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12:00 AM
(I feel like people are expected to be write something every day, but it takes me a while to think of questions and answers)
 
it's fine, not everyone has all day to spend on this
I've still only come up with three questions, and I don't have nearly enough time to do any answering
 
@Christofian Nice question. It's good to have some African stuff outside Egypt.
 
@HDE226868 I'm really sorry but I just love to have perfection! Luckily I have stopped my rampage.
 
@PythonMaster Eh, it's okay. We once decided to get rid of a tag on WB, but rather than have a CM blacklist it, we decided to manually remove it from all questions with it, editing other things in them as needed. There were about four of us working on 70 questions. That really messed things up,
I then spent 15 minutes bumping other questions to fix the "active" tag.
 
@HDE226868 I'm going to have a really good answer to your holy grail question: several months ago I read an entire book about the symbolism behind the holy grail, and I'm going to look at it again to see what it says
 
12:11 AM
@Christofian Awesome. I probably should start branching out from just asking questions, but I absolutely love them.
I also noticed I'm tied for the weekly rep league with Semaphore, which is rather surprising.
I'll see if I can answer your Muwindi question, though it might be difficult.
 
your arthurian questions are some of the most "expert" questions on the beta so far, so keep them coming
 
@HDE226868 I doubt I'll get an answer: there doesn't seem to be a lot written about it.
 
@Ixrec They mostly derive from reading on one in-depth site; I find the loopholes.
 
I think the answer might just be that there needed to be an obstacle for the hero to overcome (i.e. the hero's quest) for it to be a good story
 
@Christofian I'm not surprised.
Wow, you have 3 votes and 1 view.
 
12:15 AM
it's 4 votes and 1 view when you click on it
 
12:29 AM
Caching really can confuse people.
 
@PythonMaster It took me a loooong time after starting on SE to figure out what was going on.
 
First one with the Curious badge. Yay!!!!
 
I saw; congrats!
 
I thought Yannis would get it or some other high rep user. Guess I'm pretty lucky to have such an honor.
Just 149 more votes to get my next recommended badge, Civic Duty.
 
Public Service Announcement: This was just re-opened:
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Q: Is there a creature in mythology that is a frost bird or a frost phoenix?

Yann ChabotI searched a lot but I couldn't find a creature that is similar to a frost phoenix or a frost bird like «Articuno» in Pokémon, for example. It's for a project (I like to keep real mythology in my story) and I want something as close as this as possible.

 
 
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1:42 AM
@PythonMaster I'm 77 votes away. ;)
 
@HDE226868 Wow you threw that together quickly.
 
@durron597 I had seen that page before when writing up my questions, so I knew where to go.
 
@HDE226868 may I recommend that you try reading original myths rather than summaries from encyclopedias? I personally think that they're more interesting, and you can think about the author's original intent, wording, etc.
 
@HDE226868 I was looking to ask an arthurian question and I was reading her article looking to ask something more sophisticated but the Wikipedia article was really not clear on that point
 
@Christofian I've tried to find some, and I haven't had much luck, but I'm still searching. I'll keep your advice in mind.
 
1:54 AM
@HDE226868 The mabinogion is a short collection of welsh stories, some of which are versions of arthurian stories
That would be a good place to start
 
Historia is a good one too for Arthurian
 
@Christofian Ah, I think I've got some links to translations. Thanks. I liked your answer, by the way.
I'll most likely spend much of tomorrow reading bits of the Mabinogion; thanks for the recommendation. For now, regrettably, I have to go. Good night, all.
 
no problem. I would also recommend that you get a hard copy from your local library (if you have one): reading long texts on the computer isn't something I enjoy
night
 
Woo my first Nice Answer badge
 
Hey guys, I'd appreciate some feedback on a question I'm thinking of asking.
In this answer, there's this:
> during the Third Age [equivalent to the Age in which the Popol Vuh places the invention of shooting out such magical darts], the sun stood still for one full day without moving from its place;
This sounded familiar to me...
> The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day. Joshua 10:13c
 
2:05 AM
Maybe, but before you do that, I would make sure you have the full version of the myth that quote references.
 
I want to ask why these two mythologies share this detail, especially from the perspective of a mythologist.
 
My guess is that it's coincidental, and I can think of other myths where the sun/moon stops (I remember reading one myth where the greek moon goddess [Artemis or some tital] stops the moon because she sees a mortal she likes)
it's possible that the myth was influenced by christianity, but I doubt it, because it's such a specific verse in the bible (I don't think the bible is full of references to the sun stopping). My advice would be to see if you can find more evidence than the two things just being similar
(also, it's well documented that similar images show up in vastly different cultures, and it's not always because of the spreading of religions)
 
2:21 AM
I'm having difficulty finding the event in the Popol Vuh. I'll ask a question about THAT first.
 
 
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4:43 AM
Aaaand daily vote limit reached. Again. [sigh] Time to wait 19 hours...
 
5:04 AM
lol pace yourself!
 
@Semaphore I tried to!
I mean, I did significantly better than last night, where I ran out of votes 22 hours before the end of the SE server day...
 
xD
 
5:39 AM
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Q: Tag rename: [australian] -> [australian-aboriginal] or [australian-aborigines]

RobotnikCurrently, the 'australian' tag is used to represent the Australian Aboriginal Dreamtime stories. However these stories aren't 'Australian' in terms of the current country & the culture introduced by Britain's subsequent settlement. Just as Roman myths and legends are known as roman and not ital...

 
 
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7:33 AM
> -5 removed User was removed
Who rage-quitted?
 
7:55 AM
@YannisRizos Me! Me! Oh wait, no. Not me!
 
 
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12:50 PM
@Christofian It's 100% correct to have a high standard for questions to ask. We are trying to generate a base of quality content, not just any content.
 
1:47 PM
@Yannis Not necessarily a rage quit. Could have been an account deletion.
Oh, and @Semaphore, I want to upvote your answer to my question but I can't! :'(
Be assured, however, that I will upvote it in about 10 hours. :P
 
haha no worries. thanks
 
2:05 PM
@El'endiaStarman Sure, I have no reason to believe rage was involved. Still, an account deletion in private beta is bizarre.
 
@durron597 so what should be done ? mythology.stackexchange.com/questions/140/…
 
@EroSɘnnin I'm discussing this in The Whiteboard right now
 
ah okay
 
More generally about off site duplicates
Basically they are telling me that I can base my answer off of that answer, but, honestly, I have nothing else to say beyond that answer
I could copy paste it to vampire rep, but meh.
 
lol
 
2:10 PM
@EroSɘnnin I had started to search around to find answers, until I realized that everything I had found was all in that one answer.
 
When off-site dup comes to movies.se , the answers are usually based entirely off the original
@durron597 Yeaah. I've gone through that answer. It hits all the points
 
@durron597 Community wiki prevents you to vampire rep. And still exists (partly) for that reason.
 
@Arperum Oh, of course.
There we go @EroSɘnnin How's that.
 
@durron597 Thats good :)
but Short answer: Color signifies the property of the God's character.
isn't what I was asking for :P
 
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A: What should I do if a question is an exact duplicate of a question on another stack?

durron597Link to the other question with a community wiki answer. Also, write a short summary of the other site's answer in case the link happens to break for some reason. This: Allows the question asker to get the information they are looking for Has no risk of receiving reputation for another's work...

@EroSɘnnin How's that?
 
2:23 PM
@durron597 Thoughtful and useful ^_^
 
@EroSɘnnin I meant, does my edit answer your question now?
 
Oh I thought you were talking about the meta post
@durron597 Now it does
 
@EroSɘnnin Ok, so obviously my MSE question was a dupe.
I've reposted my answer here:
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A: What to do with cross-site duplicates?

durron597Link to the other question with a community wiki answer. Also, it could be good to include the full text of the post in block quotes (using >), and linking to the other author's profile on the other stack. This: Allows the question asker to get the information they are looking for Has no risk...

 
@durron597 Lol yeah I was reading it while it got closed. Ironic in some way :P
 
@EroSɘnnin Yeah :)
 
2:32 PM
@Yannis That's true.
Hey guys, I'm thinking of asking a question about the chronology of the sun standing still in Toltec and Judeo-Christian mythologies. Basically, do they happen in about the same year? I'm not sure if you guys would consider that to be on-topic though. (The answer is, incidentally, no. They're about 1350 years apart.)
@durron597, @Semaphore, @EroSɘnnin ^^^
 
2:47 PM
@El'endiaStarman I think it's on topic
Early on, err on the side of more things being on topic.
@EroSɘnnin I think you should edit the senshin nomination into something like "senshin declined the nomination - removed"
 
@El'endiaStarman I like it.
 
3:33 PM
@El'endiaStarman That will be a really good post :D
@durron597 Umm .. do you have any examples?
I've never seen any declined nom posts
 
@EroSɘnnin I guess it doesn't matter that much.
 
soo .. no need to update the post?
 
Hmm .. senshin's comment is still there .. So, I guess there's no need for edit
gtg .. l8r
 
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Q: Should we stop tagging by country?

HDE 226868This is related to Tag rename: [australian] -> [australian-aboriginal] or [australian-aborigines], which I saw just before I posted this. Currently, we have a number of tags that focus on the mythology of a specific country: chinese japanese welsh irish british There are two issues I see wit...

 
4:20 PM
Why is this getting reopen votes? (cc: @Yannis)
 
I think that one is more downvote worthy than it is off topic.
 
@Yannis It's a list question.
 
Also, not really too broad. The answer is Ganymede.
Every question is a list question.
(don't they all call for a list of answers?)
 
@Yannis mmmmm
I see what you're saying, I think there is a line I just can't put it into words right now.
 
I think what we have here is more a case of "oh, I don't like downvoting, but this is crap, so I'll vote to close it instead".
 
4:27 PM
@Yannis Well, I downvoted it and voted to delete it.
I'm also out of votes today.
 
Ero Sɘnnin has been automatically appointed as owner of this room. (What does this mean?)
 
> If a reasonably active room has no owner, or none of the owners have been in the room for a certain time, a new owner may be automatically appointed, to ensure that there's somebody who can administrate.
Stupid bot, this room is full of blue.
Not that I mind @EroSɘnnin being a room owner.
 
4:51 PM
@Yannis Note to self, if you want to get made a pro-tem mod, don't pick a fight with a community manager
 
@durron597 Actually, that's the fastest way to get yourself a diamond. You know the diamond is punishment, right?
 
@Yannis Ha!
 
5:09 PM
 
@EroSɘnnin Could you put my name in italics as well, sir?
 
Thanks
 
Prob should hit Semaphore and naltipar too. I'm not sure blue names need to be made room owners
 
5:15 PM
doing
 
@durron597 so kick out exclude Yannis ?
 
@EroSɘnnin I wouldn't worry about it. It likely doesn't matter either way.
 
lol
Okayz
 
Specifically I was thinking that it wasn't necessary to take the time to add El'endia, HDE, senshin, etc. because they wouldn't gain any new privileges
 
5:19 PM
Yeah mod powers works everywhere
 
5:31 PM
A sign that questions are wanted:
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@HDE226868 Wow, that's today? Randall Munroe must be here incognito.
 
5:46 PM
For enhanced visibility of pinned posts and images, try this --> stackapps.com/questions/6236/chat-starred-images-expander
 
5:57 PM
Umm .. what to do about this ?
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Q: Did Zeus have any male lovers?

JodyMany of the Greek gods were bisexual. Did Zeus have any male lovers?

 
@EroSɘnnin I voted to delete it.
 
one more vote and it either gets deleted or reopened
 
Guess what the first link that appears when you type "zeus male lover" into google is?
 
whups
 
This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful. Two out of three is pretty bad in my book.
 
6:00 PM
thought I was in the other room
 
i hate such questions
 
It's also a list question.
@Yannis and I were talking about it earlier
 
Its a list question. Too many possible answers. Easily google-able
But doesn't mean we have to delete it right now
It could stay for a while as an example question
 
Can someone (>750 rep) check the suggested edits queue and tell me if a tag excerpt edit is in there? I submitted one, but in theory I can do it without other approval . . . but nothing happened.
 
I can see one
 
6:04 PM
@HDE226868 Which wiki
 
@EroSɘnnin Easily google-able is a reason to downvote it, not close it.
 
@naltipar and I have 10k tools we can see all the history
 
@durron597 .
 
@Yannis Too broad is a reason to close it :P
 
@HDE226868 It's not in the history.
 
6:04 PM
Ah, approved. Thanks. Still an odd glitch, unless the privilege isn't for tag excerpts.
 
It's not a glitch
The privilege is that you can approve or reject tags.
 
Ah, they got it. Weird, I had a 1 there but I didn't get it.
 
Not that you can edit tags without someone else reviewing it first.
 
It says tag wiki edits, I swear.
"Approve Tag Wiki Edits"
 
Maybe naltipar and Ero locked it
 
6:06 PM
I have approved the edit.
 
Same
 
I saw.
 
"Users with the privilege to vote on tag wikis will start seeing them appear randomly between other posts in the Suggested Edits review task. You can also visit the tag wiki page itself and click on the edit links (similar to a regular post with a suggested edit pending on it) to view the suggestion and vote on it from there."
About the question, I don't like questions like "Please list all male lovers", I don't mind that it's a list question actually, it's just a question that leads nowhere and has no other meaning.
 
@naltipar Yeah. There's nothing of a good value to that question. It's just asking for names
 
Jody has made another similar question:
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Q: How many sons did Zeus father through mortal women

JodyHereacles and Perseus were two well known sons of Zeus. How many other male offspring did Zeus father by human women? Included names should be sourced back only to Zeus, no "of uncertain parentage" folks included please.

 
6:11 PM
@EroSɘnnin Sure, if you feel it's too broad, vote to close it. Just don't vote to close instead of downvoting, is all I'm saying.
 
Jody has asked lots of bad questions. I hadn't seen that one yet, but I would downvote it too if I weren't out.
 
@Yannis It's already closed.
The issue is with reopening or deletion
 
@Yannis He's talking about the fact that it has 4 reopen votes.
 
I think gaining rep was his motive.
Because these questions came one after another, while there's a wikipedia page that lists everything about Zeus. You can't miss that.
 
IMO, its should remain closed, but not deleted. For now.
 
6:13 PM
Isn't rep everyone's motive?
 
@Yannis No .. :P
 
I think Jody had a good motive that I appreciate: the attempt to add content to a totally empty stack.
The problem is there was little to no quality control, and that's the part that I think all of us disagree with.
 
Rep might be a motive, but spamming questions just to get +5 isn't going to lead anywhere.
 
Most of those questions were added on April 28.
 
Eh, "spamming questions" is a bit harsh.
That said, I've downvoted almost every question on the site that would be sufficiently answered by a quick look at wikipedia.
I can't blame Jody for continuing to post (what I think are) low quality questions. They were getting upvoted (~ the community welcomed them), why stop?
Only 3 out of his (hers?) 13 questions have a negative score. The feedback seems to be: "We like your questions, keep 'em coming".
 
6:20 PM
Yes, sadly.
 
Perhaps Vote Early, Vote Often has backfired a little?
 
No, people are always too quick to upvote during the early days.
 
@Yannis truth
 
It's understandable really, we aren't yet bored of seeing the same crap every day. Well, I am, but not on this site.
 
this chat sounds much more negative than it did yesterday
 
6:24 PM
It all went downhill once @EroSɘnnin became room owner. ;P
 
Eh, it's just a subject change. I don't think any of us are unhappy with how the site is going
 
Muhahaha
 
I guess I didn't scroll up far enough to see past the "how many times did Zeus do X" questions
 
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Mythologymythology.stackexchange.com

Beta Q&A site for enthusiasts and scholars of mythology.

Currently in private beta.

 
This is my third early beta, after Workplace and Politics. I'm way more satisfied with it than I was with either one.
 
6:26 PM
those two are kinda guaranteed to have difficulty from the start though
if this one wasn't any smoother that'd be really worrying
 
I got bored of vi/vim very quickly.
Puzzles was great in private beta but as soon as it opened up to the internet, it got flooded with "solve my crappy riddle" and I couldn't stand it anymore.
 
Puzzles is a good example of a site that works best via the HNQ sidebar
 
@Ixrec Why, because there's so much garbage content?
 
that's one way of putting it
 
There's atleast 2 questions I can answer easily. But I'm feeling so lazy >.<
already
 
6:29 PM
@EroSɘnnin On puzzling? or here
 
Here ofc
 
Ughhh reopening clears delete votes?
 
@durron597 Yeah. The Q needs to be closed for deletion. Since there are no mods/ high rep users now
 
at the risk of annoying everyone, I think "did Zeus have any male lovers" is actually okay
not good, but okay
 
On the bright side, my delete vote was refunded.
 
6:31 PM
though it got an answer already so it probably doesn't matter anymore
 
@durron597 chill. I got this
 
@EroSɘnnin Wow, I spent some time seaching for that today too
Nice find. I only found Articuno (Pokemon) and Cryophoenix (LoL)
 
Lol
I almost missed it
 
And then stuff like Odin's Ravens (wrong) and this myth
 
Lol Odin's ravens?
 
I'm just saying what my searching turned up. Notice I didn't answer the question
 
7:02 PM
Yeah its empty. Better go fill it up
 
7:44 PM
Okay, answered two 0 answer questions. Back to work
 
I better go sleep
Its almost 2AM here
 
 
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9:51 PM
@Christofian I guess you're my one upvote then on the monomyth question.
 
10:34 PM
@durron597 wow, my answer had a lot of typos. I guess that's what happens when you write fast
 
@Christofian heehee. Actually I've kinda been looking for posts to edit.
But generally speaking posts have been really good across the board.
 
@durron597 Yes indeed. This Beta has been going quite well.
 
@Christofian Nice answer for Pwyll; +1. It's sort of embarrassing that I didn't figure it out; I had read through some of the footnotes, but I mainly focused on those at the end, and I don't know if I would have figured this out. Thanks.
 
@HDE226868 it's fine, it was a good question because it gets at the meaning of the story
I didn't need the footnotes: when you read a lot of myths you start to see common themes.
 
@El'endiaStarman Our Area 51 stats are really good for a private beta too
 
10:43 PM
@HDE226868 I hope you see why I'm encoradging people to read translations of myths
 
are Pwyll and Pwynn two different characters? I got a bit confused reading that answer
 
@Ixrec sorry, it was a typo in the question, and I copied that typo over to my answer, so I used Pwynn four or five times (I should have said Pwyll).
fixed
 
no problem
 
@Christofian I absolutely see.
@Ixrec Thanks for seeing the typo in the question. @Christofian Thanks for fixing it. As you can imagine, I am not Welsh.
 
@HDE226868 It happened so many times part of me wondered if it was some funky two-valid-spellings rule in Welsh
 
10:56 PM
What's up with this question? Closed, re-opened, now with another close vote and in the queue.
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Q: Who were the Anunnaki according to Sumerians' tales?

kenorbWho were the Anunnaki? Were they gods, demigods or different race? And what was their role? How do we tell who they were?

@Ixrec I'm just getting used to the names.
 
that is a weird one, the comment link to "mythology-related pseudo-science" doesn't make sense to me at all
without knowing any sumerian myths, my guess would be it's a "go read the wiki" question deserving of a downvote but not a close vote
 

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