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5:00 PM
you ninja'd me
 
Yep. The guy recommending the site doesn't have an account here (under the same name, at least), and has made more than one recommendation like that :(
And it has zero close votes at Puzzling. smh
 
@TheNumberOne Any clue what the bug was?
 
no offense meant , but some members have a creepy megalomaniac trend of calliing out to close very creative interventions , as they are well reputed to be listen to
 
Nope.
 
Also, has anyone else felt that the sandbox has been pretty downvote-heavy recently? What's the deal with that?
 
5:07 PM
@AbdouAbdou English please.
 
@PhiNotPi How lately is lately? The latest 10 sorted by active have no downvotes at all that I see.
 
@PhiNotPi I have noticed that. However, I myself tend to upvote answers there.
 
The first one I come to with a downvote is "Invent a programming language that does crazy things". And yes, I downvoted that one.
 
@PhiNotPi ASCIIThenANSI has posted a whole bunch of very "experimental" challenges like the one Geobits mentioned, and most of them got downvotes really quickly.
Other than that, I can only remember the pointers to pointers to pointers, which is a bit too vague and code-bowling-y.
 
Wait, why are all the answers CW'd ?
 
5:12 PM
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A: Why isn't the Sandbox Community Wiki?

Martin BüttnerI'm speaking as a user, not a moderator. Making the Sandbox CW also makes all its answers CW. On meta, the only effect is to lower the rep threshold for editing anything too 100 (the answers also don't count towards tag badges any longer, but they aren't meant to be permanent anyway). I think th...

 
dammit
 
so close.
 
5
A: Why isn't the Sandbox Community Wiki?

Martin BüttnerI'm speaking as a user, not a moderator. Making the Sandbox CW also makes all its answers CW. On meta, the only effect is to lower the rep threshold for editing anything too 100 (the answers also don't count towards tag badges any longer, but they aren't meant to be permanent anyway). I think th...

Posted it anyway.
 
Too much Martin on my screen D:
 
5:13 PM
(I actually copy-pasted the link in your chat message)
 
lol, nice job :P
 
Rate limiting activated:
 
btw Anime had a StackApp which expands images in chat on the right, so now I've got a Slowpoke there under the starred messages :P
 
:21454255 We all know you're human already. A computer would want to be TheNumberZero.
 
5:16 PM
thank god am not in english.stackexchange.com , we dont have to be literary fluent to communicate , its enough to use machine-language
 
I hate it when I get cos and sin mixed up.
 
what is this madness, what is the upper limit on x?
 
Generally, the math questions always have super-simple answers. I would just reload the page, though.
 
why am I so stupid, this isn't integration
 
@TheNumberOne Mixed up like scrambled? SCIONS
 
5:18 PM
That's zipped, not scrambled.
 
I guess that's really more interleaved than scrambled, though.
It could be scrambled, depending on which word you get each 's' from.
 
How about SisCon? An annual convention for nuns.
Alternatively, the urban dict version: urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Siscon
 
sniosc
 
SONICS
 
5:21 PM
My niece found a thumbtack in her shake from Sonic's the other day :(
 
Is Sonic's a restaurant?
 
Yea, burgers/fries/shakes, that kind of thing.
 
It's like a race to say what you want to say before somebody else says something that changes your comment's context.
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The food isn't all that great, but they usually make a good (tack-free) shake or slushie.
 
I've never seen one. Surprisingly, there is one 26.5 miles away.
 
5:25 PM
There's a few in town here, and one in most towns over 3-4000 population in the area. They're growing pretty fast.
Trying to decide if I want to just overhaul/edit the light-out question...
 
It sounds quite a bit like Arctic Circle.
 
It could be an interesting challenge, but I'm not sure how close it would be to existing lights-out posts. It's a ring instead of a grid, and variable affected lights.
 
@TheNumberOne Right now I am exploring the world map of some kind.
 
Screeps or Arctic Circle
 
screeps
 
5:33 PM
Yay!
 
It's a fully-functional world map, but it's completely empty.
I'm not actually in the the game.
Maybe it's the Early Preview map that hasn't started yet.
 
There are source keepers, right?
It doesn't start till may 20th.
 
I see source keeper lairs.
Basically, you know the activation code login screen, how behind there is a map?
 
Hm-hm.
 
can one of you quickly explain what screeps is/how it works, but more importantly, what exactly the current status of that thing is?
 
5:35 PM
I used adblock to block the popup element and the background fade element, so then I could actually explore the map.
 
That's cool. Now exploring world.
 
^ that's what I can see
 
@MartinBüttner Screeps is the KOTH that PhiNotPi was going to host on a remote server for us.
Or equivalent to it...
 
Basically, but now it's being created by an independent company and is professionally done for us.
 
Exactly ^
 
5:39 PM
how did that happen?
 
It was independently imagined.
 
Capitalism detected a demand for a KOTH for programmers.
 
It's an MMO KOTH in which you write code to control a swarm of bots that goes around and collects resources to create more bots.
 
I see
what's with "It doesn't start till may 20th."?
 
The Early Preview of the World of Screeps.
 
5:40 PM
The MMO part of the game isn't public until then.
Right now I am playing the "survival" single-player mode.
 
ah okay
that's good
my final exam is on the 19th :D
 
@PhiNotPi Source Keepers will only move to sources within 5 blocks from them.
 
@MartinBüttner then you can get high ?
 
i m seeking help for settling score for ths codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/49565/…
 
It's one of those things where invading waves try to kill your hive. It's a pretty generic thing, but it's a good way to figure out how to play the game.
 
5:42 PM
how would i performe score-meter
plz
 
There's also something called a "room controller" in the empty map, and I don't know what it does.
 
@AbdouAbdou I don't know what you mean by that.
 
score-meter ?
 
Translation: How should submissions be scored?
 
a kind of program which measures or appreciates codes outcomes
thanks for bringing that to "english"
 
5:45 PM
The "score" on that is just the number of bytes in the program, isn't it?
 
it seems that , its further than just counting bytes
 
@AbdouAbdou The way it's written, assuming the code is correct, the winner is the shortest program. It's standard code golf as far as I can tell.
 
well , the problem is here , whether the code is correct
 
5:48 PM
OptimizedExpressionLength * (CodeLength + constant); if the expression doesn't have to be fully optimized.
 
That's a separate issue from scoring, though. I'm not really sure what you're asking.
 
is there a simple big-O explanation which we can link to from our challenges? the wikipedia one is way too mathematical
 
I guess quite a few people not familiar with big-O
 
theres constantly shorter and shorter solutions
 
5:51 PM
@Sp3000 yeah, that's better, there probably can't be an as simple one as I would like...
doesn't hurt linking it I guess
 
which disturbs me and push me ahead to wonder : is there a way which always leads to final solution
 
Find all rational roots and factor those out. For the rest just break it up the way you did.
That won't be optimal though.
 
(and we haven't even thrown in division yet :D)
 
Exactly^
 
taken two matlab versions , you wont be given two identical results for one simplified expression , it explains that kind of researches is still advancing on ...
 
5:58 PM
When Screeps enters the next testing phase, I really want to lay claim to the E1N1 tile (aka the center of the world).
 
@PhiNotPi do you know how many users it already has?
 
No.
Accidental deletion.
 
At least 50
 
@PhiNotPi how do you accidentally delete a message?
 
I'm using an iPad, clicked the down arrow on the left, and misclicked, since edit and delete are two small words next to each other.
 
6:01 PM
the vote-to-close is for reason thu
 
@PhiNotPi oh right, mobile...
 
What I meant to say is that I don't know how many people are in the private MMO testing phase.
Probably not that many.
 
@PhiNotPi I like W2N1
 
What do you write the code in?
 
javascript
 
6:04 PM
In April there were 112 people who at least clicked the start button of survival mode.
 
E5S4 looks easily defensible.
E11S17 is scary
 
I don't know how many rooms are created per player, so we might end up with E87S49 for all we know.
I feel that all the PPCG members should team up.
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The borders stop before then.
 
hmm, I was wondering what did I miss..
 
:P
 
6:11 PM
there goes my chance to get highest score ever ever
 
What are you referring to?
 
secret
 
Ooh! I know!
 
I figured it out.
 
you guys are smart
 
6:14 PM
I had to dig really deep in the active tab.
 
I didn't, I was already commenting on the weird scoring ;)
 
did you find the dungeon monster yet ?
 
I feel like a complex scoring like this will have one or more loopholes...
 
I almost found one
 
let's hope Ypnypn thought it trough well :)
 
6:20 PM
"You may use different languages for different numbers." is another red flag to me
 
In Screeps, what is the easiest way to move away from something?
 
Reflect enemy around creep. Move towards reflection.
 
Reflect? As in take the direction and calculate the new direction from that?
 
No, take x,y coordinates of enemy. Reflect coordinates around creep. moveTo new coordinates.
Easiest, not best way.
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

randomraConnecting Gaps with Tetris Pieces code-golf tetris You should write a program or function which given a list of tetris blocks as input outputs or returns the biggest gap between two points in the same height level which the pieces can connect. The 7 types of tetris pieces are the following: ...

 
6:33 PM
I have a score of 1.3527 * 10^26, but none of the programs will actually run, because of memory and time.
 
Since when does that matter? :P
 
@randomra you are on fire! :D
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You get the best score when your list is 7 longer than your shortest program.
How to do CJam comments?
 
6:49 PM
e#
 
i must learn that mandarin-alike language
 
@PhiNotPi Does someone need to post a just-enough-different JavaScript KotH to encourage a flood of strategies to choose from?
 
Infinite score achieved.
 
@TheNumberOne I don't think so. Wait a minute. I have to check.
@TheNumberOne You missed, that S is maximal 15. So if your c get's bigger in cJam, you get a lower score.
 
7:10 PM
@trichoplax what do you have in mind?
 
@PhiNotPi That was in reply to your suggestion that all the PPCG members team up. Was that about Screeps?
 
oh, I hit 1000 rep on Puzzling...
 
Congratulations :)
 
that's actually a surprising amount of rep for how little I participated there
 
Nice, considering your last answer was in November ;)
 
7:15 PM
@trichoplax. Yeah, I was thinking all the PPCG members could team up in the Screeps MMO.
 
@Geobits well if we're just going by that I earned a lot of rep on SO since my last answer :P
 
I have a surprising amount of rep for how little I participate here
 
@MartinBüttner Yea, me too, but that was only because I have a decent stock of answers there. You have 6 on puzzling.
 
yeah, that was my point, I guess ;)
 
Wait, five answers and one of those godawful party security questions :P
 
7:16 PM
@Geobits I'm genuinely ashamed of that one :(
 
It probably wouldn't have been so bad if there weren't so many of them. At one point, almost the entire page was "The Security to the Party [Part x]"
 
D: I heard spaghetti party
 
The searchability is awesome >< : puzzling.stackexchange.com/…
 
@PhiNotPi Maybe you could set up a room and see how many people are willing and able
 
If Puzzling can work out what it really wants to be, I'd probably enjoy the site a bit better :(
 
7:21 PM
I love the idea but I'm only just learning JS now
 
The actual MMO doesn't become public for about another 2 weeks or so.
 
@Sp3000 It's getting there... They still have an unfortunate leniency to bad riddles (IMO), but it's better than it was.
 
Pretty much you and me both about learning JavaScript. My lifetime JavaScript experience has pretty much been 1) The Red vs. Blue challenge, 2) The snippet for EOEIS, and 3) Screeps.
 
I haven't looked at the site for a few months now, but last time I looked it was a bunch of maths "puzzles" which you need a program to brute force, riddles which look like the poster made them up randomly just before posting and completely unclued cryptograms which require you to throw things at the wall and see what sticks
(there were a lot of good ones on there too, but unfortunately the majority just gave a bad overall impression)
 
There's still some of that. The difference is I see a bit higher quality ratio now. I definitely wouldn't say they're done working on it.
 
7:25 PM
my puzzles were been abusively downrated there
 
Hmmm will give it a few more months then, I guess...
 
then they were been appreciated by some brilliant members , counted by fingers
 
So anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot, while those that agree are brilliant? That seems fair.
 
but the submissive majority domination , really annoys me
 
Awww nobody ever did Peter's second Chessdoku puzzle
 
7:28 PM
i didnt say idiot
 
I'm sorry, did you mean something else by "their lil brains cudnt handle em"?
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nvm
they were script-based puzzles , which are not fitting this place maybe
 
@PhiNotPi I'm currently trying to adapt RvB for my own KotH - that's my sole JS experience
 
my sole JS experience has been the "Tips for golfing in ES6" question
 
@Optimizer I coulda sworn I saw you post a JS solution before
 
7:39 PM
you must be daydreaming :P
 
maybe I'm just losing my marbles... dementia settling in at 25... false memories...I'm in for a long ride.
 
or maybe he's messing with you
 
noooooo. Why would I do that ?
 
What should I name a room about Screeps?
 
"Room about Screeps"
 
7:50 PM
Scroom ?
 
Actually gots to go now.
B bak n 2
hrs
 
hrs doesn't have an abbv ?
 
Are you really lost that deep in your abbreviation mania that you thought "hrs" is the full word?
 
2h
 
BbakN2H
shorter than his nick
 
8:00 PM
I'm disappointed with the lack of competition on stickstack. Somebody beat me, please. I need an incentive to do better.
 
keep having a fear of Jakube beating you with his Pyth solution as an incentive
 
Meh, golf is only a tiebreaker on that one. It's very unlikely he'll tie my score exactly unless he straight ports it, which would be a dick move.
 
Avengers 2 is already second highest grossing film. Lets see how long before it beats Furious 7
 
Sure, I just mean that in this challenge, using a golfing language isn't really an advantage at all.
 
just have that fear, okay ? Its a good enough incentive
 
8:04 PM
@Optimizer Any list that isn't adjusted for inflation doesn't mean much to me.
 
@Geobits just inflation is not actually that meaningful
 
Should you also adjust for world population at the time of release?
 
@trichoplax I think inflation includes that
 
Probably. I'm sure you should adjust for a bunch of things :D
 
population + money
 
8:06 PM
Distribution of cinemas globally
 
we should see genre trends too. If Titanic were released today for the first time. It would not earn that much
 
Number of competing films at time of release
 
@trichoplax yes, this is one of those factors which favor old movies hugely
 
Perhaps a good measure would be "proportion of contemporary cinema views"
 
no idea what that means
 
8:08 PM
Determine actual gross adjusted for all things that make sense
 
"5% of views during this period were of this film"
 
@trichoplax ah
that would actually be really nice
 
I think it's pretty silly the way they count gross profit, also. Most charts don't count anything beside box office sales anyway.
 
but again, old movies will benefit hugely
at those times, there were hardly 4-5 tv series and 2-3 current running movies
 
Yes, a movie released when no others are available will score 100% for that period
 
8:10 PM
so again. not a great way
@Geobits like netflix ? DVD ?
 
Yes, or tv runs, etc.
 
Gives different results for different lengths of time too. A recent release might have 15% in the first few days, but only 1% over the first year
 
We have to adjust for pirating too. That didn't exist when Gone With The Wind was in theaters
 
I'm not sure there's any way at all to do that.
 
Oh, that were the times of the real pirates
 
8:12 PM
@Optimizer They still are...
 
I've seen studies that say pirating costs billions, thousands, or even increases profits.
 
@trichoplax real pirates as in the ones who sail in oceans, looting other ships
 
@Optimizer That's what I meant too :)
 
@trichoplax they dont exist now
only navy
 
@Optimizer They wiped out piracy? Wow
 
8:14 PM
I sail the seas with fifty thousand songs I've never heard
 
Piracy in Somalia has been a threat to international shipping since the second phase of the Somali Civil War in the early 21st century. Since 2005, many international organizations have expressed concern over the rise in acts of piracy. Piracy impeded the delivery of shipments and increased shipping expenses, costing an estimated $6.6 to $6.9 billion a year in global trade in 2011 according to Oceans Beyond Piracy (OBP). According to the German Institute for Economic Research (DIW), a veritable industry of profiteers also arose around the piracy. Insurance companies significantly increased their...
 
LOL
 
Chat-ception for a second there
 
no, he actually edited
@Geobits wrong tab's link copied ?
:P
 
Sneaky way to make it look like he's quicker at looking up wikipedia articles than he really is ;)
 
8:15 PM
ohhhhh
 
Here's a real head scratcher: how does Deathly Hallows pt 2 gross 25% higher than Deathly Hallows pt 1? After six other Harry Potter movies, you'd think that the audience would be fairly stable, and that the people who see pt 2 would at least have seen pt 1 in theaters.
 
Did lots of people want to see part 2 twice?
 
Wasn't that good
 
Did part 1 show on television before part 2 was released?
 
Okay, rottentomatoes disagrees with me. Got 96% critic reviews
 
8:17 PM
part 1 was boring. left wanting more.
 
I'm not sure 96% justifies as second ticket...
 
and I think friends must have told that
so part 1's sales decreased
while they all went to part 2 anyways
 
i thought piracy only exists in the caribbeans
 
@trichoplax Nope
Looks like part 1 premiered on ABC in 2013
 
It was "the final chapter" and all that. People wanted to see how it ended before spoilered all over the internet. I imagine there wasn't that urgency for Part 1, since it wasn't the final one.
 
8:19 PM
@Rainbolt Maybe they spent more on anti-piracy advertising during the interval between the 1st and 2nd
 
@trichoplax like that halps
 
Especially for people that read the books. They knew the first one was just going to be draggingly boring, so could wait for DVD or whatever.
 
@Optimizer or maybe the opposite then - less anti-piracy advertising so fewer people got annoyed enough by it to pirate
Pirate is a verb nowadays, right?
 
Everything is a verb if you stretch it hard enough ;)
 
"I could everything if I really tried"
"I wish I could everything"
 
8:22 PM
[Buccaneer](http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/buccaneer) is a verb, so I assume pirate has always been too.
verb (intransitive)
2. to be or act like a buccaneer
 
I don't think I'm stretching it hard enough
 
No matter what I asked him, he just answered with "everything". All day long, he'd just "everything" me until I slapped some sense into him.
 
@Geobits nice
 
You could do that with any word I guess, but it's a mighty big stretch.
 
I assume that as with most words, the emphasis shifts when it becomes a verb. So a pirate pirates
 
8:24 PM
a question about C , if a=b , does it always mean &a=&b ?
 
I have no qualms with pirate as a verb. If you pirate movies or oil ships, that's better than searching for another word for it.
 
I would still emphasize the pi
 
@Rainbolt So would I, but I wanted to see the reaction ;)
 
@AbdouAbdou no
I hope the reverse is true, however, because if it isn't I'm missing something
(not necessarily true in C++, because everyone loves operator overloading)
 
@trichoplax It would make some sense to shift though. Berate has the emphasis on "-rate".
 
8:26 PM
pointers are like shadows , once u change number , its shaded differently
 
^ Crap like this is why it took me so long to understand pointers
 
pointers are like array indexes, when you change the item in the array, the pointer couldn't care less
I never had a problem with pointers, probably because no one ever tried to explain them to me xD
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@Rainbolt Compact and compact, impact and impact, reject and reject, but then there are a long list of exceptions too
 
Some genius professor finally said "It points to something." and I had a epiphany.
 
a,b declared separately
so they have different addresses right ?
once u affect a=b
addresses are still different or not?
 
8:28 PM
yeah, if they exist at the same time (otherwise the compiler can do whatever it likes)
 
@AbdouAbdou Have you ever tried just declaring variables and printing the result after a few assigns to see what you get?
 
when you assign something to a variable, you modify the memory at its address, you do not change its address
yeah, what Rainbolt said
 
No amount of teaching will help you more than just printing the result for yourself
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yes of course
 
print "result"
 
8:30 PM
Granted, this requires knowing where the console is (something I had a lot of trouble with in early courses)
@Optimizer Wrong. print "the result for yourself"
 
comeon, chaps, this isn't python 2
... suddenly I find myself unable to remember how to print in C...
 
I wish that if a message with @Optimizer was edited to point to something that was said by Optimizer, it would replace the @Optimizer with the :number instead of adding it
no cout in C?
I only know C++ (from that family)
 
ditto, only used C for AVR stuff, and no console there
 
@Rainbolt Berate is the verb describing what you do to someone for being the noun, berate
 
printf?
Look how good we are at Google! high five
 
8:32 PM
rather
 
c++out ?
 
console plus plus out?
 
C++ has cout, C should have c++out
 
What language came before C?
 
C (/ˈsiː/, as in the letter c) is a general-purpose, imperative computer programming language. It supports structured programming, lexical variable scope and recursion, while a static type system prevents many unintended operations. By design, C provides constructs that map efficiently to typical machine instructions, and therefore it has found lasting use in applications that had formerly been coded in assembly language, including operating systems, as well as various application software for computers ranging from supercomputers to embedded systems. C was originally developed by Dennis Ritchie...
 
8:33 PM
C said NO , pointers dont change
 
and A
so about ?
 
I'm pretty sure FORTRAN was the only language before C
LISP certainly isn't a thing
 
Wikipedia says "Was an enhancement of Ken Thompson's B language."
So C++ has cout. C should have bout
B should have aout
No wait. B was derived from BCPL. So B should have BCPLout
 
after assignement , pointers dont change
pascal should have different opinion :p
 
backplout << hello world
That's embarassing. Had my alligator snouts going the wrong way.
 
8:36 PM
He said what?? BCPLout!
 
8:46 PM
@Rainbolt I'd upvote that feature request
 
... why does "no" have a star?
And the more important question: why don't I get a star when I say "no"?
 
@Doorknob you don't say it with enough attitude
 
it's all about timing of the delivery
 

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