The Pantheon

durron597

12:06 AM

@Yannis @naltipar did you know you are both in the same city?

HDE 226868

12:20 AM

@Christofian I have another mabinogion question, if you're interested:

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Q: Why did the Lli and the Archen rivers flood, separating Ireland and Britain?

In the second branch of the Mabinogion, King Bendigeidfran and his men travel from Britain ("the Island of the Mighty", or Ynys Y Kedeirn), intent on avenging the punishment of his sister, Branwen, at the hands of the Irish (which takes place against the will of the Irish king Matholwch). It is ...

Christofian

12:59 AM

@HDE226868 maybe tomorrow

The gods discuss...

1:33 AM

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Q: What's up with this Anunnaki question?

Who were the Anunnaki according to Sumerians' tales? has been closed, re-opened, edited a lot over its life, and now has two close votes on it. It has been criticized as unclear, focusing on pseudoscience, and too broad. I suggest that, rather than have another mini debate over it, we discuss it ...

discussion specific-question

durron597

2:16 AM

@Christofian Replied

@Christofian You can't edit the focus of another person's question

@Christofian Also, chameleon questions are frowned upon on stack exchange You can't edit a question to invalidate an existing answer

Christofian

3:00 AM

@durron597 you're right, I'm sorry. I will ask a follow-up question.

durron597

@Christofian Is my edit not adequate?

Christofian

I wasn't trying to invalidate your answer, it's just that I confused it with another question I wanted to ask.

durron597

@Christofian Sure; but what are you looking for beyond "Hera is the cow goddess"?

We don't know anything about why Homer wrote what he wrote except what we can determine by reading what he wrote

Christofian

@durron597 I'm interested in why cows were sacred to Hera (I'm guessing it has something to do with Io, but I want to more about the symbolism behind cows and Hera)

usually, when gods are connected to animals, there's a deeper meaning/symbolism involved, but I could as always be wrong.

durron597

@Christofian Ah. One could also ask why Dogs were sacred to Ares, or Stags sacred to Artemis, or Eagles with Zeus

Christofian

3:05 AM

@durron597 I want to ask all of those questions too, but I know the answers for Artemis and Zeus

it has to do with the "history" of how the animal was used as a symbol in various stories

durron597

@Christofian Sure

Christofian

so basically, I'm interested in the history of cows as a symbol, and whether that connects to cows being associated with Hera

El'endia Starman

4:13 AM

Of course physics as we know it cannot allow for stopping the earth in its tracks in any way except in falling into the sun:losing radial velocity drastically. If this happened, from asteroid impact for example, there would be a lot more dire upheavals than the sun standing still , to remain as a mythic description.. — anna v 9 mins ago

@annav: Of course this event is not possible according to the laws of physics as we know it. This is Mythology.SE after all... — El'endia Starman 24 secs ago

I considered saying further that for the Joshua version, stopping the Earth's rotation for a full day with no ill effects is peanuts for a God who created the universe.

Yannis

7:45 AM

@durron597 Yes.

@HDE226868 Space aliens. That said, the current version isn't off topic. But, my downvote stands. All it takes for an answer is a quick look at Wikipedia. And if the OP wants a more thorough answer, then he should ask a better question.

fredsbend

I just watched the movie Noah tonight. I loved the first half. It was so rich with mythology and wonder. The last half was a disappointment. The plot spent most of the time wandering around a kind of mild Saw-like scenario, where .... SPOILER .... Noah believes he must kill his grandchildren because they are not meant to replenish the Earth.

@Yannis Not too good though, cuz then you don't get an answer at all.

@El'endiaStarman Should I flag those comments as not constructive?

They are effectively arguing whether a myth is possible or actually happened. Since that is off-topic the comments belong in chat, if anywhere.

Which leads to another question: Who's handling flags while we are without moderators?

I've been flagging comments and things, but I haven't noticed any of them get deleted.

@Christofian Bulls are a power symbol in nearly every culture that has bulls. The cow, on the other hand is not usually stressed to heavily.

I'm unaware of Greeks symbolizing cows at all. Did they drink cow's milk? There's certainly a lot of symbolism around milk.

Yannis

8:13 AM

@fredsbend SE's community managers. Likely, Robert Cartaino and shog9 (haven't spotted anyone else around).

@fredsbend Eh, the comments there read more like an interesting side discussion than an argument. Wouldn't bother flagging (although, technically chat would certainly be the more appropriate place for such discussions)

Yannis

9:12 AM

> -2 16 mins ago downvote

Wee! My first downvote!

Ero Sɘnnin

@Yannis Where?

Yannis

Eh, I don't think I want to point you at it, because it's a bit obvious who the downvoter is. Also, the comment discussion there isn't particularly productive, and I decided to let it die. More eyes on it wouldn't help.

Ero Sɘnnin

Lol

I was asking which post deserved the downvote

Yannis

That's what I'm answering.

The comment discussion is on the post that received the downvote. The downvoter is obvious from the discussion.

Ero Sɘnnin

9:36 AM

Ah .. okaay

Yannis

10:31 AM

-3

Q: Help me java. Help me java. Help me java

If n natural (n≥1) number and a1, a2,….an number have given, to write a program to find the amount of given order queue. How to divide 12 for 2 with its multiply to be maximum? Find the complete number till natural n has given. Find which one has more numbers has given 2 natural numbers. help ...

java

Should I migrate this here? It's clearly an incantation to the gods of Java.

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Semaphore

10:49 AM

Australian Aborigines are universally referred to as... Australian Aboriginies

I don't think the relevant tags should be using something unusual.

Semaphore

11:02 AM

Indigenous Australians is not exactly the same as Aboriginal Australians

El'endia Starman

1:42 PM

I hope my example with the flood would clarify this for you. Myths often have a sperm of reality. even current urban myths. — anna v 36 mins ago

Well, being the particular sort of Christian I am, I do believe that the sun did actually stand still as said in Joshua 10. So this myth doesn't just have "a sperm of reality"...it DID happen! But that would be taking the comment thread even further away...

Semaphore

2:20 PM

Anyone want to weigh in on the indigenous-australian tag situation?

durron597

@El'endiaStarman How do you moderate these things on Christianity.SE?

@Semaphore What's the problem exactly?

Semaphore

aboriginal is the standard term

"indigenous australian" is tecnically aboriginals + torres islanders

torres islanders are melanisian and quite different from aboriginals

but mainly, aboriginal is the common name, and i dont think we should be using an relatively unusual name for tagging

El'endia Starman

@durron597 Meaning nonconstructive comments?

Yannis

2:40 PM

@Semaphore Why not post an answer to the Meta q?

Semaphore

kinda weird because the question says we should rename it to aboriginals, which i agreed with, then somehow the end result has apparently became retagging everything to indigenous australians

durron597

@Semaphore You can totally write all that in a meta answer.

Semaphore

Okay, I'll do that; I just thought I'd see how people think first.

Young Guilo

How are we doing today?

@Yannis @durron597 @Semaphore @EveryoneElse Just wanted to say thanks for all your help and support in this Beta.

Yannis

It's us that should be thanking you @YoungGuilo. This place is turning to be a lot of fun, and it wouldn't be here if you hadn't proposed it and cared for it during the (long and cumbersome) Area51 process.

On a more personal note, thanks for that downvote. I should know better than to post lazy answers, I needed that kick in the butt.

Young Guilo

2:56 PM

@Yannis Same here

HDE 226868

I back up @Yannis's thanks, @YoungGuilo.

Mythology is an awesome site.

El'endia Starman

Agreed!

durron597

Yeah, thanks for working so hard @YoungGuilo, I know I came in really late to the proposal

Okay @YoungGuilo I removed my downvote

Semaphore

3:14 PM

i wrote up my australian proposal if anyone wants to take a look

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A: Tag rename: [australian] -> [australian-aboriginal] or [australian-aborigines]

The Aboriginal Australian people are most commonly referred to as Aboriginal Australians. We should make tags based on the more populist terminology. The term Indigenous Australian is technically correct as well, but normally includes both the Aboriginal people and the Torres Strait Islanders. Th...

Arperum

@durron597 The thing is that sometimes chat linking kinda breaks and associates everyone with their area51 account (or it did before anyway), if that happens mods lose their powers until the issue is fixed, being a room owner can be convenient at these times. Once we have Mythology mods we might want to add these to the list of room owners (assuming they aren't on it anyway)

durron597

@HDE226868 Why did you approve that hades tag wiki edit??

Oops I wrote odyssey but I meant Iliad.

mythology.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/304

Arperum

@durron597 That's a weird tag edit indeed.

durron597

@Arperum Can someone else reject it please

HDE 226868

@durron597 Oh. shoot. I had been looking through the odyssey tag just before (and the iliad tag), thinking about some edits, and I misread that. I had a second tab open, and I didn't realize. That's a huge mistake. My bad.

Yannis

3:23 PM

@Daft No, it means any children she would have had with Vulcan wouldn't be human (or half-human), as neither she nor Vulcan were human. — Yannis 18 hours ago

@durron597 In the first version of that comment, I had written Poseidon instead of Vulcan.

durron597

@Yannis I had a comment that said almost exactly the same thing but I deleted it

Because I edited the post to clarify

mythology.stackexchange.com/posts/526/revisions

Arperum

@durron597 Don't have the rep for it.

durron597

@Yannis Can you reject this edit please: It's a iliad wiki on the hades tag for some reason: mythology.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/304

@yannis Thanks

@Yannis Hmm I've been approving a lot of boring one sentence mostly meaningless tag wikis. Is that wrong?

Yannis

I've rejected the hades one, I don't see the iliad one. I may have skipped it in review.

durron597

No, it wasn't an iliad one.

It was "the person wrote something that describes the iliad under the hades tag"

Yannis

3:27 PM

@durron597 mythology.stackexchange.com/help/tag-excerpts

I'll admit I'm not entirely sure what should and shouldn't go into a tag description/wiki.

durron597

Thanks

Yannis

Also, I absolutely hate that SE's sites inherit SO's help articles.

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> POP3, SMTP, IMAP, and server software

Right, that makes a lot of sense on a site about mythology :/

El'endia Starman

@Yannis Is there a Meta.SE post about that yet?

durron597

@Yannis They should just give you your diamond and worry about the other diamonds later

May 3 at 19:32, by HDE 226868

Mod 1: Yannis. Mod 2: Yannis Sockpuppet #1. Mod 3: Yannis Sockpuppet #2.

@Yannis To be fair, that says "On ServerFault"

El'endia Starman

3:45 PM

Still, a case could probably be made that the help pages should be rewritten a bit to account for the growing non-programmer population.

durron597

6:40 PM

Is it just me or are we starting to lose steam?

El'endia Starman

@durron597 Oh, just you wait until public beta...

Have you ever participated in a private beta before?

durron597

@El'endiaStarman I'm thinking about making a post about public beta graduation

@El'endiaStarman Yeah this is my third

I'm not sure what we're waiting for as far as public beta launch

El'endia Starman

@durron597 Ah, okay, just wondering.

Yeah, I would expect graduation to be any day now.

Yannis

@durron597 If appointed moderator, I promise I'll stir up enough controversy to keep everyone interested.

durron597

@Yannis If you want to cause controversy‌, unlock this: programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/129714/…

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Q: What else do we need to do to go public?

With 8 days and almost 200 questions, with 6 users over 1000 rep and a few more that are close, what more do we need to do to go public? I noticed that we are starting to drop off in questions asked. We only have 7 open questions in the last 24 hours; voting appears to be dropping off too. I wa...

discussion beta-status

El'endia Starman

7:00 PM

@durron597 I've alerted one CM to that post in a chat room. Hopefully we'll get an answer sooner rather than later.

durron597

@El'endiaStarman TL?

El'endia Starman

@durron597 Yup.

No sign it's been seen yet.

durron597

@El'endiaStarman ok thanks

The gods discuss...

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Q: What else do we need to do to go public?

With 8 days and almost 200 questions, with 6 users over 1000 rep and a few more that are close, what more do we need to do to go public? I noticed that we are starting to drop off in questions asked. We only have 7 open questions in the last 24 hours; voting appears to be dropping off too. I wa...

discussion beta-status

El'endia Starman

@Thegodsdiscuss... Here, the user really should be "The gods beseech..." :P

durron597

7:21 PM

@El'endiaStarman We could change it

El'endia Starman

@durron597 But the change of name would really only be for this question and maybe a few others. Most of the time, "discuss" is better.

durron597

@El'endiaStarman Oh I thought you meant more generally

durron597

8:23 PM

Can someone give me one more upvote on this answer so I can propose the tag synonym after the tag rep resets

Yannis

No, absolutely not.

(but mostly because I've already upvoted the answer)

durron597

@Yannis :) @Ixrec are you around?

Ixrec

I'm here

just watching Doctor Who fight some Daleks

durron597

@Ixrec Scroll up like 5 messages please

Ixrec

upvoted

durron597

8:27 PM

@Ixrec Thanks

HDE 226868

@durron597 Excellent meta post. Not that I have an answer, though.

durron597

@HDE226868 You could nag the CMs in TL

@HDE226868 Though El'endia already did that

HDE 226868

@durron597 I'd rather not get Shog9 grumpy. We'll get there.

Yannis

@durron597 First you pick a fight with shog9. Then, you ask us to nag CMs in TL. Man, you really don't want a diamond, do you? ;P

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durron597

@Yannis You told me it was a punishment!

Yannis

8:29 PM

The ProgSE and Politics ones certainly are ;)

HDE 226868

The TL is also sorta quiet at the moment.

durron597

I bet they're still busy trying to figure out what happened with the outage and the DDoS and preventing it in the future

HDE 226868

That was really funny, I have to say.

El'endia Starman

HDE 226868

@El'endiaStarman Now I'm not sure, either.

durron597

8:40 PM

@Yannis I made kind of an aggressive edit

Perhaps not the right thing to do but without that, it's not clear why you've even brought up Tartarus to a beginner reading the question.

HDE 226868

Might furies be a better tag to have than enriyes, given that most people are most likely more familiar with the former name?

El'endia Starman

@HDE226868 furies can be synonymized to enriyes. On C.SE, we have a few tags for the proper term (e.g. eucharist) that are the synonym target of the more well-known term(s) (e.g. communion).

durron597

> "Furies" redirects here. For other uses, see Furies (disambiguation).

Wikipedia prefers Erinyes

Also, what @El'endiaStarman said.

HDE 226868

I guess we'll go with that, then.

Yannis

8:57 PM

@durron597 Good edit, thanks. I adapted it a bit to be more in line with my personal style.

durron597

@Yannis Your version is better. I was just like "Tartarus? Where did that come from?" And thought I'd edit instead of nag-comment.

Yannis

If you had commented instead of editing, I would have probably taken the easy way out and quoted wikipedia on Tartaros/Erebos. Locating the Oresteia quote was cool.

durron597

@Yannis :) thanks

@Yannis the other day you said you didn't want to mark greek and ancient-greek as synonyms. Why not? See this meta post

Yannis

What about questions about Greek folklore then? — Yannis Apr 30 at 13:15

durron597

9:12 PM

Oh I'm blind.

Ugh there's also this issue now too:

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A: Greek, Roman, and Greco-Roman tags. Are these synonyms?

I would say they should be separate tags. Greek and Roman mythology have a great deal of similarity, but they are not identical. For example, I doubt anyone thinks a question on Romulus and Remus can be legitimately tagged greek. Therefore, greek and roman are obviously not synonyms. Questions ...

Yannis

I think we should be using [ancient-greek] for anything up (and including) Hellenistic Greece, and [greek] for anything afterwards. I could live with a [greek-folklore] tag however.

durron597

We do not need to have a greco-roman tag. On StackOverflow that would be like having php-javascript

@Yannis I suspect there are many incorrectly tagged posts then.

HDE 226868

@durron597 I was wrong; I do have something to say.

Yannis

Yes, the greco-roman tag is pretty useless. If a question is truly about both cultures, use both tags. Problem solved.

durron597

@Yannis Agreed, with possibly comparative, too. But the voting on the question I just linked suggests otherwise

@HDE226868 I try to post about other mythologies but the one I knew the most about before doing research for this stack was greek.

I end up asking really basic questions like what is Morgana Le Fay's origin story.

Yannis

9:17 PM

@durron597 This will probably be the case, and it's why I'm hesitant in posting an answer. I guess a [greek-folklore] tag will be good enough when I decide to stop being lazy and actually post some questions about Greek folklore.

HDE 226868

I'll agree with the greco-roman bashing, admittedly.

@durron597 I'm fairly limited, too; answering the indigenous-australian questions required a lot of research.

durron597

Well can y'all vote on those meta answers to swing it the other way then? Because right now the community seems to be saying we should have a greco-roman tag

Semaphore

9:31 PM

unless we also want ancient-germanic, ancient-roman etc, i dont think we should use ancient-greeek

greek-folklore would work better i mo

Yannis

We'll either have ancient-germanic, ancient-greek, etc, or german-folklore, greek-folklore etc. I don't see why the first is better than the second.

There's a special place in hell for people who use code blocks for emphasis.

Young Guilo

clears throat

Hello,

I would like inform the fellow mythos lovers that I've put in my claim for moderator.

Thank You, that is all.

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Q: Who should our moderators be?

It maybe a bit early, but it is something definite to start thinking about. From the Moderator Pro Tempore blog: About a week into the public beta, we will seek out members who are deeply engaged in the community’s development; members who: Have a reasonably high reputation score t...

discussion featured moderation

durron597

@YoungGuilo "Patience is not simply the ability to wait - it's how we behave while we're waiting." - Joyce Meyer

Young Guilo

9:52 PM

@durron597 I do have to say. Nice Quote

durron597

@YoungGuilo :)

Semaphore

Hm, I'm going to edit my suggestion for greco-roman

Semaphore

10:12 PM

there:

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A: Greek, Roman, and Greco-Roman tags. Are these synonyms?

I would say they should be separate tags. Greek and Roman mythology have a great deal of similarity, but they are not identical. For example, I doubt anyone thinks a question on Romulus and Remus can be legitimately tagged greek. Therefore, greek and roman are obviously not synonyms. (edited) N...

honestly that part was more like an afterthought to objecting to making these synonyms

durron597

I'll remove my downvote but I don't see any reason to have a greco-roman tag at all

But I have to run now, would you be able to clarify why you want it?

Like, why is having greek and roman on the question insufficient?

Semaphore

i dont really want it, just making an observation that its the one case i can think of where it might be used

durron597

@Semaphore Well, the tag is gone now.

Semaphore

I struggle to really name an example, but I suppose something like the worship of heracles in Roman Germania might be considered graeco-roman without really being either greek or roman

alright.

The gods discuss...

10:28 PM

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Q: Are cryptozoology questions on-topic

In a sense, many cryptozoology stories seem to be close to mythology - some have supernatural angle (yet, admittedly, not all or even not most). And the "real, ontopic" myths themselves are full of cryptids (Nemeian Lion? Ruuh bird? Phoenix?) Should cryptozoology stories (e.g. Nessie? Yeti? Chup...

discussion scope

naltipar

10:40 PM

@HDE226868 "For questions about the Táin Bó Cúailnge, an Irish epic story making of part of the Ulster Cycle of Irish Mythology." I think you can skip repeating the name

or not/

?

HDE 226868

@naltipar I couldn't come up with a better introduction; there are other major components of the Ulster Cycle.

naltipar

Ok then.

HDE 226868

10:57 PM

@Semaphore Do you want to maybe be a bit more specific in the annunaki excerpt?

Semaphore

11:16 PM

@HDE226868 I mean, its not really a very specific term afaik

HDE 226868

@Semaphore True. I like the new version, though.

Christofian

I'm really surprised that no one commented on my answer: I did something very out-of-character in it (see if you can guess what it is): mythology.stackexchange.com/questions/545/…

HDE 226868

It's not the TVTropes link? Or is it the Wikipedia link?

This makes us collectively 0-for-3 on irish questions.

Christofian

11:35 PM

@HDE226868 the wikipedia link: if you look through my comment history, a lot of my comments are telling people to stop using wikipedia

I think it's OK in this case because I'm linking to the definition of a word, and I'm backing it up with other evidence.

HDE 226868

@Christofian It's fine here. I knew about your previous history.

Christofian

I know it's fine, I just think it's funny

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