The Nineteenth Byte

Low Orbit Ion Cannon (LOIC) is an open source network stress testing and denial-of-service attack application, written in C#. LOIC was initially developed by Praetox Technologies, but was later released into the public domain, and now is hosted on several open source platforms. == Use == LOIC performs a DoS attack (or when used by multiple individuals, a DDoS attack) on a target site by flooding the server with TCP or UDP packets with the intention of disrupting the service of a particular host. People have used LOIC to join voluntary botnets. The software inspired the creation of an independent...

Downgoat

Lame Online Iguana Club

Thomas Ward

12:25 AM

i've seen some LOIC botnets sitting on port 666 before.

HyperNeutrino

lol ok

ATaco

Limited Obstacle Integration Contraption

Lovely Oranges Indulging Cheerily

HyperNeutrino

wtf

> Gleefully

> LOIC

ATaco

Oh...

Pavel

Lovely Oranges Indulging Cleefuly

ATaco

12:27 AM

Fear not, I know many happy Adverbs.

Thomas Ward

@HyperNeutrino well... LOIG stands for Low Orbit Ion Gunstation, which is a fictional high-powered energy weapons platform that exists in one of my fictional universes.

so...

but LOIC is what we're talking about :P

HyperNeutrino

> one of my fictional universes

how many fictional universes do you have

Thomas Ward

@HyperNeutrino i have seventeen separate universes on paper, with many sets of individual characters in each. I'd share but all of the universes are currently in the middle of a very dark, very bloody, very evil war which I can't write about here.

HyperNeutrino

lol

Thomas Ward

wth 60 Minutes is impinging upon my Star Trek needs.

ATaco

12:32 AM

So I'd assume you're at the very least a fan of Pen and Paper RPGs?

That or you're an infinitely powerful god creating universes at your whim, which I would rather not think to be possible.

Thomas Ward

does D&D count?

@ATaco Actually let's go with this one

ATaco

God can enjoy D&D, he probably plays a bard.

Thomas Ward

yeah, I'm an infinitely multidimensional multispectral multiphasic entity with unlimited power, and can create universes at my whim

and destroy them too

caird coinheringaahing

@ThomasWard Yet surprisingly, you aren't on Worldbuilding

Thomas Ward

and that's a problem why?

ATaco

12:34 AM

What's wrong with world building? >:(

caird coinheringaahing

@ThomasWard not a problem, merely an observation

ATaco

My second most rep is on WB.

Thomas Ward

@cairdcoinheringaahing Well, I have many universes which are actually spinoffs of others

or ultimately are of my own private creation in my mind which encompasses MANY universes from many different shows/literature/worlds which I've already based on, and in turn has an overarching military empire which has the infinite power of fifteen quadrillion heavy warships, dreadnaughts, and indestructible impossibly-powerful military Dyson Sphere space facilities...

... of which I am in charge...

... so... :P

(there's a reason I'm considered Chaotic Neutral or Chaotic Evil in D&D campaigns lol)

HyperNeutrino

gtg now o/

Thomas Ward

you're just afraid of my brain @HyperNeutrino loljk

see ya

caird coinheringaahing

12:37 AM

@ThomasWard Why did I get the feeling that you work for Marvel, with all these spinoffs :P

Thomas Ward

@cairdcoinheringaahing no idea. (Some of the Marvel Cinematic Universe exists in my overarching universal canon in my head, though, so blah)

@cairdcoinheringaahing the more evil thing you should be concerned about is:

why is my military empire of which I'm the ultimate power in, which spans many universes and galaxies and has a war armada and space fleet so powerful that nothing can really stand against it for long, resorting to extremely powerful planet-destroying / starsystem-destroying weapons in this five thousand year war that's been ongoing in all the universes.

such military power should just be able to roll over any enemy forces and subdue them. so why such evil heavy weapons.

consider that for a while, while I go watch Star Trek discovery now that it's supposed to be on in 5 minutes.

HyperNeutrino

1:17 AM

@ThomasWard mhm definitely

Maltysen

what are the best js obsfucators u guys know?

JSF**k

nah

jsfuck.com

that expands wayyyy to much

ATaco

1:20 AM

That'll definitely make anything you pump in unreadable, guaranteed.

Maltysen

im selling a boojmarklet and i dont want anyone messing with it

@ATaco it not only has to be unreadable, but also dont ant anyone disabling the online license check

ATaco

StackExchange thought they could hide their EasterEggs from me, but I broke into them.

Maltysen

and jsfuck is easy to reverse programaticaly

Destructible Lemon

1:32 AM

I have discovered an interesting game that might be useful for a koth idea...

Triplanetary (board game)

Triplanetary was a science fiction board wargame published by Game Designers' Workshop in 1973. It was a simulation of space combat within the solar system in the early 21st Century. The game was designed by Marc W. Miller and John Harshman as part of a series to be named "The Stars! The Stars!". The game is loosely taken from SF novels and short stories of the 1930’s, 40’s and 50’s - - particularly Heinlein . A second edition of the game was issued in 1981. In 1989, Steve Jackson acquired the rights to the game, with ambitions to release a new version of the game in 1991 that would tighten up...

ATaco

CMC: Given a byte, reverse its binary representation. EG: 128 -> 1

Destructible Lemon

I would make it so that turns are simultaneous, at least

ATaco

I still believe Simplicity is what makes or breaks a KoTH.

Destructible Lemon

yes. which is why this idea appeals to me

it makes acceleration and deceleration much simpler

ATaco

Consider some of the most attractive KoTHS: Prisoner's Dilemma, RPS, variations of RPS, etc.

Destructible Lemon

1:41 AM

nah those ones only get a bunch of answers because it takes less effort to make answers

if you actually asked people who participates in multiple koths their favourite koth, it would probably be something else

ATaco

...

Well of course, but I don't expect a perfect dinner for every meal.

Destructible Lemon

it's more accessible, but that doesn't make it good

like how you guys don't like multi-language koths much

ATaco

(Also, if you make a KoTH demanding I use Python, I probably won't compete)

Destructible Lemon

speaking of which, I will have to make a new language for the koth to make it fair

tbh it doesn't bother me too much because I've sorta been looking for an excuse to make a language

Pavel

._.

But then people will have to learn the language

Destructible Lemon

1:44 AM

yes

but when everyone is slightly disadvantged, noone is

ATaco

I say probably, because there is Some Exceptions

Destructible Lemon

so, like, what paradigm should my language have? how about some assembly style stuff for fun

because spaceships with assembly style language programs sorta appeals to me

ATaco

Remember when I said I believe simplicity is what makes or breaks a KoTH?

Destructible Lemon

assembly is simple though

ATaco

Writing a new language for a KoTH not based around that language seems kinda...

Destructible Lemon

1:46 AM

if you have higher level commands in it especially

@ATaco yeah but I don't know javascript, and like 4 people will participate if it's python

Do you know Java?

no

:\

Use Nathan's Java KoTH server

ATaco

Learn some Practical languages, Foo'

HyperNeutrino

1:47 AM

it's apparently really nice

Destructible Lemon

@ATaco what does this have to do with java?

HyperNeutrino

Final Feedback?

3

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Finding Snakes in a nest code-golf binary-matrix decision-problem Challenge Given a binary matrix and a binary string, determine if that binary string can be found starting at any point in the matrix and moving in any direction at any subsequent point to form the binary string. That is, can the...

Destructible Lemon

@ATaco alternate jibe: foo isn't very practical...

HyperNeutrino

define practical

:P

ATaco

Although I credit the joke, the apostrophe was intentional to indicate a letter was dropped.

Destructible Lemon

1:49 AM

@ATaco I know. I just chose to ignore the apostrophe for my joke, as I chose to ignore that the sentence would need a colon not a comma

ATaco

I took a breath; I in fact did not separate two related sentences of the same topic.

Pavel

@ATaco ... I had to run cat /usr/share/dict/words | grep -i ^foo.$ to figure out what you were talking about.

Destructible Lemon

@ATaco semicolon != colon? or are you just having fun with semicolons?

ATaco

Well a Semicolon was correct to use in that case, still not yet a Colon.

I don't actually know the correct usage of a colon.

> a punctuation mark (:) used to precede a list of items, a quotation, or an expansion or explanation.

Well now I do.

God bless the internet.

Thomas Ward

s/internet/anti-net/

:P

Destructible Lemon

1:52 AM

"use a practical language: foo" is definitely correct, as no other punctuation mark works and it sounds right

ATaco

Although it would if I was suggesting the usage of foo which would allow your joke to work, this particular case was using the somewhat insulting "Foo'" which is a contraction on "Fool"

Destructible Lemon

ok so what language that isn't some annoying language like java can I use that won't get people complaining about new language being unnecessary, or complaining that python is bad and they won't participate?

Lua!

no

:(

1:54 AM

arrays start at 0

ATaco

@LeakyNun Back me up

These are tables, not arrays.

Tables start at 1.

MD XF

Sep 22 at 1:04, by ATaco

If I can quine Forte I can quine anything.

Leaky Nun

@ATaco hi

ATaco

I can, but I'm lazy.

Lua is a good language, Yes?

MD XF

1k rep...

Leaky Nun

1:55 AM

@ATaco certainly

Destructible Lemon

yeah maybe but people say java is good

HyperNeutrino

java is... interesting...

Destructible Lemon

I kinda need a non-commercial small compact lang

ATaco

Java is good.

MD XF

flags as inappropriate

HyperNeutrino

1:55 AM

Java is okay in many aspects but for the most part I really hate using it.

It's so inconvenient

Thomas Ward

Java is evil

HyperNeutrino

like if you want to add one to the input and output it

Thomas Ward

Java consumes too much RAM

HyperNeutrino

Python: print(int(input())+1)

Destructible Lemon

not that I have anything against commercial projects, but it's just that the commercial things will have so many things and modules and stuff that it won't be simple really

MD XF

1:56 AM

PARI/GP: print(input()+1)

all input is automatically evaluated

HyperNeutrino

Python 2: print input()+1

MD XF

._.

HyperNeutrino

Jelly: ‘

ATaco

JVM is powerful yet portable.

HyperNeutrino

Java: import java.util.*;interface M{static void main(String[]a){System.out.println(new Scanner(System.in).nextInt()+1);}}

ATaco

1:57 AM

And the VM itself is lightweight compared to interpreted languages.

HyperNeutrino

like wtf

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino SimpleStack: .

you should change that to a CMC :P

ATaco

Just because the uncompiled language isn't good for golfing, doesn't mean it's not a good language.

Where java fails, it's usually because of who wrote the code, not Java itself.

HyperNeutrino

CMC: Add 1 to the input

MD XF

Fun fact, PARI/GP can store integers up to 500000 digits

HyperNeutrino

1:59 AM

@ATaco so verbose though

ATaco

Java JDK9, 6 bytes. a->a+1

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino this is a sorta big program in Turtlèd...

HyperNeutrino

@DestructibleLemon lol

@ATaco Oh yeah you can do that :P

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino SimpleStack: ., +1, $., $+1, 1$+, etc

pls give my lang attention

ATaco

RProgN2 is just 1+

HyperNeutrino

2:00 AM

lol

ATaco

Sadly not ., but 'eh.

HyperNeutrino

Jelly is just the increment byte or +1

or 1+

ATaco

RProgN2 still has no increment function.

Destructible Lemon

ok, untested but I think this works

HyperNeutrino

anyfix is 1+ or +1 or the increment

Destructible Lemon

2:00 AM

Turtlèd: !' [*.r_+](9{9'0l})(8'9)(7'8)(6'7)(5'6)(4'5)(3'4)(2'3)(1'2)(0'1)( '1)

HyperNeutrino

wtf

Proton is (+)&1

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino Cubically, 8 bytes: $:7R+8%6

HyperNeutrino

nice

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino wtf what?

Pavel

@ATaco Why do you need Java 9 for that

ATaco

2:01 AM

TacO, 6 bytes Try It Online!

@Pavel Java 9 is just what I tested on.

HyperNeutrino

@DestructibleLemon that's so long

MD XF

@Pavel REPL I think

Pavel

No that's a lambda

HyperNeutrino

also actually 1+ works in proton

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino yeah you need to make cases for every digit

HyperNeutrino

2:02 AM

or rather (1+)

@DestructibleLemon that seems awkward

tio.run/##KyjKL8nP@19QlJlXoqHx31D7v6aGsabmfwA

Destructible Lemon

well, it doesn't work on numbers, it works with char grid

and a very badly programmed interpreter

but that's a different story

ATaco

Threead, 7 bytes Try It Online!

Pavel

C#, 23 bytes: void f(ref int i)=>++i;

HyperNeutrino

lambdas exist in C#?

cool

ATaco

ReRegex, 7 bytes 0#input

(Takes the input as a unary number)

HyperNeutrino

2:04 AM

Final Feedback:

3

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Finding Snakes in a nest code-golf binary-matrix decision-problem Challenge Given a binary matrix and a binary string, determine if that binary string can be found starting at any point in the matrix and moving in any direction at any subsequent point to form the binary string. That is, can the...

Pavel

@HyperNeutrino C#, 6 bytes: i=>i+1

HyperNeutrino

ah ok

ATaco

I'm running out of languages I've written.

HyperNeutrino

wait so your first C# one actually modified in-place?

Destructible Lemon

wait

HyperNeutrino

2:04 AM

Positron: function{return$1+1}

Pavel

@HyperNeutrino Yep

HyperNeutrino

cool

Destructible Lemon

I forgot to erase a * in my program

HyperNeutrino

Python: lambda x:x+1

I'm surprised nobody posted Python yet

Downgoat

@HyperNeutrino cheddar: 1

HyperNeutrino

2:05 AM

05AB1E: > (IIRC)

Destructible Lemon

forreal this time !' [*.r_+]' l(9{9'0l})(8'9)(7'8)(6'7)(5'6)(4'5)(3'4)(2'3)(1'2)(0'1)( '1)

HyperNeutrino

@Downgoat wait actually :o cool

Downgoat

call it with the + operator

HyperNeutrino

@Downgoat ._. is that even valid

Python: (1).__add__

Pavel

You can also do thing like int aVar => otherVar + 3;, which make aVar behave and be accessible like a readonly variable but always evaluate to otherVar + 3.

@HyperNeutrino Does 1.__add__ not work?

ATaco

2:05 AM

MaybeLater, 16 bytes whenx is*{y=x+1}

HyperNeutrino

nope

syntax issues

Downgoat

@Pavel @ASCII-only we should steal this for VSL

Pavel

@Downgoat Please steal the entire property syntax, it's so much more powerful than that example.

ATaco

Yep, I'm out of languages I've written.

Destructible Lemon

@ATaco I have a whole two other languages!!!!

ATaco

2:07 AM

Lua, 12 bytes print(...+1)

Destructible Lemon

which is only because I only made one

I have conserved my resources

HyperNeutrino

I haven't used Ceres

I think there's an increment built-in

Pavel

@ATaco Did you write Thread or was that someone else?

ATaco

To Recap, RProgN2, Threead, TacO, ReRegex, MaybeLater, (RProgN1 also exists, but it's not much different from the RProgN2 answer)

HyperNeutrino

Also, brainf**k: + (I think?)

ATaco

2:08 AM

I wrote Threead.

Pavel

Did you already answer in that, I didn't see it.

ATaco

Yep

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino MseShpdCttr: Cx0 Xi++ Ox (verbose version: cookie x = 0; x = input()++; output(x);)

HyperNeutrino

huh interesting

MD XF

can't tell if you're serious or not

HyperNeutrino

2:09 AM

yeah I think it's interesting

mouse shaped cookie cutter?

or meta stack exchange shaped cookie cutter

MD XF

why I am leaving Code Golf shaped cookie cutter

New Main Posts

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Q: Finding Snakes in a Matrix

Challenge Given a binary matrix and a binary string, determine if that binary string can be found starting at any point in the matrix and moving in any direction at any subsequent point to form the binary string. That is, can the string be found folded up however inside the matrix? The string c...

MD XF

course I am planning on writing that language

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino no

HyperNeutrino

o lol

@DestructibleLemon right because apparently I have to take IO lol

Destructible Lemon

2:13 AM

yes

ok so what features should my spaceship koth thing have in it?

ship customisation?

heat management?

Pavel

I feel like you'd be better off writing video games than koths

Destructible Lemon

??

how?

Pavel

You have ideas that seem really fun in a video game and not fun to account for in a koth

Destructible Lemon

not sure about that one

I don't really have ideas much anyway...

also spaceship heat was something i got from endless sky anyway

also, having to account for your own weapons and thrusters overheating you seem like something that a spaceship koth would find useful for adding some depth

especially with spaceship customisation

HyperNeutrino

that sounds a bit too complicated for a koth; you might not get many answers

lol why does my challenge have only 4 views after 14 minutes

right, sunday night, huh

Destructible Lemon

2:22 AM

@HyperNeutrino not firing your engines up all the time is not that complicated

tbh

HyperNeutrino

idk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Destructible Lemon

also the fellowships koth got a decent amount of answers with its customisation

HyperNeutrino

ok

Destructible Lemon

I feel like there should be a "bit" less customisation than endless sky though

also I'm not sure if I would factor in parts cost either

probably not

hmmm now I'm not exactly sure of why exactly spaceships need to move around

maybe there are asteroids to mine or something

Stan Strum

2:38 AM

@Mr.Xcoder I've been seeing your PPCG rep at 1. I've refreshed and checked in other places but it keeps saying you have 1 rep... can you confirm?

Destructible Lemon

is he suspended or something?

ATaco

Yeah, I'm guessing suspended.

Thomas Ward

as a standard user it should tell you why the user is suspended if you view their profile. I don't have any special powers on PPCG yet I can see what the system is complaining about :P

ATaco

Thomas Ward

well there you go.

drifts back into the shadows

Pavel

2:48 AM

@ThomasWard Wait, no special powers? You're blue though?

Thomas Ward

@Pavel my diamond isn't for PPCG

Pavel

Oh. Dur.

ATaco

Maybe one day I'll have my first Diamond!

Pavel

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Thomas Ward

mods on other sites have chat-wide blue diamond powers (so long as it's on chat.stackexchange.com - that's the extent of my diamond reach, it doesn't extend to chat.so or meta.se chat)

Destructible Lemon

2:51 AM

what is the common name for voting irregularities again?

Pavel

Vote manipulation

Socking

Serial voting

Destructible Lemon

ah yes

ATaco

There has only been one RProgN answer not written by me with some effort put in.

I say some effort, because 1\n1 and variations of it have been done to death.

Pavel

@ATaco If you can write a Preproc quine I'll give 100 rep for it.

ATaco

Already proved it was impossible :(

Wait, no it was unproved.

Pavel

2:55 AM

Because \u000a

ATaco

Wow, escaping unicode makes this infinitely easier.

@Pavel I'm two bytes away from a quine.

Try it online!

Pavel

3:11 AM

Nice

(Technically 3 because you need the trailing newline but that's trivial)

Pavel

3:22 AM

.code.tio:2:16: error: \u0023 is not a valid universal character
  #define def(j)\u0023define
                ^
.code.tio:3:17: error: \u000a is not a valid universal character
  #define s(j) j \u000as(#j)
                 ^
.code.tio:4:16: error: \u000a is not a valid universal character
 s(def() a(a)(n)n\u000a def()def\u0028j\u0029\u005Cu0023define\u000a def()s\u0028j\u0029 j \u005Cu000as\u0028#j\u0029)
                ^
.code.tio:4:29: error: \u0028 is not a valid universal character
 s(def() a(a)(n)n\u000a def()def\u0028j\u0029\u005Cu0023define\u000a def()s\u0028j\u0029 j \u005Cu000as\u…

o_O

Thomas Ward

wat

i don't think code.tio supports unicode lol

at least not GOOD unicode xD

Pavel

@ThomasWard That be the C preprocessor

Destructible Lemon

so, I just had a sorta cool idea for my koth

it's possible to get someones missiles to hit them, with good enough maneuvering

a heat seeking missile which attempts to home at a target does not know the difference between an enemy and the firer

also I need to come up with a way to deter just flying super speed out of the map or something

toroid space?

also how will spacecraft collisions be handled I wonder...

probably not at all

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