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and you know for as much shit as I think this book deserves for having such sloppy opening chapters
he does do a lot of examples
which is a big plus
examples are nice
yeap
Yeah I think the best course of action is to do Axler up to chapter 7 with this book open to the appropriate topic.
Axler's chapters are short
okay
alright, i'm trusting you on this
21:03
:P
Now you've got me second-guessing
hahaha noooo
they're shorter than these chapters at least :P
well, that's good
yeah it's 120 pages to get to chapter 7
and chapter 7 is better not measured in pages XD
(it's 30 but)
okay, so that shouldn't take long
from a geological time scale
21:06
:P
i don't know if you can tell by now but i'm not exactly quick
meh
it's kind of hackneyed to say it
but that doesn't matter as much
what is actually true is, it is a second-order effect compared to how much time you spend
which is itself secondary to how often your work sessions are
I mean, it's cute if you can do 10 problems in an hour long session but
it's not really as important as actually spending an hour
and far less important than spending an hour daily
mmmm okay, sure
21:14
bleh that is not the note I want to leave on
got any plans for the weekend?
not the note you want to leave on?
sorry not sure what you mean by that
haha it's just that it was pretty obvious go-get-em bs
like
not wrong
but still bs
lol aight
my weekend should be a lot of calc grading, a lot of multivar studying, a lot of polyhedral fan drawing, and idk hopefully i'll have some time to knit or something
O.O you're taking multivar?
you mean
your school is actually sensible
and puts linear algebra before multivar?
21:17
what a fucking concept
i mean, i'm taking it at a community college away from my university
but the general schedule is linear, diffeqs, multivar at my school
i believe the "off-schedule" track is multivar, linear al, diffeqs
yeah I don't think any program would be thickheaded enough to put DE before linal
which i agree doesn't make a lot of sense but with that track it's not 8 am five days a week
haha
but yeah that is the US standard I believe
your off-track
oh, really?
wild
i mean, i guess there must be people at our school doing that but i have no idea who
21:20
just makes me very angry, like "really, your students have a hard time understanding 3+ dimensions in MVC? It's almost like... there should be a course... where the whole point... was to give an intuition about higher dimensions..."
but yeah have fun with that
thanks!
is the grading moderately entertaining
i wouldn't say "entertaining" necessarily
i mean, i suppose in the sense that they're kind of a parody of math education
21:23
v.v
like, "this is what school has done to you"
I feel like I've been sheltered and don't really understand what a uni calculus class is like :P
i mean idk i get the sense that a lot of the students had, like, really anal high school math teachers who would mark them down for stupid shit so now they pay way too much attention to the stupid shit
oh, hmm
Because a lot of people talk about it like that
i feel like it's very all over the place
21:24
and I'm just like ????
i dunno, the order never made sense to me
rather, the way the material was covered
because i think they try to motivate it but it just doesn't make any sense?
like "okay let's say you're a farmer and you want to fence in your cows and you want to spend the least amount of money on the fencing" uhhhh okay sure
and related rates also
jfc related rates
like
is that actually complicated
or
i just think it's taught in a dumb way
21:27
cause I just remember it being a complete cluster
nobody had any idea wtf
like, i dunno, sometimes i just feel like we'd be better off not saying "imagine you wanted to figure out [some kind of bullshit "real world" thing]"
because, no, i don't want to figure that out, i don't fucking care
i dunno
i think it obfuscates the material behind really boring applications
i get the physics stuff
and it sucks because people who need to know physics benefit from learning calculus in a physics-y way, but
i dunno, i just found it distracting
21:29
For me I always feel weird about ragging on it because some of that can be attributed to pseudocontext but some of it is actual context but just distracting
And I don't know if the distracting is just a me thing
what do you mean?
I mean it is clear that some context is just totally irrelevant to the problem: classic "how fast is the volume of the balloon expanding when the radius is 4 in"
But a lot is more just boring
yeah
i mean, i guess for me it's that most of it is boring and i feel like i'm being... i dunno, tricked?
because i think they present it as "this is going to become a very useful skill so that's why you're gonna put the effort into learning it!" and i can't tell you how disappointed i was to realize that i didn't ride a lot of trains and train tracks aren't usually completely straight for that long and no one else i knew rode a lot of trains, and basically i was never going to need to calculate how far away i was getting from somebody else while we were both on different trains
I see what you mean
i mean, in the first place, when was i ever going to ask that question? let alone have the right conditions under which the skills i learned in calc or whatever were going to be sufficient to help me answer it?
i mean, i dunno, the fact that derivatives and whatever tell us a lot of interesting stuff is like, already cool enough for me to sit down and be willing to learn it
maybe that's not true for everyone
21:38
I mean you're right that it's very definitely not true for everyone, but fake context is fake and doesn't help them
yeah
honestly a big part of high school was realizing that "when is this information ever going to help me in life" was a useless question and i knew that i wanted to graduate so that was enough motivation to learn boring shit
or, shit that was taught poorly but might have been interesting otherwise
:P
gaww that's such an emoticon of privilege tho
cause like, to me, it's a joke
but it's not a joke
what's a joke?
"an emoticon of privilege" would be a great name for a memoir
the fact that the right way to get through high school is to realize that you just want to do better things and this is a roadblock
oh, yeah, absolutely
21:42
people are getting screwed because like... why exactly?
sometimes i think it's amazing that anyone makes it out of standard public education liking math enough to major in it
I mean, okay but
be honest
do you know any of those people?
Like
I'm willing to bet that you did MATHCOUNTS or something
or had some extracurricular
that you actually got a chance to see math
what's MATHCOUNTS?
middle school math competition
just an example
okay, sure
i dunno
i don't think we had anything like that
21:45
so why math then?
idk, i'll definitely say i got lucky
i mean, that's the thing, i feel like most people who end up majoring in math right out of high school had some kind of, like, chance encounter with good math or one of those Lifechanging Math Teachers (TM) or something like that
i definitely had good math teachers but i would say that they could've been better if they weren't kind of stuck with the lackluster curriculum
i also got to take calculus with a college professor (as opposed to AP) and i think that helped
i mean, i'm sure you'd say the same thing about getting to take ranal and absal?
well my moment was earlier
like, that's something not a lot of people even have the chance to do
yeah, for sure
okay
those were a product of what actually happened
yeah, i would imagine
i dunno, i was thinking about how funny it is that my high school had, like, this thing with the community college so that a professor would come in and teach the class every day, which was great for the Good At Math squad
but i think it's really funny because, like, i knew so many people who were just following that track because it was the natural progression and they didn't hate math, so they graduated having taken calculus, linear, and discrete math
i wasn't smart enough for the last two but i knew a lot of folks who ended up doing that
and majoring in, like, animation, english, polisci, history
anyway, irrelevant
21:51
that shit's cool tho
I think that's the real sign of a healthy math department
if you can talk about real things with nonmajors
people taking more math even when they don't have to?
yeah
Anyway bitching about HS math is a better place to leave so
haha okay
talk to ya later?
21:57
Imma afk pretty hard for a while, ping me if you got PF questions
yep :)
roger that
oh shit
I jsut realized
I haven't done the Wiki stuff yet *facepalm*
okay gotta do that
cya later
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