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12:15 AM
@quartata Just learned this guy is running for president while simultaneously on the run from the IRS
 
12:32 AM
@JoKing I've edited my Retina answer to include a pure unary regex detector (currently 7 bytes longer than my Retina code when you take the decimal to unary conversion into account)
 
12:46 AM
Awesome. I'll avoid analyzing it because I'd like to try that problem myself
@Neil did you do it without nested/forward references?
Wow, you did
That is an ECMAScript regex.
What funny coincidence that it's the same length as the Retina program.
Very clever algorithm. I was just going to divide by powers of two until finding one where the quotient is less than the divisor. I probably still will, just to see how it compares in length to your regex.
 
1:12 AM
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Q: Partition a square grid into parts of equal area

Peter KageyThis challenge is based on the following puzzle: You are given an n by n grid with n cells marked. Your job is to the partition the grid into n parts where each part consists of exactly n cells. Example Here is a puzzle on the left and its (unique) solution on the right: Challenge You will...

 
Hey, It's been a while since I did much work on it but here's a new screenshot from my Brain-Flak--code-golf--rogue--like game:
 
The absolute mad maan
 
1:27 AM
Anybody remember AvocadOS?
 
...yes. I never touched the thing, but yes.
 
Well we should bring it back.
I was joking about it with a group of CS friends today... so there's real-world demand for an OS with such comedic value
 
1:43 AM
CM*C: Make a case-sensitive search engine.
* M = Mega
What is AvocadOS?
 
@TRITICIMAGVS Wow.
I can honestly say, 3 years ago when I thought to myself "Hey, what if I made a language where every command is made up of nested brackets", I never thought "I bet one day someone will make a video game off of this idea"
 
@Khuldraesethna'Barya An operating system that's entirely centered on JQuery.
It's an unfinished project.
 
.... definitely not touching it now! :P
 
It would have just enough assembly to get C working, and just enough C to get a javascript interpreter working, and then the rest would be JQuery-powered.
 
@PhiNotPi Sweet, thanks! Found it.
 
1:48 AM
Pretty website: jqueryos.github.io
@El'endiaStarman you expected something else from a project with "avocad" in its name?
 
@PhiNotPi did we ever get past bootloader?
:P
 
@PhiNotPi I don't know what I was expecting, but it wasn't jQuery.
 
Pretty sure it could display character codes from keyboard input, or something like that.
 
huh
@PhiNotPi i am on board. I now have enough OS and assembly knowledge to probably get somewhere :P
 
I feel like we're not actually that far from the actual jQuery part. After we reach the jQuery stage, then it's a matter of adding all the "usability" features which aren't critical.
(As in, they totally are critical for any operating system to be useful, but I would be satisfied with this project if we get to the point that we do everything in jQuery)
@Downgoat I've gained a lot more C experience than when we first started this project, maybe I can help more now. Although I'm still not that good.
 
2:13 AM
Holy crap. Using my idea came up with a 48 byte regex
so close
It's much faster though.
 
@PhiNotPi well for jQuery there's two significant aspects which is implementing the event loop, implementing DOM interface, and mounting v8. Mounting v8 would require modifying it to support a custom OS or implementing posix stuff like pthreads idk if you'd get much milage with a cross compilation
 
@PhiNotPi What's AvocadOS? can't find anything on google
 
2:31 AM
Gotta figure out how to make a toast pun out of a daemon or something to have AvocadOS on TOAST
Bonus points for a guacamole process
 
@Skidsdev They have bad SEO :P
 
@Skidsdev project some of us attempted a looonng time ago at PPCG to essentially make an OS that runs almost all on jQuery. This was back when jQuery and Avocados were everyone's favorite meme
 
@Downgoat that sounds like the most wonderful, horrible thing ever
 
2:47 AM
Hmm... I guess I'm not all that certain what it really takes to get V8 working.

 AvocadOS

Discussion for the design and creation of AvocadOS. How juic o...
IDK if there's actual interest in revamping the project. But if there is, then someone could unfreeze the room and maybe something will come of it.
 
3:55 AM
@PhiNotPi well you need executable space
that is V8 needs to be able to write the JIT assembly somewhere and be allowed to jump to it
while not, you know, allowing for all the other problems that come with that
 
@ASCII-only what should syntax look like for specifying which branch of if statement is expected. e.g. for optimization
 
 
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6:06 AM
@Downgoat imo i'd recommend against that, see processor branch predictors (i.e. don't do it at all, or you need a smarter predictor)
@PhiNotPi imo v8 is really specific, it'd be better if it was changed a bit so it could be relatively easily changed to any other language
@PhiNotPi yes
@PhiNotPi well. if you can do everything in jQuery (well, JS) then... that's literally 99.9% of the work
 
 
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7:43 AM
@ASCII-only we could technically try any other engine such as spidermonkey
 
8:31 AM
@Deadcode It turns out Proth was much easier than I thought. I had a brainwave yesterday night for how to solve it. Turned out to be the same as Neils. (I haven't figured out your solution exactly yet)
 
@H.PWiz Yeah, that's awesome! I see what you did there
It's kind of an implicit division, I think.
Implicit that the two odds match
 
Yeah, I was inspired by my squares solution
Glad I solved that first
Why would (\3\3)*$) be faster than (\3\3)*)$
Is is because, then * knows that it has to go to the end of the line?
 
Because the regex engine sees the $ sooner and can fail to match if it's not at $
and can more easily do optimizations... it doesn't have to be smart enough to look outside the ()
@H.PWiz Yes, that's it exactly.
I'm playing a fast-paced game right now that's why my responses aren't that good
Okay actually it came out well enough :)
I think I've never actually used that trick that you did.
Gotta reexamine all my previous work and see if it can be used
 
 
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11:03 AM
@H.PWiz Could you explain why you think my Carmichael regex might get false positives?
 
CMC: Given a 24-hour time as an HH.MM float, return the fractional day. E.g. 18.54 (six minutes before seven in the evening) gives 0.7875.
 
11:32 AM
16 bytes, J
 
18 bytes, perl
 
@FrownyFrog Very clever. Translates to 12 bytes in dzaima/APL: 5÷72÷.6⊥0 1⊤
 
11:48 AM
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

mdahmouneIrregular English Verbs Given the infinitive of an irregular English verb, output its simple past and its past participle. Rules The input and output can be given in any convenient format. No need to handle verbs not in the given list. Either a full program or a function are acceptable. If a ...

 
@Adám Thanks
 
@Deadcode I was being dumb and checking not square, instead of square free. My concern is that I'm not sure that yours ensures that the number is square free
(Unless you've based your answer on some other fact)
My solution would be to assert that all prime factors only occuerd and that there were more than one of them
i.e {2} -> {2,}x$ (And \5+ -> \5* inside)
 
12:20 PM
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...Fibonacci-Haiku I know that the task to write a Fibonacci-program has been given before. Therefore I have a new idea: Write a Fibonacci-Haiku. Rules You are supposed to write a program that takes one number n as input and returns the n-th fibonacci number. The sequence starts with 1. You can a...

 
@Deadcode It gives the false positive 319345
I already am annoyed by 10k rep :(
 
1:02 PM
What?
 
I get notified about chat flags
 
@H.PWiz You can start giving bounties.
 
I suppose
 
1:23 PM
hi friends
 
@BassdropCumberwubwubwub Sherlock?
 
Are we going to do Best of 2019? Or shall we stop considering the delay last year and the lack of activity?
 
1:59 PM
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Q: Draw a path made by direction changers

AJFaradayThis challenge takes place on a grid. +----------+ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +----------+ This one's 10 x 10, but it can be any rectangular shape. There are four directions on this grid. Up, down, left ...

 
2:50 PM
Hmm, I have a graph curve in my head, but no idea what formula would fit it
 
y=x
just make the deviation large enough
 
don't think that quite works
I'm not sure it can actually be represented by a single formula tbh
it's y = 0 if x < 0.4, y = (x-0.4)*10 if 0.4 <= x <= 0.5, y = 1 - (x-0.5)*10 if 0.5 <= x <= 0.6 and y = 0 if x > 0.6
 
3:15 PM
Ok I figured it out
y = max(0, 1 - abs(0.5 - x) * 10)
 
3:50 PM
Anyone know any segfaults in Rusts perhaps due to compiler bugs
Without unsafe code
@H.PWiz Retina uses .NET and not ecmascript though?
 
4:05 PM
I know, the e option turns on .net ecmascript mode (which appears to be inaccurate)
 
4:25 PM
What would you name a class that calls a function asynchronously every n ms?
"Timer Class" feels a bit uninspired
 
@DJMcMayhem Cron or Scheduler?
I'm a fan of Cron
 
I suspect that if I named it Cron, the people who will end up reading it would have no idea what that means >_>
Very Windows-Centric
 
Scheduler is good then I think
 
@H.PWiz Yeah, good catch... I left it running overnight and found the same false positive.
It's weird, I remember reading something that made me sure that "at least two prime factors of single multiplicity" would be enough for robustness.
But must be remembering wrongly.
And yes, even without running this test, from what I read last night I agreed with you.
@H.PWiz Annoyed? Why? :) Annoyed at people repeatedly congratulating you on it? Congrats on the 10k anyway!
@H.PWiz Yes I was thinking the same thing after I went to bed.
about the {2,}
the other detail I didn't remember without looking at the regex
 
4:42 PM
@Mr.Xcoder Oh hey, that's a great question
 
@DJMcMayhem How about this: I / Somebody else post(s) a meta question about best of, and if within a 2-week period we have at least, say 10 volunteers for 250 or 500-rep bounties, then we do it, otherwise we'll skip it this year? I'd say that we should try to keep the existing "traditions" in place to keep this site "alive", perhaps.
 
We got 20 500 bounty offers last year. I doubt finding enough bounty-ers will be the hard part lol
 
Well then I don't see why we wouldn't try it
 
Agreed. I'd be happy to post the call for nominations sometime later today
 
Then if people don't show any kind of interest in proposing stuff then we'll just leave it there and wait for next year :)
@DJMcMayhem I can do it too now if you want by modifying the last year post.
 
4:52 PM
In which case we'll have best of 2018-2019? :P
 
@DJMcMayhem You mean call for categories?
 
Whoops, yeah that's what I meant
 
@DJMcMayhem Is that like the PPCG fiscal year
 
Yes, but our budget is $0
 
I'm sure we could raise a few bucks if we really needed to
 
4:57 PM
@Mr.Xcoder Sure, go for it. Ping me when it's up, and I can pin and it
We're only about 3 weeks behind, that's not too bad.
My company is going to be celebrating Christmas in late February.
 
@DJMcMayhem Just do chinese new year
 
actually, we could even do it in June, 2018 posts aren't lost lol
 
@Mr.Xcoder Mind if I edit that so it looks better on the starboard?
 
Go ahead
 
5:13 PM
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Q: Best of PPCG 2018 — Call for Categories

Mr. XcoderLast year we voted for the best posts of 2017 and rewarded them with bounties and challenges. I think it's a great way to reward and draw attention to some of the best content the community has created throughout the year, so let's do that again. (And hopefully, this year, we'll be able to sort e...

 
@Mr.Xcoder How should I edit in if I offer multiple times 500 rep?
 
Yes, just add a new title X 500 rep bounties offered by and add your name below
 
@Mr.Xcoder OK, done.
 
Wow, generous rewards there :)
 
wow that's 5k rep
 
5:36 PM
If all that was awarded today, and we graduated today, I'd still only be missing 400 rep to become a trusted user.
 
@Adám nah, you'd only be missing the site analytics... also, we've graduated, we just don't have a design (or just raised rep requirements) :P
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Oh, you're right. If needed, I'll double it.
 
> If needed, I'll [just offer 5k more, for a total of an astounding 10k].
 
@EriktheOutgolfer I don't even know what site analytics are. What's the value of rep beyond 25k?
 
@Adám you mean 20k ;) site analytics are next to useless
 
5:44 PM
@EriktheOutgolfer I wouldn't know. No idea how to access them.
 
@Adám review > tools > site analytics
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Speaking of raised privilege levels, Robert Cartaino responded the other day:
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A: Can we raise the privilege levels?

Robert CartainoI wanted to update everyone on what I've been working on because I've seen many discussions, proposals, and improvised solutions about how the Community Team might allocate various "graduation" features with or without a custom design (e.g. increased reputation threshold, elections, migrations, e...

 
@EriktheOutgolfer TIL.
What happened in early summer '17? The site peaked then, and has been dwindling ever since.
 
6:12 PM
Cellulare cancerogeno... Nn usare o usare il filo con auricolari per telefonare infoamica.it/la-radiazione-del-cellulare-e-un-cancerogeno-certo
 
@RosLuP wrong room?
 
@Adám looks like spam
 
@EriktheOutgolfer I don't think it is. RosLuP is a known and contributing user.
Also, the linked material seems to be a news article rather than trying to sell something.
 
Cellphone dangerous cancerous.... Not use or use with auricular infoamica.it/la-radiazione-del-cellulare-e-un-cancerogeno-certo
 
@RosLuP auricular is a headset
 
6:32 PM
The link says "Cellular radiation is (definitely) a carcinogen", and what RosLuP linked with it reads "Cellulars are carcinogens. Do not use them, or use with a headset". Still not sure whether this is spam or not.
 
ban
 
7:01 PM
When is it inappropriate to add a new answer to an old question?
 
^
 
The age of the challenge doesn't matter.
 
Ok.
 
CMC: Given an integer input of the area of a rectangle, output an ASCII-art of that rectangle with the perimeter minimized. You can use any printable ASCII character for the rectangle, so long as it's not whitespace and is consistent. Example: 12 should output either a 4x3 or 3x4 rectangle.
 
7:15 PM
@AdmBorkBork or simply given an integer n output two integers x and y where xy = n and x + y is minimized
 
But then it's not ASCII art and it's a duplicate of an existing challenge.
 
so be it, then... :P jk it's a CMC
 
So basically find the pair of factors of n with the smallest sum
 
Right
 
um... no, actually
"pair of factors of n" is a bit ambiguous...
 
7:26 PM
@EriktheOutgolfer how so?
 
let's first take the factors of n, then take some random pair of elements from that list :P
 
would "factor pairs of n" be better wording?
 
it must be like (f[x],f[-x-1]) in Python if f is the list of factors
and x is some index
@Skidsdev yep, that's what they're called :P
 
@EriktheOutgolfer shouldn't've doubted myself, that's what I put initially, but then I second-guessed and changed it
 
Oh, I see what you mean, Erik. Yeah, I can see how that's confusing.
 
7:36 PM
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Q: Create a grid as close to a square as possible

MartijnCreate a function or program that makes a grid as close to an square as possible You will be given an integer N as input, whole numbers (1,2,3,25, etc) The output must be a perfect rectangular grid of N letters as close to a square as possible The (wannabe)square must consist of one of the the ...

 
Bah
 
@AdmBorkBork May we assume the integer is larger than 1?
 
Sure
 
@AdmBorkBork Define consistent. May we consistently use the same sequence of characters to fill with?
 
7:51 PM
No. Meaning the fill is all X or all # or something like that.
 
-5
Q: You have reached your question limit

guest271314What? Have a question similar to Home on the Range of Lists. Why cannot this user ask the question? Does that mean that even if the question is posted at Sandbox and well-received that the question will still not be posted at the main site?

this persons biography is extremely normal
this person is definitely having a normal one
 
CMP: How would you translate and into pure ASCII?
 
@ConorO'Brien << and >> if multi-chars are allowed.
 
multi-chars are allowed, but I think those might be reserved for the actual << and >> symbols ("much less" and "much greater")
 
8:01 PM
@ConorO'Brien { and } if single chars.
 
@ConorO'Brien i would still use > because presumably youve made clear what kind of ordering is going on
i guess i dont know the context really
 
@ConorO'Brien We have no idea what the context is.
 
yes this is true
let me clarify
I'm making a programming language and it's got a bunch of mathematical symbols in it, and I want pure ascii equivalents so I don't have to copy-paste these unicode symbols each time. the operator a≺b tests if a+1==b and a≻b tests if a==b+1
()[]{} already have meanings, so they cannot be used
 
@ConorO'Brien So they don't mean precedes and follows?
 
@Adám oh they do, just in a more strict sense. "directly" precedes and "directly" succeeds
 
8:05 PM
@ConorO'Brien Since there will necessarily be lots of compromises when using ASCII only, we would need an entire table.
 
oh
so the immediate successor
 
@ConorO'Brien What about non-integers?
 
@Adám either default to < or error
 
@ConorO'Brien <| and |> maybe?
 
@Adám this is also true. I don't have a full table atm. <<, <<<, >>, >>> are all taken. for this particular problem, no other operator uses < and >
@Adám not bad. I think those are pipes in F# but really who cares about that lol
 
8:07 PM
-> <-
 
@ConorO'Brien except for <= and >= ofc
 
@ConorO'Brien What do those mean?
 
@Adám what they usually mean, less than or equal to and greater than or equal to
 
@ConorO'Brien If you're going for ASCII but otherwise resembling TMN (traditional mathematical notation), I'd make those _< and >_.
 
@Adám ooo those are nice
slightly better than <- e.g. since a<-b is also parsed as a < (-b), and it may be a bit confusing given the somewhat esoteric nature of the operator
 
8:11 PM
@ConorO'Brien <= => are obviously for "is implied by" and "implies that".
 
oh, I forgot about those... maybe ==> and <== instead
 
@ConorO'Brien So will |a| mean magnitude ("absolute value")?
 
@Adám just |a as a unary operator
 
~> <~
 
@ConorO'Brien OK, so you'll go the APL route. I presume !a will then be factorial.
 
8:13 PM
only vaguely related to the bend of the real symbol
i have no idea if ~ is a valid unary operator
 
@Adám correct
@quartata it is, what it usually means. for the bend I was thinking <: and :> or :< and >:
 
Oh, definitely go <: and :> ... they're happier than the other ones.
 
@ConorO'Brien What will you do for assignment? :=?
 
:=?
half of the mustache has been shaved off
little bit at the end
 
@quartata no, :=
 
8:16 PM
i was using it as a face
 
@quartata He's just smoking a pipe.
 
ahhhh
there it is
 
Ceci n'est pas une pipe
 
CMC : Funniest APL face which has real, non-trivial meaning (and thus, it has to be syntactically correct, at least as a snippet).
 
VTC: No objective definition of "Funniest"
 
8:19 PM
That's why it's a pop-con
 
CMCs don't need to be sooo objective :P
just please don't start using stars as votes ;)
 
@EriktheOutgolfer I know, I was satirically mimicking what Leaky Nun used to do with CMCs
 
from what I've seen in the past hour or something, he might be watching...
 
Leaky is always watching.... Waiting...
 
the only way to tell is to post an advanced mathematical term and wait ;P
 
8:22 PM
… and then suddenly, boom, a CMC requiring solving an unsolved mathematical problem or with computational complexity exceeding the Universe's capacity.
 
CMC: Prove that p = np
 
this might help...
 
Crap, ninja'd
 
E.g ¯8○| meaning –√(–1 – | x |²)
 
@DJMcMayhem wait i feel stupid for not getting the last step
 
8:28 PM
yeah same
 
if P is empty that just means P is in NP
 
it's much simpler
 
how does it go from e^-2P = 1 to P = 0?
 
x^0=1 as long as x is nonzero ;)
 
because anything to the zeroth power is 1
 
8:30 PM
all zeroth powers are 1 but not all 1s are zeroth powers
 
but 1^x=1, so -2P can't be some irrational number that makes e^(-2P) result in 1
 
e could be 1?
 
√1^2 = 1?
 
but e ≠ 1
 
√1
 
8:32 PM
i really dont know what youre talking about
 
neither do i tbh
 
just take log of both sides if you want to do it out explicitly
 
# [Wolfram Language (Mathematica)], 68 bytes

StringTrim[#<>"
"&/@Array["A"&,{x=Divisors@#~Quantile~.5,#/x}]<>""]&

[Try it online!][TIO-jrb2oyeo]

[Wolfram Language (Mathematica)]: https://www.wolfram.com/wolframscript/
[TIO-jrb2oyeo]: https://tio.run/##y00syUjNTSzJTE78n2b7P7ikKDMvPaQoMzda2cZOiUtJTd/BsagosTJayVFJTae6wtYlsyyzOL@o2EG5LrA0Ma8kMye1Ts9UR1m/ojYWqEMpVu1/moOhqYK@vkIA0KyS/wA "Wolfram Language (Mathematica) – Try It Online"
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Yes, but it's already inconsistent since e^-p = -1 implies that p can't be 0
 
well yeah
 
8:34 PM
well if that was the only inconsistency...
 
because guess what p is
-pi i
 
@lirtosiast Markdown doesn't work in multi-line chat messages.
 
@DJMcMayhem the real inconsistency there is that ² is an even power so you can't use it like that
 
@Adám I noticed.
 
8:37 PM
> It is UNHACKABLE
 
@Adám I still think is hilarious, but I have no idea what it means
 
that is in fact syntactically correct on its own...
 
@DJMcMayhem Selfie (or commute)
E.g. +⍨ plus selfie means add to self. So +⍨4 is 8.
And as commute, 2-⍨5 is 3.
 
How does that work?
 
@DJMcMayhem Which one?
 
8:44 PM
2-⍨5
 
@DJMcMayhem It simply swaps the arguments of the function to its left.
 
So it's kinda like a jelly quick
 
@DJMcMayhem it is exactly the same as.
 
so would 2-⍨8 be 6?
 
Jelly is an APL dialect.
@Skidsdev yes.
 
8:46 PM
@Adám I think that's a bit of a stretch
 
inb4 dennis confirms
 
It's like saying Brachylog is a dialect of Prolog
 
it says on the tin:
> Jelly is a golfing language inspired by J.
 
Not that same as being a dialect of J
 
the source of inspiration is clearly J, and J is an offspring of APL, so one can say Jelly is a grandchild of APL in a sense :P
not directly a dialect such as Dyalog or NARS2000, though
 
8:48 PM
I wouldn't consider Jelly an APL dialect or a J dialect
Fixed arity alone would mean it's its own language
 
We don't say English is a dialect of German even though it's a germanic language
 
yeah, the term "dialect" isn't entirely the same as "offspring"
the latter has to do with the source of inspiration, while the former implies pure evolution and no intentional creation
 
@Pavel I do. :p
 
@lirtosiast Like Q
 
Is it. Maybe I should learn Q.
 
8:53 PM
And Q is surely a dialect of K (which btw, has the same array model as Jelly — as opposed to APL and J), which turn is a dialect of APL.
 
TIL all single-letter programming languages are dialects of APL. ;-)
 
As a rule of thumb, if +/ (or \+) means sum, you're probably looking at an APL dialect/derivative.
 
@Adám note: Jelly's array model is simple flatness and vectorization is an independent property of atoms and quicks :P
 
@AdmBorkBork No, only A, I, J, K, and Q, afaik.
 
@AdmBorkBork C too? :P
 
8:55 PM
@EriktheOutgolfer Sure, but it was just to point out that being an APL dialect does not require multi-dimensional arrays.
RAD is also obviously an APL.
 
@Adám if "dialect" is used in a sense that means "offspring or evolutionary separation" rather than just the latter, that is
 
It still feels a bit strange to me to call most array-oriented languages APL dialects
 
@EriktheOutgolfer Since APL was invented before C, yes.
 
so, Python was invented after C, and it is implemented in C, but is it a dialect of C? ;-)
 
@lirtosiast Who does that? FORTRAN, MATLAB, and Wolfram Language are not APL dialects.
 
8:58 PM
MATLAB is imperative to me
and Mathematica is expression-based
 
@EriktheOutgolfer No, it's a dialect of APL. Keep up. ;-)
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Do you consider Haskell a Lisp dialect, or JS a C dialect?
 
or JS a... Java dialect?
@AdmBorkBork ancestorlessness? ;P
 
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Making sure to fill out the developer survey accurately
 
@H.PWiz By "I haven't figured out your solution exactly yet", did you mean you haven't figured out how to implement the algorithm described outside spoiler tags in a regex, or that you looked at the regex inside the spoiler tags and haven't figured out how it works?
 
9:11 PM
@mbomb007 Good point. I forgot that one.
 
9:22 PM
@Pavel english is also a latin language
 
Not a dialect of latin so¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
au contraire
 
@Skidsdev No, that's French.
 
@AdmBorkBork I'm aware
 
@Skidsdev I mean, it eventually used the alphabet but English is descendant from proto-germanic, Latin is father of the romance languages. They're both from the indo-european family though
 
9:32 PM
@Veskah huh, TIL
 
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/… If you want to see how it exactly shakes out
 
only thing I know about language geneology is that finnish and hungarian are alien
 
9:56 PM
@Skidsdev Let me teach you one more thing: A language is a dialect with an army and a fleet.
 
10:14 PM
@Mr.Xcoder Worst of PPCG 2018 with negative bounties
 
I want to give a negative bounty, give me rep
 
r/UnintendedConsequence/
 
Unintended? Certainly not
 
@Quintec I'll be happy to. Just win one of the "best of" categories.
 
@Quintec It wasn't intended by flawr, I assume
 
10:20 PM
@DJMcMayhem yeah, clearly not inteded by me, who would believe such a thing :P
 
I' ain't winnin' nuffin'
 
@flawr Wow, have a negative 25k bounty
 
@Veskah what are you gonna win? D:
 
@flawr Best at Everything obviously :^)
 
10:37 PM
Open question: How can we reward users other than bounties? There are a lot of categories I could think of where offering a bounty doesn't make sense as a reward, since you can only offer bounties on answers. Can we come up with other kinds of rewards that don't necessarily have to be on answers?
 
@DJMcMayhem Nice question in general. What truly has value?
 
Janky work around is slapping bounties on unrelated answers that the user has posted
Obviously not ideal
 
@DJMcMayhem But yes, it is generally recognised that it is much harder to write a good challenge than a good answer.
 
Hmm, You could post an Awards "Challenge" where awarded users/questions respond with links to their lauded thing. Then bounty that. Fractionally better than slapping it on random answers
 
I'm not a huge fan of that idea. It just doesn't seem like something that fits on main.
In the past, we'd have honorary challenges
 
10:43 PM
I agree it's not all that great
 
@DJMcMayhem The thing is that someone has to come up with a good challenge idea and probably ask the community to help (like a collaborative challenge writing) which would be cool but who would be able to do that?
 
Anyone who can write good challenges and doesn't mind volunteering some time?
 
Under these circumstances, I wish he had Calvin / Helka. :)
 
11:37 PM
@ASCII-only hmm ??.foo can't be used because it's ambiguous w/ null coalesce, any other ideas for something that has same beahvior?
 
11:57 PM
@Downgoat For what?
 
@Adám := and .=
 
@ConorO'Brien Don't tell me that's for global and local assignment.
 
Also unless ? is valid in identifiers I don't see how that can be ambiduous with null coalesce
 
@Adám .................it might not be
 
@ConorO'Brien Some J inspiration…
 
11:59 PM
yes
 
@ConorO'Brien :> is the F# upcast operator, just fyi. (:?> is downcast)
 
@Pavel oh, huh
are those anything like upgoats and downgoats
 

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