The Nineteenth Byte

Leaky Nun

3:40 AM

@EriktheOutgolfer are the "οι" in "ποιος" and "χ" in "έτυχε" pronounced the same?

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Q: TI Basic, menu options and arrow placement

I am writing a math program which is just a way to view the unit circle diagram, the code below generates a menu in the middle of the circle diagram and contains 5 menu options, I would like to remove the first so teachers allow it to be used in class, but when i remove it, the menu arrow still g...

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TwilightSparkle

4:45 AM

Random Post: Why is this room called the "Nineteenth" Byte?

John Dvorak

4:55 AM

The nineteenth hole of every golf course is the watering hole

Doorknob

@TwilightSparkle codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/1006/3808 .

flawr

6:53 AM

@Doorknob How's doorknob knobbin'?

A _

9:06 AM

@flawr doorknob has a handle(knob) for people to hold on. To add a handle is knobbing.

Well, I mean, in their username.

Veskah

12:52 PM

CMC: Given two integers (a and b), and a string/char consisting of an arithmetic operand (i.e. +,-,/,*), output a op b. / can be float or int division. The inputted operand symbols can be changed to what your language uses if it doesn't use the aforementioned 4.

AdmBorkBork

I have 14 in PowerShell

11

Doorknob

@flawr pretty well, how've you been flawrin'/

Veskah

@AdmBorkBork Yeah, 11 because I didn't specify a fixed param order

flawr

@Doorknob quite flawlessly, thanks

AdmBorkBork

@Veskah Indeed

I have 27 if you have to take it a, b, op

flawr

1:01 PM

@Doorknob it seems you haven't been a lot here lately, you're busy with other stuff I assume?

Doorknob

@flawr yeah a lot's been going on in the first few weeks of college

Jo King

@Veskah Perl 6, 13 bytes as curried f(op)(a,b)

flawr

@Doorknob oh so you're a collegist now

Jo King

though multiplication will need to be × not *

flawr

colleger? collegian?

AdmBorkBork

1:05 PM

Very different than a collagist

Veskah

@Doorknob Pro-tip: Do what I did and squander all of your time.

Anonymous

@Veskah 10/10 advice; it worked for me :P

Fatalize

1:42 PM

Why is College 18+ in the US but in my language it’s for 11/14 year old kids ಠ_ಠ

Anonymous

@Fatalize Because Latin

flawr

@Mego in latin 18+ == 11/14 ?

Anonymous

@flawr Yeah that's why it's a dead language

Anonymous

Technically there is a difference between college and university here in the states (colleges offer degree programs in a single general field of study; universities have multiple colleges), but everyone just uses the two interchangeably

Veskah

@Mego For what it cost, I'll call it what I damn well please.

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1:52 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

I swap the source code, you swap the input! Rip-off of a rip-off of a rip-off of a rip-off of a rip-off. Go upvote those! Your task, if you wish to accept it, is to write a program/function that outputs/returns its input/argument(which will always be a string). The tricky part is that if I swap...

Anonymous

2:06 PM

@Veskah Exactly lol

flawr

2:18 PM

@Veskah you mean it cost nothing?

:P

Veskah

:'DDDDDD

J. Sallé

It's the same here in Brazil. Usually, Universities have multiple Colleges (which we call Faculdades) for their respective subjects. I, for instance, study in the Federal Fluminense University, in the CompSci Institute which is part of the Engineering College.

flawr

@Veskah do you remember what it actually cost?

like, per semester, or year?

Veskah

Like 6 or 7k a year

Not insurmountable but a sizeable chunk of change

DJMcMayhem

2:43 PM

@Veskah The college I'm closest to costs 12k a year (30k for out of state)

It's absolutely ridiculous

El'endia Starman

Oh, uh, that's...uh, not too bad.

RPI, right up the hill from where I work, is 50k/year.

Erik the Outgolfer

wait wth that's way over the average US wage

flawr

@DJMcMayhem It wouldn't take much more to travel to my place, renting a room here and go to college for a lot less.

Veskah

I might actually be lowballing it because I don't want to actually calculate it because it would sadden me

Note, that was a state school. The two big private schools near me are many a dollar more

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer according to Google, median wage is 46k

El'endia Starman

2:49 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer Relatedly, the total student loan debt in the USA is over 1 trillion dollars...

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem yeah, I would count 50k as way over

Veskah

@DJMcMayhem Is that in general or for a college kid? Because that seems high for flipping burgers and slinging pizza

(Granted, I guess Erik asked for the US in general so my question is partially irrelevant)

Erik the Outgolfer

yeah I meant the general wage

DJMcMayhem

> Recently, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) released their report on the Usual Weekly Earnings of Wage and Salary Workers. Using information from the fourth fiscal quarter of 2018, the BLS claims that in that quarter, the median income for a full-time wage or salary worker on a weekly basis was $900. For a 40-hour work week, this translates to a yearly income of approximately $46,800.

flawr

is it usual to get paid weekly?

DJMcMayhem

2:52 PM

(Source)

@flawr I don't know, I'm assuming they just divide by however often you get paid

I think biweekly is common. I get paid monthly

El'endia Starman

I'm paid biweekly and yeah, that's the most common I think. I did have weekly paychecks at my previous job at a grocery store.

Veskah

@flawr Depends on job tier/area. My old factory job was weekly. My current gig is bi-weekly

Or put another way, I think hourly gigs are more likely to be weekly, salary as bi-weekly/monthly. I might be way off-base

flawr

@Veskah I see

DJMcMayhem

Straw poll: strawpoll.me/18693369

Anonymous

@Veskah Jobs with high turnover tend to be weekly. Lower-turnover hourly and salary tends to be bi-weekly/2x a month

Anonymous

2:57 PM

In my state, it's actually illegal for most jobs to pay any less frequently than 2x a month

flawr

oh

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem 2x a month

El'endia Starman

@Mego Technically, that's "biweekly" too.

DJMcMayhem

@Mego That's almost exactly the same as biweekly

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman Biweekly is every 2 weeks

Anonymous

2:59 PM

@DJMcMayhem Nope. I get on average 2 fewer paychecks a year than biweekly

El'endia Starman

@Mego Yes, that's correct.

It's also twice a month.

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman Neither of those is twice a month

Anonymous

Every two weeks or twice a week are both different than twice a month

El'endia Starman

Oh wow, I can't read.

Veskah

Well done

El'endia Starman

3:01 PM

I could've sworn I had this issue when implementing biweekly intervals in code.

DJMcMayhem

@Mego I get that but it's sooo close

Which is why I said almost the same

John Dvorak

None of this would have been issue if the year was partitioned as 13x28+1.2425

flawr

@Mego so do you get paid on some specific dates?

Veskah

1st and 15th/16th if I had to hazard a guess

DJMcMayhem

But it's not worth splitting heirs over

flawr

3:02 PM

@JohnDvorak I think here the accountants use 360 days for a year

Veskah

Or anchored to 1st and 3rd Monday

Anonymous

@flawr Yes, 15th and last day of the month (or the Friday before if payday falls on a weekend)

John Dvorak

... heirs? Ow!

El'endia Starman

Fun fact: my paycheck used to be semimonthly, but is now biweekly.

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem That's CK2

El'endia Starman

3:03 PM

@Mego Or if payday falls on a holiday.

flawr

Does anyone get 13 monthly wages per year?

John Dvorak

Czech politicians do, and they're arguing for a 14th one!

flawr

(Which is actually somewhat common here: You get an additional wage at the end of the year.)

DJMcMayhem

@Mego ha

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman That too

DJMcMayhem

3:04 PM

It's not worth splitting hares over

Anonymous

:( poor buns

John Dvorak

Splitting hares is okay if it's used for sustenance.

"I urgently need a patch of fur" counts.

flawr

There is a very similar idiom in german, I didn't expect that to also exist in english:)

John Dvorak

Czech has a beautiful word that translates literally to "nit picking". No idioms needed.

El'endia Starman

Hmm, I don't think "nitpicking" and "splitting hairs" actually have the same meaning in English.

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3:11 PM

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Q: Is this a valid Tichu play?

Tichu is a card game in which players take turn playing sets of cards from a deck consisting of a standard 52-card deck, plus 4 additional cards: the dragon, which has a greater value than any other card the phoenix, which can act as a wildcard the dog, which passes the turn to your partner the...

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DJMcMayhem

@El'endiaStarman I'd agree

El'endia Starman

Yep, nitpicking refers to excessive attention to trivial details whereas splitting hairs is about making a useless distinction between two things that are really basically the same.

Veskah

@El'endiaStarman I think you're just splitting nits here

John Dvorak

Isn't that the same thing?

AdmBorkBork

Knitting hairs?

flawr

3:15 PM

@El'endiaStarman are you nitpicking now or splitting hairs?:)

ninja'd

John Dvorak

@flawr both

flawr

@AdmBorkBork I have a wool pullover

Doorknob

@El'endiaStarman so can you be splitting hairs but not nitpicking?

flawr

In practice you'd probably also split some nits.

picking-nits-literally

DJMcMayhem

@Doorknob Nitpicking is being critical, splitting ~~heirs hares~~ hairs is being pedantic

Anonymous

3:22 PM

I legitimately can't tell if you guys are joking around by splitting hairs and nitpicking about the difference between splitting hairs and nitpicking

Doorknob

@DJMcMayhem hmm, i don't think nitpicking is necessarily criticism

Anonymous

If this was anywhere else, I'd go with joking, but I've seen worse, serious discussions on meta

AdmBorkBork

This is TNB. We never joke around.

Anonymous

> Abandon work, all ye who enter

flawr

In german there is also the term "corinthian raisin pooper" or "pea counter"

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Anonymous

3:23 PM

Yep, always 100% serious

Anonymous

@flawr "corinthian raisin pooper" is my new favorite phrase, thank you

DJMcMayhem

@Doorknob I think it is

flawr

@Mego y'er welcome

John Dvorak

TIL

El'endia Starman

Why Corinthian raisins specifically?

flawr

3:30 PM

no idea, I have to look it up

Doorknob

@DJMcMayhem i was recently playing a board game where i clearly wasn't going to win but someone pointed out i was technically winning by points, which i would say is nitpicking but not critical

DJMcMayhem

Wait, if you're winning by points, why wouldn't you win?

What game?

Doorknob

imperial

DJMcMayhem

But you're right. I would concur that is indeed an instance of nitpicking lacking criticism. I rescind my point.

Doorknob

another player had a far better strategic position, but technically not as many points by the scoring system

flawr

3:32 PM

@El'endiaStarman Apparently (no idea whether true) the corinthian raisins have the reputation of having a very consistent size, so someone who is really a pedant might even make sure the poop is always of the same size(?)

DJMcMayhem

@Doorknob So you had more points at the moment, but they were going to end up getting more points in the long run?

Doorknob

yeah

flawr

> According to the ruling of the court of Emmendingen is "Korinthenkackerei" as a criticism of the bahaviour of a police officer in the context of giving a parking ticket under certain circumstances does not have to be taken as a prosecutable insult.

(from the german wikipedia)

El'endia Starman

@flawr Huh, interesting.

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6:13 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

I reverse the source code, you keep the output code-golf string source-layout Yet another blatant rip-off of a rip-off of a rip-off of a rip-off. Go upvote those! Your task, if you wish to accept it, is to write a program/function that outputs/returns its own output. The tricky part is that if...

caird coinheringaahing

CMP: When will/what makes you read a long explanation to an answer? All the time/just if its interesting/never/etc.?

Mr. Xcoder

Only if it's interesting for me

Doorknob

@cairdcoinheringaahing long explanations are usually correlated with interesting answers, so i generally read them

Veskah

@Doorknob For the most part, yeah. Sometimes it's just proving some mad algorithm which I usually skim through, to be honest.

Doorknob

that's true, formal proofs are usually less interesting than explaining the intuition behind the algorithm (if there is any)

AdmBorkBork

6:31 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Same as Rood Bonk, they usually correspond to interesting answers, so I tend to read them.

Anonymous

7:07 PM

I always try to read them, though some go over my head

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7:52 PM

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Q: What is the score of my Scopa hand?

I like card game challenges so I made this one for the Italian card game Scopa. My family has been playing this game since time immemorial. It has a very interesting scoring system that should be fun to golf. I will post an answer in R to get the fun started, that I am sure people will improve up...

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mbomb007

8:15 PM

@xnor Hey, you've probably been there a while now, but grats on 100K rep!

AdmBorkBork

Only a couple weeks late.

That's a samurai'd, right?

Anonymous

@AdmBorkBork Sumo'd

Anonymous

Samurai is slower than a ninja but still moderately quick

Gotcha

8:47 PM

wait for it...

8:58 PM

CMC: Given an N-dimensional non-ragged integer array, answer the index of the first (in flattened order) element with largest magnitude. E.g. [[[-5,6,3,-4],[1,-5,-9,8],[-8,7,5,-5]],[[-8,2,-2,-5],[5,1,3,-8],[-3,-9,-2,-5]]] → [1,2,3]

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boring Jelly answer

trichoplax

9:46 PM

I've added some comments on this closed challenge. Do they seem reasonable, and do they seem sufficient to reopen the challenge?

noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ

11:27 PM

Idea: "fastest brainfuck JIT"

A _

11:37 PM

(I reached page 122.) I have tried to answer every challenge on CGCC, but then I realized that I had ran out of challenges to answer.

Unrelated String

11:50 PM

I looked through every page all the way to 725 over the course of a week or two and unsurprisingly there isn't much worth resurrecting that hasn't already been resurrected

It was closer to 720 or 710 when I hit the end the first time

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