The Nineteenth Byte

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10:01 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing hmm so lambda uses the stack instead of arguments?

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, lambdas when called via a function pop the entire stack, then feed those as arguments.

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@cairdcoinheringaahing :/

caird coinheringaahing

@ASCII-only Added

DJMcMayhem

I'm an idiot

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I somehow managed to walk into a doorstop that was perfectly at face height and nearly poked my eye out

Destructible Lemon

@DJMcMayhem trying to get people to star you, huh?

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Erik the Outgolfer

10:05 PM

whenever somebody says "I'm an idiot" they get starred for some reason I can't yet understand...

DJMcMayhem

@DestructibleLemon No, just complaining.

It hurt really bad lol

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem Wait, a doorstop? How? Aren't they at ground level?

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing The ones that are intelligently designed are, yes

This one was at eye-height

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem do you mean the electronic locks where you push a button to get out?

caird coinheringaahing

Either that, or we have proof you really are a cat :P

Οurous

10:08 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer I think "that's because you're an idiot", sarcastically, is the correct response?

Destructible Lemon

it's because it's funny to star people being self-deprecating?

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@cairdcoinheringaahing why is this not working:
https://tio.run/##lVPdbtMwFL52nuIomhTQgtTCxaRVSKEd6gUgIXXbxaaKufHJmim1U/ukEE294WG44il4lL1IOXYaVMGYIFZiJ/7@fOxIpep6tztLizRL1e/X@JhnyDiypb5lQJzEKrvbCDGCWWOtabSCzyUtIQFaogbcyCqKztI7U2qGCw@cWJSEIKFodE6l0UAGPAAWLdzoG3C1zNFFIqDffpGrumK4vW1WqMmdChDX14lc5AqLBAbzeSQWF69eTgL8Y@OWLB0kRkLMzt9M3sFrOMBztIQpmbrMpl0eU7c@Apn67wzoX73b@5OjT23gPtMvTp7vAz9F7izZMQu0D2aDPNWb/knr24Bp9329t11avUFLntt9fYqeDILvj2/H@5XqnEuv@X4kLIBH82YROkpP00jE3UQMMVlE7tZxX2KyDS1b4O1t/MofieAp3K19grhFx3SFqOJfu1TIyuG/SUDCAvz0Al5vPFeXi4uwppnkUvJZg6p09H8qD1@/3xfboDJFCiIWXVPRYZoB@DaEYbCdZuM8EK7…

Destructible Lemon

you get to call someone an idiot anonymously?

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer No, like one of these things

Except higher up and more eye-gougy (that's totally an adjective)

@cairdcoinheringaahing haha

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@DJMcMayhem :/ what kind of sane person would put one of those at eye height though

Erik the Outgolfer

10:10 PM

@Οurous heresy! I hope stars aren't the new way to hide offensive replies

Οurous

@ASCII-only one who wasn't

DJMcMayhem

@ASCII-only And more importantly, why would it be the door instead of the wall?

caird coinheringaahing

@ASCII-only So B+ takes a list to concatenation (works with strings as a no-op). Add a B] before the B+

totallyhuman

so many single stars

Erik the Outgolfer

none of them look spammy, yet they induce the same feeling because that's what you usually see when somebody is star-spamming

Adám

10:12 PM

@DJMcMayhem Ouch. Feel better. Good thing your eye is ok, though.

DJMcMayhem

Thanks

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám me too

moonheart08

@EriktheOutgolfer I don't even have a working prototype to publish, besides a working encoder/decoder :P

I'm slow ok? :P

Erik the Outgolfer

just publish whatever you have

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@moonheart08 what is this

Destructible Lemon

10:16 PM

huh i just found a bug in my interpreter while writing a challenge

moonheart08

@ASCII-only tiny experimental golf lang that i'm throwing around

@ASCII-only here, have a truth machine based on the rough draft inside my head: 0{0p}{{1p}⥀}⤙

Destructible Lemon

Truth machine from Quarterstaff: 49-?{49!}49!

which is implemented, but still undergoing some changes

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@cairdcoinheringaahing Why does it sometimes say the stack is empty when I try B]

moonheart08

ok. I'm not really trying to make the smallest ever golflang :P

Destructible Lemon

explanation of quarterstaff truth machine

moonheart08

10:25 PM

@DestructibleLemon you can search that in the search bar program for the explanation

it's quite lengthy :P

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also :( there's no b#

see this is why Charcoal is so much more user-friendly it has verbose mode and astifier and decent wiki

@cairdcoinheringaahing also B# sorts the stack right

Destructible Lemon

(value = 0 to start) 49 - add 49 to value - - invert value (value = -49 now) ? - take a character of input (49 for 1, 48 for 0), and add it to the value (value = 0 or -1 now) { - begin while not loop. will only be entered if input is 1 or starts with 1. 49 - add 49 ! - print value, set value to 0. } - end while not loop. 49 - add 49 ! - print value, set to 0

Οurous

Why does give me nothing for truth machine? Is it a PPCG term?

Destructible Lemon

messy but it is an explanation

DJMcMayhem

@Οurous Yes

Sorry Lemon :P

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10:30 PM

wait. what does B# do

caird coinheringaahing

@ASCII-only Can you send a TIO?

@ASCII-only Sort each value in the stack (or it should)

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Never mind. Now my problem is how to sort a single element >_>

@cairdcoinheringaahing yeah finally looked at the source when you didn't reply for too long

caird coinheringaahing

@ASCII-only Sorry, parents sent me to bed (on mobile atm)

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And there's no pair function either

caird coinheringaahing

As in a, b => [a, b]?

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10:38 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing yes

caird coinheringaahing

b]$b]$+ should work

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:|||||||||||| yeah but that's too long

Nor is there uniquify. How did you golf 10 bytes O_o

Destructible Lemon

posted first quarterstaff answer in a catalogue

caird coinheringaahing

@ASCII-only I use Add++ a lot

@ASCII-only q converts to a set

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You also wrote it. That might've helped a bit.

caird coinheringaahing

10:40 PM

@ASCII-only Just a bit :P

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@cairdcoinheringaahing oh also where is º defined

caird coinheringaahing

In the QUICKS property in StackScript

HyperNeutrino

CMP: Should this behavior be removed?

also gtg will read responses when I get back

totallyhuman

@HyperNeutrino yes, if you want proton to be a practical language

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino I'd say remove it if you want Proton to be practical

totallyhuman

10:47 PM

ninja'd

caird coinheringaahing

I'm used to it by now :P

Martin Ender

@ØrjanJohansen you're quite familiar with Fueue, right? can you recommend any particular implementation?

Adám

@HyperNeutrino Nah, if inline comments are truly ignored, then why? Sure, maybe that's bad programming practice and obscures the code, but you can hardly make a language which prevents the programmer from writing bad code.

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Oh wait I forgot the naive method

totallyhuman

right but you can intentionally disable some things

if you can, why not? there's no practical purpose to it anyways

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10:56 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing hang on what is vanilla mode

Adám

@totallyhuman It would just be yet another syntax rule to remember. As it is, inline comments can be anywhere (except inside strings, I presume). Period.

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@HyperNeutrino even Charcoal doesn't do that

crap apparently Charcoal's nested comments are broken

oh well

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11:09 PM

Someone should really clean up the sandbox

DJMcMayhem

I've actually been thinking about that recently

totallyhuman

we tried that before (unless you're talking about unposted ones)

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@totallyhuman Yes...

Also clean up bad answers e.g. most of those for metaregex golf

@cairdcoinheringaahing I only have two alternative 28 byte solutions :/

Stephen

@HyperNeutrino Doesn't work in Python, Python is always right, so no

totallyhuman

*incoming 'python is never right' comments*

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Riker

11:23 PM

@HyperNeutrino that's just a plain comment right

just happens to be the way comments are parsed

Laikoni

@Adám For me the common rule that an in-line comment essentially acts like white space and thus separates tokens feels quite natural, as they visually do separate tokens.

Adám

@Laikoni So you'd say that foo/*comment*/goo is equivalent to foo goo and not foogoo?

Laikoni

Yes, definitively.

moonheart08

‹
Pushes an invisible ‘begin array’ marker to the stack. Other functions pretend it doesn’t exist unless specified otherwise.
›
Creates an array composed of values on the stack. Stops eating values off the stack when it encounters a ‘begin array’ marker or the end of the stack.

Why do more golf langs not use that kind of trick for arrays?

You could do all sorts of intresting tricks using that

Destructible Lemon

Quarterstaff non-negative integer input program: 10-?[-38a a a a a a a a a a>a10-?]

Adám

11:26 PM

@HyperNeutrino What does 3 * * 4 mean?

Destructible Lemon

the integer gets stored in a

recursive

@moonheart08 I've definitely seen that in a few places before. But I don't see it as particularly good or golfy. It uses two dedicated bytes to build arrays.

Destructible Lemon

hmm i also need to figure out how to get the remainder for the prime checker program , which probably means figuring out how to check if a number is negative

moonheart08

@recursive well, it's 1 1/8th bytes for me (9 bit encoding) but yea.

Destructible Lemon

or not... it might be a bit tricky

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11:33 PM

@moonheart08 In which case it's 2.25 bytes total, not 2

Οurous

@totallyhuman Python is always left.

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@moonheart08 well, Charcoal has array literals

moonheart08

@totallyhuman Python is always w+

Pavel

@Stephen Python doesn't have inline comments though

Destructible Lemon

i think i did a pretty good job on this new esolang. it looks pretty nice and it's got that challenging aspect and stuff

what i have for the prime checker (not in a working state, just what i'm in the middle of writing): 10-?[-38a a a a a a a a a a>a10-?]a>b b[.1-b>b a>c c[-1>c 1-d>d b d(.>e|.>d1>e)c]f e>f]

moonheart08

11:39 PM

I was off by one row

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@moonheart08 wait wat

Destructible Lemon

ok so the program hangs right now hmph

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@DestructibleLemon go to rubberduck debugging ty

moonheart08

@EriktheOutgolfer You asked, you received. Have the very preliminary docs for what i have roughly sketched out. github.com/moonheart08/quark

Erik the Outgolfer