The Nineteenth Byte

12:08 AM

hey, a while ago (like months ago), there was a website posted here where some guy was ranting about God and every line of the website was a different font size

anybody know what website I'm talking about?

BrainSteel

12:49 AM

For or against atheism/christianity?

luser droog

2:02 AM

@Sieg inca3 is gonna be my "J buster". I should probably steal some ideas from CJam and Pyth and golfscript, too. But I need to steal a lot more from J first.

I've just added the reduce adverb, so I can do "sum of squares" like J. Oh, wait. no I can't. No power, yet.

I can do "sum of doubles". (ignore the "unprintable" lines). ` ss←(+/)&(×&2)
36 #
unprintable
ss4
36 #
unprintable
#
8
ss ⍳4
36 #
unprintable
plus!
plus!
plus!
#
12
`

The & on the right makes a single-argument function from the multiply function by fixing the right argument (currying), and the middle & composes the left function with the right function f(g(x)). The single argument then comes from the right (all single-argument functions take their arg from the right).

Nathan Merrill

2:48 AM

@BrainSteel Against atheism, but I don't believe he was christian...not sure

BrainSteel

4:51 AM

@NathanMerrill What you're describing sounds really familiar, but I can't quite put a name on the picture I have in my head...

Sieg

5:31 AM

@luserdroog Yea, I've used J. In Joe, you can fix the left argument by giving only the left argument. (Eg. 5R) Just flip if you want to fix the right argument (5~R)

Sieg

6:12 AM

And function composition is done by chaining them (;1R), although that actually is (in J terms) x;x1Ry

Optimizer

6:50 AM

gosh, someone do 1997!

Sieg

?

Sieg

7:03 AM

ECMAScript and REBOL were released in 1997 at least.

And E.

Lembik

7:32 AM

hi all

rcrmn

8:02 AM

Good day

Optimizer

8:24 AM

@Sieg ECMASCRIPT is not a language. JS was released in 96

Optimizer

8:37 AM

@MartinBüttner how are we interpolating ?

for each of the dimension (say, R , G , H, S), go from X to Y linearly ?

Sieg

9:13 AM

@Optimizer I did give two others.

Optimizer

No complaints on that

Sieg

I've seen the name ECMAScript so often that I thought it classifies as a language.

Optimizer

its a standard

for the language.

and they could not use JavaScript itself as the name is licensed and copyright-ed

Martin Büttner

10:10 AM

@Optimizer yes, linearly, and in the shorter direction along H, but I'm not longer sure it's such a good challenge

Optimizer

is it okay that I simply ask my browser to do that ? :P

Martin Büttner

can your browser do that for all the colour spaces? :P

Optimizer

if the two color spaces are consistent (RGB to RGB only and so on), I can convert to RGB/HSL

browsers support rgb(a) and hsl(a)

Martin Büttner

yeah, so it doesn't support the other 5 :P

but still, I probably would have ruled out built ins

Optimizer

wtf is XYZ ? :D

ABC, PQR, QWERTY

do they exist too ? :D

Martin Büttner

10:20 AM

CIE 1931 color space

The CIE 1931 color spaces are the first defined quantitative links between a) physical pure colors (i.e wavelengths) in the electromagnetic Visible spectrum and b) physiological perceived colors in human Color Vision. The mathematical relationships that define these color spaces are essential tools for color management. They allow one to translate different physical responses to visible radiation in color inks, illuminated displays, and recording devices such as digital cameras into a universal human color vision response. CIE 1931 RGB color space and CIE 1931 XYZ color space were created by the...

Sieg

11:04 AM

@Optimizer I've used ABCDE -keyboard

Martin Büttner

12:03 PM

@AlexA. thought you might be interested: academia.stackexchange.com/a/43316/15846

Martin Büttner

12:21 PM

@Optimizer there's your 1997

makes a JS submission a bit lame though :P

grc

@xnor congrats on reaching 10k rep!

5

Optimizer

12:36 PM

@MartinBüttner umm, y ?

oh

ECMAScript is not a language . not sure if that is a valid submission

Martin Büttner

how is it not a language?

Optimizer

its a standard, JS is the language implementing it ..

Martin Büttner

it's a language standard...

JS is one implementation. so is AS (as a superset).

ES is still a language.

Optimizer

@MartinBüttner yes, but not the language in itself. its more like W3 for HTML

Martin Büttner

if you mean W3C that's not a standard, but an organisation, which writes/publishes the HTML standard, so that doesn't really translate.

Optimizer

12:40 PM

okay, whatever they call the spec.

Martin Büttner

they call it "HTML"

Optimizer

its a bit fuzzy. let me try to find some more examples.

Martin Büttner

what particular feature of a "language" is ECMAScript missing?

Optimizer

Its a bit fuzzy because even though ECMAScript is a language that implements ECMA spec, its not used anywhere. Infact, its used as implementations like JS, AS, JSS

its like saying Ruby is a language but nobody actually writes Ruby, instead there is some language Diamond, that is an implementation of Ruby

Martin Büttner

(I think there actually is a language Diamond)

does it really matter if anyone uses the language as long as there is an implementation?

like there are tons of esolangs no one really uses, but they are still languages

Optimizer

12:49 PM

so just a spec is what is needed for a language to be complete ?

Martin Büttner

there is an implementation

you know you could still post JS... just make it more idiomatic by making it specific to Node or using jQuery

(even if that's overkill of the problems)

Optimizer

@MartinBüttner although both of them came in late 2000s

I can also probably do the ASCII N in a single chained command .

but using ES6

Nathan Merrill

1:14 PM

@BrainSteel I found it! It's so terrible: timecube.com

Nathan Merrill

1:33 PM

primaries on stack overflow are about to begin

Runer112

aditsu let me fix cjam

I've fixed like half a dozen bugs in my local copy

Nathan Merrill

is there a CJam CJam interpreter yet?

(a CJam interpreter written in CJam)

Runer112

yeah

q~

runs the program given as input :p

Lembik

1:51 PM

@orlp hi!

@orlp there are some interesting new questions on the linked SO question.

can your code refute/support them?

Martin Büttner

2:16 PM

btw, there's a new standard loophole proposal

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A: Standard "loopholes" which are no longer funny

Compressing your source code Some language provide builtin facilities to compress data and execute the result as source code. I consider this to be a standard loophole, especially when the challenge is counted in characters instead of bytes.

Optimizer

^ on similar terms, we should disallow languages which are based off on these compressions itself, like assembly, tiXX etc

oh, content of the onebox does not update

for instance, the vote count etc.

Martin Büttner

no, it never does

the conversion is just a one-time thing

BrainSteel

@NathanMerrill Yeah, that's exactly the one I was thinking of! Ah, memories.

Optimizer

@MartinBüttner an example of a built in in mathematica which would otherwise take a lot of code to implement please ?

Martin Büttner

MandelbrotSetPlot

Optimizer

2:26 PM

thanks

Martin Büttner

*Set

Runer112

@Optimizer I'm not sure how your comment relates to the issue

seems like it relates much more to meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/1078/18144

err

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A: Standard "loopholes" which are no longer funny

Using built-in functions to do the work Mathematica is a big one for this, with Fibonacci[n] to calculate the n'th Fibonacci number.... I have no objection to these being posted as a side note within the main answer though - that is interesting and helps me learn different languages capabilitie...