a party but instead I end up debating with myself for 30s whether I should ask someone on a crowded elevator to push the button for my floor or just get off on the wrong one and take the stairs the rest of the way

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But yeah personality-wise I feel like I "would be content" with complete isolation 24/7 but my brain beats that back with a stick

Rydwolf Programs

Oh so you and me are like opposites I think

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3:50 AM

@RydwolfPrograms See, that's something I don't overthink. If I don't succumb to the impulse to tell them the instant it comes up, I accept my fate :P

But it's also been years since I've had to use a crowded elevator

If someone actually gets in when I'm already there I just leave

Rydwolf Programs

I just had to for the parking garage at the concert last night lol

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Damn

Rydwolf Programs

Concerts have actually been great for my social skills though, I think. Since I do things that I'd be deeply embarassed to do in a place where anyone could recognize me (or even hear me lol), it kinda gets me used to being outside my comfort zone

Like it's so freeing being one of ten thousand people in a crowd when nobody can hear you even if you scream

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For a while I had to wait inordinately long to use an empty elevator at my university's library (despite there being like 4 or 5 elevators) but eventually I realized the stairs are very good exercise

Rydwolf Programs

(Unless you make the mistake of wearing business casual in a mosh pit and then everyone recognizes you for the rest of the night lmao)

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3:53 AM

@RydwolfPrograms I would certainly exercise that freedom to scream :P

Rydwolf Programs

I'm waiting for someone to upload a clip of the concert from last night to YT since the mosh pit was tiny so I'd probably be able to recognize myself in it lol

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@RydwolfPrograms The more I think about it, the more I realize that a lot of what I find fulfilling about the things I like to be alone doing is rooted in social validation some way or another, but I can't tell how much that actually contributes to me liking them versus just getting social hits however I can

And the main thing stopping me from spending more time on them one way or another, aside from just general executive dysfunction, seems like it's obsessively lingering across chat platforms to see if there's any conversation to drop into

noodle person

real

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real

@RydwolfPrograms ...Ironically this kind of thing is also one of the things that makes me doubt being ace sometimes

Rydwolf Programs

what is?

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4:08 AM

Because, like, I don't at all fail to see the appeal of sex

And it seems like attraction itself should be a relatively small part of "needing to satisfy urges"

Rydwolf Programs

I mean, I understand the appeal of curling up in a box exactly my size, doesn't make me a cat

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:P

Rydwolf Programs

@UnrelatedString That's not really how it is for allosexual people though

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Like I know there's this positive sense of fulfillment that comes from any side of that experience, but it's not like you lose that if you don't play all of it out all the way...?

@RydwolfPrograms I'd go so far as to say I "do actively experience some form of desire for sex", just nothing quite surfacing as attraction

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Q: Sum-of-four-squares grid

Output a grid of characters visualizing the decomposition of a number into a sum of four perfect squares. Challenge Given a nonnegative integer \$0 \le n \le 2^{30}\$, output a \$2^k \times 2^k\$ boolean matrix where: 0 represents 0 1 represents 1 if \$n\$ can be represented as a sum of four per...

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4:14 AM

Which, like, intuitively sounds more like repression than actually missing something. Except apparently when people repress attraction they can still usually tell it's there

...Well anyways I need to sleep LMAO

Rydwolf Programs

@UnrelatedString If we're talking in the context of risk/reward and people's views on access to conctraception though, I think it makes more sense to see sex as more of a terminal goal than an instrumental goal. Like you can break it down logically as like, you still have plenty of good parts of a relationship without sex, but I think the emotional side of a relationship and sex are two separate (if complementary) things people desire, one isn't a subset of the other

Redz

?????

what about people who do view those as subsets or supersets

Rydwolf Programs

@RydwolfPrograms So an allosexual person wouldn't see it as like, "90% of my relationship needs", they'd see it as "100% of my relationship needs and 0% of this other separate need which is typically a part of a relationship", if that makes sense

@Redz Well like, for most people sex is a subset of a relationship in that it's a part of a relationship. But I'm talking about the discrete goals/motivations people have

@RydwolfPrograms or at least, this is the best way I can describe my intuition

lyxal

4:35 AM

who needs sex when you've got code golf, spam handling, and site moderation tasks? :p

Rydwolf Programs

Hopefully not many people, as they seem to be fairly mutually exclusive :p

lyxal

I mean general site moderation tasks and spam handling over in CHQ :p

very easy to do all 3 as a code golfer

The Empty String Photographer

8:40 AM

I’ve come to declare that everyone in this chat room, excluding me, is dirty minded, and needs to be brainwashed.

att

@emanresuA not anymore it seems

emanresu A

Yeah :p

@Arnauld Nice! Now all we need is one more golf and this can have a "crossed out 44 is still 44" :p — emanresu A 1 hour ago

Redz

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer I think about bagels all day bagels are great

The Empty String Photographer

@Redz Other people are talking about … the naughty 3 letter s word

Redz

skiing?

The Empty String Photographer

8:51 AM

On that topic, I was playing a build battle on a Minecraft bedrock server and one person did a very inappropriate build of a man… … … …

@Redz it ends in an X

emanresu A

Bagelx?

Redz

six bagels

The Empty String Photographer

And it happened on a server where kids probably play

@emanresuA it’s 3 letters and starts with s and ends in x and has chr(101) in the middle.

lyxal

schr(101)x?

That's a strange word

Redz

define letter.length = 10/3

lyxal

8:59 AM

chr(101) is a letter, apparently

Don't blame me, blame the photographer

Redz

fair

emanresu A

On a more serious note: Yes, we talk about human existence here, and (despite being programmers) that includes (extremely SFW) discussion of sex. If you're uncomfortable with that sort of conversation, I suggest you scroll past it.

lyxal

9:11 AM

For the sake of argument, that's all well and good later on, but the problem is what do you do when there's nothing to scroll to?

This conversation type seems like a good candidate for moving into its own room in future

Given that it has the potential to cause discomfort and, while SFW, might not be the first thing people want to see

I'm all for conversation starting here (I did a whole campaign to freeze the room sucking the life out of here and everything :p), but even I think some things are better moved after a while, especially if someone or multiple people raise an issue with the conversation

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@emanresuA I was just joking a bit

@lyxal scroll the other way

Scroll up

@lyxal no issues, just joking a bit

I’m just starchasing

shape warrior t

10:06 AM

comment character limit really making me golf my sandbox feedback

much less fun than golfing code, honestly

Redz

10:43 AM

@shapewarriort you could always split it into two messages

and just add ... between them

shape warrior t

11:10 AM

i already do split my feedback into multiple messages... but just splitting at the limit would be unsatisfying for a comment that's just a sentence or two over the limit

and finding a more natural place to split it would require me to actually think

l4m2

github.com/darrenks/nibbles/issues/8

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@shapewarriort Maybe use pastebin?

shape warrior t

...huh

actually, i should keep that in mind

not necessarily for my average sandbox feedback (it's certainly... _interesting_ to deal with, but not _that_ much of a deal for me), but could very well come in handy

Neil

11:34 AM

@UnrelatedString I just don't like loitering for them, assuming I don't have that many floors to climb (or descend, if it's a really long way)

Ginger

1:05 PM

@lyxal isn't this what TNH was for?

The Empty String Photographer

TNH?

lyxal

@Ginger yeah, should keep that bookmarked for later reference

@TheEmptyStringPhotographer The Nineteenth House

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1:30 PM

@Neil Yeah, I've now also realized that the stairs are often just faster

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2:12 PM

@RydwolfPrograms That's... actually more confusing LMAO

Like if it's disjoint from the rest of the relationship

Then unless somehow being in the context of the relationship just makes it THAT much harder to deal with...?

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Banana ananaB goes to the sandbox:
Oh look a SanDBoX!

the end

lyxal

Ever wondered what a site looks like with no mods on the team?

mod count = 0

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Oh no

lyxal

also Poker.SE

Seggan

wait what

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2:23 PM

Ah, it's still pretty tame because there's no users either :P

Seggan

poker.se is a thing?

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...yeah what

Why would that exist

Considering how many bridge questions there are on board games SE I would assume any other card game also just goes there

lyxal

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Q: Insufficient nominees for moderator election: What happens next?

Stack Exchange’s position is that every site has a team of moderators to operate in our network. Currently, this community is being moderated by Grinch91 and Jon, who have been doing an excellent job. In 2021, Poker shed its Beta label along with 28 other SE sites. We recently attempted to hold a...

discussion moderation election

that's from the 2023 election when there were 2 mods

doubt the site will get enough mods to stay open now

ah oop mb there's still one mod there

(unlike monero :p)

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:p

lyxal

(for context: the deadline for signing the new mod agreement was 6 days ago, and turns out 37 moderators network wide didn't sign it so they were removed)

Seggan

2:36 PM

Today in Comment of the Day:

@PaulD.Waite - I don't know this "Twitter" of which you speak. Have a nice day. — Joe Strazzere yesterday

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Lucky

lyxal

2:56 PM

new documentation and outcome tag for meta posts just dropped

6

The Empty String Photographer

Ok nicr

*nice

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3:14 PM

:D

lyxal

They've introduced (or rather will introduce) a status won't fix tag

Meta as github issues is now canon

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5:58 PM

@RydwolfPrograms ...Come to think of it, this is basically how I assumed it worked before I found out that attraction and love actually exist LMAO

It does sound less cynical/disgusting if I frame it less in terms of "chasing fleeting gratification" and more in terms of "making fleeting gratification safer and more accessible", since in the grand scheme of things that's kind of most of why anyone does anything anyways

att

7:00 PM

before you found out what

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7:25 PM

It’s kind of non-obvious that feelings you don’t personally experience exist for other people :P

emanresu A

Tell me about it :p

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You hear about them but it’s just, like, “wow that’s a really colorful metaphor for something or another that I’ll figure out eventually”

And/or “that’s a really convenient lie to cover why you’re actually doing something, no wonder everyone else also uses it”

…capitalized “And/or” looks so cursed for some reason

Bbrk24

I've even seen "&/or" which is also bad

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YIKES

- - -I’m not sure if &/| is better or worse—- - -

fuck

emanresu A

&&/||

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7:39 PM

Strikethroughs are so hard on ios

emanresu A

Also yeah have fun trying to do strikethrough on mobile

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Damn smart dashes

Bbrk24

You have to type the third dash, then move your cursor left and type the second dash, then move your cursor left and type the first dash

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I was trying to delete the spaces but accidentally hit send

emanresu A

--- copy this

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7:40 PM

@Bbrk24 Ohhhh yeah that

I was trying to remember some trick but forgot it was that simple

Thanks

Bbrk24

@emanresuA I just noticed your new pronouns -- how recently did you change them?

emanresu A

Friday :p

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I did not notice them 🙃

Bbrk24

that would be why I haven't seen them

emanresu A

*thursday for y'all americans

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7:41 PM

🙃

Ginger

congratulations!!!!!!!!!

~~I feel like I've said that a lot recently~~

emanresu A

Add another nickel to your jar :3

Ginger

yep :3

~~who next~~

Bbrk24

It's been interesting watching the balance slowly shift

caird coinheringaahin g

I feel left out, like I was ahead of the curve :P

Ginger

7:43 PM

funny how those things happen

emanresu A

Thank y'all for helping me ask the right questions

Bbrk24

Hm, Mousetail and Lyxal don't have pronouns in their chat bios at all

Ginger

🫂 (I think this is the hug emoji, windows is stinky and doesn't have font support for it)

@Bbrk24 both are he/him

Bbrk24

@Ginger yes it is but it looks awful on win11

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@emanresuA You’re welcome!

And I’m glad you’re figuring things out

Ginger

7:45 PM

windows initially suggested 🤗 this, which is just disturbing

Bbrk24

oh yeah, titgrab

Ginger

the "I'm going to slap you" emoji

LMAO WHAT

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LMAOOOOOO

emanresu A

^

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I can’t unsee that now

Ginger

7:46 PM

you have cursed my vision

Bbrk24

One time I sent someone that hug emoji and they responded with "titgrab"

emanresu A

I'll change my cgcc profile at some point but I have some IRL friends who sometimes look at it and... ugh... that's gonna be complicated

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🫂

Ginger

Bbrk24

@Bbrk24 and then I sent them the other hug emoji (the one Ginger sent first) and they called that "shoulder pinch"

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7:47 PM

@Bbrk24 It’s a memetic contagion

Ginger

you always know the right thing to say, unrelated :p

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@Ginger That is the hug emoji and my Windows decidedly does support it (granted I’m currently on iOS)

Bbrk24

Win11 does, older Windows might not

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Ahhh

Ginger

I'm still on Windows 10, and as long as I have to use Windows I'll stay on it

Bbrk24

7:48 PM

~~inb4 Ginger is on 8.1~~

Ginger

but hopefully that won't be for much longer

Bbrk24

ah fair

7 was great, I was really disappointed when Microsoft killed it

Ginger

7 was... it had a certain je ne sais quoi

emanresu A

@Bbrk24 Vyxal is now more trans than APL

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(16.6% vs 15.5%)

Ginger

by developer transness?

emanresu A

7:50 PM

6/36 yeah (that I know of)

Ginger

we have 36 developers???

Bbrk24

I remember one of my online friends during COVID was sure they were cis and NT and then within a year and a half neither of those things were true

Ginger

New Technology?

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Neurotypical

emanresu A

36 org members discounting alts/bots, some of them haven't done much though

Bbrk24

7:52 PM

@emanresuA Wasn't that 15% thing APL users, not devs?

emanresu A

Yeah but I don't exactly have a list of vyxal users

devs is close enough

Ginger

there are 31 contributors listed on the Vyxal repo, 23 of them aren't bots or socks, and 5 of them are trans (assuming you're trans)

so that makes it 21.7%

emanresu A

Ya missed sporeball

(I think?)

Ginger

no, I counted her

the five are (by commit count) madeline, you, me somehow, hyper, and sporeball

emanresu A

Ah right unrelated never contributed to vyxal

Bbrk24

7:56 PM

Is this Madeline someone I would know?

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@Bbrk24 For most of the time I had the slightest clue what gender was, I passively figured I personally didn’t really have one, so I didn’t seriously entertain the possibility that I was properly cis and start identifying as such until I was close enough to cracking to actively question it :P

Ginger

@Bbrk24 RubenVerg

Bbrk24

ah okay

emanresu A

(she prefers "madeline" though)

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Good to know

~~has she by any chance played Celeste~~

Bbrk24

7:57 PM

@UnrelatedString I do know one person who's sure he's cis partly because he had gynecomastia and got surgery for it because it gave him dysphoria

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Huge

Ginger

🥁

emanresu A

@UnrelatedString Y'know... I started questioning my gender early March, picked up Celeste late April and now have 300 hours in it...

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LMAO

Bbrk24

I checked the pinned messages in one channel because I remembered there being a joke about it, but instead I found these:

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7:59 PM

The classic

emanresu A

Also I wrote like twenty lines of Rust last month

Ginger

I only have 5 hours of celeste :(

Bbrk24

I'm most of the way through chapter 4

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