The Nineteenth Byte

I also knew no Python, C, C++, PHP, Java, ES6, or any golfing languages before joining PPCG, and I didn't even know I could make interpreters for my own languages. Thanks to PPCG, I now know quite a bit more about all of these.

Actually, I knew a little bit of Python from a Codecademy course I took about 10% of before realizing "Wait. Where's the part where I create my own games?" and giving up. (I got into programming because I wanted to create video games.)

El'endia Starman

@mınxomaτ My database dump from Aug 7 is about 122MB.

Downgaot

@ETHproductions ;_; pls no convert to eivl snek language

Stupid edit button is borked :(

mınxomaτ

@El'endiaStarman But that's HTML, or... ?

El'endia Starman

@mınxomaτ Mostly from the HTML, yeah.

ETHproductions

4:26 AM

@Downgaot Relax. I know 81% of JS and only 27% of eivl snek :P

ASCII-only

@ETHproductions What languages did you know?

ETHproductions

Some JS, some haXe, a little Python.

El'endia Starman

People who said "snek".

ETHproductions

Two more users will be on that list in less than an hour ;P

El'endia Starman

Incidentally, the phrase "eivl snek" has thus far appeared exactly three times in the TNB transcript. Including this message. :P

@ETHproductions More like 32 minutes, but yeah. :P

Sp3000

4:29 AM

Side question: what does it mean to "know" a language?

ETHproductions

@ETHproductions You don't even need the date restriction, it still finishes in 5 seconds or so. See here (updated)

Sp3000

(I've seen people claim they "know" about 10 production languages on resumes, and I think suuuuuure)

ASCII-only

To me know is when you can do simple programs quickly (i.e. you know syntax and essential parts of the standard library)

El'endia Starman

@ETHproductions I edited since there were actually two dates in the code, and you only removed one of them.

ETHproductions

@Sp3000 In a professional sense, I would consider "know" to mean "has a decent amount of knowledge of and experience with", or enough experience to write simple programs quickly (as ASCII-only mentioned)

@El'endiaStarman For a second I was wondering how the heck I had pinged myself while typing a different message :P

DJMcMayhem

4:33 AM

I'd say I know Python, C and C++, but I'd also say I "know" ruby and C#.

ASCII-only

Actually knowing a language in the professional sense would probably be more like knowing almost the entire standard library, plus good/consistent code style, and maybe some skills needed for production-level projects (i.e. unit testing, maybe an ability to setup automatic builds/CI maybe)

ETHproductions

@El'endiaStarman Now I'm all the way down somewhere around #300! What happened?

El'endia Starman

The definitions ASCII-only and ETH gave seem accurate. In that regard, then, I'd say I know Python, Django, Blitz 2D/3D, HTML, CSS, JS, and SQL. Maybe throw in jQuery and D3 for kicks, and Minkolang too. (I know three of these are libraries, but they're practically languages in and of themselves.)

Sp3000

Hmm it sounds to me like there's different levels of "know", which is a bit confusing when comparing people

El'endia Starman

@ETHproductions I'm not totally sure. Dennis is even in the top 25 when sorting by ratio DESC.

ETHproductions

4:35 AM

You're around #140

El'endia Starman

Hmm. I have an idea...

Sp3000

e.g. suppose I did the first 100 Project Euler problems in C, but I've never used malloc even once because I've never needed it - what does that count as?

ASCII-only

Probably not "know" professionally? Project Euler problems are more arithmetic-focused, so you only really need basic syntax for it (and probably very little of the stdlib)

ETHproductions

Dennis is in 9th with a ratio of 1/7...

Sp3000

Hm k... (the reason I ask is because I always feel like Python's the only language I "know", but most people seem more lenient with their claims)

Wheat Wizard

4:44 AM

Does anyone know anything about Brainloller?

PhiNotPi

Interesting idea: given a user, find the most common word meeting the requirement that the chosen user ranks #1 in frequency.

Sp3000

That'd indeed be interesting :)

7H3_H4CK3R

I have an important IT exam today. Pray that I don't accidentally start golfing my code

DJMcMayhem

@WheatWizard It seems a lot like piet

Steven H.

@7H3_H4CK3R Let all your answers be written in Jelly.

Wheat Wizard

4:47 AM

@DJMcMayhem yeah I've been doing your polyglot challenge in it and piet but I can't find a working interpreter

7H3_H4CK3R

On the other hand, ill have a hard time golfing Java.....

DJMcMayhem

@WheatWizard haha what? How the heck could you quine in piet?

7H3_H4CK3R

@StevenH. I don't know any golfing langs but ill certainly learn one soon

Wheat Wizard

@DJMcMayhem The year challenge from the sandbox

DJMcMayhem

Yeah, I know. I'm just not sure how you could add piet to the mix

Steven H.

4:49 AM

@7H3_H4CK3R Which languages do you currently know (not necessarily in a professional sense)?

PhiNotPi

@El'endiaStarman have you seen my suggestion above? ^ Would that be possible?

El'endia Starman

@PhiNotPi I'm not sure how feasible that would be.

Wheat Wizard

@DJMcMayhem You can put loads of extra data in ppm files. So I wrote my other code inside of a ppm of piet/brainloller code.

ASCII-only

@PhiNotPi It's possible by building a database for counts for each word for each user

7H3_H4CK3R

@StevenH. Erm...... Java c# bf and some stupid ones like batch

Sp3000

4:50 AM

For a start, we could brute force small random words and see who gets top in those :P (probably Martin)

El'endia Starman

@ASCII-only That'd almost certainly exceed the execution time though.

@PhiNotPi Something I probably could do but might take too long to execute is to output the top 100 most common words and the user that used them the most.

ASCII-only

@El'endiaStarman Yeah, we'd probably need a separate (permanent) database for that, which isn't worth it

Dennis

@Downgaot Briefly considered changing it to Downgaot Blamehooves.

El'endia Starman

@ASCII-only Someday, I want to have the database contents automatically put online for download, so you could then download it and then run a <language> script on it.

Steven H.

@7H3_H4CK3R You could try Sesos for some challenges, but it won't be good for most challenges. If you can somehow wrap your head around it, I'd recommend trying to learn Jelly; if you can't (like me :P ) you can become a dirty Pyth programmer or use one of the stack-based languages (Actually is the first stack-based golfing language that comes to mind.)

Or you could try making your own.

DJMcMayhem

4:56 AM

@StevenH. MATL and 05AB1E are also very competitive as far as stack-based goes

7H3_H4CK3R

I have to write an application for @StevenH. Thanks for the recommendations

Steven H.

MATL is stackbased? Huh

El'endia Starman

@ETHproductions: My ratio of non-alphabetic messages to total messages over time.

7H3_H4CK3R

I also have to write an application for a 2 week internship, is it a bad idea to write ive been messing around with esolangs and ppc?

Dennis

9

Steven H.

4:57 AM

Depends what kind of internship it is

7H3_H4CK3R

Software development

ASCII-only

@El'endiaStarman Is it possible to make the JS run automatically?

7H3_H4CK3R

Would it make me "one of them dirty golfers"?

El'endia Starman

@ASCII-only Yes, but I'd prefer not to.

Steven H.

I'd say mention esolangs, but not code golfing specifically

7H3_H4CK3R

4:58 AM

Okay ill put that in.

Steven H.

Because code golfers will mercilessly sacrifice code style for bytes, and software development likes to sacrifice bytes for code style

7H3_H4CK3R

Yeah I figured that

Im not nervous about the exam at all really rather excited I just really hope I don't start using golf tricks

ASCII-only

@StevenH. Also sometimes sacrifice bytes for overly long variable names

7H3_H4CK3R

I even got over 100% on my last exams for some reason.... Im a programmagician I guess

DJMcMayhem

							*python-input*
	Input (via sys.stdin, including input() and raw_input()) is not
	supported, and may cause the program to crash.  This should probably be
	fixed.

Great. Thanks, I appreciate that. facepalm

mınxomaτ

5:02 AM

@7H3_H4CK3R Don't you know that overflow wraps around :P

7H3_H4CK3R

And we have to leave the 0th place as null or 0

My IT teacher insists we start arrays at 1

Sp3000

@DJMcMayhem What's that for? o_O

DJMcMayhem

vim help. I'm looking into rewriting (part of) V

7H3_H4CK3R

@mınxomaτ your really teasing my unicode support

Steven H.

I consider overly long variable names a factor of style. Looking at you, Java.

java.io.InputStreamReader inputStreamReaderForCustomerRecordsKeepingFile = new java.io.FileReader(fileNameForCustomerRecordsKeepingFile);

DJMcMayhem

5:04 AM

Problem is there's not a lot of docs for what I'm trying to do, since what I'm trying to do is much out of the ordinary of typical vim usage.

ASCII-only

@7H3_H4CK3R D: What kind of IT teacher is that

mınxomaτ

@7H3_H4CK3R How. I have a turkish "i" and a greek "tau". That's pretty basic.

7H3_H4CK3R

@mınxomaτ luckily se recognizes I instead of the Turkish i

mınxomaτ

That was the intention.

If you e.g. use the chat search and type "minxoma" (latin i), it'll still show me in the suggestions.

7H3_H4CK3R

@ASCII-only are you referring to the 1 indexed arrays?

ASCII-only

5:06 AM

@7H3_H4CK3R Yeah

7H3_H4CK3R

@ASCII-only an idiot tbh

ETHproductions

@El'endiaStarman Cool

Sp3000

It's fine to have an opinion on 0- or 1-indexed arrays, but enforcing that on students is not cool :/

7H3_H4CK3R

@ASCII-only as I started a Java class from powershell he freaked out for me "hacking" but I only wanted a console for a jar file

ASCII-only

@Sp3000 Plus really inefficient if it isn't supported by the language

7H3_H4CK3R

5:09 AM

Well, its been nice hanging here but I got the exam upcoming. Bye for now

El'endia Starman

Top 10 biggest reply chains on 2016-09-26.

Caution: adding more days takes a lot more time.

...well, not as much time as I thought. Took about 5 seconds for the past week.

betseg

CMC: find the biggest ever

El'endia Starman

You'd probably have to analyze the data yourself with a script since a month times out. I wonder if @quartata could find that though.

...hey wait a minute, I could turn some of these line graphs into sound...

In theory, anyway. Maybe I'll look into that tomorrow. For now, bed!

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5:28 AM

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Q: Strcpy() question...? C language

I made this to just seal in strcpy() to my brain, and i noticed that if i leave the brackets empty the compiler says it needs an initializer or needs a specified value to compile. However i can put any value into the brackets and it still compiles. Even with a zero... But if the strcpy() fun...

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5:48 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Multiply in the group S3 code-golf The symmetric group S3 is the group of all permutations of three elements. Your goal is to implement its multiplication function. * e a b c d f +---------------------- e | e a b c d f a | a e d f b c b | b f e d c a ...

Sp3000

@xnor What do you mean by "label" for the sandboxed challenge?

(e.g. does it have to be a single character)

xnor

i list the options

do you mean string vs number vs char?

Sp3000

Yeah

(I'm assuming for 1..6 and 0..5 integers are okay for those, but just checking)

Qwerp-Derp

6:31 AM

Argh I cant think of new functions for Logicode

That can't already be made

I need new functions peeps!

betseg

The lesson is about Atatürk and the teachers asked if a student had any foreign friends and what they think about Atatürk

What do you think about Atatürk?

Qwerp-Derp

ataturk?

Wot

betseg

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (pronounced [mustäˈfä ceˈmäl äˈtäˌtyɾc]; 19 May 1881 (conventional) – 10 November 1938) was a Turkish army officer, revolutionary, and founder of the Republic of Turkey, serving as its first President from 1923 until his death in 1938. His surname, Atatürk (meaning "Father of the Turks"), was granted to him in 1934 and forbidden to any other person by the Turkish parliament. Atatürk was a military officer during World War I. Following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in World War I, he led the Turkish National Movement in the Turkish War of Independence. Having established...

Qwerp-Derp

I've read about Ataturk before

It was like

In a novel

That our class had to read

betseg

So what you think about him

Qwerp-Derp

6:39 AM

IDK

Don't really know much

So can't say

betseg

Kden

Qwerp-Derp

Uhhh

I have a challenge idea

betseg

What is it

Qwerp-Derp

So you know lucky numbers right

betseg

Yup

Qwerp-Derp

6:42 AM

Two inputs: m and n

m is range

and n is elimination no.

Generate mth number in elimination no. n of lucky number sequence

Not sure if it would be dupe of this

So @betseg What do you htink

betseg

dunno

Looks like dupe

Not quite a dupe but could be closed as a dupe

Qwerp-Derp

True

Destructible Watermelon

@Dennis I made a minor bugfix to my Turtlèd interpreter (but the bug did affect one of my answers), could you please pull?

betseg

@Qwerp-Derp maybe not a dupe, there are 124 prime-related question primes

Qwerp-Derp

@DestructibleWatermelon Can you think of a new function for Logicode?

@betseg Yeah

Dennis

6:54 AM

@DestructibleWatermelon Done.

Fatalize

@mınxomaτ Any updates on that PPCG podcast project?

Destructible Watermelon

@Dennis Thanks!

mınxomaτ

@Fatalize Yes. I'm preparing the timeslots for the first few test recordings. I need to talk with some people about their times.

Fatalize

Any idea about the subjects yet?

mınxomaτ

I've got a few topics prepared. Need to polish that up though.

Qwerp-Derp

7:02 AM

Whoa wait there's a PPCG podcast???

Fatalize

Not yet!

Qwerp-Derp

Aww

What who's going to be in it?

Fatalize

What who

mınxomaτ

@Qwerp-Derp That's going to be determined in the test recording and on a schedule basis. 3 people regular cast max.

Qwerp-Derp

So people from everywhere then?

Fatalize

7:05 AM

@mınxomaτ including or excluding yourself?

mınxomaτ

Well, from PPCG obviously. If you mean geographically, then yes.

Qwerp-Derp

(Geographically)

Ah, kk

mınxomaτ

@Fatalize Probably not. I do the recording and mastering as well as the topic preparation. While I will (very loosely) moderate the recording, I'll not end up in any episode.

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