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12:14 AM
@DJMcMayhem It's not just about highway signs, but lots of machined parts and schematics are produced according to imperial units. I mean, you could change every instance of "3/8 inch" to "9.525 mm" but it's obvious that the imperial is still there underneath, and the "imperial" parts are still incompatible with "metric" parts.
 
12:41 AM
@PhiNotPi It doesn't have to be done all at once, I think. Highway signs have to be replaced occasionally anyway. Replace them with signs that list both units. Leave old schematics in imperial units, but produce new ones with metric units.
Over time, drop imperial units alltogether.
 
12:55 AM
@PhiNotPi That's an actual problem. 1/2" water pipes, e.g., are used all over the world.
 
What's the best way to handle input/output for a programming language with "2 time dimensions"?
 
Two what?
 
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Q: Programming in two time dimensions

OwenIt's a funny accident that this world happens to have just 1 time dimension, but it doesn't have to be like that. It's easy to imagine worlds with 2 or more time dimensions, and in those worlds you could build computers and run software on them, just like in this one. The System Here is a syste...

Long story short: I wrote a brute-forcer for a new BF variant and want to do something with it, but the language doesn't have I/O defined yet.
 
1:54 AM
If anyone hasn't seen this, please vote on these (not the question but the answers), for the bounty
IMO it should go to one of the later ones but I can't control that due to the bounty message. I want to bounty either one of them but placing another one would mean doubling the rep
 
Anonymous
@PhiNotPi And that challenge is why 2 time dimensions doesn't work: it's unpredictable
 
2:29 AM
inb4 I get foo'd
I am taking a fairly big risk here, never know what Lisp-like might take that code seriously
but oh well
at least then I'll get to explain it and that'll be fun
 
@quartata oo nice :D
 
Anyone have a userscript to count how many answers each answerer has?
 
Anonymous
@MDXF inquestion:<question id> user:<user id> is:a
 
@Mego Yeah I mean one we can insert into the Robbers' thread for the new PLQ
 
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2:44 AM
Probably could just GET the page and parse it
 
@totallyhuman If in theory I were to know what you were referring to, I would theoretically tell you that the program runs fine without them (and copy pastes correcty anyways)
a select few may enjoy reading between the lines
I hope someone actually does solve this the fun way (hint hint @ConorO'Brien)
 
I've been searching for the past 10 minutes
 
2:59 AM
Maybe start with the fourth line hint
 
That's alot of hints
 
I've been analyzing the lovely unprintable blob
 
perhaps, but who says what the merit of each is
 
I'm basically disregarding any hint as being a red herring :P
 
they all have a positive purpose, even if it might not seem that way
the question is of the socratic variety
 
3:04 AM
I should make a web crawler that scours the internet for obscure language interpreters.
 
that's all for now
 
@Pavel It looks exactly like a Chromebook I bought five years ago
@quartata wait where are the unprintables?
I'm hearing about unprintables but I see 0
 
Anonymous
@MDXF You don't see them because they're unprintable
 
yeah I dont know what they mean
 
3:11 AM
@Pavel The specs are kinda vague.
 
Anonymous
 
@Mego Oh my
 
@Pavel that's pretty cool, a modern netbook with actual linux
 
why not cat | xxd? :P
 
@Mego Fake news
although tbf the blame2 hint was literally just for you
 
3:12 AM
@ConorO'Brien That's feline abuse.
 
It's neat, but I haven't bought a laptop in forever, so I don't know how it compares to similarly priced laptops.
 
@Dennis it's just laughing very hard
 
I think where it saves is in time. pre-installed linux == no driver nightmare
now if someone would do it for elementaryOS
 
@quartata yeah, but it comes with an Ubuntu based OS
I'll be putting a new os on it anyway
I'm just wondering if not paying the "Windows tax" actually makes it cheaper.
 
OK one last clue: the (non-existent) unprintable blob is probably not where you should start unless you have 200 IQ
 
3:17 AM
The only CPU that fits the description is the i7-7500U, which is fairly decent. 4 GiB of RAM is a bad joke though.
 
I shoud have figured that'd be the first thing people would fixate on and not the plaintext hints....
 
@Dennis I think there's only 4gb because it's ddr4.
Although 8gb ddr3 would be better
 
4 GB would be doable if you don't use Chrome
 
KDE is also fairly hungry.
 
@totallyhuman we're top two for the robbers' thread of TPL, you're beating me by 10 D:
 
3:19 AM
heh
 
Not even fair you cracked so many of mine
 
what's not fair :P
 
woah when did i get 200 more rep
 
You can get more RAM, but it'll cost you. Not really a competetive price imho.
 
@totallyhuman nothing but I want something to complain about
 
3:20 AM
lol
 
@moonheart08 site wide association bonus, perhaps?
 
@ConorO'Brien looks like it, but i was at like 150 when i last checked. I did just get said bonus tho
 
@Dennis so, all-in-all, Windows Tax theory doesn't hold up?
 
hm, that must be it then
 
I've constantly been trying to maintain 1/3 of the total robbers but I started failing a couple of hours ago :(
 
3:22 AM
I wonder if I should make Unscramble the Source Code, Mark II.
 
Here's a fun CMC: 1..100->disp. It a PLQ but has no rosetta stone, esolangs, or wikipedia article.
 
I'm tempted to start answering code golf problems in esoteric/old/rarely used assembly languages, like i did three days ago for the R16K1S60
It was fun to make solutions using the R16K1S60
 
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@ConorO'Brien It's one of your 1000 undocumented GitHub languages, isn't it? :P
 
@ConorO'Brien it works in my unreleased lang DSP that's on my local machine
 
@Mego >_____> maybe
 
3:23 AM
@Pavel You could only tell for sure if the same model of the same manufacturer came also with Windows, but Chromebooks are usually quite a bit cheaper than comparable models that come with Windows.
 
tbf I am going back and documenting each. I just stumbled across it
 
Kevin
 
ah, kevin
 
Microsoft does impose a licensing fee for windows systems i am certain, maybe like $ 50 100 per unit.
 
no, it's not kevin
@MDXF release it! the more, the merrier
 
3:24 AM
@ConorO'Brien actually I have no idea what machine it's on
 
Nah just kidding. Gotta be something that transpiles to TI BASIC
 
I have 6 RasPi's and 3 laptops sitting in a box
It might be on one of those
 
lol
 
Or it's on one of the many DOS machines in my basement from when I was 8-17
But I know I wrote a lang called DSP and that looks like its syntax (obviously not sure though)
 
fuck I forgot to put in a shoutout to simpleflips
firstworldproblems
 
3:27 AM
oh gosh I implemented decimal numbers using a "." operator in one of my languages. it casts both of its operands to integers and concatenates them with a decimal point ಠ_ಠ (3.4).(2.7) => 3.2
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@Dennis What does Envianos el tuyo mean? The Slimbook store isn't listening when I tell it to display in English.
 
Send us yours.
3
 
@ConorO'Brien that's pretty good
 
I'm suprised that iovoid's answer isn't cracked yet.
 
Without further context, I'd guess they buy your used computer at a low rate.
 
3:31 AM
@Dennis It's one of the secondary hard drive options.
@Dennis But why does this have stars, I wonder.
 
Ah, alright. They'll install your own HDD then.
 
Yeah. I was wondering why there was a 9€ hard drive option :P
 
It's kinda neat if you already have one and don't want to pop oprn thr laptop, I guess.
 
Which is the case for me (I have dozens scavenged from dead laptops), but I don't know if any will fit. Laptop parts are tricky.
 
@ConorO'Brien (this isn't my guess) but if you intended this to be Somme it's broken
 
3:44 AM
@MDXF well... shizle.
 
@ConorO'Brien Was it Somme??
 
Prints 100..1 instead of 1..100
(deletion required I guess)
 
that can't be right... I coulda sworn.
that pisses me off
 
Oh hey, I cracked a submission... I wish there were an answer auto-formatter for robbers.
 
3:46 AM
was it mine
 
@ConorO'Brien sorry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
no reason to be
 
@Pavel Unless it's 9.5mm or higher, it should fit.
 
Oh hey, somebody already posted an Element answer. That's cool.
But then I just proceeded to out-golf it.
 
phi you're killing me here did you crack mine
so nervous rn
 
3:52 AM
@Dennis Also, I don't know if using a hard drive from nothing more recent than a 2002 Toshiba laptop is a good idea.
 
No not yours
 
phew
 
@Pavel Well, if it's a PATA drive, it also won't fit. And probably not spin up anymore.
 
Also there's a good chance the laptops were thrown out in the first place due to drive failures.
 
No, I just cracked a really easy O answer from a couple days ago. Surprised it went uncracked for so long being the shortest answer at 9 bytes.
 
4:02 AM
@PhiNotPi o ok
 
surprised how little ??? there is
I think the best of TPLQ was the ??? image one
 
which one was that?
 
the one that looked like piet iirc
 
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A: The Programming Language Quiz

Dennis???, 344 bytes, cracked by jimmy23013 Here's a hexdump of the file:​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​ 0000000: 47 49 46 38 37 61 0d 00 0d 00 85 13 00 00 00 00 GIF87a.......... 0000010: 00 00 c0 00 00 ff 00 c0 00 00 ff 00 00 c0 c0 00 ................ 0000020: ff ff c0 00 00 ff 00 00 c0 00 c0 ff 00 ff c0 c0 .....

 
oh hey I forgot that was you
 
4:24 AM
@lol I remember your first and last name based on your profile but I can't remember your former SE username :/
you used to be SIGSEGV I think, right?
 
5:05 AM
yes
 
...oops i had minxomat ignored
 
lol
I think the misclick potential of the "ignore" feature is too high.
 
5:24 AM
I just wish I could ignore people irl.
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

quartataRegex Golf Generators cops-and-robbers kolmogorov-complexity regex Challenge: Cops: The cops must post a 150 byte or less program in any language that outputs between 20 and 200 strings of printable ASCII (this excludes newlines), half of them "match" strings and half "don't match" strings. Y...

Dredged this out of the sandbox, thoughts?
 
I'm a big fan of sandbox dredging.
 
I think in its original incarnation an uncracked submission yielded no points but people said that was too weird
starting to feel more confident in this cop now that I've already had one unsuccessful crack
 
Hmm.... does that CnR require the the cop know of a solution before it gets posted? I'm guessing not.
 
> Java Southeast asian edition
 
5:44 AM
CMP: Best laptop in the $600-$800 range
 
acer laptop
best laptop? get a display model for like >30% off :P
 
Recent Acer models are actually quite good.
 
I know Acer has a bad reputation, but the last time I was seriously looking for a laptop to buy was probably around 2012.
 
Oh, they used to be absolute crap.
 
I know, but I couldn't see how they'd still be absolute crap after all these years.
 
5:48 AM
my brother got one a few months ago
i'd say it's still crap, but i don't really have anything to compare it to
but it was like <$800 here in australia
 
My wife is very happy with her Chromebook.
 
@Pavel how would they improve though >_>
 
WAIT WHAT
@Dennis looks on amazon page for box oh wait
 
@Dennis That does look nice.
 
5:51 AM
I bought a few of these for coworkers. They were very happy with them.
It has the same processor as the more expensive KDE model, twice the RAM, twice the SSD space, and it folds into a tablet.
 
kde model?
 
i would have preferred getting one of those but i don't think it's easy to find one that cheap here, so i got a spectre x2 instead
 
I feel like laptop manufacturers intentionally don't want me to be able to see what their laptops' keyboard looks like.
 
I buy all my electronics from the US. They're way too expensive here.
 
5:53 AM
None of the laptops I've looked at have provided decent images of the keyboard.
 
@Dennis so basically that linux laptop is a ripoff
@Pavel well yeah because they're probably mostly trying to sell it based on looks
plus you can pretty much tell what the keyboard looks like
 
You can't really compare prices from the US with prices the EU. The taxes alone make a huge difference.
 
@ASCII-only I was considering a Lenovo Yogabook before realizing the right shift was tiny and akwardly placed.
 
There's a right Shift?
 
@Pavel what i really wanted when i got this laptop was a lenovo x1 carbon (it's way out of your price range though)
wait.
the yogabook? the one with the touch keyboard?
don't get that, the keyboard is terrible. not only the right shift
 
5:58 AM
@ASCII-only I don't think that's it.
 
images pls then
i searched up yogabook and all the images i see are the one with the touch keyboard
 
@ASCII-only Sorry, not yogabook. Just Yoga.
Hmm, I wonder if I have any hope of getting a laptop fingerprint sensor to work on Linux
 
don't they all cost a fortune though
 
Bonus points if it works when I run sudo from the command line.
@ASCII-only They start at ~800
 
but i thought your price range ended at 800
 
6:01 AM
Right, I was looking at the low-end yogas.
 
CMP: Should Proton support statements like f(3) = 4 that add a specific case to the function such that f(x) where x != 3 is still the old value but f(3) will be 4?
 
Like one of these
@HyperNeutrino If you go that route you might as well support full-on Haskell-like pattern matching.
 
i thought this was low end
 
@ASCII-only Well, we all know I'm godawful at searching
 
@HyperNeutrino yes pls
 
6:04 AM
hm okay. yeah it will require a slight amount of extra work to make the parser recognize <function_call> = <rvalue> and for the interpreter to read that correctly but I should be able to manage it, I think. I was just wondering if people would be like "yay fun" or "that's dumb" :P
 
@HyperNeutrino and maybe f(condition)
 
@ASCII-only I'd rather see f(x) when condition
@ASCII-only That one actually has a decent right shift
 
@HyperNeutrino Sure! Very useful for defining base-cases of recursive functions, like factorial(0) = 1.
 
@Pavel it's 12", maybe the other 12" yogas have the same keyboard?
 
So like f(x when x < 5) = 0?
 
6:07 AM
@ASCII-only Nope. I checked. The more high-end ones have the crappy rshift
 
well, there's a more expensive model of that, but it's quite a lot more expensive
 
Yeah
 
@HyperNeutrino i'd prefer f(x < 5) = 0, and f(x % 2 == 0) = 0
 
Hm. The problem with that is then how do you pass x < 5 (as a boolean) into the function?
 
@ASCII-only That could only work if function parameter names can't ever shadow global variables.
 
6:10 AM
@HyperNeutrino oh right >_>
 
If I have f(x+y<3), Are x and y both arguments, or is y a global variable I'm comparing the one argument x against?
Even if we say one argument per condition, which one? x or y? What if x and y are both global variables?
 
that's why I'd prefer f(x, y when x + y < 3) or something like that
 
Yep
 
so that way I can do f(x when x + y < 3) to use global y for comparing
 
@HyperNeutrino I don't know if you have this yet, but you should have function pipes, e.g. x |> f is the same as f(x).
 
6:12 AM
oh hm ok
question: how would that be useful though?
oh so like "enter number >>>" |> input |> int |> do_stuff |> print?
 
@HyperNeutrino It's useful if you have a lot of functions inside each other to avoid parenthesis hell.
It also helps visualize the flow of data more clearly.
Your example is perfect
 
@HyperNeutrino does proton have function binding (adding some, not all, of the arguments, which returns a function)
iirc it did?
 
oh ok I see
@ASCII-only yes; the old Proton did have it but it worked horribly, Proton 2.0 should fix that
 
yeah, since you have that, function pipes would be a lot more useful
 
@HyperNeutrino Also, [foo, bar] |*> baz to splat the left argument.
 
6:16 AM
hm ok
 
also. i'm kinda thinking about making a kind of universal language, but i'm not sure what kind of language features would be needed. OOP (classes, namespaces) would be a must right?
 
@HyperNeutrino You can also get really fancy: "Hello, World!" |> print(?, end="")
 
ooh that would be cool
since ? doesn't mean anything currently :D
 
(All these features blatantly stolen from Coconut)
Although in Coconut, you would do print$(?, end="") to indicate you're doing partial application, which I think isn't necessary given that it can be implied from the presense of ?.
 
oh also: what would be the most sensible way to implement ? as a way to automatically create functions? as in ? + ? would become (a, b) -> a + b, but would f(? + ?) return a function accepting two parameters or would it pass the function to f
 
6:23 AM
pass the function to f
 
@Pavel I just wrote a partial macro for Appleseed that uses ? exactly like that. What a co-inkydink.
 
for the other one you could do (? + ?) >> f
 
@ASCII-only What if you need to reference an argument more than once?
 
@HyperNeutrino where else would you expect it to stop. everything but basic arithmetic?
 
6:28 AM
@Pavel for VSL i intended that to be something like =>{$0 + $0} (i don't really remember)
 
6:44 AM
 
They were "using the supercomputers to mine bitcoins". If you "know what I mean".
 
 
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10:21 AM
@labela--gotoa Late response but how about "target stack"?
 
10:42 AM
ooh, @ASCII-only is around?
 
11:02 AM
Actually C++ (Boost IIRC) use _1 for lambda template parameters.
So a function may looks like '_1+_2'.
 
 
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1:11 PM
@Pavel I would personally always go second hand. I also recommend Thinkpads, this one for example is very good value for money. I think they're not super light though
 
2:02 PM
CMP: which is better: 3 |> pred |> (^ 6) |> print or print $ (^ 6) $ pred 3
 
Anonymous
@totallyhuman The secodn one because it is shorter
 
:P neither of them are golfed though
 
@totallyhuman print . (^6) . pred $ 3
 
Anonymous
2:18 PM
@totallyhuman Even betterer
 
Anonymous
@Potato44 Longer than 11 bytes, so nothx :P
 
@Mego You get fix too as a bonus
 
Anonymous
Don't pay for what you're not using
 
3:11 PM
if you don't need to, don't pay for what you're using either :P
 
3:46 PM
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

user71546Convert Arabic Numbers to Chinese Numbers code-golf There EXISTS a similar question, "Convert Chinese numbers", but the question itself differs from that question by: That question asks for a shortest code converting Chinese numbers to Arabic numbers, but this asks for a shortest code...

 
4:08 PM
Is there a name for this (and is that a fallacy): "it's not good" "the you do it better"
 
It's probably called frustration :p /s
 
then *** too late for edit
 
4:24 PM
@betseg this
 
4:40 PM
-2
Q: write a code for matching key word from your directory

khushdeep kauri want a java code which will prompts you to input an keyword and then reads the keyword.it will look for keyword in the directory you will hard code, and search for the keyword in that directory and gives output if it matches or not.

 
I have a bad feeling every time we direct a new user posting an off-topic question to the "help center" of SO, thinking of what could happen next...
 
don't worry stackoverflow is much better at handling this than we are
they have bots
some of them are even sentient
 
4:56 PM
the thing is that we should not make users think they're unwelcome, and directing them to an even stricter community abut such stuff will most definitely make them feel like that
 
Anonymous
@EriktheOutgolfer Redirecting (not migrating) programming questions to SO with a message explaining why they're off-topic here is Being Nice. Whether or not SO users Be Nice is not something we can control. We did our part.
 
I didn't blame you, don't worry
 
Anonymous
Also I feel less bad about using my canned comment bookmark when the user doesn't even have the decency to look at the purpose of this site before posting obvious homework questions
 
5:14 PM
ok the one cop with -O2 is really annoying me
I tried every single one of Conor's languages that need minimist and no dice
 
the flag's a no-op
conor edited that in a couple of hours later :P
 
pffft
ok
trying to eliminate all of the shorter cops
 
5:27 PM
@AdmBorkBork in case you are wondering about what I just did with one of your answers, the development version of the snippet is fine with that humorous comment, but I remembered that it's just the development version after I've rolled back my edit
BTW, should the uncracked answers be sorted by bytecount or time until safe by default?
 
5:38 PM
oh well lasted a decent amount of time
and now I get to make another one
 
@quartata rip. I got zsh, but not much else
 
I realized after posting it that you'd think blame2 premier was me blaming you for that bug in Premier
that was unintentional I swear
 
I assumed that it was some french programming thing :P
 
codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/155052/55550 is the oldest one ... anyone have a clue?
 
it's not any of my languages
 
5:47 PM
Not Tampio, not Beatnik, not oOo CODE
also not ???
 
Not Z nor ZZZ either.
 
Has anybody got a working Headsecks interpreter?
 

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