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01:18
@all @Alex: So here's what I got: it is clear to me that if we have cones A and B and a face $\sigma$ of their intersection, then we can find two faces f and g so that $\sigma\subseteq f\cap g$, but I am totally stumped how you would show that $f\cap g\subseteq\sigma$. The f and g that I want, fwiw, are the minimal faces in the respective cones which contain $\sigma$ (well-defined because faces are closed under intersection).
We would hope that the minimality of these faces would be good enough, but it seems to be really slippery.
 
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05:38
Didn't get to go today btw, we wil be going on (my) thursday instead.
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(also I may have rollbacked one of your edits when you started using the site, without realising it, this may or may not have happened, but if it did it was entirely an accident haha, I thought the [rollback 1 change] was that you had rollbacked a change, and wanted to see what it was, but I may have inadvertently rolled back a change haha)
07:35
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Note the link renders within here in the first change above, but it doesn't actually render in the message top right(it just shows as [here](blah)). Tell me if you want it changed to something else(I have seen people come in here numerous times, and probably don't know what it is haha)
 
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08:44
Sorry to hear that you couldn't make it.
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09:14
@SamiBrooker As soon as you make your first change on the wiki you'll probably start using it more. That would be good xD. I think there is a good amount of information on there now - I agree with Eric about using th recent changes thing, I look at it all the time just in case xD
16:44
Hello :)
hey, i'm just reading everything you all said earlier
haha lots of reading then :P
indeed, the pdf you posted
is that a pdf on polyhedral cones in general?
the one by de Loera?
yeah
16:50
I think that is just about polytopes, not sure if he talks about cones at all
hmm okay
but cones are just like polytopes
except they aren't compact
(well, and the hyperplanes need to pass through the origin, too)
hmm are they basically the fundmentals of what a polyhedra consists of?
i know polyhedra is 3-dimensions
yeah sorry
well the face of it anyway
okay, i'll add this under my pdfs that i need to go thru
16:54
polytope = high-dim polygon
i see
yeah i'm skimming through the official wiki of it right now lol
okay i'm gonna be afak for awhile
i'll still be on the chat
afk*
 
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18:01
Hey Sami
18:27
ah, sorry i keep popping in and out. i have to go take an exam but i'll probably be around in ~2 hours if anybody's still here
nbd, good luck
 
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19:51
As I suspected, my problem about faces and intersections is alleviated by going to the other definition. But I guess we would hope the definitions are equivalent :/
hmm the link should have been on "is alleviated"... too late to edit :/
 
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21:45
@jcprx: @SamiBrooker: If you could update your Wiki user page today (linked from the team page), that would be great :)
 
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22:49
@EricStucky okay, just did. i hope to update it further as the month goes by!
Hooray!
Hey, do you believe this?
If $S$ is the set of points $x\in\Bbb R^n$ such that $a_1x_1+a_2x_2+\cdots+a_nx_n\geq 0$ and $T$ is the set of points $x\in\Bbb R^m$ such that $b_1x_1+b_2x_2+\cdots+b_mx_m\geq 0$, then
$S\times T$ is the set of points $x\in\Bbb R^{n+m}$ such that $a_1x_1+\cdots+a_nx_n\geq 0$ and $b_1x_{n+1}+\cdots+b_mx_{n+m}\geq 0$
?
my gut reaction says yes
Hoop that's wrong let me edit
fix'd
22:58
altho there's one thing that's bothering me
ah hold on i have to look up the latex code for this
haha okay
why is it x_{n} and not x_{n+m} in the first inequality?
huh, this isn't the right code
Yeah its fine
you just need $s
First one first line or first one second line?
ah it's too late now
but yeah in the second line
where the result is
the idea is you're supposed to ignore the "back half" of the vector
and then the "front half" for the other inequality
23:04
ignore the back half? how come?
I mean, a stupid answer is "beacause the $a$s don't go up that high"
hmm i see
but that's pretty much my thought process there
:P
ah okay i can somewhat visualize what you're doing
the fact that $3=a+b$ implies either $a$ or $b$ equals 1 is a very frustrating part of geometry XD
talking about dimensions :P
23:07
how come it's frustrating?
Because like
If 3=2+2 then we could visualize nontrivial products of cones, that's one example.
cause 2-d cones are way more interesting than 1-d cones :/
indeed, you can visualize it and draw it even
haha you draw 1-d cones, you just don't have too many examples :P
you can?
i had no idea lol
to me 1-d is literally like one line
thinking back to calc
yep
I can draw lines :D
23:11
but a line as a cone?
yeah the line is a cone
ahhh
i see
i was thinking too literal
but i understand the conundrum now
23:15
hmm the way i'm visualizing it
is like the line passes through the top of the cone
of the 2-d cone
but then you would have to expand 3-d
then you would be able to see the "line" passing through the cone
which isn't a line but looks like a plane
i'm not sure if i'm making sense, this is all just rambling but i definitely see the conundrum
I maybe get it?
You're talking about 2D times 1D yes?
yeah
so like, you start at the origin, and go to some random point, and then "push out" of the plane in a straight line to the point in the product cone?
or not that
something like that
just thinking all the way back to my calc 2 class lol
haha, tru
23:21
dealing with planes and all
do you do calc 1 -- calc 2 -- calc 3 ?
no didn't have to do calc 3 at the time
i was a biopsych major
before a cs major
yeah lol major jump
life choices/decisions/etc
yeah I've seen a bit of that :)
23:23
i'm thinking about going back to school in the future though
to get a second degree
sure
For further study?
It seems like
you already have a job with your cs degree, so you're not getting it for resume
oh no no job yet lol
will start job hunting over winter break
haha technically not but ;)
haha i get what you're saying :)
yes you're right. i want to go back to school and do research
i'm thinking in either math or astrophysics
but i'm thinking way down the line though
i want to get more experience as a programmer for now
plus i want to pay off my loans lol
tru
I guess when I normally hear people talking about going back for more degrees (for personal fulfillment) they're talking about masters, but it probably would be hard to jump into a math/astro masters program
23:29
ah that's why i want to get my bachelor's again
seems good
yep but that's way down the line tho
honestly i'm not 100% sure yet
i just know i'll definitely be going back to school to study either of the two
Hehe well I'm sure you'll enjoy your time in industry too XD
i hope so :) maybe work for some start-ups or ibm lol
idrc i just want to code honestly
:)
You thinking tech companies though?
23:32
anywhere is fine tbh
apple, google, spotify
That's good to hear
haha those are all tech companies tho XD
ibm, or w/e it doesn't matter :)
lol
those were the ones on top of my head haha
just let me code and i'll be happy to do w/e
Yeah, it's definitely the more advertised kind of work for CS-BS
At my school, the total lack of awareness about CS jobs outside of tech companies was... staggering
Like I think that maybe, if you pressed people
they would admit, okay, yeah, probably P.F. Chang's (say) does have a lot of software engineer positions
But it was never "in the culture"
lol i know what you're talking about
everyone wants to head to silicon valley or san francisco in general
apple and google are the famous ones i hear
23:36
amongst undergrads
or even adobe
... wow I just realized that I don't know anyone who applied for a position at Adobe
bizarre
lol
it's not as popular maybe
I guess not?
code is code to me
i just want to learn more
about everything
that's great :D
23:37
which is impossible i know but
i don't care about the flashiness of the company
it can be a local restaurant on the street who needs help in maintaining their database
i'll gladly apply :)
has your class started yet?
no. it starts july 25
oh wow, that's further than I thought
I thought it was this week, at least
ah no, but i'm prepping for it
to keep my mind fresh
seems like a good plan :)
23:41
obj-c was not an easy language to digest at first
but i got the syntax down pat now
did you use a tutorial or do you have your own method for practicing? A favorite short list of simple programs?
i usually do project euler/hackerrant problems
rank*
they're very helpful
like i can't recommend them both enough to any programmer beginner or expert
ahhh for some reason I thought PE went down
I'm glad to hear it's still working
yeah they've been having some server problems lately
i guess programming interview questions are very helpful as well
they're of the same cloth as PE
well the more harder questions anyhow
Any comments on what you read (from the chat)?
[Sorry, I think my gpa's are taking me out to dinner. I'll afk in chat. I hope that Sami will be back soon, and Alex tends to get on at about 11 your time?]
[Which reminds me, is your timezone right? Sami's was not so we gotta do that again XD]

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