ELL's Cabin

Færd

03:15

@CowperKettle Yes. The other one (angles) suggests it more strongly.

> If a right line standing upon a right line makes angles, these angles Jhall either bi two right angles, or [both together] equal to two right angles. (1765)

Damkerng T.

@Færd It's shall either be. -- An OCR error, perhaps?

Færd

@DamkerngT. Yes. I just copy-pasted it from the Google Books search page.

> If it be let down perpendicularly, then the two angles are right angles, and consequently they are equal (pretty old... :)

Damkerng T.

nods -- I wonder how many invalid words we have in Google Ngram.

Færd

> But a straight line is at right angles to a plane when it makes right angles with every straight line which meets it in that plane

@DamkerngT. Yeah. See this: english.stackexchange.com/questions/39751/…

Damkerng T.

Haha!

Færd

03:21

They have probably fixed some of the problems though.

Damkerng T.

Thanks for sharing!

nods

Færd

I’m glad to see that they now recognize ſ U+017F LATIN SMALL LETTER LONG S as an alias of the regular round s, although that does mean you can no longer search for it separately. But I’m quite displeased with their lame scan of Sir Frederick Madden’s translation of Laȝamon’s Brut, as it (next to) never correctly processes any of the thorns, yoghs, or eths. — tchrist Dec 3 '12 at 13:37

Although I don't know what the problem had been, exactly!

Damkerng T.

It's a black box, so I guess no one outside Google really knows.

CowperKettle

03:46

@Færd Thanks!

Good morning Fard, Dam (and Katya)

Damkerng T.

04:01

Morning!

Rocky

08:36

@Usernew @Usernew Please tell me what is burning in this sentence participle or adjective " this thing is very good for burning woods".

Usernew

09:05

@Rocky Verb

I will try to explain how

in very simple terms

it is telling us that some particular thing is good for doing something, i.e. burning the material wood.

let's think of some material that is good to bring down fire

in that case, it would be present participle

I am not 100% certain, so let's see what others have to say about this.

@DamkerngT. A little help here

Damkerng T.

I think you get the general idea right.

Usernew

me or him?

of course me

Damkerng T.

You

Usernew

lol

Damkerng T.

:D

Usernew

09:17

it was confusing :(

How are ya?

Damkerng T.

I think we'd say that participles are verbs.

Usernew

of course :(

Damkerng T.

@Usernew Good, thanks! How are you?

Usernew

same

but how would you explain that?

just present participle?

:D

Damkerng T.

Because the forms of participles and -ing adjectives are the same, we have to rely on meaning.

Usernew

09:19

that's why it's confusing

Damkerng T.

This thing is very good for burning woods. (It should be wood, BTW.)

Usernew

but wood itself is good for burning @_@

Damkerng T.

I think it makes more sense to think of something that's used for burning some wood.

Rather than some "burning wood".

Usernew

hmmm

@DamkerngT. Please tell me what is "burning" in this sentence participle or adjective " this thing is very good for burning woods".

can you please explain it in easy terms so that he understand it well?

Damkerng T.

Erm, I think I've just explained that.

Usernew

09:23

o/ @V.V.

where? :D

Damkerng T.

The two messages before my last.

Usernew

in simplest term: It is used as a verb?

instead of adjective

Damkerng T.

That's not the right question.

Usernew

which one?

Damkerng T.

The right question is: what does it mean?

Usernew

09:25

m just getting confused

whose question?

which question?

Damkerng T.

1 min ago, by Usernew

in simplest term: It is used as a verb?

Usernew

okay

what does it mean?

Damkerng T.

You repeated Rocky's question that way.

@Usernew That's not for me to say.

Usernew

hmm

m just getting tangled

Damkerng T.

See, one common problem many learners have is they think that a sentence should mean something on its own.

Usernew

09:28

so, he asked me 'burning in this sentence participle or adjective " this thing is very good for burning woods".'

right :(

Damkerng T.

But the reality is, we can't really assign any meaning to a sentence without context.

Usernew

yes

and I think I explained that?

Damkerng T.

What do you mean?

You've explained that to Rocky?

Usernew

24 mins ago, by Usernew

@Rocky Verb

duh

all that

Damkerng T.

More or less.

Why? Because it makes more sense to read it as a verb.

Usernew

09:30

Yes.

Damkerng T.

In other words, a context that allows us to read it that way is more likely.

Usernew

he is trapped in a burning house here, "burning" is PP used as an adjective

Damkerng T.

Yes.

Usernew

that was meant for rocky :( :D

:P

don't dwell too much into technical stuff, else you would just get more confused. Just get the basic/general idea. Read, Read, Read, Read, Read, Read, and most importantly, listen. @Rocky

he is trapped in a burning house Here, "burning" is PP used as an adjective @Rocky

@DamkerngT. You should stick guns in both of your hands.

Damkerng T.

I don't use guns. :P

Usernew

09:34

but if you want to ask about anything here, ask again. Nobody is stopping you :) @Rocky

you don't have to use them. They would look kool on your avatar!

Damkerng T.

Hah!

But I want to be friendly!

Usernew

use the bang bang guns!

Damkerng T.

Haha!

My hands are saying "Hello!", actually.

Usernew

really?

I didn't hear them :(

Damkerng T.

Ah, you can't hear that because it's in a sign language!

Usernew

09:43

any experience with pigeons?

@DamkerngT. that's absolutely correct!

Damkerng T.

@Usernew Sometimes :-)

Usernew

and Crows?

Damkerng T.

Oohhh! Not crows!

Crows are bad luck over here.

Usernew

same here

but I've read this interesting piece about crows that they present you with gifts, from tooth to nuts and bolts, when you care for them :D

a piece of cloth

anything they can grab and lift

Damkerng T.

Hah!

Usernew

09:48

one lady lost her camera lens cap and a crow which she used to feed found it and washed it in water before returning it to her.

and I was like @_@

Damkerng T.

They even washed it first!

That's incredible!

Usernew

yes, the crow dipped it in water to clean it and returned it :O

magnificent creatures!

too bad they are bad luck over there and here :(

Damkerng T.

A headline from 2029: Robots are on strike! People prefer crows to robots!

Usernew

haha!

:D

Damkerng T.

Hee

Usernew

09:52

there is a word

I forgot it

read it on wikipedia

Damkerng T.

I'm afraid I can't help much, then!

Usernew

it's a single or maybe two words that describes people who got famous after their death.

something like that

Damkerng T.

Hmm... is it something posthumous?

Usernew

probably

how do you pronounce Porsche?

I think "posthumous" that was.

Damkerng T.

@Usernew One syllable.

Usernew

09:57

at the end

it is "Sha" or "shey"?

Damkerng T.

Neither. It's more like "porsh".

Usernew

thanks (for the word)

hmm

interesting!

Damkerng T.

@Usernew No problem.

Usernew

I say "porsh" but someone told me it is "porSha"

another time I was told it is "por+SHEY"

Damkerng T.

I guess it depends on where you are.

Another problematic name is IKEA.

Some people read it as "eye-kia", some "ee-kia".

Usernew

10:01

right

and ASUS

Damkerng T.

Haha! I feel funny every time I read that name. :-)

Usernew

I am like, did they intentionally put "U" between the two "s"?

everyone seems to pronounce it in a new and different way

Damkerng T.

I was informed that the name is supposed to sound like "uh-SUS" (SUS rhymes with "put").

Usernew

Correct!

Damkerng T.

But I'm stuck with my first impression, which is "ASSes"! :P

Usernew

10:04

haha!

:D

have you head the Italian joke?

it's all about bad English

Damkerng T.

Oh, what is it?

Usernew

The italian joke - subtitles - www.abitofenglish.com

►

Damkerng T.

Haha!

Usernew

:D

Android, Windows, or iOS?

Damkerng T.

Any of them is okay, I think.

Usernew

10:09

which one do you got?

Damkerng T.

Um, all of them. But no Windows phone.

Usernew

In India, everybody mispronounces the word "plumber"

they pronounce "b" which is silent

Damkerng T.

nods -- Quite understandable.

Usernew

and even "tuition"

they don't pronounce "i" after "u"

and I am not talking about random people, you know, I am talking about people who graduate from the top universities

Damkerng T.

But it's really hard to guess how we should pronounce an English word.

in Language Overflow, Apr 27 at 7:39, by Damkerng T.

TIL Featheringstonehaugh is pronounced "fanshaw"!

Usernew

10:12

ha!

Damkerng T.

I really have no idea why Featheringstonehaugh is pronounced "fanshaw"!

Usernew

same here

It's like some English professors just decided to have fun

Damkerng T.

Probably!

Usernew

boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=12434

Damkerng T.

"Wooster for Worcestershire" -- Hah!

Usernew

10:14

:D

some people get offended

when their names are not pronounced correctly

Damkerng T.

Oh, how so?

A-ha! Yes.

Usernew

like we are supposed to know how they are pronounced.

that's one downside of having too many languages

Damkerng T.

Well, why do you think I usually write my last name as T.? :-)

Usernew

Haha! :D

India has 22 official languages. According to Census of India, the total number of mother tongues spoken in India is 1652. However, only around 150 languages have a sizable speaking population. The Indian census of 1961 recognised 1,652 different languages in India (including languages not native to the subcontinent).

3

now, that might be a fact

interesting to some folks

Damkerng T.

That's a lot of languages!

Usernew

10:17

but actually it's a one big downside

Yes! Like, when I moved down to South India, I felt like I was in different country

we had huge problem communicating

sign language came in handy :D

Damkerng T.

Oh, so the languages aren't close enough that you can guess most words?

Usernew

not at all.

except a few

and by few, I mean very few

Damkerng T.

nods

Usernew

another weird example

We call "gol gappe" in Hindi in north region.

Damkerng T.

What does it mean?

Usernew

10:20

if you move to middle region

it's a snack

:D

Damkerng T.

Oh! Like, a cobra? -- Oh, I see!

Looks delicious!

Usernew

but in Maharashtra, it is called "Pani Puri"

and a user here, MaulikV, had some kind of trouble when he came to north

Damkerng T.

Is "Pani Puri" in Hindi, too?

Usernew

that's hindi

both in Hindi.

Damkerng T.

But with different names! Sounds like fun!

Usernew

10:23

but they are called differently depending on region

yeah :D

It's a refreshing street snack

So, this is one big downside of having different languages. But fun in another sense :)

Damkerng T.

nods -- Embracing the variety!

Usernew

yes!

oh

is alcohol an imp ingredient in chocolate there?

Damkerng T.

Hmm... not really.

Usernew

actually my brother-in-law's father went to Bangkok last year and he got some chocolates which had alcohol in it :D

Damkerng T.

Oh! Perhaps it's imported.

Usernew

10:28

as far as I remember, it was from Bangkok :)

Damkerng T.

If you told me that you found such chocolate in Bangkok, I'd guess that it was imported from America.

Usernew

very few people know the full name of Bangkok: Krung Thep Mahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Ayuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Piman Awatan Sathit Sakkathattiya Witsanukam Prasit

hmm

Damkerng T.

@Usernew Hehe!

Usernew

Too bad I don't remember it well :(

you knew that?

:D

Damkerng T.

Yes. It's a rhyme.

It's a song, even!

Usernew

10:29

oh, so it's easy to remember?

Damkerng T.

nods

Usernew

great! :D

Damkerng T.

กรุงเทพมหานคร - อัสนี วสันต์ - โชติกุล

►

The lyrics start at 1:04.

Usernew

yes, but understood nothing :(

Damkerng T.

LOL -- I think there's a translation in Wikipedia.

Usernew

10:32

I will check that out

Damkerng T.

> City of angels, great city of immortals, magnificent city of the nine gems, seat of the king, city of royal palaces, home of gods incarnate, erected by Vishvakarman at Indra's behest.

Usernew

(the city of angels, the great city, the eternal jewel city, the impregnable city of God Indra, the grand capital of the world endowed with nine precious gems, the happy city, abounding in an enormous Royal Palace that resembles the heavenly abode where reigns the reincarnated god, a city given by Indra and built by Vishnukam)

Damkerng T.

nods -- more or less

Usernew

hmm

Very interesting

and hey! GBWR

Damkerng T.

All are Pali-Sanskrit, if I'm not mistaken.

Usernew

10:34

Yes, I guess so

Damkerng T.

@Usernew GBWR?

Usernew

guinness book of world records

:)

Damkerng T.

Ohhh, I seee!

Usernew

for the longest name

song is nice

Damkerng T.

nods -- There are a couple versions. I like this one best. :-)

Usernew

10:36

great

there are island in Indonesia? Java?

Damkerng T.

Indonesia has many islands!

Usernew

I thought there were only two :(

I mean populated

Damkerng T.

Indonesia is the pink one.

Usernew

hmm

that's too many

what do they do with all of 'em? :D

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

Usernew

10:40

you should see flight of the phoenix

saw it yesterday

it's more like a survival guide

Damkerng T.

The movie? I've watched it a couple times.

Usernew

Great :D

the old one or the new one?

Damkerng T.

I like it that the toy plane designer made it.

Oh, hmm... is there a new one?

Usernew

that even better :)

cz new one is not that good

Damkerng T.

Oh, I think I watched the 2004 one.

Usernew

10:41

I was laughing when I found out he was a toy plane designer

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

Usernew

I saw this one: imdb.com/title/tt0059183

Damkerng T.

Nice! It has even more stars on IMDb!

Usernew

yes :)

it's a rare movie

Damkerng T.

nods -- I have never seen that one.

Usernew

10:43

should see this one

imdb.com/title/tt0103767

and this one, too
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0770802/?ref_=tt_rec_tt

just moving pictures, but great :D

I have to go now

thanks or your time

Damkerng T.

Ah, I haven't watched either of them.

Usernew

have a nice day o/

you should at least watch one :)

Damkerng T.

But Naqoyqatsi is good! -- Have a nice day!

Usernew

if you have time for just one :)

will check that out :)

o/

Damkerng T.

o/

Samsara sounds familiar.

PhMgBr

10:46

@DamkerngT. Like, two names

Damkerng T.

Two names?

BTW, hello!

PhMgBr

@DamkerngT. SamSara

Damkerng T.

Hmm... not sure!

Damkerng T.

10:58

Oh, hi! @J.R.

J.R.

Would you mind if I said, "Good morning!" in reply? (I have no idea what time of day it is where you are.)

Damkerng T.

Good morning!

Actually, it's in the evening at my place, but I've learned from some folks on the web that we should say "Good morning!" in chat, no matter what local time of a user is. :D

J.R.

You could say "Good evening" back to my "Good morning"

Damkerng T.

I see!

PhMgBr

I chat!

J.R.

11:04

I think chatting with people so far away is....

Damkerng T.

BTW, the concept is called Universal Greeting Time. (It took me a while to recall its name.)

PhMgBr

@J.R. is incorrect ellipsisses?

J.R.

(now I'm feeling like I need to make a single-word-request)

PhMgBr

@DamkerngT. Wait, that is a thing?

I thought you were being playful.

Damkerng T.

@PhMgBr To some folks, perhaps.

J.R.

11:05

@PhMgBr It appears to be a thing. See total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html

But there's something rather extraordinary about being able to communicate instantly with someone on the other side of the planet.

Damkerng T.

Very true indeed!

PhMgBr

Yeah.

J.R.

(I don't know if extraordinary is the best word for it, but that's the best I can muster at the moment)

PhMgBr

Like feeling sleepy.

@J.R. Those moments when your words finish. I know how it feels

J.R.

To think that someone couldn't be any further away from you, yet you can exchange ideas with them instantly.

For most of human history, it would take six months just to exchange pleasantries.

Damkerng T.

11:09

It's almost magical!

J.R.

But now it's an everyday event.

mind-boggling, really.

PhMgBr

@DamkerngT. I bet people 100 years ago do think of our lives today as magix.

@J.R. And normal af

I don't feel I'm doing something special.

Chatting with a guy from the land of Thai, and a bitten orange.

Damkerng T.

LOL

J.R.

Yes, that's exactly what I mean. It's mind-boggling at a psychological level because it's become some an ordinary thing.

PhMgBr

Could you imagine what would lives be like 100 years later?

Damkerng T.

11:12

Oh, tomorrow is not Labor Day in the US!

PhMgBr

@DamkerngT. It's also not Thanksgiving.

Right?

Damkerng T.

No, it's not!

Is it Labor Day in Iran tomorrow?

PhMgBr

Good. Phew.

@DamkerngT. Yeah. It's "teachers day".

Damkerng T.

Teachers Day? Interesting name!

J.R.

Growing up, if I wanted to communicate with a friend on the other side of the world, I had two choices: We could write (which took a week or more to get there, even with air mail), or we could use a telephone (which was too cost prohibitive to do frequently)

PhMgBr

11:15

@J.R. I'll be saying this sentence to my children in 30 years.

J.R.

Now I can chat or Skype for free.

PhMgBr

Eh, I think Skype's paid here.

J.R.

Still, not as much as those phone calls used to cost, I don't think!

Anyway, sorry my time is so short, but I have a busy day ahead today. Can't stay long.

Thanks for the friendly greeting, but it's time for me to say "Good night!" (UGT)

:-)

Damkerng T.

Have a nice busy day, and good night!

:P

PhMgBr

@J.R. Night

Don't let the phone cables bite

Anonymous

13:19

@Usernew Here in the U.S., I've heard /pɔrʃ/ "porsh" and /ˈpɔrʃə/ "por-shuh". I think /pɔrʃeɪ/ "por-shey" would sound very strange.

Anonymous

British English /pɔːʃ/ "porsh" and /ˈpɔːʃə/

Anonymous

The Longman Pronunciation dictionary gives BrE /pɔːʃ/ and /ˈpɔːʃə/, along with AmE /pɔːrʃ/, /ˈpɔːrʃə/, and /ˈpɔːrʃi/. I've never heard the last one.

Anonymous

The LPD puts long vowel markers in both AmE and BrE transcriptions, as you can see.

Anonymous

The LPD also gives the German pronunciation, [ˈpɔʁʃə].

Anonymous

The biggest difference there being the special R sound. Well, "special" from an English speaker's perspective.

Anonymous

13:26

Voiced uvular fricative

The voiced uvular fricative or approximant is a type of consonantal sound, used in some spoken languages. The symbol in the International Phonetic Alphabet that represents this sound is ⟨ʁ⟩, an inverted small uppercase letter ⟨ʀ⟩, or in broad transcription ⟨ɣ⟩ or (if rhotic) ⟨r⟩. This consonant is one of several collectively called guttural R when found in European languages. Because the IPA symbol stands for both the uvular fricative and the uvular approximant, the fricative nature of this sound may be specified by adding the uptack to the letter: ⟨ʁ̝⟩. The approximant can be specified by adding...

PhMgBr

21:15

Yo @Nat

StackExchange

21:37

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Q: Is learning a useful tag?

There are 58 questions that are actually using learning, which puzzles me a bit. Is the tag even useful? If it says something, it tells me users are asking a question because they are learning English, which seems obvious since the site is English Language Learners. Plus, I don't see any differe...

Nathan Tuggy

@PhMgBr Oh, hey :)

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