The Nineteenth Byte

4:17 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing do UK schools focus on STEM/programming at all? because there's been a big push recently in the US for more programming courses

that's how things like Hour of Code started iirc

@NickClifford We can take CS/IT from GCSE and A-level and Science and Maths are compulsory until A-level. There are also a few clubs (STEM club, coding club etc.) but not a hugh push

Anonymous

@NickClifford I'm expecting that to fizzle out just like the DEAR (Drop Everything And Read) program did from when I was a kid

@Mego yeah I agree. I'm all for more programming, but it's clear that the demand isn't huge

like we had lots of mandatory Python programming assignments when I was a freshman in high school

I really liked them (except for the Python part), but most people were really confused by it and showed little interest

ಠ_ಠ I just finished deciding the parsing rules for Levant, and they are insanely difficult to implement (this is the parse rules FWIW)

@NickClifford that happens a lot in my university, actually. People enroll in my course and just don't wanna do programming classes for some reason.

Anonymous

4:22 PM

@NickClifford Common sense says that forcing people to do something they aren't interested in isn't going to get them interested.

11

exactly

Mego is very insightful today

Anonymous

Unfortunately, common sense seems to be missing from the US education system

Anonymous

@cairdcoinheringaahing I had an extra cup of coffee this morning

FrownyFrog

hax

4:23 PM

I'm in a private high school atm, so my experience is a little different than most people's, but yeah, it's a mess

Just saw a headline reading "Hippo escapes from zoo, gets disappointed by the real world and returns to its enclosure after 2 minutes of freedom."

I can understand, mr. Hippo. I can totally understand.

@J.Sallé Mrs. Hippo, actually. Yeah, modern Israel is a harsh place.

Hey @Adám! Nice TIO/APL presentation!

@Adám oh, that happened in Israel? I just saw the headline on a screenshot hahahahahah

@cairdcoinheringaahing is there a link to it or something?

4:29 PM

@NickClifford It's starred in the TIO room

ooh

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@cairdcoinheringaahing Thank you.

Pavel

@cairdcoinheringaahing rip profile pic?

@Adám Just out of curiosity, was it is Denmark? The podium had "Konverence" (or something similar) and I know APL has a base in Denark

43 mins ago, by caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, I'm going to change it back once I've done my GCSEs

Pavel

@cairdcoinheringaahing wherever Elsinore is

4:34 PM

Yep, Denmark

Pavel

Which apparently is Denmark yes

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yes, this year's user meeting was at Konventum, Elsinore/Helsingør, Denmark.

Anonymous

@cairdcoinheringaahing So are you going to become an auror?

Elsinore, as in 2b∨¬2b

@Mego Unless aurors do maths or physics as their job, I doubt it. Too much running and outside time :P

Anonymous

4:36 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Considering that Ron and Harry became aurors, I doubt there's much math or physics involved

Also the risk of permanent disability and/or death is probably slightly higher than other jobs.

Well, Death Eater is probably higher

Well, if you assume there are more aurors than Death Eaters, then yeah, probably.

Any good way to cast a boolean to an int for codegolfing?

In what language?

4:40 PM

Ruby, sorry

trying to do something like this:
a,b=gets.split.map(&:to_i)
s=0
gets.to_i.times{
x,y,r=gets.split.map(&:to_i)
s+=((a-x)**2+(b-y)**2)**0.5<=r?1:0
}
p s

In Ohm, I just use cond ? 1 : 0

Hm I guess I had to wrap it in parens

a,b=gets.split.map(&:to_i)
s=0
gets.to_i.times{x,y,r=gets.split.map(&:to_i);s+=(((a-x)**2+(b-y)**2)**0.5<=r)?1:0}
p s

can I change this directly to a one-liner sum?

a=154476802108746166441951315019919837485664325669565431700026634898253202035277999
b=36875131794129999827197811565225474825492979968971970996283137471637224634055579
c=4373612677928697257861252602371390152816537558161613618621437993378423467772036
then a/(b+c) + b/(a+c) + c/(a+b) = 4
and that's the smallest integer solution with a, b, c positive

@MarcusAndrews could it be converted into an Array#reduce or #sum call?

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

not sure

I am reading three inputs mid-loop

Not sure if that easily translates to a sum call in any form

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4:44 PM

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Word art reader image-processing,classification,code-challenge. Did you know WordArt is still a thing in MS Word? Let's parse it! The challenge will contain a test battery with X jpg.files each with a word or sentence shown in WordArt. Your task is to parse as many as you can. The winner wi...

@Poke wow

tiffany.com/accessories/new-designs-home/…

you pay $70 FOR ONE SINGLE PLATE

and you can't even microwave it

Anonymous

Tiffany is for people who are more concerned about displaying their wealth than retaining it

who in their right mind would pay $70 for a single plate with a design that you could paint yourself on it?

Anonymous

A fool and his money etc.

> Do not microwave

ಠ_ಠ The most useless item ever

Although it is "Dishwasher safe", so there's that

4:48 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Not true. They also sell Gold-plated dollar bill lighters, so you can burn your money with style

to be fair, pretty much everything except fancy knives and some other utensils are dishwasher safe

Neil

depends on the dishwasher

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem Please. The people who buy Tiffany crap only burn 100s in wads of 10 at a time.

@NickClifford My childhood toy found that was wrong the hard way.

tiffany.com/accessories/everyday-objects/…

Neil

4:49 PM

if I'm washing your dishes, then keep your grapefruit knives away

10k for some twigs

What languages are your guys' favorite to codegolf with?

Jelly

~~shameless self-promotion~~ Ohm

Anonymous

@MarcusAndrews Actually, Python, Haskell

4:49 PM

@NickClifford ---

Neil

someone forgot CMP:

@cairdcoinheringaahing ugh thank you

aditsu

java.. just kidding, CJam

@MarcusAndrews V and Brain-flak. Second place is MATL, Jelly, and Python

ahh

Anonymous

4:50 PM

@Neil Once upon a time, people didn't feel the need to add an unnecessary abbreviation in front of normal questions.

@orlp Don't forget the eggs, they must be worth... nothing :P

what does CMC/CMP even stand for?

@Mego Than the internet was invented

Anonymous

@NickClifford "NOTICE ME!"

@NickClifford Chat Mini Challenge/Poll

4:50 PM

Chat Mini Challenge/Poll

ninja'd

Hey @Mego, what's up with PPCG-v2?

@MarcusAndrews APL

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem What do you mean?

What is it? I don't understand

oh god

do you guys remember the innovative tin can?

tiffany.com/gifts/baby-gifts/…

Q: What are the PPCG specific abbreviations and terms?

4:51 PM

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Newcomers to PPCG are often compelled to ask what many of our abbreviations and terms mean. Let us list them here so this information always will be easily available.

@DJMcMayhem I think it's meant to be an alternative to SE that's more suited to codegolf?

it can be a bank for your baby too

Can an RO pin ^^^? It's quite helpful for new users (or not so new users)

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem Several times in the past, I've voiced my displeasure at the fact that we have to deal with a system designed for Q&A, when PPCG is most definitely not a Q&A site, and I've often wondered if SE isn't the best fit for PPCG. During the most recent conversation about it, someone (I think Pavel) threw out the idea that maybe we should make our own site. I decided to run with it.

Anonymous

@cairdcoinheringaahing A pin isn't necessary IMO. People just need to read meta. Also it's not really TNB-specific.

4:53 PM

@orlp So you can give your 1-year-old a small loan of a million dollars?

aditsu

@Mego I suggested that before too, just haven't done much about it :p

Anonymous

@aditsu Want to join the project?

aditsu

maybe..

@Mego Cool. I don't know anything about web-dev, but I'd be interested in helping. What does it run on?

@Mego You had the idea to make a new site, Pavel said it would be interesting to do

4:54 PM

@Mego do you guys need webdev help? because I'd love to join in

@Mego If it was a separate site, posts couldn't be migrated, and it wouldn't get the implicit advertisement from being SE, e.g. HNQ.

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem Python (with Flask and SQLAlchemy) and MySQL

Anonymous

Axtell

An experiment in a custom site: github.com/Axtell gist.github....

oh wait it's python

Anonymous

@Adám We've talked about allowing automatic crossposting from v2 to PPCG.SE. IMO the benefits of being able to have a site that is actually designed for competitive programming outweigh the detriments of not having HNQ traffic (plus, not having HNQ traffic means the detriments of HNQ traffic (like drive-by votes) are avoided, too).

Anonymous

4:56 PM

Plus, we can make a community ad once we have something to show, so we can get some SE traffic that way.

Anonymous

@cairdcoinheringaahing Right. I couldn't remember, and I didn't want to dig through the transcript. Thanks.