Well I did

They exist purely to save bytes

But you've said multiple times that you'd replace them with an MGS-like system of branches of Vyxal if flag scoring was changed

Which sounds very much like you're just trying to push the boundaries

@BrowncatPrograms Only out of retaliation against your personal bias

Which is what Vyxal is (perhaps unintentionally) doing, by the way, which is part of why I dislike its flags so much

Vyxal is a popular language, especially among newer golfers, so it having flags as such an ingrained part of the language normalizes them a bit

And I do not want to golf on a site in ten years where flag abuse is the rule and not the exception

@lyxal It's not a personal bias. I like you and I like Vyxal. I just really don't like its flags.

And that drags down my overall opinions on Vyxal a lot

I don't like vyxal's builtin set

@BrowncatPrograms sure seems like it

A builtin doing different things on lists vs strings is bleh (such as "sublists" not also being "substrings")

That's called overloading and it's good :p

If done right :P

If done right, I don't know how Vyxal does it

ninja'd

But most of why I like Vyxal has less to do with the language itself, which I'm mostly neutral on, and more to do with it making golfing languages more accessible to new users

And because lyxal made it :p

@cairdcoinheringaahing we're working on that for version 3 lol

But anyway, I need to go for now. o/

Very nice gamers, just managed to make a successful raid farm in minecraft :P

@cairdcoinheringaahing [nervously chuckles in Pip]

I just gave a helpful award to a redditor calling Tommyinnit "your mom" on a post asking for incorrect answers only about who tommyinnit is

Very cool

i tried

still nope

What is it that you are trying to accomplish?

Also, vyxal is stack based, meaning that elements go in a somewhat postfix order

That looks like you're trying to use some sort of infix

This is for the coin flipping problem, right? Porting ovs' approach?

i am stupid nvm

not fully understanding stack language lol, i’ll keep trying

Tell us what it is you're trying to do and we can give you tips on what to do

@cairdcoinheringaahing chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/59129674#59129674

Dang i thought that would have one boxed

@lyxal Hmm, I should probably admit that I (did) have some unfair bias against Vyxal. Some of it has to do with jealously that Vyxal was getting a lot of attention around the time that I made Ash, which is stupid given that at the timee Vyxal was a complete, working language (with answers), while Ash was a half baked prototype that had never been seen anywhere near main (and also you'd supported me thoughout the whole project, something I definitely don't think you enough for :p).

But I've noticed and tried my best to get rid of that bias for a while

It probably did still influence some stuff a lot though, like my opposition to the Vyxal community ad

But I do try and will try the best I can to correct for that bias, and I'm still going to consider my bias against flags in my opinions of Vyxal because I don't believe that to be an unfair or illogical bias :p

@lyxal More of an iced coffee gal myself :P

@lyxal I think only replies onebox

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'll tell hyper to get onto that :p

@BrowncatPrograms that seems a bit sussy

Chat is the impostor

Yeah okay you were right

But why tho

Why can't I ping and onebox

It doesn't make sense

It's SE chat

Probably chat filters out the :xxxxxxx part

So it only sees the link, and thus oneboxes it

But replies are kept

does vyxal auto take top of the stack?

for output?

functions

Depends

this for example

Do you mean lambdas or defined functions?

@lyxal Same reason that you can reply with quote and multiline messages, but not ping with them

@Niko that's an element, and yes, it does

Also, use ? for input

□ is for wrapping all inputs into a single list

nice

Can someone tell me why tf a washing machine needs its own wifi network?

Robot uprising

Either that, or it's a fancy way to rickroll you :P

Trying to think of a joke about money laundering

It's a locked network so I doubt it's a rickroll

Very high effort rickroll? :P

and ofc it's samsung lol

Maybe that's just a samsung made router or WAP and "Washer" is the owner's last name?

@BrowncatPrograms WAP? Worship and Prayer?

Also talking about Wireless Access Points is a lot more difficult thanks to a certain song released in the last few months >:|

(haha funny tommyinit joke goes brr)

I know tommyinit IRL :P

(only tangentially tho)

how many degrees of separation?

My sister's friend is friends with him. I've met him tho, he went to my school IIRC

have you ever jumped in the Cadillac with tommy?

Can't say I have, no :P

Everything I've heard about him is that he's a prick IRL :P

Try it On... wth?

why does it repeat

because it seems that x duplicates the stack

Try it Online!

hmmmm

is Try it Online! what you mean?

i am trying to debug by looking at the stack

is there any flag that helps?

not really

(heyo ROs feel free to move this to Vyxal room if you want)

@Niko what is it that you want the program to do?

It;s not disruptive, and it's more on topic than tommyinnit, feel free to keep talking :P

Tho you might be more vulnerable to Redwolf saying that flags are bad here :P

lol

do multiply over all subsets

Try it Online! might be what you want

because the loop doesn't automatically push the current iteration value

pog

maps do though

although you can just use explicit and implicit vectorisation

Try it Online!

hmmmmm

Try it Online!

or Try it Online!

@Niko because the loop pushes each item to the stack

hence to get it into a list, you need to wrap the stack into a single list

Interesting link

I have Chrome 92, I think that's slightly more than 4 :P

Try it Online!

is Try it Online! what you mean?

trying to use 05AB1E answer’s approach

Try it Online!

CMC: This closed challenge, any language

@Niko ah

I see now

Try it Online!

ṗḢ instead of ÞS is what you want

subset != sublist

ṗḢ is powerset then a[1:]

here's how to do it loopless for 11 bytes

toooooo late already posted :p

no no as in it isn't the same as 05ab1e with ÞS

ṗḢ is needed to make it valid

@cairdcoinheringaahing 1-indexed allowed?

Sure

i found U

@Niko but I meant that ÞSU doesn't do the same as æ¦

ṗḢ does the same as æ¦

@Niko I wasn't hiding

isnt it mean unique set

> æ¦ # get all non-empty subsets

Does Vyxal not have a "reduce by function" builtin?

r

nvm

Cause a port of the Jelly answer is reduce(lambda a, b: (a+b)-(ab/5))

@Niko compare æ¦, ṗḢ and ÞS

@cairdcoinheringaahing λ₌+*5/-;dR

mseeing up messing up

ffff

@lyxal Why do you need the push the function? Why not just use a synatx think meaning "reduce by the following code"?

@cairdcoinheringaahing we don't got that

That's my biggest issue with stack (or rather, postfix) langs :P

That'll be fixed in v3

Either you do the 05AB1E way of <blah>...} to apply some code under some condition (reduce, map, filter, etc.), or you push a function object and use that as an argument to the next command

Either way, they leave you inflexible

Either you hope for a challenge where the entire thing is <blah...} and you can omit the trailing }, or you end up using 2 (or more) extra bytes on pushing and manipulating the function

@cairdcoinheringaahing +×ψ5÷-φ/ in version 3

ψ is "compose left and right functions", and φ is compose previous 3 functions?

Looks tacit to me

no

ψ is parallel apply

φ is everything to the start of the line

What's "parallel apply"?

apply each element with the same stack

so something like ₌+- currently or +-ψ in v3 will add the top two items on the stack and also subtract the same top two items on the stack

I stole it from mathgolf

So it's "reduce by: push a+b and a×b. Divide ab by 5, then subtract to get (a+b)-(ab/5)"?

@BrowncatPrograms just tried and got 69 WPM

@cairdcoinheringaahing not really

it's Reduce by: (push a+b and a×b / 5 and subtract).

+×ψ5÷-φ is all 1 function

Yeah, my grouping was ambigious

ah

so yeah it is then

"reduce by (push a+b and a×b. Divide ab by 5, then subtract to get (a+b)-(ab/5))"

yeah

like that

: has a higher precedence than . :P

lol

isn't that lower precedence

...hyper, stop being correct :P

@lyxal ^ Definitely credit ovs for that, and potentially me for pointing you to the Jelly answer to port :P

(*insert pxeger saying why we should not use the terminology "precedence"*)

there is nothing quite like doing a math workshop and code golf at the same time :p

What's wrong with precedence (aside from the fact I always spell it precendence)?

@lyxal Remember, 1+1=3

Unless WW is asking, in which case 1+1 isn't a number, and neither is anything else

@hyper-neutrino Should this really have been nuked as spam?

Looks like your standard, run of the mill, "this belongs on SO" crap, not nuke worthy

this was marked as spam because of this post

Ah, so past history of spam? Gotcha

actually future

basically, the first post got closed and deleted, the second post was made, was marked as spam, so i went back, undeleted the first post, and spam nuked it

Depends from what time you're looking at, whether it's past or future :P

But that makes sense, thanks :)

that's true - sorry, sometimes i forget what time means since i am detached from the mortal timeline

Honestly, immortality seems like an OP ability to give to mods

hyper was already immortal before moderacy

get it right caird.

At least y'all aren't invincible as well :P

do you have proof

well so long as I'm careful, aaron, user and emanresu should be invincible

@lyxal Untrue. HN was nuked once before being a mod, and so couldn't have been immortal

He was just resurrected. Big difference

catling gun

skamtebord

@hyper-neutrino Yes, I have defeated you once in a flag battle, therefore, you are not invincible :P

@cairdcoinheringaahing would you say voldemort was killed and resurrected, or merely that he lost his physical form and his soul still remained

@lyxal wait why, does vyxal offer invincibility or smth

@hyper-neutrino Did you turn harry potter into a horcrux? I'll remind you that the mod agreement requires you to be truthful

:P

Catling gun: a gun which repeatedly either fires small cats, or is a small cat and fires bullets

I will trademark this

And patent it

@cairdcoinheringaahing do you just like, have that bookmarked or smth ಠ_ಠ

@BrowncatPrograms The ultimate weapon against vyxal gang

I know not what weapon WWIII will be fought with, but WWIV will be fought with cats

@hyper-neutrino It's my only disputed spam flag, so kind of :P

oh yeah fair enough

i will go dispute some more /s

Tempted to raise a mod flag on it so I at least get a validated flag on that answer :P

@hyper-neutrino no because they are plates

if I don't break them, they won't break

what if their mortal form expires

do you have the power to form a new one so long as you have the plate

they're plates

plates don't expire

@hyper-neutrino Good luck :P All of my spam flags are well deserved, except for this (it not spam, but VLQ)

@cairdcoinheringaahing ended up 0-indexing anyways, but Jelly, 10 bytes

probably loses to a direct port of one of the existing answers

@lyxal oh so they aren't actually humans with a plate form you possess but they are simply just plates

that makes more sense (no it really doesn't)

There's almost certainly some bitwise magic to be done

@hyper-neutrino correct

sentient plates

@cairdcoinheringaahing wait does it?

absolutely

@hyper-neutrino did you not see the video where I washed aaron?

@hyper-neutrino No

ok cuz i just opened it and couldn't find something exactly saying that (though it's only reasonable that there are things i probably am not allowed to lie about)

The mod agreement is like 2 paragraphs of legalese about how you won't sell our data

the first two lines are that i will abide by the CoC and ToS which i don't think is exactly mod-specific

@lyxal Despite many convos here, that might be the closest anyone here has ever come to making porn :P

@hyper-neutrino CoC and ToS don't ban lying

@cairdcoinheringaahing well frick

@cairdcoinheringaahing i think we've gotten closer

Mainly because it's close to impossible to do that, and no one would ever agree to such an agreement (if they read it, that is)

@hyper-neutrino Why do a CGCC meetup, when we could do a CGCC porn shoot? :P

ಠ_ಠ

@cairdcoinheringaahing it was just me giving my homie a gentle clean

:P

@lyxal As long as you say no homo, nothing gay about washing your homies

That said, you sent a video, and I don't remember you saying no homo :P

Razetime has me covered

@lyxal O_O lyxal thumb reveal, no fake

Also, I think the video is the first time I've heard your voice, and idk how, but you are a perfect amalgamation of every aussie I've ever heard :P

Global flag summary, what do your stats look like?

I've got a 98.27% helpful flag rate :P

i have SD autoflag on so mine is probably higher :P

@cairdcoinheringaahing bruh did you not watch the sliding video or the lyxroll or the elevator moment?

Don't think so :P

@cairdcoinheringaahing 626 / 5 / 7 / 4 / 16 - 99.21%

@hyper-neutrino Wow, how do I have more flags than you?

853 / 15 / 7 / 1 / 2 / 1 / 879 / 98.27%

i have pretty few flags on cgcc actually

all of my mod-task-related stats are pretty bad for a mod :p (i think)

I have 269 flags on CGCC/CGCC meta :P

nice :P

i have 66 + 65

and most of those on meta are from that retagging project

How do you have flags from that?

Didn't I flag most of those?

yes but i think there were also a bunch that i marked down so i could batch edit them later

@lyxal @hyper-neutrino Thank you for the lyrics, I would've been completely lost without them :P

you're welcome :p

@lyxal This is the sort of thing that would make someone open the TNB, glance at the most recent messages, and either immediately leave or stick around forever

:p

Um

@lyxal now we need a face reveal ;P

@Adám wdym?

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced haha no.

wait wasif is in 9th grade?

probably

that sounds about right

his gh profile says so

i probably have a profile somewhere still saying i'm 16 lol

speaking of which i should go remove all of my personal info from the internet not cuz i think it'll give me more anonymity just cuz i can't be bothered to keep it up to date lmao

@hyper-neutrino is it actually midnight for you?

lol

because a userscript I have guesses your local time to be midnight

IIRC Wasif is the same age as me

@lyxal 12:15 AM

So he might be in 10th grade now

idk

@lyxal uh what

oh by guess i thought it had some big brain way to guess based on my activity / messages or smth

well yeah waterloo time is 00:15 rn

@BrowncatPrograms maybe even me

@BrowncatPrograms smol child

@hyper-neutrino probably isn't the best example then

it also guesses without area

o

how

currently i am 9th grade

if it's based on activity then i'm surprised it gets it right

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced Oh nice. How's high school?

it's surprisingly hard to find redwolf via searching

@BrowncatPrograms kinda boring (and hard)

it says user's time is midnight

it also guessed @emanresuA's time correctly

It really is 4pm in New Zealand

because I know they are 2 hours ahead of me

but can you guess my time?

9:49am?

@lyxal it's a browser extension you retard

@lyxal Correct.

@lyxal correct (15 mins ago)

CMC: Output 5452664958352106610392653992969548816109525731795341116770874852640946425154782609866545467142255587582. Jelly users will enjoy this.

@emanresuA Dinoux: 5452664958352106610392653992969548816109525731795341116770874852640946425154782609866545467142255587582

:The equivalent in Vyxak would be 12286541210189640949263790156504082496167755934427589068135998886052473928192844627847483623246286054995.

vyxak?

ykwim

new lang?

ykwim(dows)

You Know What I Mean

i am sleep noe p/

frick sprlling

@emanresuA no. /s

Can anyone review my proposed challenge? codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2140/…

@Wansen sure, gimme a moment

@emanresuA lol, nice

when i entered that into my compressor i thought you put in an easter egg and then realized it's literally my site and i don't have easter eggs really

well actually i do but not in the compressors

@Wansen first things first, please do not add bonuses

if it's a bonus, it can also simply be part of the challenge.

@Wansen "alwayscooperate 99" => <insert 99 N's here>

I think you mean Y ↑

...yeah it definitely needs a specification of the point values for each action pair

because even if every version of the prisoner's dilemma used the exact same values it would still be a self-containedness failure to rely on those

it sounds like a prisoner's dilemma now that I think of it

lmao

@Wansen yeah there needs to be an explanation of scoring

Oh

Will do soon, thanks

i also just want to point out that with the current names you can distinguish them purely by length because unless i'm missing something the strategies into copycat and grudger are identical

@UnrelatedString that doesn't really matter, if you can think of that then you can use it

i just wrote a simple zsh for loop to rename st prefixed files with a d prefix

for i in st*; do
    mv $i d${i:2}
done

^ i think that also works in bash

bash can be fun

$ mkdir tmp && cd tmp && touch rm && touch something && ls
rm  something
$ *
$ ls
rm
$

@ngn oh so it executes rm something?

it also works with zsh

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced yes :)

and then you can clean the directory with:

* *

oh yeah it expands the glob

only when rm is the (lexicographically) first thing in the directory, but

what is the : builtin?

it does nothing

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced it's useful for while :; do ..; done

and for putting at the end of a .sh file to prevent the whole file from exiting with a non-zero error code when the last command in it did so

Hrklo

@emanresuA hrklo

Az yu now, eye cart spel gud

how do you determine if something (like an esolang) is TC?

you prove or disprove it

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced esolangs.org/wiki/…

A standard way to prove something is TC is to write an interpreter for a different minimalist TC language in it, or (often easier) find a way to translate from such a lang into it

BF / BCT are two examples of that

Proving something is not TC can be easier (if it can be proven to always halt) or harder (otherwise)

One relatively easy way is to solve the halting problem for that language

@Bubbler Did you see cs.stackexchange.com/questions/143867/…

what

CMC: Implement an esolang (of your choice) in BF

@emanresuA Ticker action is actually interesting. It provides an infinite loop, and with "piecewise function" combined, it's very easy to simulate FRACTRAN which is TC (I tested and it even halts when no branches execute)

@Bubbler Write up an answer then!

i wrote my first polygot (2 langs)

#;n2
print(1)

><> and Python?

yes

Try adding JS.

@emanresuA uh how do i remove python's /* is Asasrihirt error

Something like:

Hint: Comment is not the only way to shadow stuff

1 // 2; '''
<js code>
//'''# <python code>