The Nineteenth Byte

I use Atom exclusively nowadays. I can count on one hand the number of times I've used vim (usually when I forgot to write a commit message in git commit)

Alex A.

Voles On LSD

somebody

i use gedit, then atom only when i really need it

atom takes so much ram :(

@AlexA. oic

Anonymous

It's fine for me

Alex A.

@somebody It's a mini Chromium instance, so that would be why.

Anonymous

12:21 AM

13.9 MB

somebody

ik, just gedit is good enough for me

@AlexA. i know, that's why I use it as little as possible

@Mego *CPU

maybe i have too many packages

El'endia Starman

@AlexA. Bonus: can (almost) be turned into a recursive acronym. VoLes on LSD.

quartata

@Mego I've heard a lot of things about Atom. It's a GUI editor, right?

Alex A.

@Mego I used Atom for a while but decided that I didn't like how it handled Julia syntax highlighting, plus there wasn't a nice way to interact with the shell. So I took Doorknob's advice and tried out Vim. I'm super bad at it.

@quartata Yes

Anonymous

@quartata That and much more

somebody

12:22 AM

it's an editor

@AlexA. get a package to fix it :P

quartata

@Mego ew

somebody

otherwise, write your own Julia syntax highlighter for atom

Alex A.

Gross, CoffeeScript

The Julia plugin for Atom is fine if you like things colored in weird ways for no apparent reason.

The Vim plugin for Julia is perfect. 10/10 would plug it in again.

Julia support is pretty much all I care about when choosing an editor for use at home.

grc

does Atom struggle with larger files?

Alex A.

I've heard it can but I haven't really tested/noticed.

grc

12:27 AM

I think I'll stick with sublime

quartata

I think I'll stick with vim

Alex A.

@quartata I believe you mean NeoVim.

El'endia Starman

I think I'll stick with whatever is convenient and available.

Notepad, Notepad++, vim, IDLE...

Alex A.

Even @Doorknob agrees that NeoVim is best Vim.

@El'endiaStarman Notepad?

El'endia Starman

@AlexA. On rare occasion.

Like if the other tools aren't available.

Anonymous

12:28 AM

Sometimes you're on a new Windows box and you haven't had time to set up Atom

Anonymous

Priorities

Alex A.

I'd write code via text to speech before I'd write code in Notepad. :P

quartata

So Atom runs in a mini Chrome instance?

So it's like web based

grc

@El'endiaStarman I've seen someone writing code in MS word before

Anonymous

@grc Atom has less issues than Notepad++, from what I've personally seen

Alex A.

12:29 AM

@quartata Chromium, but yes

quartata

That's even worse.

Why would anyone ever design an editor like that

El'endia Starman

@grc That I wouldn't do. Did they at least save with the right file extension?

Anonymous

Because Chromium has a nice plugin interface

grc

I don't think so

Alex A.

@quartata It makes the real-time markdown previewer quite nice though

Doorknob

12:30 AM

@AlexA. github.com/suan/vim-instant-markdown

Alex A.

That's how I did the README for ??? and it was 9/10 don't care enough for the last 1.

Doorknob

I don't use that, but I've heard lots of people talk about it

Literally the whole point of Markdown is to be readable prerender though

somebody

if you have atom, you need Emmet - speeds up writing HTML a lot once you get used to it

quartata

@AlexA. I'm not sacrificing all performance just for pretty markdown, sorry.

Alex A.

@quartata I'm not advocating for Atom. :P

@Doorknob Wet

Thet's nets

Atom is better than LightTable though.

quartata

12:31 AM

@AlexA. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Sorry, had to.

Alex A.

Don't be sorry

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Be Lenny

grc

Atom seems like a sublime rip-off with worse performance

Doorknob

(╯°□°）╯︵ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Alex A.

@grc I think that's what it is

Free though

Doorknob

So is Sublime

Alex A.

12:32 AM

Uh no? It's like $80.

quartata

^

grc

sublime has an unlimited free trial essentially

Doorknob

I remember that I used to use Sublime and I never paid for it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

quartata

I remember Smultron way back in the day. It was great until the guy decided to sell out

LegionMammal978

@VoteToClose I figured the rest out through careful experimentation.

VoteToClose

12:34 AM

@LegionMammal978 Sorry I couldn't help. D: It's really cool that you spent this time learning my language, I really appreciate it. :) A lot of time goes into Vitsy.

PhiNotPi

There was just a mall shooting near me... :/

VoteToClose

@PhiNotPi <3 Support.

feersum

Has anyone used X11 forwarding?

I'm trying to play with Mathematica on the RPi and it's absurdly slow.

El'endia Starman

@PhiNotPi Columbia, SC?

feersum

It will only send 1-2 keystrokes per second.

PhiNotPi

12:39 AM

@El'endiaStarman Yeah

Calvin's Hobbies

@feersum I've done that. It was slow but not that slow

feersum

The one other time I tried to use X11 forwarding, it was actually a lot slower.

Anonymous

@feersum Only with PuTTY from a Windows machine to a Linux server

Anonymous

It was a little slow, but not bad

feersum

Like 60-100 second response time lols.

Now it's over LAN though ...

Anonymous

12:40 AM

Granted, university network with high bandwidth might have played a part

Calvin's Hobbies

@Mego Same (to Rpi)

Anonymous

This was to an actual server, running RHEL

El'endia Starman

Looks like there was a mall shooting yesterday too, but in Fairfield (dunno which state).

quartata

@feersum I use X11 forwarding all the time, but it's a little slow.

Not too bad usually.

feersum

After I type something I have to sit there and watch the letters appear to make sure I didn't make a typo.

Calvin's Hobbies

12:42 AM

I did it in an area with 1Mbps internet and it was fine

quartata

@feersum That means you have really bad internet.

There is obviously a delay but it's usually not that bad.

feersum

@quartata It's over WLAN.

So that shouldn't be a problem.

quartata

Hm.

Calvin's Hobbies

Are there any other commonly used ppcg-user made languages I should star on github? (well, if I think they're important enough..) I've found minkolang, vitsy, seriously, and a few more

quartata

pl

Calvin's Hobbies

12:47 AM

link?

Sp3000

Labyrinth.

Anonymous

Retina is on GitHub, right?

Calvin's Hobbies

got Retina

Doorknob

Snowman is my favorite out of those that I've made ^.^

Anonymous

Pyth is on github too I think

somebody

12:48 AM

@Calvin'sHobbies still not showing last line for number squares

quartata

github.com/quartata/pl-lang

Doorknob

I've also made Macaroni and a few others but nobody (including me) uses them really

quartata

someday I'll finish it

Anonymous

Man CP037 is a weird code page

El'endia Starman

@Doorknob I haven't seen you or anyone use Snowman very much. :P

Doorknob

12:49 AM

I post Snowman answers occasionally

codegolf.stackexchange.com/…

feersum

> user 3808 is a snowman

somebody

@Calvin'sHobbies i'm porting it because apparently Mego doesn't like node

Calvin's Hobbies

@somebody With my js interpreter? I swear it's working for me. Note that it doesn't print a trailing newline, maybe your terminal doesn't like that?

quartata

@Mego This one? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBCDIC_037

Calvin's Hobbies

@Doorknob Big TODO's in readme... last updated 5 months ago.. :P

Anonymous

12:51 AM

@quartata Yep

somebody

@Calvin'sHobbies try again?

quartata

Yeah that's weird :P

Doorknob

@Calvin'sHobbies ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

El'endia Starman

@Mego ...indeed.

somebody

Calvin's Hobbies

12:54 AM

@somebody I copied the code I posted and checked it again just now. It's working for me.

somebody

hmm

Calvin's Hobbies

@somebody Try adding the line s 2 to the end of the program

somebody

my bad

forgot to copy last line

Calvin's Hobbies

ah :P

somebody

also, you should add instructions

accept the package.json PR so people can just do npm install and then npm run chtriped.js <file locations>

(if you want)

Calvin's Hobbies

12:59 AM

I know. I'll hopefully complete the readme by tonight or tomorrow. And for the npm thing to work, wouldn't I need to submit it to npmjs.com? (not that I'm against that)

VoteToClose

I'm step-by-step walking someone through the dual-booting process. T-T

On a Mac. T_T

With SIPS still enabled. TTTT_____TTTT

So many tears.

Send halp

plz

somebody

@Calvin'sHobbies no

not that

for installing readline-sync and big-integer

El'endia Starman

@VoteToClose I'll call in the napalm. It's the only proper way to handle Macs.

somebody

right now you need to install them manually

VoteToClose

ಠ_ಠ

El'endia Starman

1:02 AM

[waits for Alex's disapproval]

VoteToClose

Too late.

My disapproval's coming in already.

somebody

if you add package.json npm install reads from package.json and installs packages from there

VoteToClose

ಠ__________________ಠ

El'endia Starman

Right, I forgot you were a Mac user. :P

Calvin's Hobbies

@somebody I see. Alright, thanks

Doorknob

1:03 AM

@El'endiaStarman +1

:P

El'endia Starman

:P

VoteToClose

:P?

d:? <- Elvis sticking out his tongue.

somebody

but ?. is the Elvis operator

VoteToClose

o-o Wat.

somebody

foo?.bar => foo.bar if it exists else null in some languages

VoteToClose

1:13 AM

o-o

Huh.

feersum

No, ?: is right.

somebody

@feersum ?

Anonymous

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A: Should bonuses be allowed for [code-golf] questions?

No, bonuses should not be allowed in code golf There's broad support that bonuses in code golf should generally be avoided. I think that moving bonuses from code-golf to code-challenge would emphasize that bonuses aren't a twist you put in for the heck of it, but make for a different kind of cha...

Anonymous

I'm finding I'm agreeing with this - if the scoring is anything but "# of bytes in your program", it shouldn't be code golf

Doorknob

Starring for visibility because that's a 2-year-old question.

Anonymous

1:25 AM

A 2-year-old question which needs to be addressed again due to our "things to avoid" post

Anonymous

The question text of i/o defaults probably needs reworking, since most of it is obsolete

Anonymous

I would love to finally kill off "bonuses" and make them more like variables in the score, and move those questions to code-challenge

Anonymous

As it is now, it's like if someone made a popcon and said "your total score is the # of upvotes - your code length in bytes"

Anonymous

Would you optimize for code size, and hope you got upvotes for the golfing? Or would you go for impressive/cool code, and hope the upvotes balanced the longer code?

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